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Shaun starts with ...
Is there a nursery in Perth that I could get this Chiku/Sapodilla plant?
The Wonder West Nursery in West Swan used to stock them, and the business had been closed since August this year.
Thanks.
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Rev says...
i used to see them in bunnings often
bunnings seems to have some loophole by which they get in eastern states stock, of fruit trees and cacti
whereas you and i would find it difficult
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Shaun says...
Thanks for the reply, Rev.
I'll try to enquire from Bunnings :-)
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Anonymous says...
Unfortunately Bunnings in WA could not get this sapodilla tree ....
any idea where else to get it, pls?
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Correy says...
You could always mail order them through daleys when they are ready for sale however if it was the only fruit tree you wanted sent to perth the freight and quarantine charges may cause it to be too expensive to be worth your while.

Daleys Sapodilla Trees - Achras sapota
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Leona says...
Try Wandilla Nursery - in Kelmscott/Wattlegrove, they stock tropical fruit trees, many of which you cant get elsewhere...if not, perhaps they can order one in. Antoher one to try, where I have also found tropical fruit trees (which where unavailable elswhere) was Waldecks on Vine (in the Swan Valley). Hope that helps!!!
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rev says...
hey
i tasted them in geraldton
both locally grown and from coles fruit section

i never was impressed, though they will grow there

they grow from seed fairly well too as an option
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Anonymous says...
I didn't know you could buy them from Coles .... are they available from any Coles supermarket in Perth ?
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San says...
I sometimes see this Chiku fruit in Sydney's Paddy's Market.

Didn't realised they could be readily grown from seed .....
the delicious varieties are Sawo Manila and Krasuey ..... I find some of the un-named varieties (those I tried in Malaysia and Singapore) to be too "grainy" in its texture.
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Shaun says...
Thanks Rev,
I didn't realise they "grow from seed fairly well".
I suppose the fruits from seedlings are rather variable in quality compared to named varieties.

Does anyone know how long it would take before a seedling plant begins to bear fruit ?
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rev says...
true. as noted above they may be grainy
perhaps thats why i wasnt too impressed

its still and intersting tree - the bubble gum tree!

you cant always get them from coles. but coles does have what seems and australia wide policy of stocking wierd stuff

therefore for the geographically challenged it can be a good place to get seeds
back in the day i grew choc sapote, abiu, limes, mammey sapote, passionfruits, lychee,caimito, jakfruit rambutan, longan, chiku, turmeric, galangal, chinese Ya pears, californain dates,arguta berries and dragon fruit from pits from their exotic secton in the fruit n veg
most of these i left behind at past residences, but they sure grew, and no doubt someone is enjoying some of them

they also stock gourmet mushrooms which can be cloned

they dont always have a great selection but i keep the habit of checking in..
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Shaun says...
I had been checking Coles and Woolworths for the past few weeks, but alas, still no signs of sapodilla fruits :-(

I was in Bunbury last week and Woolworth was having a special on Lychee @ approx $3.00 per kilo !!!
Woolworth in Collie had Longan in its cold shelves.

So, if anyone comes across the sapodilla fruits in the supermarkets, please post in this forum to advise.

Thanks !!
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San says...
I have not seen Chicku in Paddys Market in Sydney this year.
So can't help you.
Sorry.
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John says...
hay carnt buy them in SA, from coles or anywhere else that I seen. Lychee for $3kg, I take 20 please, usually around $15 here if fresh.
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Anonymous says...
It seems the variety sapodilla trees have been out of stock for a long while .... only seedling plants are available, and fruits of these seedlings are supposedly rather unpredictable.
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Shaun says...
Has anyone ever grown this sapodilla tree in Perth?
Please share your experience if you have/had tried growing this tree in WA.
Thanks.
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Anonymous says...
There do not seem to be much interest in Sapodilla in Perth ?
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juanita says...
Has anyone ever tried to grow chico/sapodilla from seeds in Melbourne? any success?
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Shaun says...
Don't know much about Melbourne, juanita ....
but if you propagate it in late spring/summer time with 'heated base' set up (as shown in Gardening Australia a wee while ago for propagating tropical trees/shrubs from seed), then I s'pose you could have some success ....
Good luck !!
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Shaun says...
Any comments on Chiku/Sapodilla from people in Perth/WA ??
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chickadee says...
Have bought them around beginning of Sept in a little shop in William st. before, so a little wait and they will have them again, hopefully. Someone is growing them succesfully, but there are only a handful available.
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Shaun says...
You got Chiku friits @ William St / Northbridge ?
WOW .... which shop ?
Would like to get some too.
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Shaun says...
in http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/forum/non-fruiting-sapodilla1/

Kath says...
"From Susanna Lyles book - Discovering Fruit and Nuts, page 282
Flowers may be self-infertile, so you may need more than one trees. Insect pollinated: mostly by thrips, which live within the flowers and move onto a new flower once the food reserves have been depleted, inadvertently taking pollen with them. Pollination may be a problem in some locations, although bees will do some. Fruit-set is very variable and many flowers do not develop into fruits."

Does that mean that I need to acquire 2 plants before I get any Chiku or Sapodilla fruit ?
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tr says...
NO . one tree at Childers bore lots of fruit for my mother .
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Kath says...
I have a Krasuey and it sets well on its own, as I love the brown sugar flavoured fruits, I have made room for another sapodilla in my orchard with the hope that both trees will set more fruits for me.
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Chickadee says...
Shaun,
forgotten the name of the shop, but not to worry, I am keeping a CLOSE eye on any shop that will stock this mouthwatering fruit! Will post when I find them, promise.
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chickadee says...
Sad news is apparently the big tree is not fruiting this year. But the good news is.... have found a packet of frozen Sapota slices or Indian Chikoo, Vadilal brand. Bought them from Prime Products Northbridge. It's a good fix for an addict ;-)
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trikus says...
I have some seeds from these fruits I just got ,, not the best tasting one I have had , but good . pinanga at gmail will get you an address to send some stamps for seeds . Seems to be only 2 per fruit ,, 0ne down 2 to go ,, will be ripe on Wed. I am predicting ..
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P gill says...
I have this chiku tree in my garden.It has not flowered It is approx. 7yrs old.Can anyone out there tell me what is wrong.
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HappyEarth says...
Sounds like you might have a seedling tree ... they can take up to ten years before they will flower especially when growing in marginal areas like SYdney. How tall is it?

