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| About the Author KathK perth 8th April 2009 6:54pm #UserID: 1744 Posts: 187 View All KathK's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mark says... Forgive me everyone please,, but I must say "Rubbish." ,,,, I have never been to Perth,but the way I grow plants has nothing to do with what climate or conditions they "Must Have" to grow in. I try to use the old 19th century philosophy that any plant from anywhere in the world CAN be Grown in one's Own area! It is only a matter of trying to recreate those conditions where you live! .... A bit difficult when it comes to trees planted in the ground,but I didn't say it was easy, just possible! Good Luck to those wgo try! | About the Author Mark12 Frankston,Vic. 8th April 2009 7:12pm #UserID: 1776 Posts: 61 View All Mark12's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Kath says... Hi Julie, I'm at Karnup between Rockingham & Mandurah in terrible sand. No frost but have been told by nursery people it's not cold enough for the real cherries. Haven't come across anyone who's tried acerola cherry.I'm afraid I don't agree with Mark re 'grow anything anywhere'-I had 6 years in Darwin-good luck if you want to grow walnuts there or mangos in Tassie!!! | About the Author KathK perth 9th April 2009 10:10pm #UserID: 1744 Posts: 187 View All KathK's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Minty Burns says... the minnie royal and royal lee are low chill cherries, www.davewilson.com www.flemings.com.au are the aussie agents, there is a 3 year waiting list for the trees. Despite the propaganda the hills do not grow good cherries. Bettenays at irymple have a hrad time and they are colder than most parts of this state including Manjumup. | About the Author 10th April 2009 11:39am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mark says... Firefly,, As I Said, "I have never been to Perth". So,I throw the question back at you, "How would YOU go about it,If You live there?" You know YOUR area better than I. You will able to work out what you can & cannot do. I stand by what I said that it IS Possible! No one said it's Easy! Good Luck,expect failures,but persevere & you WILL be successful!! | About the Author Mark12 Frankston,Vic. 15th April 2009 4:34pm #UserID: 1776 Posts: 61 View All Mark12's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mark says... Kath, I'm in Melbourne,NOT Perth! You are free to disagree with me if you choose. But I know that I am right. This is something that was BEING DONE over 400 Years ago! It became a sort of philosophy sometime in the 19th century. That is what I follow when gardening. Still too hard for you to believe,Kath? OK, Try something Simpler like altering the conditions to change/extend the seasons. Nature does this itself.& Mangoes in Tassie? Too EASY!! That is being Done as we type! It is just a matter of Creating the Conditions! Simple! (however,,,It does require that you be able to 'think'.) | About the Author Mark12 Frankston,Vic. 15th April 2009 4:44pm #UserID: 1776 Posts: 61 View All Mark12's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Kath says... Mark,you're really on a roll. Thanks for giving Firefly & I permission to disagree with you even though you are always right.I didn't really need a lecture on whether I could 'think' or not-I was simply asking Perth readers for their opinions on growing the normal old cherries you can get in the shops here at Christmas. Thanks Julie, Firefly, Joe & Minty for your constructive advice-it's nice to give/receive gardening tips which is what this forum's about,not being condascending to people like me who are still learning. | About the Author KathK perth 16th April 2009 4:51pm #UserID: 1744 Posts: 187 View All KathK's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Kath says... Hey John. don't worry about rubbing it in-my sister at Bathurst has a friend who has a cherry orchard & she gloats how they get them for months as they have so many different varieties. Meanwhile we pay $20+ kg except end of season when you may get $15/kg but they're ready for the chooks by then!! Enjoy your cheap cherrys & think of us Westerners! | About the Author KathK perth 16th April 2009 8:46pm #UserID: 1744 Posts: 187 View All KathK's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Grant says... Hi Kath, Have you tried some of the self pollinating varieties that may require much lower hours of chilling ?. Pretty Gully or Lapins... There are others but I can't think of them at the moment :) Some people go to extreme measures to produce cherries. I have heard of hanging bags of ice from branches, Heaping ice at the base of the tree. One Chinese guy I knew even hinted at placing a small branch in the freezer and grafting it on ??? :D I guess it's all about selection. If we could grow enough seedlings we would eventually