acha cha fruit seeds

Violet_Cactus says...
Lucky you, Murray. Here in Victoria we can't grow those delicious fruits. Next time we visit Queensland I will look out for them!

Violet_Cactus says...
Thank you, Jess! :)

I've just Googled and found the exact location: John Alexander Ent. Filipino Sari-Sari Store, 27 Leeds St. Footscray (03) 9687 5229

Michael says...
You need to have bought Achacha for $10+ a kilo to experience the excellent taste. When they go a bit softer and the back spots starts appearing on the skin they sell for $6 -$ 8 . The fruit is nice apart from the huge seeds.

amanda says...
I am green! Are they sub tropical or true tropical? Can't wait to see this fruit over here in WA!?

r says...
looks like they are at least subtropical hardy

Edward says...
In reply to Che's question: I planted four seeds from fruit bought from Harris' and after 4 months I am finally seeing small shoots emerging from all four. So it looks like they do germinate but extremely slowly, and I suspect the growth rate will be equally slow. I wonder how they manage over winter since temperatures can be quite low here though I don't expect frost.

murray says...
seeds are very hard to germinate i have tried various methods and different ph soils they are still viable one of my very many seeds has split and is slowly growing roots but this is very slow in my greenhouse now hoping to imitate its original environment where it comes from they are green on the inside of the husk around shell which forms when covered with airated moist soil note if seed is left above the soil line it may go mouldy and die

Rev says...
Mine look just like that
they germinate just like mangosteen

evenly and yes about 4 months
all you do is spit the seed into a pot with 30-40% coir and the rest riversand
and put it under a bench where itsll be kept from fully drying out but not too wet

and then you just ignore it till they are ready

lots of seeds are like this
Avo, Coffee, Kola nut and man

Burdekin doesnt get frost really but it does get quite nippy in winter at night. It has a long dry season but humidity stays relatively high in the dry season

Its an alright fruit. nice, if its cheap enough. But itll have to compete in a small market for sharp tasting fruits, and kiwi has that on volume, taste and price.
Id like to see it as a backyard fruit, street tree.
i bought mine at rustys markets, a bag of them for $2

Phil@Tyalgum says...
I ended up with around fifteen plants after planting seeds around nine months ago, have put three into the field already. Roots of the others are coming through the bottom of the supertubes so more going on underground than would appear in relation to the slow leaf development.

Phil@Tyalgum says...
Here are the achacha seedlings. The larger leaved one on the left is a different species, seed sent to me from a fellow forum member in Qld.

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BJ says...
If you go onto the company website, I think they may deliver. Could be a good option if you need to drive a long way to get them...

murray says...
acha cha's are growing but slowly!

Bucko says...
Achacha's purchased from woolies in brisbane CBD today. They are advertised at $8/kg but I just realised I was charged $12.98/kg. Nevermind they were worth it!!! Cheers, Bucko.

rsj says...
Available from the grower today (30/1/11) at the Sydney Chinese New Year market in Belmore Park at Central...$35 for a 5 kilo box, or smaller quantities. He says some Coles will have them.

fruitfly says...
hey all
achacha is sold at Coles, particularly the one in elizabeth st near flinders st station.

fruitist says...
Very disappointed with Achacha. Eat 10 fruits is not even worth eating one Mangosteen. And they are more or less the same price in Brisbane per fruit.

rebecca says...
I bought some of these yummy fruits for $8 a kilo at Willows Coles. First saw and tried them at Annandale Coles. They must have survived the cyclone (I did!) because I got them 2 days after, and today (a week and a bit later)

fruitist says...
That is expensive, Micarle, but glad that you like the flavour. Last week, I saw some bruised ones on sale at Pick and Pay for $9.90 per kg. Sometimes stores like Coles and Wollies, if you are lucky, you can get not-fresh Rambutans and defrosted Durians at give away prices.

Brendan says...
And it's repeated on ABC 1 today (Monday 14th Feb) at 11am :-)

fruitist says...
U-Wa (Baccaurea mollis). Same flavour and texture as Wu-Jung but the looks are not inviting.