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Ellen says...
Those of you in Sydney area, and you wants some Sapodilla/chiku fruits,,,now it's in season at the Cabramatta shopping markets,,,,quite a few shops have them down there.
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Anonymous says...
Does anyone know where in Melb can I get frozen Sapodilla/chiku fruits (I've tried a few Indian groceries but no luck)
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Tran says...
Those of you in Melbourne area, and you wants some Sapodilla/chiku fruits,,,now it's in season at the Springvale shopping markets,,at least one shop has them down there for $15 per kg
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Bella says...
Hi Ellen, or anyone in the sydney area, I'm in need of Sapodilla for a presentation for uni, can anyone be more specific on where to find it? I live north of Sydney and am happy to catch a train down, but Im just not sure where in Cabramatta or other parts of sydney to buy Sapodilla
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Tran says...
You could go to Asian groceries in Cabramatta where you could find any tropical or exotic fruit and vegies.
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Michael says...
I live in Cabramatta and you can get Sapodilla from the various fruit stores along and around John St which is the main street through town right next to the train station ( West Side of the Station )- It's not called "Sapodilla" but more like "Sapote "

Hope this helps!
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HappyEarth says...
hey Michael, is there any other rare/tropical fruits on sale up in cabramatta like jakfruit etc?

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Michael says...
You can get most of the exotic fruits from South East Asia at Cabramatta and at very reasonable prices. Availability all depends on the season of course. Fruits that I have seen included jakfruit,star apple,lychees,longan,paw paws,mangoes both green and yellow,dragon fruit,sapodilla,finger bananas,mangosteen,rambutans,custard apple,carambola,soursop ,pumello, ambarellas and young coconuts. If you rather save on money then most of these fruits are availabe in cans as well. Betel leafs are also plentify here
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Chickadee says...
Sapodilla and Black Sapote are grown succesfully in Carnarvon, WA. and are available from the local growers mart I found out recently. Went there a few years ago but only saw banana and mango plantations.
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RolFlor a says...
To SHAUN :
Sapodilla seedlings may take from 5 to 8 years to bear,according to the author of one book.
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Raj says...
Anyone knows if i can get chiku in brisbane area???
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kim says...
Raj, I got mine from Templex Nursery in Algester. Phone no. 32737987
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Shaun says...
Thnx fer the info, RolFlor a :-)

I got a Sawo Manila from Daleys recently .....
It is a marcotted plant ..... hope it will bear sooner than seedling plants.
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RolFlor a says...
Grafted varieties usually take two to three years to fruit,according to the same book.
My grafted 'Tropical' variety will have taken six or seven or maybe even eight years to fruit.
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HappyEarth says...
Looks like a nice healthy tree Rolf - how tall is it?

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shaun says...
Is there a difference between marcotted and grafted plants?
How long will it take for a marcotted plant to start bearing fruits?
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Kath says...
A marcott is the same as an air layered plant, it is sort of like a big cutting. A grafted plant has a rootstock, therefore it is the union of two plants, a seedling on the bottom and then a piece off a mature tree on the top. Both marcott and grafted plants will flower and fruit much sooner than seedling trees.
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Shaun says...
Thank for the info, Kath.
Much appreciated.

Just one more question .... is there any difference between the vigour of marcotted plants and grafted plants?

:)
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Dr.Ganesh Bhat says...
Chikku (Sapota) can fruit from single tree without the need of second pollinator tree. Chikku tree in our home in India is more than fifty year old and still yeilds plenty of fruits twice a year. I am growing the seedling in Perth bought from Daleys to see how it performs.
I know two varieties of chikku; one is rounded shape the other is of oval shape. Both varieties taste the same. Will get the picture of them during my next trip to India.
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Shaun says...
Namaste, Ganesh.
Thanks for sharing your experience on Chicku trees .....
I like the oval Philippino variety Sawo Manila, and the Thai oval variety Krasuey .... their flash is much less gritty in texture, and very sweet.

Have you got an email or contact phone so that I may get in touch ith you, please?
I believe you were looking to form a shipping syndicate a little while back.
I would like to order 2 plants from Daleys, and I wonder if you had already ordered your plants.
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denise says...
I am growing some seedlings as they do good in containers-a barrell in this case.Luckily they are a variety that doesnt have a sharp hook at the end of the seed that could be dangerous to someone not used to sharp seeds.
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Fiona says...
I purchased a very small Sapodilla from Wonder West before it closed in 2007. My tree is in a pot and has grown a lot in two years. Last years fruit is still hanging on the tree getting bigger and this years fruit is already developing, so they definitley do well in Perth. I am in Mandurah and also have a Black Sapote which is three years old and has fruit. Try this nursery in the Swan Valley for Sapodillas.
http://www.tass1trees.com.au
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aneh says...
go to blooming nursery near joondalup i know he has many chiku there
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Sharma says...
Can any body tell me how to grow sapote from the seed??
I live in Melbourne so it is cold nowadays??
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Liz says...
Hi everyone,

I'm pretty sure I saw some in Wandilla Garden Centre (Welshpool Road, east of Tonkin Hwy & Roe Hwy) today... :-)

They actually have a great range of fruit and nut trees! (...lots more than Tass1!)
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juanita says...
Hi Sharma,

The best time to propagate white sapote from seeds is during spring when the weather starts to warm up...I kept my seedlings in a propagating raising mix & later on transferred them into premium potting mix...They seem to grow very slow tho...
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Shaun says...
My Sawo Manila sapodilla that I bought from daleys is growing very well in a pot .....
it has grown more than twice its size in the last 6-9 months, despite being planted in a large pot .....
any tips on how to ensure its survival this winter ?
All comments appreciated .... thanks !!!
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Ellen says...
how big will the Sawo Manila sapodilla tree grow up to ? may I asked .
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Shaun says...
In Asia, it could get up to 5-6 m ....
You could control the growth by yearly pruning.
I have friends who grow sapodilla in large tubs, and the height is approx 2 m.
The wood of sapodilla trees is rather 'soft' compared to lemon or apple trees.
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Rima says...
Is is hit or cold for body
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Mehrish says...
hi all,
I have been here in Melbourne since 3 yrs and i have never seen sapodilla any where
My father is a farmer in India and we have over a 5000 trees of saposilla AKA chiku in India Gujarat
I want to import sapodilla to Australia but i am having problems with information about importing this fruit to Australia
It would be a big help if anyone is able to help me on how to import sapodilla to australia
Thanking You,
Mehrish Malik
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Mehrish,