find a tasty cherry that requires no chill at all, Or a Durian that can tolerate Frost. There is the Capulin cherry which is very closely related. If you can find a named variety..... Please tell me where you got it :) | About the Author 17th April 2009 7:56am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Liz says... Hi - does anyone know how many hours of chill "Pretty Gully" or "Lapins" (or any other "super-low-chill" varieties) require? I love cherries, too, but according to the WA Ag Dept, the Perth Coastal Plain only gets 287.8-346.7 (average 306.9) hours chill. The hills get 442.0-677.9 (average 521.6). I don't think I've seen any cherry varieties with less than 400 hours chill specified, but I haven't seen numbers for "Pretty Gully"... Cheers, Liz (Link copied below in case anyone else was having as much trouble as I was finding how many hours of chill there ARE in Perth - they also have listings for elsewhere in WA.) http://www.agric.wa.gov.au/content/HORT/FN/CP/POMEFRUITS/Winter_Chilling_Farmnote.pdf | About the Author Thornlie WA 17th April 2009 10:36am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Liz says... Hi again - I just found another thread on here about Pretty Gully cherries https://www.daleysfruit.com.au/forum/pretty-gully-cherry/ *** [on that thread]Bob says... Flemings are selling the Minnie Royal and Royal Lee varities (need both for pollination). 400 hours chilling. Check out www.davewilson.com *** ...sounds like the lower-chill ones should be ok in the hills, but those of us on the flats had probably better just deal with not being able to grow them! :-( ...or hope the acerola cherries taste like "real" cherries :-) | About the Author Thornlie, WA 17th April 2009 2:39pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mark says... Kath,I'm not always right,but thanks for saying so. If I bit your head off Kath,I do apologize.You got my comments right after I lost an arguement on a group site & I was still P,,,d off. You got the tail end of it & you didn't deserve that. Now, What I saidabout altering conditions is correct,but I ommitted that it is not for everyone's situation. It takes time & constant care etc. (I'm still not too good at it) Yes, I am in Melbourne,& I realize you required replies from Perth people. I replied to you,as I was curious about what you meanr by 'real'cherries. That's all. | About the Author Mark12 Frankston,Vic. 18th April 2009 11:54pm #UserID: 1776 Posts: 61 View All Mark12's Edible Fruit Trees |
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I'm not allowed says... Mark, do I understand this right? You don't understand what tree the original post was referring to (Prunus avium or Prunus cerasus, the common cherry, the little red stone fruit found in supermarkets around Christmas time) Despite this, you insist it can be grown successfully in a particular area. | About the Author Somewhere, Out There 19th April 2009 8:30am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Liz says... Hi - here's Liz's crazy idea from the weekend... I have been pondering Mark's comments in reference to the 19th century idea of growing things way outside their normal range - having read a few books on Victorian kitchen gardens and things, and how they used glasshouses (with woodstoves for additional heating if required) and cloches etc... I'm thinking that it's probably a whole lot easier to figure out ways of growing warm-climate things in cool climates (as for example the Victorians were doing in England) than it is to get cool-climate things to grow in warm climates. (...seems to be much easier to add heat to an area than to remove it.) Thinking about that, obviously airconditioners and fridges are designed to do precisely that, and with so many people switching to split-system A/C, there are some pretty cheap (and sometimes even free...) second-hand "through-the-wall" airconditioners out there. Also thinking of the fact that a surprising number of people actually get organised enough to do things like putting bird netting over their trees so that they actually get to eat the fruit, I was thinking that if someone in Perth was to plant a smallish, low-chill cherry tree, it would probably not be as horrifically impractical as it looks at first thought to drape it in plastic for month or two over winter, with the plastic tied around the airconditioner, to get the extra hundred-or-so hours of chill it would need to fruit. :-) ...obviously the electrics would need to be protected adequately from the weather, and it would need a nearby outdoor powerpoint - something like a lean-to on the outside of a shed might work - I guess you'd need an electrician to confirm the weather protection required. Also, you'd unfortunately have some greenhouse effect from the plastic, so you'd need the A/C to do more than just the existing chill shortfall - you might be able to