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Jason starts with ... Anyone been doing some Avocado grafting lately. I was wondering if anyone has been getting near 100% take and what they are doing. Just interested because I have a flowering seedling too close to the house so this last year I've grown some seedlings and grafted it onto those tonight. I did a few so I should get one or two to stick. But yeah I was enjoying it after so long not grafting one. And it got me wondering. I only ever got about 70% take on avocados even on my best day and sometimes a pretty low percentage indeed but I always got enough for myself. | About the Author Jason Portland 7th February 2014 6:24am #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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VF says... Sorry Jason, this is not answering your question, but I have other questions too. (I'm wanting to try Avo grafting for first time.) Which seedling makes the best rootstock, with choices being Reed, Hass, Fuerte or Shephard as seed source? I'd preferably like it to be a bit dwarfing, but disease resistance is foremost. And, what type of graft do you find takes the best? Do you do anything special post-grafting? When is the best time of the year for Avo grafting? | About the Author VF Wongawallan 7th February 2014 7:06am #UserID: 6795 Posts: 736 View All VF's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... Ok VF well what I do is just cut the scion just as its started growth. I only use very small rootstock, slightly less than pencil thickness. It doesn't seem to matter at all what cut I use. Even a a simple diagonal cut has worked for me or a V. I used to cut the scions then dip them in water then join them. Last night I skipped the water. Then tape them up, then I tie one of those little freezer bags over the graft. I then leave them in the shade. Temp wise when its 20c or so seems good. Its about 30 odd here today so I might be pushing my luck or maybe they will just heal faster.. Tomorrow is going to be 40 so they will need to come inside tomorrow. I think if you use a sharp knife and put a bag over them you should at least get a couple to take out of 10 first try. I use any kind of seed. I think this batch are on Hass which is probably the strongest grower in the cool conditions I have. Reed probably makes a good rootstock since the bigger seeds tend to make thicker seedlings. The last time I had an Avocado graft Jantina was here and I had just planted it at about 20cm tall. I noticed today that tree is my height now (5'10"). Its hass on hass, very strong grower that one, minimal incompatibility I guess. | About the Author Jason Portland 7th February 2014 12:42pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Paul W says... I have had quite alot of success with avocado grafting, but I only get about 70% success rate as well. My view is that timeing is key and right now is a good time of the year. Late Jan through to mid Feb is when I have the most success. It is important that the rootstock is in a strong growth flush and that tends to happen now. I prefer a bark graft but I suspect that it doesnt really matter. Another thing that I feel is very important is to spray everything with alcohol during grafting. Most grafts seem to fail because of fungal attack, so if you spray your knife, hands scion and where you cut your rootstock, you get better results. A friiend of mine also uses a solution of rooting hormone mixed with water and adds a drop to the graft joint. This promotes callasing and supposedly improves your success rate, however I have not done much in the way of trials so cant really comment on how successful this is. The health of the rootstock is very important too. Poor, weak seedlings are far less likely to take. | About the Author Paul W Warragul 7th February 2014 10:30pm #UserID: 7329 Posts: 20 View All Paul W's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Markmelb says... Im finding as Jason points out NOW is finally a good time as Avos are flushing new growth really well - Ive been trying to graft to some hass and fuerte seeds since October without success - so wonder if those getting some success can show their new growth success - Ive put a couple pics up of grafts ive done from 2 weeks to a month ago - as well as a triple graft that may work - heres hoping? Mainly Wurtz but a Lamb Hass and multi is Bacon Wurtz and Lamb Hass (I do have a clear cellophane gift bag over them and in SHADE area)
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Jason says... Hey guys my grafts are all looking very good so far. I think I did eight? more or less. A few of them look like they are gearing up to push now. At the moment I still have them bagged. I noticed they have been getting (accidental) morning sun, maybe that's been a good thing. Once the sun gets up they've been shaded. | About the Author Jason Portland 24th February 2014 4:30pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... It takes me a year to grow the seedlings, trouble grafting them and then growing them again. I think anyone who does that and then sells the plant for an hours worth of wage including potting mix, fertiliser and water costs is MAD Lol. I only do it myself because you end up with as better tree if you can do everything yourself and get them into the ground at a size that wouldn't yet be marketable. By the time they look pretty enough to sell they are pretty much not hardy enough for me to grow anymore. I've only vary rarely had a commercially grown one survive the first Summer | About the Author Jason Portland 26th February 2014 3:03pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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JohnMc1 says... Yes I have heaps of strong seedlings but the weather didn't suit this year. Just no water, different story now, won't stop raining. Luckily I dug the dam out to four times it's capacity, so should be OK next drought. I have a better take up rate in early spring, but I'll do some more if I can find some scionwood suitable for grafting. I have Reed, Wurtz and the above two cv's.