We have them in Australia, there are plenty of this fruits in Melbourne and Sydney at the moment. They are in season now, sold for $15 a kilo in Asian shops Springvale, Richmond and Footscray
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Annie says...
Sydney now:sapodilla $11 kg,Canistel $14 kg.
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Shaun says...
Now that the weather has got warmer, my Sawo Manila Sapodilla is sprouting out some new leaf-shoots :-)
It's older leaves went yellowy-brown along the edges during the winter months ..... I s'pose it was suffering from the cold then.
Hope to get more growth from the plant this season.
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Aussie in India says...
I'm an Australian living in India, with my Indian-born husband and father-in-law.

My father-in-law splits his time between Bombay and his farm in Gujurat where he grows Chikoo (Sapodilla) fruit, mangos, and coconuts.

My father-in-law and I are interested in exporting Sapodilla seedlings/young trees to Australia.

My father-in-law is also interested in potentially acting as a consultant for Australian Sapodilla growers, given the 30+ years he's spent growing them and distributing their fruit.

Please let me know if you're interested in exploring any of these opportunities with us.

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Shaun says...
My Sawo Manila sapodilla now has approx a dozen flower buds .....
some buds have bloomed .....
I am keeping my fingers crossed, in hope that these flowers will set fruits !!
Pls wish me luck !
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Best of luck to your sapodilla. May the tree give you lots of fruits.
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Thanh An says...
are you still looking to buy . I've just bought a seedling sapodilla in Templex Nursery , Algester.
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trikus says...
1 little fruit in a few years for this grafted Sawo manila tree . Approx 2m tall now and well established , hope for a good crop next year.
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John Mc says...
There's a nice little Chiku / Sapodilla not far from my place. It's just over 1 metre tall and is prolific in fruits every year. I keep forgetting to ask him how old the tree is. It's very small, already has small fruits the size of marbles on it for next years crop. If you google Budgewoi, you will find it's approximate location.
As soon as I tasted one of these I placed an order to Daley's forthwith. It really tasted like sweet brown sugar, there was no grittyness with the fruit I tasted either. The only let down, but not a problem, was the latex sap that sticks to the top of your mouth for the rest of the day.
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cresbec says...
Hi everyone,

Can anyone tell me if you can successfully grow Sapodilla's in Sydney? I absolutely love this fruit and would love to grow it at home, I'm in two minds on whether to order the sapodilla seedling (available) or wait for the Krasuey variety? Any feedback/tips would be greatly appreciated :)
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HappyEarth says...
Hey Cresbec, my grafted sapodilla I bought from daleys is 3 years old and fruiting at the moment (wollongong). I find them very hardy and easy to grow

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Shaun says...
My 2-year old (I got it from Daleys 2 years ago) Sawo Manila flowered and had small 'fruits' last season, but did not set fruit bcos of 3 days of extreme heat in Perth that dried out many of the flower buds.
My tree till has 3-5 flower buds at the moment, but I reckon it will not last bcos it is now winter time, and the flower buds may wilt/rot away.
I was told sapodilla does not need cross-pollination, that is, they are self-furtile .... is that correct?
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HappyEarth says...
Yep ... they are self-fertile.
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HappyEarth, how cold does it get in Wollongong?

My father used to own a chiku plantation in India and he's told me colder regions in India that have Chiku's growing only have one crop a year. We had three crops a year but our area was much more tropical.
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HappyEarth says...
Where i live average min. in winter is 7 degrees but occasionally gets down to 2 degrees. Id be happy with just one crop a year :)
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Shaun says...
In cold and temperate climate, it is important to have the pollinating agents (bees?) to be available when the plant come into flower.
Otherwise you don't get much fruit, unless uou hand-pollinate the flowers (like they so with custard apples).
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amanda says...
My sapodilla is a seedling and it flowered within months of planting (nothing came of them tho') but I don't know how old it was when I bought it. It has been 5oC overnight for days now and 1.7 on w/end - all my subtropicals seem ok with this so far - even the artocarpus!
I have bok choy that has gone to flower and the bees are just going mad for it...I have to pull it out cos I can't get into the veg patch to work :-O

My yellow flowered rocket the same...do bees have a thing for yellow?
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Jas says...
Hi "Aussie in India" , I am looking to import "Sapodilla" in Australia. Just wondering if your Father in law is still up for it. Please post here.
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Violet_Cactus says...
I have several very fresh Sapodilla seeds. I know they are unlikely to grow here in Melbourne so I'd like to swap with anyone who lives in warmer climes who would like to grow them.
I'll swap them for seeds or plants of any temperate-climate edible plant that I don't already have (and I have quite a few) so if you'd like seeds, post a list of your swappables here or at my email address angavar (at) yahoo (dot) com
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Aussie in India says...
Attention JAS: I didn't get this msg (re: you wanting more info. on importing Sapodilla's to Oz from India) until today, Jan 18th, 2011. So much for "forum operational efficiency". Please email me direct...swan libby (no spaces) at yahoo, etc.
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vandana says...
I have picked some good number of chickoos but do not know what is the process to ripe them... Any tips?
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J says...
Vandana they should ripen over the course of a week or two. Just check them for softness. The softer they are, the riper they are.
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AMSP says...
Dear Swan(user id 3187),

Please let me know you full email id...

have a great day ahead:)
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Arun says...
Hi Guys,

Really surprised to find so many sailing in the same boat as me to get Sapodilla tree or seeds..I have been looking for it for a while too.. Can anyone in Sydney help???Here is my Email ID - prakash.power at gmail dot com.

Thanks,

Arun
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amanda says...
Arun - when they are in season - you should be able to pick up the fruit from markets or good F&Veg stores...you can get seed that way I guess.
I even saw them in Woolies once...

