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Kath starts with ... I have just picked the best nectarine I have ever grown in my home orchard. This year I used the mesh exclusion bags and I have found them to be very successful. My neighbour netted her tree with a 2 inch poly pipe frame and had nightmares catching pregnant bats. I am wondering if anyone else has used exclusion bags and how you found them, or has anyone designed a successful fruit fly frame for exclusion netting to cover the whole tree?
| About the Author Kath Cawongla 18th November 2010 9:48am #UserID: 2 Posts: View All Kath's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Wayne Mackay QLD 18th November 2010 10:29am #UserID: 338 Posts: View All Wayne's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... I've used exclusion bags this year on White Sapote, Yellow Cherry Guava and Flat Peaches and no hint of fruit fly despite my trap catching hundreds of males. The ones I use are much smaller than the ones from Daley's - unfortunately they weren';t giving them away anymore when my order was ready :( - So there is a little problem with rubbing on the skin of the fruit, but it keeps out the fly and doesn't effect the taste in the least. | About the Author BJ Brisbane 18th November 2010 11:37am #UserID: 3270 Posts: View All BJ's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author amanda Geraldton Mid West WA 18th November 2010 9:38pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: View All amanda's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Kath says... Hi Amanda, yes this is my Sunraycer. Taste rating - really yummy. I just had one for breakfast to check, and it was deliciously perfect. Let them sit for a day after picking - if you can wait to let them get soft and juicy. I also bagged some of my plums, the gulf ruby (pictured) ripened first, the gold are still ripening and this year for the first time I even have a splattering of mariposa's due to our weird warmer but cooler winter. The birds did descend on the ruby once they were ripe and knocked all the fruit off the branch but they were all caught in the bag and still good even with a couple of claw holes in the skin.
| About the Author Kath Cawongla 19th November 2010 8:13am #UserID: 2 Posts: View All Kath's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author amanda Geraldton Mid West WA 19th November 2010 12:09pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: View All amanda's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Brad G Hill, Perth 19th November 2010 2:32pm #UserID: 2323 Posts: View All Brad's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Lee Gardner Brisbane 2nd June 2011 12:20pm #UserID: 0 Posts: |
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| About the Author Jim Fremantle 2nd June 2011 12:22pm #UserID: 3242 Posts: |
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Charles cant spell says... Lee, If you want to net that many fruit I would recommend netting the whole tree if possible - http://www.netprocanopies.com/hail%20netting%20pest%20protection.php#BIRDSANDBATS is one supplier, I think green harvest gets their nets from them also. Netting the whole tree can be quite simple if its not to large, or you could prune the tree back and thin it well to get less but better quality fruit. Once pruned and thinned you then decide whether 20-30 exclusion bags or one big net is more appropriate. | About the Author Charles cant spell Perth Innaloo 2nd June 2011 2:10pm #UserID: 2742 Posts: View All Charles cant spell's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Lee Gardner says... Thanks Jim & Charles, I have already trimmed the tree back ready for this years fruit, I already have some tiny fruit and i intend to select the best and bag them, I tried to net the whole tree last year but buy then the fruit fly had got to them and the local possum had also found them so i was struggling to keep the net on with the possums nightly attacks. Regards Lee Gardner | About the Author Lee Gardner Brisbane 2nd June 2011 2:38pm #UserID: 0 Posts: |
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Haakon says... I lost all my nectarines to Med fruit fly. I have a mosquito net that I intend to put over the entire tree and tie tightly when spring comes around. My question is: Do I wait for the flowers to get fertilised before putting the net on? And when exactly should I put the net on? many thanks Haakon | About the Author Haakon Fremantle 2nd June 2011 4:18pm #UserID: 0 Posts: |
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John Mc says... How's the pic enlargement going? Here's what I've been doing recently with great results. Easy to cover the fruit and comes with a built in drawstring. The best of all? costs less than $5 per 100 delivered to my door from China. I've just bought some larger ones from Australia at just under $20 per 100. If they don't enlarge I'll post them on photobucket.