minimise that using that green shadecloth/plastic stuff, or shadecloth over the plastic??? Still... it would be quite a lot of fiddling!!! ...anyone in Perth keen enough on cherries to try it? ;-) ...I think I'll stick to easier stuff myself - I have a hard enough time keeping everything watered! Cheers, Liz :-) | About the Author Liz Thornlie (Perth) WA 20th April 2009 2:47pm #UserID: 1639 Posts: 36 View All Liz's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Kath says... Thanks for the idea Liz but I think I'll go with the acerola cherry. I don't have air-con in my house so can't see me getting aircon in a planthouse-could buy an awful lot of cherrys for the price of the electricity. We are netting in our orchard over winter so hopefully I'll get the fruit & not the parrots this year for a change!!Like you.I think I'll stick to the easier stuff! | About the Author KathK perth 20th April 2009 11:02pm #UserID: 1744 Posts: 187 View All KathK's Edible Fruit Trees |
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trikus says... Grumichuma is a superb cherry substitute . Ever so soft and sweet , something you will never be able to buy at the stupor market . A little slow to start but really worth the wait. I know they grow well here in the tropics , and Mum has one finally bearing in sub-tropics . Certain I have heard of them bearing in north NSW . | About the Author Trikus Tully 21st April 2009 9:57am #UserID: 930 Posts: 749 View All Trikus's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Liz Thornlie (Perth) WA 21st April 2009 4:37pm #UserID: 1639 Posts: 36 View All Liz's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mark says... To Liz, "THANK YOU!". At least there is one person over there intelligent enough to think about & understand what I was trying to say. "Well Done Liz!" The way you put it,does sound like an easier read for people & you also applied it to your local area.I did not. What you have read about IS like what I was referring to. (I had in mind)those first delicate ferns from the tropics that were taken back to England & grown in the First terrariums(though they were called something else back then). I also recall that early Aquarists did much the same thing with Tropical fish,Before Heaters were invented! Obviously they succeeded! .... As Liz pointed out so well, it is easier to add heat than to take it away. But the point was folks,,"It IS Possible." (No one is saying that it's not a real pain in the A*****, though,because it IS!) One slight Variation from what Liz said though,if I may. .... I would say that it's easier to alter the growing conditions when working with what You've got in Your own environment,particularly if those conditions you have are stable. (but that's just a guess.) .... Thanks for Thinking About it Liz!! | About the Author Mark12 Frankston,Vic. 23rd April 2009 7:03pm #UserID: 1776 Posts: 61 View All Mark12's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Firefly says... Don't know for sure, but I suspect the "Bettenays" referred to by Minty Burns are: Bettenay A L & V A Orchardists Irymple Road ROLEYSTONE WA 6111 08 93975926 At least they're the most relevant results I can find on google. (It took longer to type this reply than to conduct the search!) | About the Author Penrith NSW 23rd April 2009 9:10pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Firefly says... Don't know for sure, but I suspect the "Bettenays at irymple" referred to by Minty Burns are: Bettenay A L & V A Orchardists Irymple Road ROLEYSTONE WA 6111 08 93975926 At least they're the most relevant results I can find on google. (It took longer to type this reply than to conduct the search!) | About the Author Penrith NSW 23rd April 2009 11:05pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mark says... Minty,, Where I am, it is very cold & apples do well. Some varieties also do well in sub-tropical climates! (I saw some growing when I was on holidays in Bali.) But, I would suppose the problems faced by orchardists/commercial growers are not the same as the person with an apple tree in their backyard. It would (I presume) be easier for the backyard grower to overcome some problems, like 'conditions'for example. But,, Not being a Commercial grower,I am Only guessing. | About the Author Mark12 Frankston,Vic. 2nd May 2009 3:41pm #UserID: 1776 Posts: 61 View All Mark12's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Liz says... Hi Kath (and anyone else who's interested), Wandilla Garden Centre (on Welshpool Road, east of Roe & Tonkin Hwys) has: * Acerola Cherry * Grumichama * Pitanga / Brazilian/Surinam cherry (same genus as Grumichama & Cherry of the Rio Grande) - although from Glowinski's description, I wouldn't bother with Pitanga - he REALLY didn't like it! ...anyone tracked down Cherry of the Rio Grande in Perth? Cheers... :-) | About the Author Liz Thornlie (Perth) WA 2nd May 2009 8:05pm #UserID: 1639 Posts: 36 View All Liz's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Liz says... Further to the above, Neville Passmore also describes the Pitanga (aka Brazilian cherry or Surinam cherry = Eugenia uniflora) as "somewhere between bloody horrible and OK" ...hmmm - I don't think I'll buy that one! (I don't think Daley's stock it, either, but I've seen it in at least one nursery in Perth.) http://www.wanatca.org.au/acotanc/Papers/Passmore-1/Author-n-Text.htm | About the Author Liz Thornlie (Perth) WA 2nd May 2009 8:58pm #UserID: 1639 Posts: 36 View All Liz's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Hi Kath, I have an Acerola - it tastes nothing like a cherry but i like it anyway. As for your sand...I highly recommend you get your hands on some clay, mush it up and get it into your soil (+ manure)- I have never looked back and don't need wetting agents anymore. It supplies potassium long term (low in sandy soil) and helps slow the water down for trees to take up (lasts indefinitely unlike water crystals). It also is essential for making humus - which i am starting to see now - 3yrs later. The best gardening book I have ever read is "Gardening down under" by Kevin Handreck from the CSIRO. I garden in an extreme climate with alkaline, salty, water repellent and sandy soils, strong ocean winds and 4oC - 42+oC and 200 - 450 mm annual rainfall (ie: I must be mad...) but I grow peaches, plums, apples etc and then jaboticabas, custard apples, all citrus, nuts etc and haver never done so in my life. As Kev says - gypsum can help remove salt from your soil. I use it a lot and have had no ill-effects at all so it won't hurt to try. Hooray for Kevin!! i am now trying a capulin cherry (plant is very vigorous - but don't know what it tastes like yet...) | About the Author amanda19 geraldton WA 10th May 2009 6:11pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Haider says... I had my Stella cherry tree for about 5 years planted in ground in an open area in the back yard with verity of deferent fruit trees. it is been flowring every year but falls all.3 years ago I had the only one fruit left in the tree till it bacame very black and nice big sweet.We celebrate it then,but since then no fruit stays in the tree at all.I feed it with animal organics and lots of blood and bones and when it is fruiting I feed it with NPK.With all of that I had no luck at all.Please help | About the Author Haider Perth Alexander Hts. 31st May 2009 2:13am #UserID: 2308 Posts: 4 View All Haider's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Randey - I have five of these coming shortly - do u have any tips on growing them at all? Yes - they cost a bloody bomb don't they!!....I have cedar bay cherries and jaboticabas which are doing ok - but I just have a gut feeling that maybe they would like a little bit more shade while they are young? Our sunlight hrs same as Perth but not as cold over winter. What are your thoughts? | About the Author amanda19 geraldton.WA 11th June 2009 9:13pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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randey says... haider, i would suggest sulphate of potash at time of flowering but remember not to go overboard with the npk, although it encourages leaf and bud growth too much and it will send it into shock and the flowers are the first to go. they are the most sensitive parts of the shrub. good luck | About the Author randey perth 15th June 2009 11:29pm #UserID: 2306 Posts: 104 View All randey's Edible Fruit Trees |
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randey says... to anyone who is having trouble with "chill factor". get youself a bottle of co2 and squirt the freezing gas at the branches for a few minutes (best done in winter as the plant is already in its dormant stage) and making sure you dont freeze the poor thing solid. hey you did say that you can grow anything anywhere. as for growing mango in tassie, build the ground up with piles of rotting mulch and enclose in a tent (made of plastic with breather holes) bingo you have yourself a miniature tropical environment with the mulch giving off much needed heat. ta da | About the Author randey perth 17th June 2009 7:45pm #UserID: 2306 Posts: 104 View All randey's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Not the other Mark says... Does any one know where one can aquire a pure "feral" Prunus avium? And some good old fashioned Damson Plums for that matter. As for the grow anything anywhere theory - probably possible - Google the Eden Project in Cornwall (photo). But you have to wonder whether the environmental costs sometimes outweigh the benefit of attempting to fit a square plug in a round hole. Surprising sometimes though how some plants will thrive in sites and regions that you would never suspect - Google Guyra tomatoes.