Have u checked the Daleys catalogue for a plant tho'..?
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shaun says...
I got my tree from Daleys.
It has flowered for the past 3 seasons, and I get 'fruits' for the past 2 seasons, but the Summer in Perth is too short for the fruits to ripen, and they fall off as the colder Autumn weather approaches.
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amanda says...
oh - that's not good news shaun? Cuongs' parents have a tree in Perth and didn't have that problem - but it was pretty big. Can't remember the thread the info is in though.
I have a few fruit trying to mature on mine as well....fingers crossed!

I wonder if anyone else has this problem...?
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Mike says...
Sand/grit is a quality that is shared with bad asian pears and bad sapodillas.The big old Florida varieties like Russell and Prolific are smooth but lacking in flavour and poor bearers.Thai krasuey like many philipine types is smooth, sweet and a good bearer.Apparently the big new (last 20 years) mexican and US types are even better and India has greatly improved many of their types.They are pretty cold,drought and salt tolerasnt trees.
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Peter says...
Will the BKD110 cultivar fruit and develop good flavour in Perth?
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Mike says...
Good question.I had a BKD 110 and it was almost as good as krasuey and fruited moderately when 2m tall but died for no apparent reason.Summers should be warm enough for sweet fruit and I think it will alright.They can fruit continuosly here.It is a Singapore variety I think.
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Peter says...
Thanks, Mike. Certainly the summers in Perth are hot and the vegetative growth is fine for Sapodilla in general here. I also see this by past posts reporting about this plant - thanks Perth forum people.
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fruitist says...
Mike, Thailand has a variegated leaf variety of Sapodilla. I have a few seedlings. You might want your wife to bring some back.
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fruitist says...
Don't know the source in Thailand. I think you can't tell by the look of the fruits that are sold in markets there. The person who gave me the seeds toured with top hoticultural officials in Thailand.
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Mike says...
The officials are crafty and won't show you or give you the good stuff I found.She is hesitant after my run in at Sydney airport with AQIS.They laughed at my icon printouts,copy of their Act,permission from the Plant Program in Canberra and in spite of this my irreplaceable permitted seeds were destroyed with a bullet.The months of subsequent apologies and promises to discipline the officers are still sand in my vaseline.
I will coerce her to look for them.
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fruitist says...
Same experience here. My carefully cleaned yellow rambutan seeds andf other seeds confiscated a few years ago when my daughter brought them in and declared properly. I gave the Customs a lecture or two after that failed attempts. They are not cluey about AQIS list etc. Talk to Kerry Mc and others in FNQ about their successful effort in retrieving the situations but don't publish here.
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fruitist says...
My daughter and her friends spent about 2 hours cleaning and picking every tiny bits of pulp from those clinging seeds like Rambai/Tampoi. I was not impressed when I arrived late at the airport to pick her up. Otherwise I would have barged into the Customs office and demanded the seeds back.
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Mike says...
Yes I know she told me and I'm wiser now after being swindled twice.Hard to kick goals with roving goalposts.It is like rechewing gum to go back and do it again.If I see tropical garlic,tropical asparagus,sumalee sala,improved thai suagr apples etc for sale together at the markets I'll have a raised eyebrow.
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fruitist says...
Oh, my daughter even got a stern warning and lecture from the Customs about not to bringing any seeds as if it is illegal and criminal thing. Since that incidence, I make a point of giving them back when I got called into the Customs office at the airport.
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Mike says...
I even told security to arrest them for breaching the Quaratine act in my hand.No border security cameras when you need them.I had the icons,permitted seeds list,seed photos and contact numbers from AQIS officers who advised me before, and they still laughed.Enough bile I suppose and other ports go by the rules.
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fruitist says...
Most Customs wouldn't know what to do with seeds. They just want to seize them at the first sight but I know a few people who brought in vegetable seeds and declared on the entry cards but the officers were not interested to check. I think I got picked on when I returned from Egypt recently (Eqypt is on African continent but not for special quarantine rules which apply to all African nations). The officer then let me go after my wife got through ok by another officer. Some officers just want to randamly pick on people. I have some clean cut businees friends coming in from overseas and they got picked on.
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John Mc says...
You could always swallow the seeds before checking in, lol, takes AQIS right out of the picture.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Just be careful with Sapodilla seeds tho, they have a nasty little hook on them which could get caught anywhere along the digestive tract.
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fruitist says...
Those hooks in the picture are quite pronounced and nasty. The seeds of the variegated variety ex Thaliand didn't have any kink or hook. Some seeds like Wongai Plum also have a bit of a hook. See the picture.
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Shaun says...
My Sawo Manila Chicku/Sapodilla tree will be 3 years old this Summer (2011/2012). I bought it from Daleys.
In the past years, it had a few flowers during Spring time.
Last year, several flowers set fruit, but the very small unripe fruitlets dropped off the branch when the weather cooled in late Autumn / mid Winter.
This year, it did not start to flower until late Summer. So, I thought it would not set any furit, and any immature fruitlets would dropped off like previous the year.
To my surprise, 1 small fruitlet managed to survive this Winter, and has even grown bigger !! I discovered this Chicku / Sapodilla fruitlet when I was taking photos of my Starfruit / Carambola.
So, here is a picture of the surviving Chiku / Sapodilla fruit left on the tree, which is planted in a pot:
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amanda says...
Hi Shaun - nice surprise :) Maybe now it's older u may have more success? Mine has about 8 fruits and they survived winter no problems at all, up here (has got down to 4oC lowest) I think my tree may be a little older though.
I am curious to see if it will flower this year - as it has these fruits already...they take forever to ripen??

One is about half the size of a mature fruit now - and it's been there for at least 6 months (can't remember when it set - it might be last summer...)
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Mike says...
My sawo manila and prolific are rather shy producers but flower several times a year.By contrast 2 krasueys have fruited continually since summer with crops at 3 stages right now.In the last 2 weeks the weather got way hotter with minimums around 20 and maximums 28-31 and all the sapodillas have loads of flowers.
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amanda says...
It's a very versatile fruit tree hey Mike? Such a wide range of temps it is happy in - and I find it handles salinity and wind very well. I am guessing there wouldn't be that many trees that flower and carry fruit at the same time either..?