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Paul W says... Its about 5 weeks since I grafted the mexicolas. At this stage it looks like I have about 60-70% success rate which I am happy with given that Anne sent the scion through the post and that they went through a heat wave shortly after grafting. I set up a mister on a timer to wet a sheet that I had pitched over them like a tent that came on every hour for a couple of minutes to try and keep them cool which seemed to help. Its still early days but looking good at this stage.
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Jason says... This is turning out to be the best Avocado grafting thread I've seen in a while so I'll keep updating it. The reason I grew those seedlings in the first place was because a seedling Avocado volunteered itself right next the the house, grew very rapidly and flowered within five years, might have even been four years. It's been two years since and it hasn't set fruit yet. I was hoping it would have by now but to be fair its still maturing. In any case it's right up hard against the house and is some 15 feet tall already for it has to go soon. So the mission was to graft this tree in case its a type A Mexican fruit which are very scarce and would be quite useful. There's at least one other seedling growing within a couple inches of this one (hard to tell but could be a third too) in any case the second tree is very unusual and distinctive and even faster growing. I call this one "big leaf" because its got very wide leaves, really strange one. So in my pot pictured above I've got something like four gAvocados "flower" which is the flowering seedling. Of which three have definitely taken. One of "big leaf" which might have taken. Three of Reed, two of those have taken. I also have one of "LC" which is the very large purplish leafed seedling I have which threw its first flower this year. I don't know if this one has taken but it's just as a backup and not so important right now. All the grafts in this pot which pushed first were standard V grafts, nothing fancy and that's the graft shape/cut I've had most success with lately. One of the Reeds that's pushing was a diagonal / graft but it's not been quite as quick to heal. Because they are all in one pot I have a big of work to do soon in moving them either to other pots or straight into the ground. I don't really have enough space for that many Avocados. So I'll probably just plant the two Reeds and one of "flower" and the "big leaf" if it takes. The others can go in pots. In case anyone is wondering how I'll transplant these it'll be with the patented Jason wet transplant technique. Which is tip them all out in a big bucket/bin full of water and then fish them out and replant in muddy soup ground or muddy soup potting mix in a pot. Leave drain and you're done. I'll take more pictures soon, I'd like to unwrap the tape to show the healing now but its a bit early for that really. | About the Author Jason Portland 15th March 2014 10:40pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... Brendan yes, I have the purple ones you sent ready to plant out now:). Brad, one guy David on the cloudforest chip buds Avocados. He has some success but grafting very young seedlings seems to give the best percentage and strongest plants in the long term. When you get a good one on a closely related stock they grow away like champion's. | About the Author Jason Portland 16th March 2014 1:08pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Joanna24 says... Hi, I have a few questions about grafting, firstly, do you just cut branches off another avocado tree to use to graft an avocado seedling? and second, how old should the other tree be that you are cutting from to use for grafting your younger plant? Hope this is understandable, thanks. | About the Author Joanna24 Perth 26th March 2016 11:13pm #UserID: 13597 Posts: 2 View All Joanna24's Edible Fruit Trees |
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jakfruit etiquette says... Hi. Yes you need to get the grafting sticks from the same type of Avo fruit variety you want to grow. ie if you want to graft a Hass Avo, you need to get sticks from a Hass tree. Age of the tree you get the sticks from doesnt matter, as you are grafting from a grafted tree. That said a mature fruiting tree is probably the best source of sticks. Also you need to size match the grafting sticks to your seedling. Usually terminal shoots/branch tips are used when grafting Avocados, as this sort of replaces what is cut off the seedling. | About the Author jakfruit etiquette vic 31st March 2016 8:27pm #UserID: 5133 Posts: 915 View All jakfruit etiquette's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Joanna24 says... Okay thank you! I have an Avo tree in the family, it is very mature, would have to be over 20 years old and more possibly, however it hasn't fruited or made flowers in a very long time, any advice on how to get it to start flowering and fruiting again? Also would this tree be fine to graft with my Avi seedling or not a good idea as it doesn't bear fruit (although it has but a long time ago) ? However I am unaware of this tree was grafted to begin with Thankyou | About the Author Joanna24 Perth 1st April 2016 1:54pm #UserID: 13597 Posts: 2 View All Joanna24's Edible Fruit Trees |