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Sue says... I live 200m from the beach in Esperance, so you could say my backyard is a sand dune. I planted a one meter tall Stella Cherry six months ago. It gets NO morning sun, only midday and afternoon sun. It gets wind all the time. I put large blocks of ice around the base of it while it was in flower. Give it plenty of bore water. Fertilise it about once a month with seasol and powerfeed. It didn't have a lot of fruit for its first year but what it did have was plump and sweet. Not even the 46 degrees temperature hurt the tree in January this year. I only hope it keeps growing the way it has so far. Goodluck | About the Author Sue17 Esperance WA 10th January 2010 4:36pm #UserID: 3230 Posts: 1 View All Sue17's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Trudy says... Hi, I planted a Stella Cherry a few months ago but am now doubtful if it will fruit - so I have ordered a Rio Grande from Diggers, Vic. I have problems with Fruit fly - both neighbours have fruit trees and do not spray - one leaves the problem to her chooks. Do cherrys have fruitfly? I suggest putting your cranberry in a pot -it cannot do any harm. I have a Macadamian tree which is loaded with nuts every year and would recommend this tree to anyone -no fruitfly or climate problems. | About the Author Trudy1 Bayswater 20th May 2010 11:31am #UserID: 2782 Posts: 14 View All Trudy1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Rev says... yes cherries get the fly, and birds love hem i can put my hand up for grumichama ive only eaten once in geraldton very good trees were?$12.50 at daleys brazil cherry is $#@!. please do not plant anymore of them. they are just fruit fly magnets try the capulin jeff nugent in nannup has them http://www.permacultureplants.net/ | About the Author Rev north qld 22nd June 2010 2:07am #UserID: 1806 Posts: 359 View All Rev 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Nicole says... I have self cherry tree Starkisma it has flowered for about 6 years with no cherries. I have been told that unless you have the required chiling at soil level you will not get proper flower formation so will not get fruit. I have a stella about 3 years old now. still no fruit. Some one suggested bury ice cream containers of ice in the root zone. I haven't tried it yet. I have a Morello (sour)cherry (prunus avium) that friuts very well. It has a lower chilling requirement and is self fertile. But I would still check the numbers of hours chilling required. If you don't mide your cherries a little on the tart side they taste like cherries. | About the Author Narellan(Camden )NSW 30th July 2010 5:12pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... allybanana says... Why not get togeather a bulk buy for the west coast of royal lee and minni royal low chill cherries 200-300 chill hours see http://www.davewilson.com/br10/catalog/cherry.html flemmings is the australian producer. http://www.flemings.com.au/default.asp. You need to buy a minnimum of 50 total and they said they only sell these varieties to orchadists. I am contemplating this for next year on the south coast as my family are apple orchadists. Someone could put out the word for who is interested, Do a bulk buy through a orchard they know and then distrubute the barerooted trees out by post to every one interested. A bit of work for the orderer packer and poster but perhaps they and the orchard could get a couple of trees for free. If you are interssted get your orchadist onto it ASAP as they are doing the grafting for next years trees now. | About the Author 30th July 2010 10:58pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Charles cant spell says... There is a Brazilian Cherry at the City Farm grounds in Perth. When I was there for a Permaculuture Show, Tom gave me a couple to taste, and thought it was very tasty, I guess its a bit of personal taste, specific plant and I am sure climate/location. I have a small tree going now. | About the Author Charlesstillcantspell1 Perth Innaloo 31st July 2010 1:11am #UserID: 2742 Posts: 411 View All Charlesstillcantspell1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Tom says... Hi Kath, hope you don't mind a little input from far away. We're in Orlando, Florida - nearly the exact opposite side of the globe from you and with a very similar climate to Perth - just offset six months. Our soils are sandy too - in some areas of our yard, it actually repels water. We've had great success with three Eugenia species, all of which are similar tasting to chill cherries. Eugenia aggregata - Cherry of the Rio Grande (named after the state in Brazil, not the river between Mexico & Texas). When the fruit are very dark red to almost black, they're at their sweetest with a very close taste to "market" cherries. We have one in full sun and the other in dappled shade, and they fruit about the same. Eugenia braziliensis - Grumichama. This is probably the one with the closest taste to a Bing Cherry, but there are little green leaves left on each fruit (left-over flower wings) which put some folks off. We just cut them off or deal with them (they're tasteless - it's a texture thing to some). One's in full sun, the other's in dappled shade, and the one in the sun fruits substantially more than the other. Eugenia uniflora var. Zill Dark - Black Surinam Cherry. This is a really sweet fruit - like a spicey cherry and smooth texture. Nothing like Red Surinam Cheries. Seems to have a lot of pectin and makes good pies. Once again, the one in the sun makes more fruit than the one in the shade, but not by much. We bought two of each to improve pollination, and that seems to have worked for us. We use only fish emulsion to fertilize and grass clippings to mulch and acidify the soil; and, after about three years, the sand has turned into water-retaining, black compost right under the plants (with occasional sifting with a hand fork). Wish you well!
