Black Brazilian Cherry

Mike says...
Phil black star is supposed to be the pick of the blacks.I have seedlings popping up as well.

David says...
My Grafted black fruited tree is in bud all over.

David says...
Hi BJ thats where i got mine good looking tree

BJ says...
Chester at Mullumbimby.

Does the yellow tag say they are seed or cutting grown?

David says...
From Daleys pretty sure they are seedling grown

BJ says...
Linton, Chester is from Forbidden fruit.

David says...
Hi Linton , the seedling black that i got from daleys has been in the ground now 1 yr and is flowering so have hope.

Mike says...
In Brazil neither get called Brasil Cherry as they are Suris and Grumis there.I have some black star E.unifloras just beginning to sprout.

Mike says...
Jenny sorry I have 6 of them and they are all spoken for already and I want to keep one.I had quite a few seeds and shot my mouth off about it but not all came up.I am still practising my excuses for people who want some and will miss out.

Jenny says...
Mike, that's ok, thanks anyway, I felt a bit cheeky asking but sometimes you don't get anywhere if you don't ask!

David, that's very kind of you thank you! It must be very exciting to see the fruit developing - I've got lots of citrus but not much else flowering at the moment. Coincidentally I was at Templex Nursery this afternoon and found a seedling black there (their last one) for $18 but I wouldn't say no to your seeds! Just let me know when they're ready I could pick them up to save you the postage since you are not far away, but of course no hurry. jscods at hotmail dot com. Templex have got some interesting stuff, I really had to hold myself back but did splash out on a grafted Tropic Sun. Oh for an acreage...(and bottomless wallet!)

David says...
Hi Jenny , was there last week to and spoke to Gemma the owner who i know quite well, also saw the black Brazillian cherry, good buy at $18 i think. Mike is of course right, he has been more than generous to me in the past and i thank him for that, so what goes around is a good thing, this is how we all improve ourselves.Will stow away your email and when the time comes youll hear from me ,will keep you updated as to there progress.David

David says...
Yes after the winter break very low mins here this year but now with the slightly elevated temps has flowered and puting out new growth ,kept it in the bag John for another 6mths,before planting Chester said that the grafts he performs are very slow to take with Brazillian cherry,success rate is not high in other words. The seedling black ive got also is flowering been in the groung 1yr,only .5mtr tall but very bushy, will have to wait to see if this comes true to type or not. If not will use this to get seed to graft more of the black onto them.Chester told me the story of how he came about the black, his young daughter came home one day after playing on the property he had bought and handed over a small fruit, apparently the black cherry was already on the property,what a stroke of luck i say.

David says...
Yes thats right VF, they did have custard apples not sure about Tropic sun though.

BJ says...
Jenny, did the Tropic Suns look whippy and mostly dead? I've not seen a single plant in buyable condition.

David says...
Yes John no procrastination

VF says...
Thanks David and Jenny. I'll have to have a look.

Jenny says...
Oh I see. Well, time will tell. The roots were quite damp and not ideal. If it doesn't thrive maybe I'll try some grafting on to a few of my little cherimoya seedlings! It might be fun & good experience to do it anyway :)

Mike says...
My tropic sun was wispy and had sickly,slow growth.It is volunteering for mulch patrol and paying the ultimate price for its recalcitrance.The small black stars I have are now kicking along.

John Mc says...
My Tropic Sun is still in full leaf from last season. It is very wispy but it'll be getting a good prune, back to around 200mm from each fork to try and build a strong framework for the following years. I do that with all my Annonas, the African Pride is in it's forth year and looking nice and strong, with, incidently, three very large fruit hanging on there.

David says...
OK, Grant and Jenny if you can email me your adresses, seed is nearly ready to harvest. My email is dphuntbris at optusnet dot com dot au. Wait to hear from you guys.

Grant says...
Many thanks as well David, hopefully i will get to check out the difference between the red and black. Eventually

Jenny says...
thanks David for your kindness! seeds are soaking as I type. I love growing plants from seeds.

Grant says...
Perhaps mine will be waiting for me when i get home? What is the best proceedure to give them the best chance of germinating? How long will you soak them for Jenny?

John Mc says...
You shouldn't have a problem if the reds are anything to go by. I have seedlings coming up around my tree where I casually throw the seed. Of course it gets covered with mulch to help it germinate.

David says...
Grant, you are welcome.

Robertito says...
I have about five metres of normal Brazilian cherry in my yard and they taste terrible - particularly the pine-o-clean aftertase. I'm really keen to graft some of the Black ones onto this established rootstock. It's only a rental property, so I probably won't be here long enough to enjoy the benefits of trees grows from seed.

