Guava tees in melbourne

Kath Kermode says...
Your guava produces some beautiful leaf colours in winter in Melbourne. It could be a seasonal or climatic effect that has resulted in less fruit in one year compared to another. My brains trust suggests defoliating your tree in October could help it to push flowering buds earlier and you will have a longer season for your fruits to ripen, this will be important in your cooler southern climate.

Richard says...
I purchased my Guava Tree from a Nursery in melbourne about three years ago, and I have lost the tag but iI am sure that it is a Hawaiin.
The tree itself has not grown very tall but has spread into a small bush, aorund three feet tall.

In winter I make sure that I cover the tree from frost as we live in a very cold area near the dandenongs. However, this year the leaves have still not fallen.

lynne says...
Hi Richard
Just wondering if you remember which nursery in Melbourne you bought the guava tree from? I'm in Melbourne and would like to get one too. Thanks
Lynne

lynne says...
Hi Richard
Thanks very much for the tips. Will definitely visit Gardensmart - hard to find people/nurseries here who know about tropical plants. I planted pineapple guava, persimmon, loquat and kiwifruit plants last w/e. Hope they will survive. I didnt'think you could grow mangoes here. Must be possible if they're sold here? the guavas in your photo are magnificent.
Lynne

Alan Annon says...
Thanks Richard. Message received. My problem is the Bunningsworld mentality. My constructive suggestion would be to buy trees from nurseries not hardware/supermarkets. I love Dandenong. My guts are strong and healthy,thanks for asking.

jim says...
Can Richard keep us up to date with the health of his mangoes? Sounded like a juicy discussion!

Sandy says...
Hello Richard,
I am in melbourne's eastern area, I have 2 strawberry guavas, I transplanted after our frosts had gone. They are in a good quality potting mix, and I added cow manure with all purpose granular fertiliser. hey presto, new buds are growing all over them. I also have a Hawwiian guava in ground close to the back porch, new growth also!. All mine were bought from Daley's. I hope mine get fruit too. We water every day with a watering can, and use sugar cane mulch around base.

Sandy says...
Hi Richard,
I sure will keep you informed of how ours is going. keep the mulch around the bottom, in hot weather, and make sure you keep your tree covered in plastic during winter. Lucerne and Pea straw are also good mulches too.We live at chadstone, not faer from waverley road. Flower Power garden centre is across the road, so it's very handy!

Sandy says...
yes, I'd love to see the garden, if you let me know when and where. I have a pic of acai palms, do you know much asbout these?
sandy

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Sandy says...
Thanks Richard, I have made a note of the address and ref. etc. Will be looking out for that, next time.
I have my car, so no problem. Currently at flower power, they have a sale on with fruit trees, all kinds. priced around 15 dollars to 40 dollars.
sandy

John says...
Sorry, looks like a Java guava to me, which is white inside aswell. I would do it in late march, early april. To late in september. Normally, you would need to cut it back a third first. I think however your problem may be the root ball. If its rock hard when you pull it out you would have to loosen that up carefully. In most plants that would be by cutting around the edges. I just have no idea about your pot. Soak the plant before you transplant it aswell. If there like my guavas, they are very tollerent, even of that backwater of a city called melbourne. hehehehe

Texas Lady says...
I need help..Does anyone know if I can ship Acai Palms to the U.S? Or if I can purchase them here and if so where? Any information will be more than appreciated. Thanks Texas Lady

juanita says...
Accdg to the plant tag/label it's an indian guava, psidium guajava variety allahabad safeeda..If it turns out to be from java, it's still ok w/ me...
I've just transferred the tree onto the ground last wk.

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juanita says...
Hi Arun,
I don't know much about in getting rid of fruit flies as i don't see it here in Melb..I thought fruit flies feast on fruits not leaves? Try organic insecticide like "phyrethrum" (spell?), it shld be able to get rid of the nasties...My Indian guava didn't shed much leaves this yr,but all the leaves have turned reddish colour as usual...Hopefully you'll get more helpful hints from anyone here.

Jantina says...
I think it would be the cooler temperatures.