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amanda says... Tom - what great information! Many of us are growing these plants (and in sand in western australia) Do u know if your Black Surinam Cherry is seed grown? Do u think it would come true to type? I have only seen the red ones (and have a red myself) mine hasn't fruited yet - but by all accounts they are not nice. Would love to hear what else u are growing? | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 31st July 2010 11:16am #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... Forbidden Fruits Nursery near me has the black Surinam Cherry listed as available. I took a drive down there today as I was having lunch at the Brunswick Heads Pub (owned by Strop and Delvene Delaney) but worse luck, they're closed on weekends. I think because he takes his trees to the local markets on Sat/Sun. Will definitely pick up a black fruited tree and hopefully have seeds to share down the track if anyone wants them. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 31st July 2010 6:24pm #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Tom says... Hi Amanda, it's always nice to hear from you and see that smiley picture of you! Our Black Surinams are grafted, but I don't know onto what stock. I was told that they don't grow true from seed, but I've never tried to see if it's true. I heard that you might get a red from a black seed. Our neighbor has a red hedge, so I've tasted hers; they're no comparison to the black ones - could've been a completely different fruit with a bit oily and gritty texture (like a sticky, spongy pear) and a lingering sharp aftertaste. (They make a nice xeriscape hedge, though!) I think you and I grow very similar things, and it took revamping the soils in some parts over a long time just like you did (just in a different way). We're successful with the eugenias; cattley guava; 'wonderful', 'white', and 'hoku botan' pomegranates; your country's davidsonia are taking well (thanks for the advice on them, by the way - and you too, Rev.); persian, indian sweet, finger, calamondin, and key limes; chinotto; variegated pink eureka, meyer, and sandokan lemons; limequats; several banana species; fuyu, giant fuyu, and tanenashi persimmons; hass avocado (by some miracle I reckon); anna and ein schemer apples; jaboticaba; yellow jaboticaba; hak ip lychee; tropical apricot (a dovyalis hybrid natural to Florida); ceylon gooseberry; african mallow (for salads and tea as well as looks - you'd love this one!); several species of passion fruit; all sorts of bamboos (some for shoots - some for looks); natal plum; and a few herbs (rosemary, chives, scrub mint). We've failed at most stone fruits like nectarines and peaches, dorsett apple, lavender (got one dying right now again in the heat and humidity), basil, parsely, cherimoya, real blood oranges, and beets. I wish we could do the Kaffir Plums and Sappotes like you, but I've heard they never do well here and haven't tried. There's one more I'm after - Barbados Cherry (Acerola); but we've run out of room on our downtown lot if we're going to keep any sort of order and aesthetic to it all, and I don't see a way (yet) to fit it in. Yours looks great! Cheers! | About the Author Tom Orlando, Florida 31st July 2010 9:25pm #UserID: 3912 Posts: 101 View All Tom's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Hi Tom - nice selection of plants there! I think I know what you mean about the red pitanga/surinam - maybe "astringent"/resinous? I have cedar bay cherry which tastes like this - not very nice. It must be very humid where u are - although lavender (and geraniums) usually die on me too (1km from beach). It would be worth giving the white sapote (Casimoroa) a try tho'? You may be surprised. Apparently the Lemon gold is more tropical in it's requirements. They say if u can grow citrus you can grow these guys.... Your California Rare Fruit Growers association would know. They have great info. | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 1st August 2010 8:19pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... I was disappointed with the taste my acerolas and brazil cherries in spite of enjoying them when I was a kid and they got the chop.My yellow and black gramichamas also won't set the world on fire and they are a long way removed from real cherries.Published accounts were too generous in their praise.I have never tried cherry of rio grande but read plenty published on them and wonder if they are substantially better than the above 'cherries'. | About the Author Cairns 28th June 2011 11:23pm #UserID: 5418 Posts: 1438 View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Peter says... A reminder that BJ found out that the low chill cherries Royal Lee and Minnie Royal (see previous post) will be available in Perth for 2012 - so no need to look for a substitude. However, Eugenias and Syzigiums are something different and it's an interesting taste by itself apart