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Here are the patients of my first attempt at grafting, if it works I will then post some pics, but I'm not very confident, it can't be as simple as from what I have read. If it is I will surely share what I have learn't with you.

On the small tree I have added four R2E2 scions, on the large tree I have added seven Strawberry Mango scions and three R2E2. Hopefully I will have some Sugar Mango, Peach Mango, Banana Mango and some Cherry Mango buds within a few weeks to add to the menagerie.

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Wayne says...
One very important lesson I have learnt so far is to not hold the scion in you mouth when preparing the stock. Not enough hands and what a stupid thing to do, my lips are in a bad way.
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SlickMick says...
Must remember that when I rework the top of my tree. :( ouch

Do you have any close ups of the grafts?

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Wayne says...
They are not very good pics Mick, it is dull and wet here, in fact we have had just three days without rain so far this month.

On the large tree I have grafted some R2E2 and Strawberry Mango so far and have used paraffin wax to seal the grafts. I couldn't get grafting wax and the recipe sounded complicated. I did find out that there is two types of paraffin wax, one is petroleum based used for making candles and the other is vegetable based and used also for sealing jams etc as well as other uses. I got it from Coles marketed by Fowlers Vacola and called preserving wax. http://homecooking.about.com/od/cookingfaqs/f/faqparaffin.htm

On the small tree I have grafted R2E2 and used just grafting tape. I don't know if I should have trimmed all the leaves from the scions ???

Time will tell.
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Wayne says...
#1 pic is of my pump station to show how wet it is here. Our yard is just one big bog, our Victorian friends would no doubt like to have the same problem.
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Jantina says...
Yep.
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SlickMick says...
Good luck with it all Wayne, keep in touch to let us know how things go :)
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Brendan says...
Hello Wayne, I would have removed all the leaves on the scions in photos 2 & 3. Leaving the leaves on sucks the goodness out the scion. Just a thought.
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Wayne says...
Thanks Brendan, I will go and snip them off.

What I am going to try is to use a 'water cleanup' silicon next time instead of the wax
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Brendan says...
Wayne, you may want to somehow put up some type of cover or a bed sheet over the scions to keep them cooler. This hot sun could kill your scions. Leave a good gap between the cover and the scions.
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Wayne says...
More good advise, thanks Bendan.

I am not going to be able to get the sugar, peach or cherry mangoes as I have been told that the trees have been cut out. I would really like a sugar mango if anybody knows of one.
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Edward says...
Hi Wayne
I have also been trying my hand at grafting mango and, after several unsuccessful attempts, have finally got one growing. My main problem was not knowing when to take the cutting. I knew that this should be done when the branches exhibit new buds about to start growing, but this was harder to determine than I thought. So my first few attempts were simply too early - the small buds did not budge after grafting and the scions died. The last attempt which worked was with a scion where the buds had just started to grow out.

You mentioned that you were going to try grafting banana mango. I have been looking on the internet to buy this variety but have found absolutely nothing. You are the first to mention this variety. Do you know any nursery where I can buy a banana mango tree? I found the fruit very tasty.
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Wayne says...
Edward, Since you posted I have been trying to get to the property where I would get the graft from but now we have a cyclone heading this way so I have been delayed again.

I have just spoken to the owner and she thinks there are seedlings under the tree unless her husband hasn't slashed them off. As soon as I can I will go up and check it out but the only problem is that the tree is growing amongst the R2E2 so we will have to be careful.

If I can I will get just some of the seeds, if not, perhaps a couple of seedlings and post them down to you.

I will report back when I get to the tree.
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Jantina says...
Hi Wayne, I hope you and all your family and plants get through the cyclone unscathed, we are thinking of you.
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Wayne says...
Hi Jantina, in another couple of hours the cyclone will be East of us and moving South/South East, the wind is swinging to the South now which is good. The watch is out for right down to the Sunshine Coast now.

We have had about 6 inches of rain out of it with moderate winds, pretty good really, considering it is a cat 5 with 295 k winds.
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SlickMick says...
If you have a look at this link you will see it in all its glory. http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR222.loop.shtml
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Jantina says...
Oh that looks a bit scary to me.
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Jantina says...
How goes it Wayne? The map looks a lot less scary now.
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Wayne says...
It's all done Jantina , still very wet though, thanks for your thoughts.
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Wayne says...
"You mentioned that you were going to try grafting banana mango. I have been looking on the internet to buy this variety but have found absolutely nothing. You are the first to mention this variety. Do you know any nursery where I can buy a banana mango tree? I found the fruit very tasty."