Richard says...
Hi Sharma,

I have an indian guava tree growing in Melbourne and it loses its leave evry winter. To protect the tree cover it with Hesan Cloth until spring.
My trees have in the past given me atleast 5 good size guavas

Richard

Richard says...
Hi Sharma,
I have already coverd all my tropical trees .In view that we are having a cold autumn it would be advisable to do so.
My guava tree is already losing its leaves, and the Mango tree has been frost bitten.
regards
Richard

Jantina says...
Hi Sharma, Richards advice is good. I don't have any experience with growing tropicals from seed, I'd say someone like trikus, Wayne or fruitist (we haven't heard from you in a while fruitist) would be your best bet for that advice. With my subtropicals what I do depends on the hardiness of the particular plant. Check out your garden for the warmest, most sheltered ,frostfree place with as good a light as possible and go from there. Your most tender things might need to go under a verandah or inside. Since the tropics are drier in winter keep the plant on the dry side.Every place has it's own particular microclimates and soil and what grows well at your place may not grow next door, it's a matter of trial and error and alas the yards of us marginal planters is littered with the bodies of those that didn't make it. On the good side some things do surprisingly well, for instance here below Mt. Gambier I can grow Cherimoya, avocado,white sapote etc as well as things like apples, walnuts, persimmons etc. If you get frosts walk around early in the morning and make note of where the frost sits and where there's none, that will guide you on planting sites. If you go to the growing subtropical plants in Melb. thread you will get lots more tips. Good luck.

Sharma says...
Hi Richard,
It seems that you are too attracted to tropical fruits.....it that gooseberry indian gooseberry which is also called amla.
I have been trying growing curry leaf tree but have not been successful I don't know what went wrong. I will try again with a good and healthy plant if i find.
I think if you get a grafted jackfruit tree it may be more hardy and may give fruit early.
Good luck with your garden.

Jantina says...
HI Max00, I have one in a pot in a sunny place protected from frost and I keep it on the dry side in winter and it is doing well here in downtown Mt. Gambier.

amanda says...
Hi Brinal, I don't know if this helps but I have an Indian and a Hawiian guava - both 3yrs. This yr they both carried a huge crop - the hawiian dropped almost all it's fruit when they where golf ball size and the indian carried it's crop right thru. The only thing I did different to them was to give the hawiian a feed and a big water.
I think I may have spoilt it into dropping it's fruit.

Your tree may be a bit young and small to carry a big crop yet? Glowinski says they are heavy feeders and fruit on new growth - so they really need to be pruned to encourage more fruiting wood. You shouldn't have any problem growing them Sydney I would imagine.

amanda says...
Hi Sharma - burnt leaves could be one of many things - might be worth doing a pH test on the soil first.
It can come about from mechanical damage (ie wind, sun) nutrient deficiency (eg potassium, magnesium), toxicity (eg too much nitrogen) or salinity, for example.
You may want to do a search on the net - there are some good sites with photos which may help.

amanda says...
Hey richard - is that cos' of the cold? my guavas a little bit the same (but always - regardless of season) but not my 3 mangoes (which I think would be more sensitive..?)

amanda says...
Hi Brinal, I'm not sure about your weather there - it may be better to wait until it warms up b4 pruning (eg spring) u could always prune one or two branches in the meantime as an experiment - my guava is putting out new growth after a good prune in autumn but it's probly' warmer here.

The aim is to develop some good strong branches at wide angles - to carry the weight of the fruit on the new growth - your tree will increase it's production as it gets older so it needs to be strong. I find it hard chopping branches off my trees :( - but it's a necessary evil. I try to leave branches on as long as possible (I call them nursery branches - they make food for the tree to grow too) but I contain their size by heading them off...it takes a lot of energy for a tree to grow a branch so u don't want to be lopping off big branches if u can help it. Big wounds also take longer to heal. I review pruning ever year to avoid this.

I only use organic slow release type fertilisers myself...blood n bone (to which I add 10% potash), manure and sometimes dynamic lifter and lots of straw. Personally - I feel that too much food at the wrong time inhibits flowering - but a feed after harvest is important. If the tree looks lush n green then it probly' doesn't need anything?

You may find that starts to flower better in the next year - unless it's too shaded...

I hope this helps...u may want to look at some books on pruning too - it's actually not as scary as people think!

Kath says...
Hi Amanda,
I don't do nearly as much in my orchard as I should. My trees were lucky to have a new years resolution last year which was to get the orchard under control, they enjoyed this. They have not been so fortunate this year though and are in desperate need of a thick layer of lucerne mulch. Fertilizer - old cow manure, chook pellets and compost. I thin lay down newspaper 8 sheets thick to keep the kikuyu at bay and cover this in mulch. I try to use a different mulch each year to build up different textures and nutrients. Luckily I have fabulous soil, black volcanic basalt soil. It is a little on the heavy side of things though, so far I have killed 8 avocados, number 9 is looking fabulous though!
My biggest problems are the grass - in the subtropics it grows behind us as we mow it off. Time - never enough time to get around my trees. Birds - who do not know how to share, just as well those king parrots are gorgeous.