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CT says... Sir can you please let me know what time of the year is the best time for bark grafting Avocados Is it as the other person said late January or early February I have a mature Hass tree about 10 years old grown from a Hass seed but has not produced more than 10 avocados in the last 2 years I have a neighbor who has a 7 metre Hass tree to take the grafts from Thanks Con | About the Author CT 2536 19th January 2019 3:01pm #UserID: 19677 Posts: 1 View All CT's Edible Fruit Trees |
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jakfruit etiquette says... There was a recent report re Avo rootstocks that all seedlings will be variable, even from the same var or even the same tree. So your mature Avocado tree grown from seed is going to be some % different than the var it came from. The main question would be does it fruit the same and as consistently as the original parent tree. Also consider that your seedling is not grafted, and it may perform better or differently if grafted onto a better rootstock. Otherwise you can get scion wood for grafting from any tree you think is worth propagating. | About the Author jakfruit etiquette vic 12th November 2019 3:06pm #UserID: 5133 Posts: 915 View All jakfruit etiquette's Edible Fruit Trees |
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jakfruit etiquette says... If its a mature tree you could use a topworking grafting method . Thats basically cutting the tree back to a stump and grafting a few small scions into the bark. Since you only want to swap over one branch, you would just top work that branch. Instead of stumping you could rework the main limbs higher. Here is an article on it. I would also research more before you proceed so you understand the method. http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Avocado/TopworkingAvos1-83.htm http://www.avocadosource.com/CAS_Yearbooks/CAS_93_2010/CAS_2010_V93_PG_051-071.pdf | About the Author jakfruit etiquette vic 10th February 2020 5:12pm #UserID: 5133 Posts: 915 View All jakfruit etiquette's Edible Fruit Trees |
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David01 says... Hi Chiza, You can take a scion from the grafted fruit tree (bloom or not bloom does not matter) and graft it to a seedling plant. In order to work 1. must be the same family, e.g avocado to avocado. 2. need experience how to do it 3. right time. Usually early spring or during growth season. Cheers. | About the Author David01 CRAIGIEBURN,3064,VIC 26th February 2020 2:29pm #UserID: 16671 Posts: 467 View All David01's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Viola says... Someone once gave me a locally grown avocado in the winter (relatively a rarity here) that tasted very similar to those from my tree, which bears its fruit in the summer as most do. I was intrigued, so I planted the seed. Now I have a 3 foot tall avocado plant in a pot. I would love to graft it and have a tree that bears fruit in the winter. My question is whether the season in which a tree bears fruit depends on the seed it came from, or the branch that was grafted on? Thank you! | About the Author Viola Lantana 33462 FL USA 5th August 2020 10:37am #UserID: 23580 Posts: 2 View All Viola's Edible Fruit Trees |
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jakfruit etiquette says... Hi Viola, If I wanted to grow your locally grown avocado fruit in the winter (relatively a rarity here) that tasted very similar to those from my tree, I would first try to identify and track down the tree the fruit came from. I would take a graft from this to get exactly the same fruit type and season. If I couldnt find the tree, I would grow the seedling you have, in the hope it is pretty close to the original. The season the tree fruits is as fixed as the fruit shape and flesh type. Grafting on different rootstocks wont change the fruiting season by much, maybe some a bit earlier, or some a bit later by a couple of weeks, if you change the rootstock type. It wouldnt swap from summer to winter fruiting. I hope that helps?? | About