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fruitist says...
You seem to grow some real exotics. No, I don't grow them myself. Next time I am in Borneo, I will send them some seeds to you. I only sent them to Brazil and other collectors around the world. Will be in KL next January defintely and Kuching in next April. But the fruits are in Sibu only so I may extend my trips to Sibu.

fruitist says...
Will do so, BJ. Not easy to send to Australia as the pulp is clingy to the seeds. So it is hard to clean the seeds free of pulp. However, when the pulp get dried up, it looks like part of the seed skin. Still, I spent a couple of hours to clean the seeds.

micarle says...
Fruitist That would be unreal!!!! I have found that Baccaurea are one of the hardest things to track down!!!

micarle says...
Do you have any more Photo's of Baccaurea taken in the wild??? Would love to see some!!

fruitist says...
This Rambai tree is in FNQ. BTW, where did you buy the Baccaurea from? Limberlost? Recently?

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fruitist says...
Noted, BJ. BTW, David Chandlee has most of the seeds on sale in the past. But I am not sure atm as he is still hobbling about with his crutches and what state of the trees after cyclone Yasi.

fruitist says...
Ok. I didn't know DC has not been selling much seeds after cyclone Larry.

I have a few different Garcinia from Mexico, Florida's Fruit and Spice Park, Bill Whitman's place, etc. I will try to graft them onto my Mundu tree this year.

I was re-reading some emails Antonio Morschbacker (a famous Brazillian collector) sent me back in 2006 re Achachairu and other Garcinia. May be the grower may want to talk to Bryan B in Puurto Rico who is very experienced with Achachairu. But I think BB would charge him for advice.

Phil@Tyalgum says...
I got a kilo for half price yesterday. The guy behind the checkout thought they were apricots.....

Julie says...
Hey Rev, read the 'tropical fruit trees grown in Melbourne' thread. A lady would like to get in touch with you.

trikus says...
Just be patient , as people have said here it takes a few months , bottom heat may help , they take a very long time to germinate

trikus says...
read this thread Nelson , lots of advice

John Mc says...
The easiest way is to wait till Daleys have them ready to sell. Look here
http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/false-Garcinia-humilis.htm
Put your name down and Daleys will contact you when they are ready.

Otherwise you have to wait more than two weeks for the seed to germinate, more like two months or more. They take around 8 years to start fruiting from seed in ideal tropical conditions. I don t like your chances of getting it to fruit in Melbourne, just like me trying to get a soursop to fruit south of Newcastle, we can always live in hope.

micarle says...
xerxes, you will need some heat to germinate these seeds in Melbourne, now that its heading towards winter. Just a heat mat under your seedling pots will do.

Hey Fruitist, some of my Baccaurea are from seed and a few are from Bot Ark. This is a pic of Macrophylla, its a Marcotted male plant. These plants have to be over wintered inside for protection.

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murray says...
Latest update on my cha chairu seedlings is that they are all healthy and some have 6 to 8 leaves i have a couple that just sprouted from last year too! From this years planted seed i planted around 80 seeds with 75% of them just starting to sprout after 4 weeks of love and care making sure to not over water and that the medium dosen't dry out,coconut core works really well with 25%perlite and some good quality seed raising mix ,little spears now with some of them having 2 to 4 spears coming up out of 1 seed which reminds me of lychee seedlings, will be selling these in 1 month from now... murray!

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Nick says...
Heres a few pics of my few month old seedling! It isnt much yet, only a cm or so high "spear" with no leaves but its definetly growing (although VERY slowly :P).

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BJ says...
Really? Are there many Garcinia/Rheedia that wont grow around Cairns?

They are native to Bolivia, so 16-20o South, Cairns is 16o South.

Nick says...
If they can grow in Brisbane, they should be able to grow here! :D Hopefully my 2 seedlings fruit at some time.

Nick says...
I understand that they'll take a while but they're already 5 months old and I'm young, so why not! :)

John Mc says...
Most of mine are just starting to emerge after 8 months. A couple are like your's Nick.
Murray, arn't your's a year older? do you have any pics?

Mango_lady101 says...
Acha chas did have bigger seeds last season due to the excessive amounts of rain they had. The seeds should be smaller this year. You could purchase excellent quality fruit in Sydney for $6.00 an acha cha bag(just under a kg) They should be available again in November 2011

BJ says...
I went through Daleys last week and to my surprise there were 2 nice big Achacha trees there in 6lt bags. Must have been left from the last consignment. They look to be 3-4yr old (a bit smaller than the 4yo mangosteen you see in Rusty's), about 2.5 foot tall (apex pruned back) and in a super heavy medium - very heavy sandy loam, but mostly sand. Both looked quite healty, so they have joined my mottley crew. Hopefully, that will knock a few years off my wait for fruit.