Mine is only a meter tall... :)

I wish I knew what flavour it is - it didn't even have a tag, at all, when I got it from Wandilla nursery - has anyone else bought one from there too?
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Mike says...
Amanda I spent a long time checking the taste and productivity of about 20 varieties from those I grew and from the kamerunga variety trials.It might be valid for FNQ only but I think I have it a bit sorted now.After you ditch the granular fruiting and bland types,those that are poor bearers or are sloppy there are only a few good ones left.Krasuey is best,bkd110 is also very good with sawo manila,prolific,brown sugar and tikal being quite reasonable.Fruits vary in many characters the the difference between good and bad is dramatic.
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amanda says...
Good info Mike...I guess it's a waiting game 4 me then. This is the frustrating part of buying trees - the long wait to find out if u have a dud or not...
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nick giancola says...
Hi Shaun
I have been reading with interest that you and others have bought these trees from Daleys but i hae inquired and been told the do not ship to WA.
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Peter says...
Tass 1 Trees and Wandilla in Perth have them.
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Peter says...
How well do these plants reprout after cutting them down near to the ground?
I think of trying to graft the BKD110 after stumping a seedling (not likely the fruits of the seedling will be better than the BKD110).
But I don't want to loose the seedling either, if the should graft fail...
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nick giancola says...
Thanks for that Peter.
Much appriciated .Happy new gardening year to all.
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amanda says...
WooHoo..my first sapodilla finally ripened! It was a little soft (is this the go for eating?) but I loved it :) Mine had a sweet dark brown sugar - with cinnamon overtones - type of flavour?

Flesh has a similar texture to a custard apple. (ps - a smooth seed - no hook also..)

Well worth the wait. And what a great hardy plant.

Has anyone had any problems with fruit fly and this fruit?
(mine in shade house so I didn't net and it was F.fly free)
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Nick says...
Thats great news, im extremely jealous! I tried a few in Malaysia for the first time and I was immediately hooked (so was the seed)- very sweet and definitely a very similar texture to custard apple although a bit more grainy. What variety is yours amanda, im planning on buying one from here (they only have a cultivar called "Tropical" at the moment).
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Mike says...
Some are granular and extra sweet, such as brown sugar variety and the flesh colour varies alot(reddish,beige or even olive shades of brown).Tropical is a shy bearer but tastes alright.Krasuey,BKD10,makok and sawo manila are productive and good quality.When the skin loses its 'scurf' they can be picked.
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amanda says...
I don't know Nick - mine didn't have a label at all...I got it from Wandilla nursery in Perth about 2 yrs ago - maybe someone else here has theirs?

I don't mind the texture at all...I am not that fussy when it comes to a yummy fruit (I can't stand the texture of oysters or jelly...so slimy and snot-like...thus grainy works for me!? lol)

I certainly wouldn't describe mine as 'sand' tho' - but I have never tried another to compare to..? The flavour was so intense and it made me think of coffee for some reason...? I could just imagine it in tiramasu... :) (if that makes sense..? it reminded me of the tiramasu saviodari (spelling?) sponge fingers - after they have soaked up all the flavours...)

a dash of Tia Maria or Kahlua would be a great 'sprinkle' for this fruit..hmnnnn... ;-D

I am hooked anyways...
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Peter says...
Amanda,
is your tree grafted?
If you try to figure what you bought in Wandilla, from my memory he normally has seedlings and grafted cultivars Tropical, BKD110, Sawo Manila, Brown Sugar and maybe one or two more others, so could be any of those and I don't know if the differences between them are obvious.
If you still have the old pot, sometimes they write the name on it...
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amanda says...
Hi Peter, it's not grafted..but it was a nice size when I bought it...it flowered as soon as I planted it - my guess would be marcotted...a seedling would take much longer than that?

All it had was 'Sap' written on the tree sack. I guess the smooth seed is one clue..

All of those sound ok to me Peter! :) Thanks for the info.
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Peter says...
Hi Amanda,
I think it must be a seedling then, otherwise they would have written the cultivars name on the bag (A grafted one sells better - so they would have make sure, they correctly write it on the bag if it would be a grafted one). Marcotting of sapodillas is not commonly done because it is difficult to do so I think. It still makes sense that the tree flowered straight away as they grow rather slow and the nice sized potted plant might have already reached an age of several years, old enough for a sapodilla seedling to flower.
Sometimes seedlings can turn out very well, and you have picked one with the right genes for a smooth seed! Would be great if the plant is equal to fruit quality and yield to grafted ones as well...
It makes me thinking now, if I should give my seedling a go.
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amanda says...
Hey Peter - I am going to plant the two seeds I got from the fruit anyway..apparently u can graft on to these if all else fails.
It was the only one left at the nursery, at the time.

I only have one - and it has numerous fruit even now - as well as flowering at present - don't know how it pollinates? It's still not really big...only a meter tall maybe - but carrying enough fruit for me to have to stake it...

It needs some kind of pruning for sure...mine is a lopsided plant with it's heavy fruit!? My 1st fruit took forever to ripen..maybe a year? Is that normal?
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Peter says...
Pollination could be similar to the miracle fruit, where pollen from the same flower is suspected to just fall down and stick to the stigma.
To estimate when my seedling could get into flowering - how thick is the trunk on groundlevel of your plant? Double-pencil thickness or more?
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The holidays have come and gone, and hopefully those of us who made New Year’s resolutions can bring them to fruition in 2012. For many of us, our goals are aimed at living healthier lives and becoming stronger, happier and more energetic.

If you ate too many sugary treats during the holidays, sugar cravings may still be dancing in your head.Luckily, you can shrink your sweet obsession and trim your waistline with some easy, natural solutions that tame blood sugar, one such treat is called chikoo/chiku/sapota in India. Scientifically referred to as Manilkara zapota, the English name of the chikoo fruit is Sapodilla.

Native to southern Mexico, Central America and the West Indies. It is grown in huge quantities in India, Mexico and was introduced to the Philippines during Spanish colonisation. Rich Source of – Antioxidants, vitamins A & C, potassium, copper, iron and vitamins like folate, niacin and pantothenic acid.

Health Benefits
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Sapodilla fruit nullifies the effect of free radicals formed as a result of various biological reactions, leading to tumors and cancer.

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Consumption of Sapota helps to keep congestion and chronic coughs at bay, since its an expectorant aiding in removal of mucous and phlegm.

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Its high Vitamin A content ensures that your eyes remain healthy.

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Sapodilla fruit also helps in regulating the secretion of gastric enzymes, thereby regulating metabolism which indirectly benefits any weight loss and obesity prevention goals.

