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Jantina starts with ... Have decided to grow some hardy palms(with edible bits) down here. Does anyone know a source of Parajubaea cocoides (Quito Palm) seeds or seedlings, and Brahea edulis, seeds or seedlings. Yesterday after scouring the net I found some seed of Washingtonia filifera and Jubaea chilensis syn. spectabilis and sent away for them and about half an hour later my Diggers catalogue arrived with Jubaea chilensis for $9.95. | About the Author Jantina Mt. Gambier S.A. 1st September 2010 10:06am #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... They have Parajubaea cocoides here, 19 Euros for a packet of 10 though, but it is the one I was thinking of http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/small.shtml | About the Author Jason10 Portland, Vic 1st September 2010 10:47am #UserID: 3853 Posts: 218 View All Jason10's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... There's some of those Jelly's in the Hamilton gardens if you want seed too, not sure on when it's ripe. Never seems to be when I'm there :p. I have a plant of it also but it doesn't do well for me, probably grown a couple in inches in 10 years http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=hamiton+victoria+botanic+gardens&sll=-37.74682,142.024577&sspn=0.004335,0.006899&ie=UTF8&t=h&split=1&filter=0&rq=1&ev=p&radius=0.23&hq=hamiton+victoria+botanic+gardens&hnear=&ll=-37.745582,142.024544&spn=0,0.006899&z=17&layer=c&cbll=-37.745568,142.024355&panoid=W8BYXKFg3d28egMWfdClxA&cbp=12,177.07,,1,-5.25 Push this :) | About the Author Jason10 Portland, Vic 1st September 2010 7:42pm #UserID: 3853 Posts: 218 View All Jason10's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Thanks again Jason and John Mc,I have 3 Butia capitata planted that I got from Diggers (and very small and lonely they look in the paddock too) but I will check out the one in Hamilton next time I go through there. Did my graduate year at Hamilton Base Hosp and spent many hours in the gardens. Also looking for Queen Palm, Syagrus romanzoffianum(syn. Arecastrum romanzoffianum,Cocos plumosa (a bit of a mouthful). | About the Author Jantina Mt. Gambier S.A. 1st September 2010 8:30pm #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Lorna says... I have several Jelly Palm/Butia here in Albany, and they do famously here. They tolerate the frost of minus four degrees, and we have had temperatures around the 40 degree mark that has not phased them either. They fruit for me within four years of planting, and the trees were only about ten inches or 250mm high when I put them in. My tallest and oldest tree is probably about 10 feet tall now. There are pictures of my fruit on the My Edibles page (see to the right of this paragraph where to click). When the fruit are ripe they fall off. Do not pull them off to eat, as they will be too tart. Easiest fruit tree to net too. Simply put a chaff bag over the spray of fruit and tie the neck. When the fruit start to ripen, simply give the bag a gentle shake every day, and any that fall off and into the neck of the bag are ready to eat. Seed like a mini coconut, so do take a long time to germinate naturally. Will be speeded up with the use of scarification. I rub them on a concrete floor to make a thin patch on the shell. | About the Author Lorna Albany WA 2nd September 2010 1:25pm #UserID: 591 Posts: 91 View All Lorna's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Hey Lorna, Sorry to hijack your thread Jantina, but I just had a look at Lornas my edibles page and identified a perannial zuccini plant that I had no idea what it was called. (chilacayote) I got it off an old italian guy I spotted working in his garden when I was driving around the other day. He just ripped out a length of runner and said to just bury it and I ll have zuccini s forever. Its amazing what these old italians brought with them when they migated to Australia. There s a lot more to discover when I go back over for another visit soon. He s very impressed with my little collection as well. Back to you Jantina | About the Author JohnMc1 2nd September 2010 4:19pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brad says... awesome hijack - awesome post. I'd never heard of chilacayote or perpetual zuchini. Seed appears available from http://www.cornucopiaseeds.com.au/products.php?product=Squash%2C-Perennial-%252d-Chilacoyote Back to you Jantina | About the Author Brad2 Como, Perth 2nd September 2010 7:23pm #UserID: 2323 Posts: 762 View All Brad2's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Lorna says... Hi Guys, The Chilacayote or perennial zucchini are so easy to grow, and if you don't get frost you will pick "zucchinis" all year round. The main plus is that they don't get the mildew that flattens the ordinary zucchini. I have seed of two varieties-one is mostly green with white stripes, and is very productive and tasty. The other is mostly white with green stripes on it, and produces larger fruit but a lot less of them for less of the