Nick says...
Its achacha season again!! Its shame you have to wait a whole year just to eat them, I can now remember why I'm so addicted to them. If anyone wants some seeds, contact me at niksmaster2008@hotmail.com :)

Nick says...
Sure thing chillilover! I dont expect anything in return but if you have any seeds of the rarer fruits I wouldn't mind a few :)

Nick says...
I would love rambutan seeds! I usually depend on Coles fruit for them but they only become available every so ofen and my first (and last!) attempt at germinating one failed. Here's some updated photos of my achacha seedlings.

chillilover says...
lol Nick you forgot the photos. Anyways i'll find out on Sunday if i can source some rambutan. BTW i got your seeds today.

Nick says...
Nope the photos still aren't uploading, it keeps coming up with "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 15872 bytes) in /home/daleysfr/include/forum_create.inc on line 51"??

Nick says...
If anyone still wants some achacha seeds, I've got a few left :)

chillilover says...
Nick save some for me. Still no sign of the one's you posted earlier. Maybe Monday.

chillilover says...
Hey Nick if ypu are buying the seeds don't worry then. I assume you got my mail.

Nick says...
$5.99 is a good price compared to the $10 Coles charges.

amanda says...
What a score BJ!? Personally I can't understand how they can afford self-serve checkouts..?? ;-)

Mike says...
My 4 trees only flowered for the first time recently and none set.I have had them from quite a few sources recently but the ones I have now are from Rusty's Market. There were 8 or 9 stalls with them yesterday.Excellent quality mobolos and mammeys were there but the marangs and durians on offer were low quality.

Mike says...
My 4 trees only flowered for the first time recently and none set.I have had them from quite a few sources recently but the ones I have now are from Rusty's Market. There were 8 or 9 stalls with them yesterday.Excellent quality mobolos and mammeys were there but the marangs and durians on offer were low quality.

David says...
Hi Mike , Thankyou that would be excellent

David says...
Thanks Mike i am a patient man.

Mike says...
David I have them and they are huge and look tobe of exceptional quality.I was also given a big luang durian perfectly ripe and some R3 rambos.This fellow is a genuine expert and is considering writing a book on tropicalfruits and the history of their introductions tothis country.
Chilli I am experiencing a little bit of Aussie post fatigue as I have several more parcels to pack and send.They will be around for quite a while yet and I'll try to get onto it in the next few weeks ok.

David says...
Hi Mike ,I go from being a patient man to an excited man, tell me what do they tatse like, can almost smell them from here , Glad to see you had a productive journey. David .

David says...
Hi Mike, Im glad it lived up to expectations. GET YOUR SEED PLANTED DOUBLE QUICK SMART ,THE SOONER YOU PLANT THE SOONER YOULL BE TASTING AGAIN ,cant wait myself. You lucky dog .Regards David.

David says...
Thanks mike, you must be as full as a gun. Yes Bj would appreciate that to,1.5 kilo is a lot to eat(now let me see how long will it take to get up there to help you).What can i say pig out . David

David says...
Hi Mike in the famous words of Doris Day,Que Sera Sera what will be will be, yes those are the sacrifices.David.Night off to bed, off to the organic markets early as usual on sunday morn , for the goodies.

David says...
What variety Nick, Salaithiel, have 100% chicken tongue, ie very small seed ,good variety but a bit pricey.

David says...
THanks Nick what else do you grow

Nick says...
Oh, and my salak, duku and purple mangosteen seedlings have just started emerging!

David says...
Afternoon Mike ,Muchly thankyou, were they both from the same tree or diff trees, ive noticed the seedling soursop, friuts can vary so much in both seedness and flavour ,from the same tree, quite strange. Glad for you, that you managed to source some good trees, and more importantly you made a good friend in the kind man who gave you access to such good fruit.When and if you talk to him again, please pass on my regards and thank him for me .David

Mike says...
The first comment was directed at Nick.