the Author jakfruit etiquette gotham city,3000,Vic 7th August 2020 3:54pm #UserID: 5133 Posts: 915 View All jakfruit etiquette's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Viola says... Thanks for the reply. I am still confused. Unfortunately, I have no idea where the tree is that the winter-grown avocado I whose seed I planted came from, as the person who gave it to me doesn't know either. The only tree I have direct access to (without doing some sleuthing) is my own very fruitful summer-bearing one. If I were to graft a branch from it onto my seedling from the winter fruit, would it likely bear its fruit in the summer, or the winter? | About the Author Viola Lantana 33462 FL USA 14th August 2020 5:31am #UserID: 23580 Posts: 2 View All Viola's Edible Fruit Trees |
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jakfruit etiquette says... Hi Viola, I dont think grafting is the answer to your problem. You ask, If I were to graft a branch from it onto my seedling from the winter fruit, would it likely bear its fruit in the summer, or the winter? If you did this you will have two of exactly the same types of Avocado. One big in your yard and one small in a pot. Grafting itself doesnt change the plant, its the variety you graft on top that changes the fruit type and season. If you can find out the variety of Avocado you already have in your yard, it may be possible to find something with similar fruit that fruits in winter. Happy to help further. | About the Author jakfruit etiquette gotham city,3000,Vic 18th August 2020 9:24am #UserID: 5133 Posts: 915 View All jakfruit etiquette's Edible Fruit Trees |
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becrule35 says... Hi I was wondering if you you please sell me some scions? I have rootstock and a bacon tree and I don’t want to have to buy heaps of avo trees just to get more varieties. I am going to put a few varieties on each tree I have. I have had no luck at all finding scions for avocados. I am happy to swap with other scions or Cuttings etc. I have blueberries, raspberries, fig, olive, Granny Smith and pink lady (some of my trees are still young so not ready for cutting yet but will be in future) I have several more herbs etc too. I have eureka lemon tree too and heaps of plants I’m growing by seed. I am wanting to graft onto my seedling rootstocks from now on. I plan to have a peach/nectarine/apricot tree all in one too. I want one apple tree with several varieties etc etc. I have severe health issues and I don’t want to spend money I don’t have on all these trees that I can’t plant just for the variety. So if you could please help me or anyone else with some scions my number is 0402276347 can you please text me when you can if you can help me. Thanks so much and I’m happy to pay postage and pay for scions or swap cuttings etc. | About the Author becrule35 BALLARAT,3350,VIC 29th August 2020 1:46pm #UserID: 23541 Posts: 41 View All becrule35's Edible Fruit Trees |
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becrule35 says... I bought a feurte. I still haven’t found anyone to swap cuttings with 😔 but if someone can either sell me some cuttings or swap some that would be awesome. I have heaps of small seedlings growing atm and some germinating. I live in Ballarat so I don’t even know if they will make it here so I don’t want to waste hundreds of dollars on more trees. I have spent already way above my budget on gardening, trees etc. I have severe health issues too so I can’t get out there and work like I used to sadly. Anyway i would like any variety I don’t have. I’m looking for all dwarf varieties mainly especially lamb hass but I will gladly take any cuttings. I have other fruit trees I can swap some cuttings with too. | About the Author becrule35 BALLARAT ,3350,VIC 21st September 2020 1:37pm #UserID: 23541 Posts: 41 View All becrule35's Edible Fruit Trees |
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becrule35 says... How are your grafted Mexicola going? They should be big by now hopefully. Would you please sell me some Mexicola scions? I can’t find any anywhere. I have a bacon and feurte bought from nursery and I’m growing loads of seedlings. I want to graft as many different varieties onto my seedlings as I can. I am also going to keep a lot of them in big pots. I am not sure how to send scions in the post properly just yet. I have a fair idea but I need to look into it a bit more. Do you or anyone else know what is the best way to send scions via post? | About the Author becrule35 BALLARAT ,3350,VIC 21st September 2020 1:55pm #UserID: 23541 Posts: 41 View All becrule35's Edible Fruit Trees |
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