year. Seed available for those that want and can't find. | About the Author Lorna Albany WA 3rd September 2010 12:03pm #UserID: 591 Posts: 91 View All Lorna's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Lorna says... Such a rare and special plant should be distributed and made more common and easier to obtain. I nearly lost mine a couple of years ago due to planting it in an area that got really too wet one bad winter, and I had a hell of a job trying to get new seed, failed dismally in fact. The saving grace was the fact that I had shared with a friend, who was able to give some back. Hows that for Karma, or returning the favour. Whatever you want to call it, share and share alike. Don't be mean or shy, let everyone in on it if it's good! You may get something good in return one day if it is available. | About the Author Lorna Albany WA 3rd September 2010 8:13pm #UserID: 591 Posts: 91 View All Lorna's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Violet_Cactus says... Yes, a great hijack! That Chilacayote deserves a thread of its own. Meanwhile, back to palms with edible fruit - I bought some delicious Medjool dates at the supermarket and after eating them, planted the seeds. They took a long while to germinate, but germinate they did (only a small percentage, though). Now I have 5 healthy little palm trees. True Date Palm Tree (Medjool): Phoenix dactylifera | About the Author VioletCactus1 Melbourne 10th September 2010 12:21pm #UserID: 516 Posts: 349 View All VioletCactus1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Hey Violet Cactus, while nursing in the outback( Yuendemu,Papunya) I planted some Medjool date seeds and they also came up,but I left them there. I know they fruit in Alice Springs, hope they fruit for you, think it might be a tad cold here. Washingtonia filifera has fruit that tastes similar to dates but I don't think it would be quite like sinking your teeth into a juicy fresh Medjool. | About the Author 10th September 2010 4:35pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Paul & Karen says... Hi Everyone, I am checking here with interest as I am hooked on medjool dates and would love to grow some of my own... There is a lot of talk here of growing from seed... hmmm I'm a bit impatient and don't wanna wait 50 years for fruit. Does anyone know if you can buy a palm that is already well underway? Finally getting our plot well planted - off to buy some more trees right now in fact. Will do some work later in the week and start up our My Edibles page YAY can't wait to finally share it with you all. Thanks for all the support and great advice xo | About the Author Paul Karen2 Pottsville NSW 20th June 2011 11:50am #UserID: 5446 Posts: 1 View All Paul Karen2's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jo says... Hi John, I'd forgotten I posted this - I was checking on the cold-hardy banana topics, as I grow 5 ornamental rare species here. Short answer on Parajubs: awesome tough palms. P cocoides is the slowest of the 4 sp. My 10yo P torallyi trees will be fruiting before my 14 yo P coco. Jubaea are roooooooooooooooolly slow. About 25 years to fruiting age (but live for a thousand years). All have edible seeds (like mini-coconuts). As Parajubs are still very rare in Aust, most seeds are likely to end up as trees for the time being. There is a grower in Melb - contact through me. Agree on Butia - tasty fruit and tough palm. My garden is open this weekend, if any Melbourne locals are interested. Check the OGA website under "Palmaculture garden'. | About the Author Jo Melbourne 16th March 2012 11:43am #UserID: 6125 Posts: 15 View All Jo's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Two Parajubaea cocoides were generously given to me but didn't survive. (I hope she's not reading this) I was very dissappointed when the little green shoot lost all it's colour. Does your contact have access to the abovementioned sp.? I'd love to have another go, I think I know where I went wrong, (too much heat). They're a cooler weather palm, but I'm sure they'd do well here if I was given another opportunity. | About the Author JohnMc1 Warnervale NSW 16th March 2012 2:39pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jo says... Will check his stocks of P coco. He has a lot of the other three Parajub sp. I'll be seeing him this weekend and will ask about bare-rooted postage. My palm garden is open this weekend http://www.opengarden.org.au/regions/vic_calendar.html, melbourne palm fans1 | About the Author Jo Melbourne 17th March 2012 8:23am #UserID: 6125 Posts: 15 View All Jo's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Sadly John Mc, mine has also died, was going well until a slug got in the pot, chewed in critical spots and the root rotted. Sob. Still have more seed which may germinate eventually. Wonder if Phil's survived? Anyway Jo, I am also very interested in the Parajub species but cannot get down to Melb. this weekend. My email is jantinarohde at activ8 dot net dot au any info much appreciated. | About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 17th March 2012 8:49am #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... The seed Jantina kindly sent me already potted up has a healthy green shoot on it, the second one I planted hasn't any sign of germinating.. I used to grow Jubaea chilensis in Victoria and found that if I lightly cracked the coat of the nut, either with a well placed hit from a hammer or in a vice, the germination rates were better. It takes a bit of practice though, the first dozen or so were smashed beyond being salvageable. I also use the technique with macadamias on the concrete path, there is definitely an art to hitting them in just the right spot. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 17th March 2012 11:07am #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Jantina, I was doing all the wrong things to get these babies to grow. I think it was the heat that killed them in the end, they shouldn't have been in the poly house. I've grown plenty of palms from seed in the past so I thought they would be a pushover, not so. BTW, I'm hoping your parcel arrived in one piece? | About the Author JohnMc1 Warnervale NSW 17th March 2012 12:59pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Actually I've been putting off emailing you about the parcel because the news isn't good. We were away and by the time I got to it the Caricas had rotted, the Gac leaves were not looking flash but I think that will survive, a sad story. The male Gac you sent earlier is booming. Phil , good news about yours, I'm hopeful more will sprout. The same slug got one of my Chilean hazelnuts and since only 2 srouted out of 3 packs of seed it means half my stock is gone. Sigh. On the plus side 14 Washingtonia filiferas, 2 Jubaea chilensis and 2 Brahea edulis are up. You win some , you lose some. | About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 18th March 2012 4:12pm #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Pepa says... Hi Jo I have been trying to track down a seller of Quito palms in Victoria or anwhere in Australia for that matter for years, i collected some seeds on a trip to Quito but had no luck getting them to germinate. I tried your link but it doesn't seem to work, is their any way I can get onto this grower you mentioned? Thanks | About the Author Gippsland 21st March 2012 12:14am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jo says... Hi Pepa, Yes I know a grower in Melb who has all four: cocoides, torallyi var torallyi, torallyi var microcarpa and sunkha. This is a busy forum, which is nice, but there's zero privacy. Don't like posting contact details for me on a public forum, let alone him! If you want to contact me, I'm Jo Wilkins on Facebook, palmaculture on flickr. The Vic office of Open Gardens Australia will also forward emails to me. | About the Author Jo Melbourne 23rd March 2012 10:50am #UserID: 6125 Posts: 15 View All Jo's Edible Fruit Trees |
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trikus says... John your Cocona picture looks very much like a rare Areca 'Wahbo' that has large fruits .. one on feebay now . Many tropical palms with edible fruits , just learnt of one from manila .. A Calamus manilense ..
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Violet Cactus says... Gosh Jantina, lucky you, and well done getting those Washingtonia filifera, Jubaea chilensis and Brahea edulis to germinate! I'm very envious, especially of the Jubaea! :) I currently have 4 Medjool and 5 Butia. Down here in Melbourne the Medjools grow about 2 centimetres a year... If anyone has seeds or seedlings of Jubaea chilensis, I would love to buy or swap. | About the Author VioletCactus1 28th April 2012 3:55pm #UserID: 516 Posts: 349 View All VioletCactus1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Nick T says... Is there any secret tips to germinating Butia capitata seeds or is it just patience thats required? I bought a batch of seeds off Ebay around feb. and they're still sitting in the greenhouse with no signs of germination. They're in normal seed-raising mix and have been kept pretty much evenly moist. :) (as an aside my achacha seeds planted mid-jan. are only just emerging whereas the ones planted feb. last year emerged in about 3 weeks- maybe this year's conditions haven't favoured germination as much?) | About the Author Nick T Altona, VIC 28th April 2012 9:55pm #UserID: 2663 Posts: 727 View All Nick T's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... Nick, an interesting link here. I found with Jubaea that cracking them gently in a vice until the shell split seemed to help but I'm not sure the seed coat of a butia is as hard as I have never seen it http://www.trebrown.com/articles/blog/?tag=butia-capitata | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 28th April 2012 10:27pm #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... I used to just crack it to allow water to enter then plant, shell and all... hope that helps. Butia is commonly planted in botanical gardens so you might be able to experiment without outlaying anymore money on eBay - but I still think it is too early to see any sign of germination all the same. Often they will be throwing a root first then the leaf comes later. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 29th April 2012 10:46am #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Violet Cactus says... Thanks for your offer, Julie! I do have some Butia palms, however. It's Jubaea I am looking for... Phil, would you have any Jubaea seeds for sale or swap? At the moment I have heaps of fresh Chinese Quince seeds and Strawberry Guava seeds to swap, although I suspect you already have these. PS I managed to grow Phonenix dactylifera from dates bought from the supermarket. The seeds took quite a while to germinate; I did not crack them. Nice little palms but very slow growing in Melbourne. | About the Author VioletCactus1 1st May 2012 11:20pm #UserID: 516 Posts: 349 View All VioletCactus1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Hi Violet nice to see you back on the forum. Check Diggers they had jubaea chilensis on their list. If they don't have anymore I'll put you down for one of mine (and the filiferas etc for that matter).I have some things here for you and have been to Melb several times but there is always so much to squeeze in and any spare time is spent by hubby chasing car parts(grrrr). Probably need to make a dedicated visit to catch up with you all. Are you any closer to moving on to your block? | About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 2nd May 2012 8:31am #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... Violet Cactus, I used to collect my Jubaea seeds from the Botanical Gardens, there are some huge established palms just north of the cactus display (South Yarra) at certain times of the year, the ground would be covered with the fruit. There is also grand old palm in the Kyneton gardens. I used to eat some (very much like a mini coconut) and plant the others, sometimes I cracked them slightly and planted them in a compost heap and left them to sprout in their own time. Better results than in pots! | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 2nd May 2012 10:58am #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jo W says... Did anyone see Gardening Australia on the weekend/ My Melbourne palm garden was on, so check it out on ABC iview or Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcCsEOIOW2A My biggest (12 yo)Jubaea is a child of the grand old Kyneton BG Jub. You can see my Parajubaeas, too. | About the Author Jo Melbourne 23rd May 2012 1:22pm #UserID: 6125 Posts: 15 View All Jo's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... Yes very impressive. I also have seedlings from the Jubaea at Kyneton although not as advanced as yours Jo. Kind forum members recently sent me Parajubaea coccoides and The red flamethrower palm from New Caledonia. Great work in the garden there, do you ever have open days?
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glennis says... I watched gardening aus and watched you with your palms . I am not really into palms but only live 20 minutes away from palms for brisbane nursery . I only have a few macarthuri palms and a small palm about a foot high (10 years old). It is nice that you grow something out of the ordinary . cheers . | About the Author glennis brisbane 23rd May 2012 8:11pm #UserID: 6833 Posts: 15 View All glennis's Edible Fruit Trees |
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trikus says... Superior tissue cultured clones of select date cultivars are available from a South Australian company . http://www.gurradowns.com.au/ They have even imported some fruits of unusual types for us to try . I bought a pack and was very pleased . Pity I can not grow them up here . But I will support an Aussie company growing and selling them . | About the Author Trikus Tully 25th May 2012 5:16pm #UserID: 930 Posts: 749 View All Trikus's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... Yesterday I could have picked up seeds of various palms.I had seeds of Livistona muelleri and concinna,Licuala ramsayi,Ptychospermum elegans,Arenga australasica,Archontophoenix tuckeri,Hydrastele wendledtiana and Linospadix sp. that could have been brought back.I drove back past a whole lot more species as well.If I knew people were interested in palms I could have grabbed a few. | About the Author Cairns 25th May 2012 7:36pm #UserID: 5418 Posts: 1438 View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jo W says... Thanks for your comments Phil and Glennis. I think about half the garden was shown, in total. I do have open days through Open Gardens Australia - no more this year though.Visitors welcome, however. You'll love that Chambeyronia ('Flamethrower')- it's even happy in Melbourne, so yours will be ecstatic. You can see mine at about the 3:30 mark on the video, on the RHS. | About the Author Jo Melbourne 26th May 2012 10:22am #UserID: 6125 Posts: 15 View All Jo's Edible Fruit Trees |
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