from cherries... | About the Author Peter36 29th June 2011 2:37pm #UserID: 5034 Posts: 213 View All Peter36's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mikey Mike says... I have a Starcrimson cherry tree in Perth I'm 2km from Hillaries Marina (Ocean)and I have had cherries for 4 out of 5 past years. The year I did not get cherries is because they dropped of in really hot weather when I did not water the tree enough. But it is a very slow growing tree! | About the Author 3rd July 2011 1:28am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Haider says... Rndey would it work if I use CO2.becouse I used everything, even ice on roots and hanging on branches all though winter last year but with all of that I could get one fruit left in the tree ,when the whole tree became white during flouring and lots of fruit then all gone but only one left to bacome very nice one like the one I had 6 years ago.by the way I work in commercial refrigeration,so I might install a freezer room on it in witer haha. | About the Author Haider 9th July 2011 2:25am #UserID: 2308 Posts: 4 View All Haider's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Liz says... blossom - you get significantly more winter chill hours in the hills than on the Perth Coastal plain (aka "the flats" for hills people). (Do you get reliable annual crops like that? I've heard that some people in Roleystone get good cherry crops in some years, and virtually nothing in others, depending on how cold the winter is.) Chrissy - I don't know of anyone successfully growing Stella on the Perth coastal plain. Your best bet would be to get hold of one of the new(ish) double-grafted Minnie Royal / Royal Lee ultra-low-chill cherries. I pre-ordered one at Dawson's last autumn to get one when they came in (which happened in late June), and I've been told Tass1 also take pre-orders. Mine is still a baby, so I can't personally vouch for its success, but the chill hours stated for it should be covered by what we get in Perth. | About the Author Liz Perth (Thornlie) 17th December 2015 12:41pm #UserID: 1639 Posts: 36 View All Liz's Edible Fruit Trees |
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blossom says... the laplan is reliable 10 years old tree get at least 2 kg from tree since its been about 4/5 years old. 7yo royal rainier is ok some years better than others. van is more reliable than bing but tend to get some years with small crop others with big crop bing has had 2 years of no crops. ron's seadling is a small croper on/off cropping I have mini royal/royal lee they are small we got in march heaps of flowers no fruit but understandable since only been in the ground since march my stella and sunburst died and I have not replaced them (burst pipe while on holidays no water for 2 weeks in jan.) I had them 4 years no fruit but they small trees still. my bing and van do better from ice placed once a week round thr bottom I freaze 3 icecream containers per tree for the 3 months of winter. getting better results I think my bing van and ron's seadling are 7 years old the laplan is 10 and the reat are new. they do better with good watering 2 we have done better cherrys now we have had the water tank 3 years. we always get some cherrys for christmas but this year was bumper. | About the Author blossom KALAMUNDA,6076,WA 28th December 2015 2:13am #UserID: 791 Posts: 17 View All blossom's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Backyard gardener says... Hi Kath Just reading comments on cherry trees in Perth. Have you found a supplier yet. I have been reading about low chill varieties Mini Royal and Royal Lee but not sure where to buy them. daleys don't send them over this way.. I have had great success with low chill apples here, so wanted to give the cherry tree a go. | About the Author Backyard gardener Port Kennedy 20th February 2019 5:28pm #UserID: 19840 Posts: 1 View All Backyard gardener's Edible Fruit Trees |
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blossom says... The only reliable cherry I have is low chill mini royal royal lee, some of the others give reduced crops aka 1/2 kg or so or none some years. have had 3 good reliable crops coming in just before Christmas on my 4 .5 year old tree oh did I mention it’s in a wine barrel and growing amazing. last year last year every cherry cropped some in the ground some are in pots, it was cold but this year not so good except mini royal royal lee. it’s true hills gets more cold I would not think flats cold grow Cherry’s but if they tryed I would try mini royal low chill I brought my original from Dawson’s in forest field but I brought my second one from Guildford garden center I also brought the trixi dwarf cherry and have had 1 years of crops from it but not sure it will crop all the time yet. | About the Author blossom CARMEL,6076,WA 21st February 2019 10:41am #UserID: 791 Posts: 17 View All blossom's Edible Fruit Trees |
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