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Sapodilla is also diuretic in action. It helps in the removal of waste materials from the body by frequent urination. It also helps maintain the water concentration of the body, preventing edemas or water retention.

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Its also an anti-inflammatory agent; this means that it can be used to prevent gastritis, and irritable bowel syndrome.

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Chikoo is rich in carbohydrates and high nutrition content, which is essential for pregnant and lactating mothers, it is often prescribed to help reduce weakness and symptoms of pregnancy such as nausea and dizziness.


Nutrient Value: Ideally a raw sapodilla about 150-170gms can provide the approx nutrient values;




Nutrients
Calories (kcal) 141.1
Carbs 33.93 Grams Protein 0.75 Grams
Fat 1.87 Grams
Cholesterol 0 Mg
Fiber 9.01 Grams
Water 132.6 Grams

Minerals
Calcium 35.7 Mg
Iron 1.36 Mg
Magnesium 20.4 Mg
Phosphorus 20.4 Mg
Potassium 328.1 Mg
Sodium 20.4 Mg
Zinc 0.17 Mg
Copper 0.15 Mg
Manganese 0 Mg
Selenium 1.02 Mcg

Vitamins
Vitamin C 24.99 Mg
Thiamin 0 Mg
Riboflavin 0.03 Mg
Niacin 0.34 Mg
Pantothenic acid 0.43 Mg
Vitamin B-6 0.06 Mg
Folate, total 23.8 Mcg
Vitamin B-12 0 Mcg
Vitamin A 102 IU
Vitamin E 0.43 Mg_ATE

Lipids
Saturated Fatty Acids 0.33 Grams
Monounsaturated Fatty Acids 0.89 Grams
Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids 0.02 Grams









Note: Contrary to popular belief chickoo is not fattening. In fact the fruit is fat free and its rich sweetness is an excellent way to curb sweet cravings.

Trivia: The bark of the sapodilla tree secretes milky white and gummy latex, which is used in the manufacture of chewing gums.

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Kindly note: This offer is valid till 31st Jan,2012.

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Miranda says...
Here is a sapodilla tree with full of fruits in an appartment garden in southern China city.
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amanda says...
Interesting pic Miranda. Does anyone know how these guys respond to hard pruning? I didn't realise they got a bit whippy looking like white sapotes too?
Do f/fly infect sapodillas? (mine in shade house still - so no problem)
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amanda says...
Thanks Mike :) Shame about the f/fly :( Do u think that prunings could planted as cuttings? (if the prunings are left to dry a little like with other latexy plants like frangipani etc)..?
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amanda says...
Oh :( We grow frangipani and a devils thorn (or whatever it's name - ultra latexy tho) from cuttings often, with no problems? As long as they dry the cutting wound - usually plant 3 weeks later?

Should I have an experiment and see? Have cutting been tried like this b4 Mike? (ie - with the long drying period?)
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amanda says...
Yea Mike - cuttings are really hard work aren't they? and I don't have the right "set up" for them either? Is it worth it when u can graft/marcott etc, do u think?

I would be keen to learn tissue culture one day tho? Have lots of experience with human tissue culture...so I am excited about learning this one day!?

Mike - are u on Facebook? There is a group some of us, here, that are on a group that u may be interested in/have much to contribute to? My email sunley(at)wn(dot)com(dot)au anyway (I am a novice/apprentice of the group BTW..so don't let me put u off... ;)
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amanda says...
That's cool Mike :) Please email me sometime tho perhaps? I have some folk it would be nice to connect u to maybe? We are trying to find u outside of this forum? :)

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Michael says...
I jush finished picking the last fruit from my Sawo Manila .Even though it's only 1.5 metres tall it gave me 13 fruits. The fruits are not big in size but the taste was amazing according to my wife . I was told that Sapodilla won't fruit in Sydney but my little tree did so I encourage others in the Sydney area to grow it as well.
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db says...
Hi Michael, How old is your tree and is this the first time it fruited?
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Michael says...
Hi db,

My tree is around 3.5 years old and yes it's the first time it's fruited .It was fruiting last year and took almost 10 months to ripen .
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tony says...
hey fellas, If somebody can help me pls.. where can I find the Sapadilla fruit in sydney? Thanks A TON in advance
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Bab says...
Hi,

I have a big farm for sapota. Let me know if anyone is interested.

Thanks,
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db says...
Where can I buy 'Krasuey' Sapodilla variety? Unfortunately Daleys don't have it at this time.
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db says...
I still have no luck finding 'Krasuey' variety anywhere.. Any suggestions where I might get it?
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BJ says...
You could give Forbidden Fruits a call to see if they will have any when they come up for the Gardening Australia show. I think they've done Krausey in the past.
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db says...
Thanks BJ, I'll contact them.. Have u checked the my mango tree photos that I uploaded yesterday?
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Mike says...
My krasuey sapodillas should be resting after a big crop but they just keep on with the next flush of fruit and then flower again.The pampered prolific and sawo manila are now on notice.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
The sapodillas looks so productive Mike!
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Mike says...
Lucy one of the reasons it has such big crops is that fruit are in bunches unlike other sapos.The prolific and sawo manila need to wake up to themselves and use the krasueys as role models.Then again I don't need more sapodilla fruit but maybe a tag team team event where they can fill in the time when there are no ripe krasueys.
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Db says...
Mike, your Krasuey looks so awesome and productive, well done, how old is this tree?... Unfortunately I couldn't find Krasuey anywhere here in Brisbane.. So recently I bought BKD110 to accompany my Sawo Manilla... How productive is your BKD110 as compared to Krasuey?
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Mike says...
Db my BKD110 was the one that died 2 years ago when it was 5 years old because I put in a spot where there water couldn't drain away.The cyclone and 2500mm of rain put an end to it.I have since fixed up that spot.When it was alive it was second best in terms of productivity and it has a great taste.It is an elite variety and the first to get if krasuey is unavailable.
My krasueys spazzed out 3 years ago and turned into never ending fruit factories.An 'expert' who looked at them said krasueys and in fact no sapos are supposed to do that.
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amanda says...
Great pics Mike...which variety is in your 2 pics above...?