Here you go Edward, the people with the Banana Mango tree have brought in three seedlings so if we can work out some way of getting them to you, you are most welcome to them.

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Edward says...
Thanks Wayne, but I was after a grafted banana mango tree because I thought they don't come true to type. About 30 years ago there was a nursery at Grandchester in SE Queensland run by Mr and Mrs Archer, and they sold this variety of mango. However, they have long ago sold their nursery, and I can't find any other nursery listing this variety.

You mentioned that you knew a property where they had a banana mango tree. Was that tree grown from seed, and if so, are the mangoes good tasting? If so, then maybe it's worth trying to grow seedlings. After eating some banana mangoes which we bought a couple of months ago, I did plant the seeds and they are growing. But I have this doubt about whether the fruit will be any good. The fruit we bought was very tasty indeed.
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AK says...
Someone told me that if several seedlings grow from one seed,then the fruits will come true to type,if only one seedling grows from the seed,then it would need to be grafted.
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Julie says...
That's sort of true. The Kensington (or Bowen) mango will have several shoots which will grow true to type. Other types will only have one shoot. Apparently these are not as common.

So it seems to depend on the type of mango.Don't know if this helps!
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Wayne says...
If you look closely at my photo you will see a second shoot beside the right hand plant, so, ??????

Edward, I went up to the farm today, these trees are from a parent being 50-60-80 years old, so who knows if they're grafted or not.

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Edward says...
Yes, I can see the second shoot which is very interesting. I planted 3 seeds and each one produced only one shoot, hence I thought this variety is monoembryonic, and so would not come true to type as it is produced by cross-pollination. It is only in the case of polyembryonic varieties like the Bowen mango that you get several shoots, of which all but one are produced asexually and are true to type. The single shoot which is produced sexually is not true to type and is usually discarded - you can usually recognize it as the most weedy-looking weakest one.

Wayne, you may be in luck with the plant which has 2 shoots, but it would be worth taking those 2 shoots out to see whether they came from the same seed. Note that the 2 shoots should not be from the same plant branching out under the soil, but simply growing very close to each other with separate root systems and can be separated without cutting them apart.
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M Nash says...
Wayne, I found a banana Mango grafted onto bowen at Bunnings Tweed heads south. Worth a try at your local if your still searching.
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Wayne says...
All done thanks mate, a cyclone knocked my trees around somewhat so I'm just getting them to recover. I couldn't believe the amount of disease the wind brought with it
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eddyJ says...
From what I have been able to discover the "Banana Mango" is the common name the Aussie growers have given the Thai cultivar "Kwan Dok Mai". They are often eaten green and are reminiscent of a Granny Smith apple in texture and acidity. When fully ripe they are yellow skinned with sweet yellow flesh.
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eddyJ says...
My apologies. I got the name of the Thai cultivar wrong. The correct name is "Nam Dok Mai"
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margi says...
this is a message for Wayne - i am desperate to get a strawberry mango tree. i haven't been able to find one.
i was very excited to read your comment that you had some. any chance of getting a strawberry mango seedling from you?
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Edward says...
Seeing that nurseries always sell Nam Doc Mai as a grafted tree, this suggests that Nam Doc Mai does not grow true from seed. So the photo posted by Wayne in which one of the plants seems to have 2 shoots is intriguing. Wayne - do you know if they came from the same seed?
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BJ says...
Hi Edward, I think the below link should help. It lists NDM as a 'P' type seed, and adds that:

It is generally accepted that there are two main types of mango, the Indian and the Indochinese.

Indian Types typically have monoembryonic seeds and often highly colored fruit. The fruit tend to be more susceptible to anthracnose and internal breakdown.

Indochinese Types typically have polyembryonic seeds and fruit often lack attractive coloration (i.e., they are green, light green, or yellow). The fruit tend to be relatively resistant to anthracnose.

In many areas of the tropics, there are seedling mangos which do not clearly fit in either of these types. Some of these are 'Turpentine', 'Number 11', 'Madame Francis', and 'Kensington'.


http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/mg216
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Valencia says...
I would like to know were can i find the peach mango tree
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Izzi Dole says...
Valencia: I had a grafted peach mango tree planted in the ground almost 20 years old and had about 15 mangoes every year but unfortunately had to remove it last week because it was diseased.I have never come across a peach mango tree lately. Probably they may have changed the name.But there are very similar ones for sale with a pinkish tinge skin.
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