They are from very different looking trees and are dramatically dissimilar in their characteristics but the two best I've tried and way better than that trashy imposter cheena.I had to come with gifts in hand and seedlings of the hog plum,Carica monoica,amber jackfruit and some whopping E4 abius to eat lossened the fellows' grip on his prize fruits.The luang durian was delicious as well.

dickybeacholdalbion says...
they are native to Bolivia - so should be able to take a bit of cold

garcinia humilis is the real name - strange. couldnt find anything in purdue university about it

From Achacha town says...
Hi, Bolivia has many types of climate,and achacha or achachairu the native name comes from tropical area, where the average temp is 28C and humidity very high. I have been trying to grow this in Adelaide but have not been successful. I will keep trying though as it is the best fruit I grew up eating and I miss it so much. Last week I found the fruit at the central market in Adelaide and I bought 6 kg and they lasted 2 days as one of my kids loved it from the first time he tried it in Santa Cruz , Bolivia. Thanks

Linton says...
I got a Rheedia about 1 year ago which I've been growing outside in Melbourne without any problems. But I'm confused if this is the same thing as Achacha.

Mike says...
AchaGirl,does it say on the box what the rstrictions are? Usually it relates to commercially selling fruit or selling trees propagated from their fruit.If people independently source seed from overseas or grow them for home use there won't be any litigation,I would think.

BJ says...
Yes. it is a strange situation, as they are not a selection, just a seedling fruit which was already in the country. Also, the name registered is more than likely not the correct scientific name. How could they register, let alone sue someone?

Peter says...
Is this cultivar very different from any of the plants in Bolivia?
I can only sympathize with real breeders who spend buckets of money into the development of their unique cultivar and want to get a good return for the effort and costs...

Mike says...
AchaGirl,the main concern is that PBR could be used for more than the protection of varieties produced in australia and rewarding breeder efforts.If it rewards people just for bringing in superior varieties and negotiating our quarantine system then PBR is not the right name.With our paucity of good varieties in many fruits it could be quite an advantage.

BJ says...
I understand what Bruce and the Achacha crew have done. I wouldnt consider selling fruit or seedlings purely out of respect for the efforts they are putting into trying to establish and introduce a good tropical/subtropical fruit into our very boring market, PBR notwithstanding. Certainly not easy, especially when the main retailers are putting out shrivelled old ones to introduce to the public (looking at you Woolworths!). I'm just curious as to how a seedling raised species is granted that status, which I thought was for superior selections of plants that are vegetatively propagated.
My wee plants wouldnt be in the business of bearing anything for a good 6 years anyways, and even then, I like the fruit too much to have a thought of selling them.

Jenny says...
yes these are mine, I have one polyembryonic out of this lot, and one has a split stem but look at the slow ones on the right, and they were all planted the same time! How does pollination go down the track does anyone know? Do you need a male tree and a female tree? And if so I suppose you can't tell what they are until they actually do flower?

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BJ says...
I believe these to be self fertile. There are myths around that all garcinia need x pollination, which is not true - only a few do - Imbe, button mangosteen, seashore mangosteen, maybe one or two others, the rest are happy to grow on their own.

David says...
Hi John Mc , mines been in the ground now 7yrs and fruits usually more than once a yr,so yes

David says...
Tends to be moderate grow up here is now about3.5m high. Fruit is sweet to sub acid in flavour , large seed surrounded by litchi like flesh.Taste is refreshing.

David says...
Good on you Mike, a good looking specimen.A magic week maybe.

David says...
Nice looking breadfruit Mike, at the last fruit meeting in April, the fruit mag put out for members showed a tree growing in Thornlands a bayside suberb, healthy looking so poss it might grow here

David says...
Looks like the leaf structure is diff to the one in your backyard Mike am i right if so does this mean then that breadfruit is more adaptable then say ,Marang to cool climes or not so.

John Mc says...
QUOTE
"Mike says...
David,I got another tree from a friend yesterday and I don't know where to put it."

Mike, I can still see lawn!!

MaryT says...
David, is John Mc referring to his own lawn? :)

amanda says...
U could always advertise them Mike? "Free - U remove"..? It would be a shame to waste them.. :-(

David says...
No Mary, Mikes lawn, the trees in my own small(800sq m) space are all approx 2m apart soooo close yet they seem to thrive with the extra humidity created by being so close.As Dr Smith would say Mike "the pain the pain"

amanda says...
U are different in more ways than one Mike for sure ;-)

David says...
Hi Mike , i said the trees were 2m apart that santol trunk looks to be 2m wide, Id have to phone Jenny to fit between my trees at that rate .Ha Ha

David says...
Hes wearing a teashirt and thongs for goodness sakes , today we only made 16c, Mike dont do this to me.