| About the Author John Mc 2nd June 2011 6:25pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: View All John Mc's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author kim brisbane 2nd June 2011 7:37pm #UserID: 0 Posts: |
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| About the Author kim brisbane 2nd June 2011 7:39pm #UserID: 0 Posts: |
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John Mc says... Here's a couple of suppliers I've bought from. It appears thaat the local supplier is now cheaper than the supplier from China. China Supplier: http://stores.ebay.com.au/colorfulworld888store Hmmmm... he seems to have upped his price already. He is now advertising 50 bags for $9.47 with free postage http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/50-White-Pure-Organza-Jewellery-Gift-bag-120-90mm-xf-/290519435903?pt=AU_WeddingSupplies&hash=item43a44eca7f Local Australian supplier. Postage is extra: http://www.blingin.com.au/organza-bags-white-10x13cm-100-pack-p-9095.html?zenid=f5b128ab5b04d4c30c862145da4e7d8d There are several sizes. Always order two sizes larger than you think you might need. I've only ordered the plain white, you can get all the colours under the sun, they look quite attractive hanging off the tree, even in plain white.
| About the Author John Mc 2nd June 2011 10:06pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: View All John Mc's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Charles cant spell says... haakon - yes it needs to get pollinated, you will see the petals dropping off, that about the time you can do it, however you need to wait for a decent number of the fruit to have set, shouldnt be any issues with the fruit fly until the fruit is olive seed size.... so yeah wait intil the petals fall off enough fruit, then net the whole tree and make sure you tie around the base etc | About the Author Charles cant spell Perth Innaloo 2nd June 2011 11:49pm #UserID: 2742 Posts: View All Charles cant spell's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Haakon Fremantle 3rd June 2011 11:26am #UserID: 0 Posts: |
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Charles cant spell says... Figs are trickier, I dont even know the pollination timeframe in general let alone the random fruiting times in perth. Sorry, more experience folks than me here though so hopefully none WA folks can give you a representative answer. Mangoes, dont have expeirence but my understanding is no, thankfully its the eastern state fruit fly that hits mangoes/papayas etc. My one fruit was fine this year. | About the Author Charles cant spell Perth Innaloo 3rd June 2011 3:52pm #UserID: 2742 Posts: View All Charles cant spell's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author BJ Brisbane 15th August 2011 1:36pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: View All BJ's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Brad G Hill,Perth 15th August 2011 5:30pm #UserID: 2323 Posts: View All Brad's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brad says... Here's a note on How to choose the size of organza bags you will need written as my bags just arrived and made me realise I never thought hard enough about it. I now note John's comment "Always order two sizes larger than you think you might need.". sage advice.I ordered 13x18cm bags. This sounded plenty big, but isn't. The best way to size the bags you will need is to match the circumference of fruit which needs to be less than double the width of the bag. NOT the width of the fruit to the width of the bag. I put up a couple photos to demonstrate this example.The bag width is around 12-13cm. The fruit diameter is around 7.5cm. Fruit circumference is 3.14*7.5 = 23.5cm and I have 2*width=24-26cm available at the top of the drawstring. Note that the string appears to pinch in a little so can be slightly less. so my bags may need to be destroyed to remove larger fruit on the tree. see also: http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/forum/fruit-fly-control/ and http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/Gift-Bags-/161728/i.html
| About the Author Brad G Hill,Perth 21st October 2011 1:11pm #UserID: 2323 Posts: View All Brad's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author BJ Brisbane 21st October 2011 1:55pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: View All BJ's Edible Fruit Trees |
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JUJUBE FOR SALE says... mine have not turned up but I ordered 2 sizes: 13x16cm 50 bags for $5 and size 26x18 50 bags for $ US10 (best offer) http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/50x-Red-Heart-Organza-Wedding-Gift-Bags-18x26cm-120233-/170642292711?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27bb12bfe7 | About the Author JUJUBE FOR SALE 21st October 2011 3:23pm #UserID: 2706 Posts: View All JUJUBE FOR SALE's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... I see there is some confusion as to the right size organza bags to buy. This link explains it all very well: http://www.organzabags.com.au/online.htm | About the Author John Mc Warnervale NSW 23rd October 2011 2:24pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: View All John Mc's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Julie Roleystone WA 23rd October 2011 8:58pm #UserID: 154 Posts: View All Julie's Edible Fruit Trees |