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Mike says...
Amanda they are the 2 krasueys I have.They must be the queen of sapodillas.
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David says...
Will now keep my eyes open for Krasuey var, always considered them a bit gritty
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Mike says...
David my ones are silky smooth like prolific and more smooth that tikal,sawo,brown sugar,russell and tropical.Bkd110 has flavour as good and bigger fruit but not as productive.They might preform differently in different climates.
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Shaun says...
The Thai Krasuey that I know has always got a smooth texture, unlike some varieties from Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia.
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Mike says...
I agree Shaun I prefer my sand on the beach not in my sapodillas.
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Chikoo says...
Hi Dr Ganesh,

Please share some tips for how do I take care of my Sapodilla plant in this Perth weather.

Parul
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amanda says...
Now have a Tropical and a Sawo Manila (sp?) grafted - and a lovley no-name. They seem ok with the colder climate here so far (ie:haven't dropped dead at least.. ;-D
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Mike says...
Amanda they are 2 of the best for fruit quality.Sawo produces well and tropial can be a bit shy.Both of these can fruit in California.
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amanda says...
Yay!! Finally a good score Mike :D (they were very expensive tho at $54 a plant and only maybe half metre tall - are they hard to graft or something?)
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Mike says...
They always seem to be expensive and are a revered fruit tree.The white sap makes them messy to graft but grafting has a good success rate.Sawo has smaller egg shaped fruit and they both are smooth fleshed without grit.
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Db says...
I'm growing one grafted sapodilla tree in pot, I bought it around 6-7 months back. It recently flowered with 12 flowers (tree and flowers both are painfully slow growing). Tree is only 1.5ft tall but has 5-6 branches. Most flowers opened recently and closed after 2-3 days. It has been almost 2 weeks since flowers opened but not a single flower has dropped yet and still holding. Does it mean they have set the fruit?
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amanda says...
I don't know about the pollinated part Db - only time will tell - but you will also have to wait around a year or more for the fruit to ripen!

Strange tree...I just picked a fruit this week - from last seasons flowering maybe a year or more ago...my tree is a few years old now and only about 1.5m tall and it's laden with big fruit now...the branches are so heavy (a cupla kilos each) that I am worried they will snap..?
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I have been using branches pruned off bamboo to prop up sagging branches of a few sagging fruit trees . My sapadildo tree has heaps of flowers at last , but not many seem to be setting .. damn heat and dry ..
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Db says...
Thanks Amanda..

Trikus - When does flower drops off the tree once the flower opens if it is not pollinated? I'm just trying to see if mine has set any fruit or not.
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Mike says...
Only a small % of flowers set fruit.The old flowers wither away.They set more fruit with age and with x pollination.Krasuey sets in all weather conditions but most other cv's are more choosey about setting fruit.
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amanda says...
Good to know Trikus - I might prop mine up I think. I had good fruit set last season (for my very small, young-ish tree) - and I only had one tree then - and it was in an enclosed shade house (and a 35L tree sack) the whole time...?
I would have around 20 fruits on my small tree I think...I am really happy all things considered...it's been thru such a lot over the last two years - it's a real toughie..
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Amanda, how old was your tree when it first started bearing?
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Not very old VF - can't be quite sure (It looked like a seedling too - it came with no info tag and was the last one so not sure...it might be in my edibles pics) I have had it for 3 maybe 4yrs at the most and it has had fruit for the last 2yrs...the first year it had only a few fruit - this year 24

It flowers and carries fruit at all different stages - maybe they ripen faster in the tropics - Mike would know more.

I think it's a great tree - the odd bit scale that the ants cause - but apart from that no other problems at all.

I planted 2 grafted one's this Aug and they have started to push out new growth even in the much milder temps 600kms south of where my first one 'grew up'

My first one was also transplanted here at the same time - and didn't drop any fruit at all..!? I thought it might have some shock but it also looks like it might flower again very soon...tough plant.
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VF says...
Thanks for the info Amanda. They seem like a good tree to have. Hope yours do well at your new location - quite a distance! I'm watching my 3 grafted ones with interest presently as they're in flower, but I know too little about them (except that I love eating them). I also have a small problem with scale - would home-made white oil be mild enough to not damage flowers?
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amanda says...
Don't know VF? Maybe someone else might know..? I won't spray anything when it's in flower - I worry about the pollinators and also losing the flowers too...
(and - I also just rubbed them off my tree as it was/is still small enough)

Nuking the ants was more effective in this instance ;-D




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VF says...
Thanks Amanda, I have same concerns too with spraying - nuking the ants, now why didn't I think of that!? Duh!
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amanda says...
Hey VF - you wouldn't credit it but one of the 'baby' sapodillas I planted 3 months ago has just started flowering?! It's only small too - as u can see by the USB cord on the left of the fuller size pic..
It's the Sawo Manila - the "Tropical" has been in a spot that has got more water (3m away) might be nothing to do with it, but it hasn't flowered as yet...

(ps: I didn't realise that the soil around this plant had become water repellant and it was wilting today - somthing I have not seen my Sapo's do b4/get to that stage b4...an oversight and I wonder if it got such a fright it decided it had better reproduce!?

When I noticed the wilting I checked out the plant more carefully and saw it's retic thingy blocked - and that's when I noticed the flowers...funny how things go sometimes..?
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VF says...
That's great Amanda! It could be the stress, but I wonder too if perhaps the Sawo M is a little more precocious than some of the other varieties? Mine has about 3 x the number of flowers as my Tropical and BKD110. Oh well, whatever the reason, got to be grateful. Thanks for posting the piccies. (Oneday I might figure out how to as well. sigh)
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vernon says...
Hi
very interesting to know that like me there you guys interested in Sapodilla I have grafted varity fruit still in pot
Sapodilla will fruit if it is grafted,and will survive in cold or hot climate.
Chicku has a very weak root system hence need to be grafted
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Daleys have Ponderosa in stock now and Krasuey in the works. Does anyone know much about Ponderosa? I've heard its a great large smooth fleshed fruit, but needs hand pollination. I'm willing to hand pollinate if any can confirm it is good as good as the other top cvs but around 3x larger...
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David says...
Hi BJ , dont know Ponderosa but sure i remember Mike saying that Krasuey was up there as one of the top cultivars
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VF says...
In the RFCA Archives, they mention that Ponderosa can get to 350g (nearly twice the size of some others), and are sweet and smooth not gritty. They sound good. I have been on 'notify me' list for Krasuey since beginning of last year, and had given up hope and bought "Tropical". Can I now squeeze in a fourth plant?
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Mike says...
Ponderosa gets a good deal bigger than 350g and are a bit like prolific which also get large.Tropical is a shy bearer and pretty good with little grit as well.Size depends a bit on the size of the crop and even krasuey can be 200g when there are not many on.
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ivepeters says...
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Forbidden fruits has the krasuey in stock now ,