David says...
Winter thongs eh , must have missed this new fashion statement, possibly only for FNQ fashionistas.lol

amanda says...
True SG...anyone would think only FNQ is warm..?? Lol...we are having nights (and days) that are warmer than Cairns even...?
We wear thongs all thru winter (not all the time tho)
Bet u didn't realise that about WA..? Much nicer than mouldy old FNQ thanks ;-)

amanda says...
Hey Mike - many of the local schools have food garden set ups - to teach children about growing food etc.

As some of your plants are "special" one's - I'd bet these schools (or even the Community Gardens) would be very grateful to take them off your hands - if u are ever up for it.

MaryT says...
Haha I'm sure you're joking, Mike, though it's a handsome bush. I'm looking forward to my seedlings looking like that one day, but I may have to keep school children away from them :)

Amanda there is no one more generous than Mike and he's been doing work for the common good for decades. Many of us on this forum are recipients of that generosity which is why we hold him in high esteem but we have not nominated him for sainthood yet; don't worry about any idolising happening here.

nishina says...
I like to know more about achacha fruit tree....can i get one achacha tree in india

Mike says...
I have been told a Garcinia enthusiast that the Australian achachas are one of four types (a subtropical form) of their species which is still undescribed.It is not the best variety and the species is not humilis,laterflore or latifolia and not confined to Bolivia.On the Brazilian side there are also other varieties of this species.In the paticular species group that it belongs in, Lucs mexican garcinia is the elite one and some G.brasiliensis varieties are superior.

Mike says...
BJ sweet madrono is supposed to be worlds better than standard madrono.As luck would have it a seed of one such plant fell into my possession a couple of days ago.The smooth skinned amazon madrono are also alleged to be of better quality than the standard types.

nickg says...
Its times like this that i wished lived in Queensland. Does anybody here in Perth know if this fruit is avaiable locally?

Mike says...
Not worth the extra for coles ones.

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Mike says...
nickg sorry to disappoint you I am in Cairns.

Mike says...
Mary no new ID it just accepted it when I forgot to put location in.It used to tell you to put location I think so access may have loosened up.

Lissa says...
I have done a plant swap with a friend and she's given me two three year old seedlings :)
Also have my own seed planted waiting for them to appear.
Cameras not working this morning but they look the same as Jenny's pic.

Phil@Tyalgum says...
I have had success by planting the seeds fresh and not too deep - only about 0.5 cm of good quality seed raising mix over the top. They are very slow to germinate, you are looking at about six months before they appear. Just plant them on their sides (length ways) and don't overwater as they can rot easily in this weather.

maxine says...
what's it like being green? Im white :P oh an the fruit is delightful pity there is so little flesh in them though..

Nick T says...
Hello Estar, from my experience achacha seems to have quite a long tap root with not many lateral or fibrous roots. I repotted one just before Christmas and it's only just starting to grow again, so I think transplanting too many times should be avoided if possible :)

mike 2 says...
to Mike, Cairns I meant Luang grafted plant--not the fruit, thanks

MaryT says...
Mike I always thought the durian is the devil's work. Now I know it's true.:)

Estar says...
Hi Nick T
Thanks for your reply. I have planted them in the ground and in pots to make a comparison......just gotta wait another 3 months to see the 1st results !
A long tap root sounds to me that they would be better in the ground so they can get a good deep anchor to make them happy. I am fortunate to have a great sunny and sheltered spot for them so fingers crossed.

BELL says...
MARKETS AT MIRIAM VALE, EVERY THIRD SATURDAY OF THE MONTH

Mike says...
dada it is not achacha season yet for a few months.They are common then.They are really subtropical so need some altitude if you are near the equator. Are you Soren's (Uganda) friend in Cameroon?

David says...
Spotted today 300mm high approx Achacha plants for sale Templex nursery Algester for $49.

sternus1 says...
Ok that's it. I'm buying a box. Been tossing it up all day long.

I'm going to have a look into this breeding protection rights thing; my understanding of this albeit superficial is that gene patenting hasn't arrived in Australia yet, though no doubt monsanto will bring it in a wicker basket soon enough considering the ultra neo-liberal recently elected. I bet it would be lawful to sell these under a different title. I do know you could just about count the number of lawyers who deal in patents in Australia on one hand. It is a very lucrative arena of law, particularly internationally.

The cultivar title achacha might be patented but my feeling is it would not be possible to patent garcinia humilus....I doubt this could happen even in the US.