Does anyone have an opinion about whether this is doable? And does anyone have any cuttings they could spare?

VF says...
I have not tried it, but some sources say to refrigerate the fruit (not sure if cut open first) for half an hour to an hour, and the resinous flavour disappears. Worth a try I guess.

David says...
Lets have another go at this .The flavour was in no way resinous, but have found that it needs to be completely ripe to rid all resinous undertones.

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JohnMc1 says...
My FF grafted black has been fruiting all summer, fruit is still hanging on the tree and has just come into full flower again. The fruit is at it's best after it has fallen.

Jenny says...
Hopefully these are flower buds on my black Brazilian cherry, the leaves coloured up beautifully this winter. I would love to taste some fruit from it this year. The small plant is one of my seedlings from David, doubt if it will fruit this year but should put on some good growth since I planted it out recently. Also a black, but the leaves have not changed colour. I've only had the grafted standard since the beginning of the year and it's been wonderful, it's a red and has been pumping out the fruit even through winter. It's full of tiny fruit at the moment. I like them though they are too tart for some of my "guinea pigs", they are lovely when so ripe they just fall into your hand. the ants like them too and I wrapped the trunk with plastic wrap & put that horticultural glue around it.

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MaryT1 says...
Nice pic, Carl76. Yes my fruit trees are flowering too. Looks like this will be the first year I'll get a crop of strawberry guavas instead of one or two.

Mike Tr says...
They are also known as pitanga and surinam cherry.My black brazil cherry might have to wait until next season and I am soon to plant a large leaf orange brazil cherry.My pitangatuba (E.neonitida) had its first flower open today.

Mike Tr says...
John the pitangatuba is 25cm high and 30cm wide and 13 months old from seed.I have a bigger one that shows no sign of flowering. I am expecting the fruit to be quite acid.
I am told the orange brazil cherry is an elite cultivar and I have just the one.

sternus1 says...
Surinam cherry doesn't grow true from seed.

Daleys sell a black variety, it is available for pre-purchase right now. Who knows, what turns up might even be half decent.

http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/buy/brazilian-cherry-black-tree.htm

Mike Tr says...
sternus my orange has big leaves like it is supposed to so hopefully it will be true.There was a paper done on seedling trials where proportions of blacks that grew true were assessed.I can't remember the outcome but I think blacks mostly produced blacks.

Mike Tr says...
Just to be confusing I have a Eugenia pitanga as well but it is only 10cm and also planted in the ground.The orange brazil cherry is sweeter,firmer and less ribbed.Some people enjoy pitangatuba out of hand so we'll see with that one.

JohnMc1 says...
On their way Juneli, the seeds have already sprouted. They are packed in damp coco so should get there OK.

JohnMc1 says...
We tend to "pay it forward" here Juneli, I have only just received two envelopes myself within the past week from MaryT.

Mike Tr says...
I see a couple of flower buds on my 75cm tall 18 month old black brazil cherry.The 12cm tall Eugenia pitanga that is less than 1 year also has 2 flower buds.I know E,pitanga is a dwarf but this is ridiculous.

echinopora says...
I found a research paper on eugenia uniflora genetics and the black trait in seedlings of cross pollinated "zills black" suggested that zills black is heterozygous at a single locus for a dominant black fruited gene (B/b). So in zills black 75% of offspring were black. But that would suggest that as long as you were breeding 2 (B/B) e.uniflora you would have seedlings that were true to type

Phil @ tyalgum, I am up in terranora. I don't suppose you would be up for a garden tour sometime? I'm just getting my orchard started and would love to see/hear what works around here.

If any spare seeds come available for black e.uniflora or e.neonitida I would be keen.

Rggordey at ualberta dot ca

Rob

Juneli says...
JohnMc the cherry seeds arrived this afternoon. They were still lovely and moist in the plastic bag with the coir. The roots were amazing on one seed. Will post photo when they pop up. Thankyou again for your generosity.

Juneli says...
They look delicious JohnMc and hopefully I wll get to taste one in a year or two. Thanks for posting the pic.

David says...
Hi Grant, What can I say bummer. Have cultivar Black Beauty now ,not fruited yet but will send you some seed when it does if interested.By the way was at Tropical fruit world 2 wks ago and they said Jackfruits would be early this year .Might go down at end of February.Cheers David.

Grant says...
Cheers for the offer Dave, not enough space left in the garden for 2 BB though. Do you happen to know if Tropical FW has any Sapodillas fruiting at the moment?

Mike have you sampled fruit from your orange yet?