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VF says...
Thanks ivepeters, I'll check it out for sure. The Tropical may be moved! Good to have more info Mike, thanks.
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Db says...
BJ, did you end up buying Ponderosa? I'm also thinking to buy it considering its big size but hand pollination is going to be bit hassle...
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John Mc says...
I just bought a Ponderosa, up to 300gm fruit? couldn't let one of them go by. Have three other cv's to cross pollinate with so should be assured of a decent crop. Still waiting for a Krausey from Daley's, might have to sneak over to the opposition to get one, thanks for the heads up, ivepeters.
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VF says...
John Mc, the Krasuey now available pre-paid at Daleys - I've got my name on one....funny how things work out, I emailed, dare I say it, the opposition, about a week ago and got a reply just after I had pre-paid one.

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John Mc says...
Did the same VF. The opposition replied saying they are in a disaster area and will get back to me. At least their grafted Black Brazillian cherry is full of blooms, extremely happy with that one.
I should stay loyal and pre order here. Could be another six months or more though, but at least you are quaranteed one.
I have a few seedling Sapodillas that I'd like to experiment with, grafting wise.
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7th February 2013 8:25am
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VF says...
Aaaah, that explains things JohnMc. I usually am loyal to Daleys, but sometimes when you just have to have a plant.....gee, that's good going with your Black Braz.Cherry, you should be enjoying some luscious fruit soon!
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Mike says...
For those looking for the John Wayne style true grit, ponderosa and krasuey won't do it for you as they are smooth fleshed.
My black brazil cherry seedlings have a variety name and that is black star.
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VF says...
Highly anticipating the delivery of my Krasuey now.But I'm also pleased that I can now see some definite fruit development on my Sawo Manila and BKD110 - whether they fully develop is yet to be seen, as the trees are very young, but bodes well for next summer flowering anyhow. As Big Kev used to say, "I'm excited!".

Wonder if all black brazilian cherries in Aus. are from the same source, and are same variety? My seedlings, while growing well, probably won't bear for another couple of years.
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Mike says...
My black brazils came from Portugal.
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ivepeters says...
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Having not tasted either of the B. cherry types.
How does the black star compare.
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John Mc says...
13 Krausey's available, err 12, I just ordered one.
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13th February 2013 9:35pm
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Db says...
I couldn't resist myself from buying Krasuey, lol. Expecting delivery anytime soon.. 3 more left if anyone is interested in Krasuey.

I'm already growing Sawo Manila (in ground) and BKD110 (in pot) and both are VERY slow grower as compared to my other plants, though both have set 2 tiny fruits on each in its first season.. I'm sure Krasuey will also be slow grower..

Question - What can be done to promote comparatively fast growth (apart from regularly fertilizing)?
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20th February 2013 11:39am
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VF says...
My Krasuey arrived today Db, so yours may too. The sapodilla's do seem slow, but now that I have my new baby I can see it's much smaller than the others, so they have been sneaking in some growth over the year - I guess slow and steady is less obvious.

I'm glad yours have set fruit too - I'm sure the SM and BKD have some, and it looks like my Tropical has a couple too, but these are abit smaller so not as sure. Exciting times...

I don't know if there's any magic potion to speed up growth, but if you find some let me know :)
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Db says...
VF, today my Krasuey has arrived too. Mine is very small plant - roughly 50cm from soil surface and single stem only. But staff did told me about this before shipping when I asked. My other 2 sapodilla that I bought by visiting nursery in kyogle were much bigger and with lots of side branches because I choose bigger plants as they were available that time. How big is your krasuey VF?
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VF says...
About 50cm sounds right Db. To be honest, I don't recall what size my others were when purchased as it was a while ago, but they seem to be a fair bit taller than their stakes now.

Something of interest on the yellow id tag is the word "Fitzroy" where rootstock is normally printed - I wonder if the plants or the grafting material were from Fitzroy nursery (Rockhampton)?
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Db says...
That's an interesting observation VF, mine also says Fitzroy. If we ask Daleys, they should be able to tell us what rootstock Krasuey has got.

How old are your other Sapodilla trees? Are they fruiting for first time? I bought my Sawo Manila in Jan-12 (its 4 ft tall now), BKD in April-12 (2.5 ft tall). I just checked my Krasuey and it's only 40cm tall :(
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John Mc says...
You didn't get the baby of the bunch Db, mines about the same size. The Ponderosa that landed a few weeks ago is 30cm taller. Daley's was probably under the pump to get them out.
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Db says...
John mc, you got ponderosa as well, nice, you will get much bigger fruits with it. No, I'm not too worried about the small size, hopefully better care will make it grow comparatively fast. Infact I'm happy that finally I got hold of Krasuey, I have been looking for it for last 12 months and had lost hope for it.
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amanda says...
Hey guys - when is the best time to prune a sapodilla do u think...?

Mine is not carrying any fruit right now (but is flowering) and I thought it might be a good opportunity to re-work some of the whippy branches...?

It is getting cold here now though...will that affect any new growth?
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VF says...
Hi Amanda, you might find this article helpful. http://stgmagazine.com.au/pdf/Sapodilla.pdf If you haven't seen this magazine before, it's orientated for growing fruit,veg,ornamentals and natives in warmer climates - decent articles on featured fruit/s, vegies and bush-tucker in every edition.
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amanda says...
Thanks VF - that was a good article :)
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Miranda says...
anyone know what is the rootstock for sapodilla in Australia? My 8 year old Prolific sent out new shoots from the rootstock,it looks like sapodilla,but it is not a sapodilla.
By the way this small tree finally bears prolifically like its name after 8 years of waiting.
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VF says...
Rootstock is seedling Sapodilla, so may have a small variance to graft. Good to hear yours is doing well in Sydney.
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Miranda says...
Thank you VF.
Yes,I was surprised that none of the small fruits drop off in cold winter.
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