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au0rey says... Wow great thread!!! Few questions to you guys : 1. Why do we need to be so concerned about the sizes? Why cant we buy the largest possible ones? The largest can be used to protect like say half a branch of fruits eg peaches. Or it still can be used to net one fruit right?? 2. I saw on tele once that a gardener used black organza. Can I know if the colour will make a difference? What is the best colour to use? Will certain colours attract certain animals more? Or will black help ripening better or white reflect off sunlight etc? You know what I mean? I feel that it is not just about making the tree look pretty but to maximise the use of the bags for yummy protected fruits. 3. I dont get fruit flies here (fingers crossed) but do you guys think these bags will protect fruits against birds? I know wont work on possums cos they will try to pluck the fruit, even if the fruit cannot be eaten but if plucked not fully ripened, it is still lost. Fruits like peaches wont ripen after plucking prematurely. THanks guys! Thanks for the helpful links! | About the Author au0rey Melbourne 7th January 2012 11:39am #UserID: 0 Posts: |
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John Mc says... I think I can help with a couple of questions. 1. I think it's just a cost factor. I'm using 16cm x 22cm organza bags ($33 del per 100)for figs. That same size covers a complete bunch of loquats nicely. The smaller bags are $10 cheaper per 100. 2. I'd like to know more on the colour aspect as well. ATM I'm using white and silver. 3. Last year I had a bird strike on the guavas. I have a growing family of king parrots, and do they know how to damage a crop? The bags limited the damage to half a dozen fruit, they worked hard to get through the bags, which were damaged beyond repair. all the rest were left untouched, not to mention no FF. Not a bad compromise. | About the Author John Mc Warnervale NSW 7th January 2012 8:14pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: View All John Mc's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author au0rey melbourne 7th January 2012 9:28pm #UserID: 1600 Posts: View All au0rey's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Julie Roleystone WA 7th January 2012 10:05pm #UserID: 154 Posts: View All Julie's Edible Fruit Trees |
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au0rey says... Yeah it isnt nice losing fruits like that. I lost a few to possums plucking them but leaving them tangling in the individual cut nets I put up around them. Still cant eat and have to throw them out. I saw on tele that insects are atttracted to certain colours eg the white on coriander appears to be a certain colour too them. And the yellow flowers on pak choy plants and curcubits certainly attractt white cabbage butterflies etc... | About the Author au0rey melbourne 8th January 2012 9:44am #UserID: 1600 Posts: View All au0rey's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author MaryT Sydney 7th February 2012 3:29pm #UserID: 5412 Posts: View All MaryT's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author MaryT Sydney 8th February 2012 9:05am #UserID: 5412 Posts: View All MaryT's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author amanda Geraldton, 400km North of Perth 8th February 2012 9:17am #UserID: 2309 Posts: View All amanda's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author au0rey melbourne 8th February 2012 1:22pm #UserID: 1600 Posts: View All au0rey's Edible Fruit Trees |
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MaryT says... Great au0rey! What size are the big ones? I use the smaller ones for figs individually. The largest ones I can get from blingin.com.au are 16x22cm @$17.99 per 100 (plus postage) on special today. http://blingin.com.au/organza-bags-silver-print-16x22cm-100-pack-p-9090.html but they wouldn't be big enough for bunches. | About the Author MaryT Sydney 8th February 2012 1:39pm #UserID: 5412 Posts: View All MaryT's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author au0rey 9th February 2012 1:22pm #UserID: 0 Posts: |
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| About the Author MaryT Sydney 9th February 2012 3:32pm #UserID: 5412 Posts: View All MaryT's Edible Fruit Trees |
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says... Just to alert you all that I discovered today that my cocona fruit has fruit fly larvae and it was in organza bag so I think we have to make sure that the bag has to be much bigger so the fruit won't touch the fabric otherwise the fruit fly can lay their eggs through the material. | About the Author JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE 13th March 2012 4:35pm #UserID: 2706 Posts: View All JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author snottiegobble Bunno & Busso ( smack in the middle) 13th March 2012 5:41pm #UserID: 3468 Posts: |
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| About the Author JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE 13th March 2012 5:45pm #UserID: 2706 Posts: View All JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author snottiegobble Bunno & Busso ( smack in the middle) 13th March 2012 8:24pm #UserID: 3468 Posts: |
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| About the Author Julie Roleystone WA 24th March 2012 12:19am #UserID: 154 Posts: View All Julie's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author John Mc Warnervale NSW 24th March 2012 7:32am #UserID: 2743 Posts: View All John Mc's Edible Fruit Trees |
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