Liza says...
Dear Kath,
I bought several Indian Guavas from Diaco's Nursery in the Old Dandenong Road. I believe that Indian Guavas have white flesh and the Hawaiian, pink. One was given away by me as a gift. All the trees get maroon leaves in winter.Did you mention that one has to pull these leaves off? My guavas are pretty slow growers but take quite well to cool winters. They need watering during very hot weather, otherwise they stress. I have mine netted as the possums were eating off all new leaves.
I wonder what fertilizer does one use for them and when, and how long before they fruit. Your garden is amazing. Regards.

amanda says...
Hello Shankar.. potassium sulphate (potash) goes on the ground and is watered in (or rained in..if u get lots of rain!) It encourages flowering and fruit "set" - amoung other things. If you do a google search on the Net u will find lots of info! :)

Dave says...
This is a Indian Guava I grew from seed, 4 years ago, well over 6ft, quite gangly when leaves are sparse, lots of fruit

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Vijay says...
Maybe the cold in Sydney, I have an Indian guava tree and produced three beautiful fruit this year - most delicious

HappyEarth says...
Hey Sharma ... wait and new growth should appear in the next month.

Rich
www.happyearth.com.au

HappyEarth says...
Is the plant still alive? Scrap a bit of the bark back and have a look. A lot of subtropical plants are semi-deciduous in cooler climates - losing most of their leaves about now just before putting on new growth. My guava is just strating to put on new growth now.

Rich
www.happyearth.com.au

Sharma says...
Thanks Ellen,
I am happy to hear that my guava tree would grow...i am very found of this fruit ...there is a variety called allahabad guava.... this is the best that i have tasted till now.
keeping my fingers crossed....
Sharma

Sharma says...
Hi Kalindi,
Use some potash and water well for your guava plant ..then use compost and mulch well.
Next year you would surely get a good result.

Sharma says...
Kalindi,
I got the potash from bunnings...cost me $9.
I have just planted Champaca tree near my bedroom and now during hot days i get the smell of the lovely flowers.I think every one should have one in their garden.
Michelia Champaca.

Richard says...
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Richard says...
Hi Sharma,

Picture 4 above is a Jackfruit Plant gorwn from seeds.

I am not sure what is a JuJube.

perhaps you can enlighten me and I will try.
maybe one day we will meet each other as you are not far from me.

Regrads
Richard

Richard says...

Hi Juanita,
I do not know the type of the Banana tree as I was given a suckling from an friend.
I planted the tree facing north against a fence protected by other trees. I get bananas every year.They die down and come back with new sucklings.My guava tree is next to the banana tree and is proceted by the fence and the neighbours.
I cut down the old trees in early spring and new sucklings come up.I never cover the Banana tree.I do not do anything special/Just lucky


Richard

Sharma says...
Hi Richard here is what i have gathered from google...
JUJUBE
Common Names: Jujube, Chinese Date, Tsao.

Related Specie: Indian Jujube (Ziziphus mauritiana).

Distant Affinity: Purple Haw (Colubrina texensis), Raisin Tree (Hovenia dulcis).

Lyn says...
Hi Richard,
May I know what do you feed your guava tree? I have a beautiful plant in a pot with beautiful leaves but no fruit. I think it's about three years old now. I did try some potash in summer.

Violet_Cactus says...
Hi Geepeem, on 'Gardening Australia" last year they had a segment about how to kill Strawberry Guava trees. They are considered a weed in Australia's north.

Down here in Melbourne my guavas, all six varieties, are doing *really* well. They are currently giving us a beautiful Autumn harvest, and no fruit fly to bother us!

Violet_Cactus says...
Hi Phil,
Taste-wise, eaten fresh out of hand, my favourites are the so-called 'Pineapple Guava" which is really a feijoa, the Strawberry Guava and the Yellow Cherry Guava. Delicious!
The fragrance of the feijoas is like an exquisite perfume, and they don't have all those little hard seeds!
Apparently guavas also have more Vitamin C than oranges...

I also have the Mexican Cream Guava, Indian Guava and the Hawaiian.

My Yellow Cherry Guavas do not have pink flesh - Phil, would you like to swap some seeds of those wild pink-fleshed ones?

Found some guava recipes here (the Guava Chiffon Pie looks luscious!):
http://www.justfruitrecipes.com/inxgua.html

http://recipeland.com/recipes/guava/

http://www.grouprecipes.com/s/guava-jelly/recipe/1/relevancy

http://www.squidoo.com/guava-shells-recipe

Mateen says...
Today I bought one Guava tree from Bunnings Springale for $10/-. Its about two feet high in pot. I don't know which fertilizer is suitable for this plant. This plant is from India. Just to ask you people did Guava trees servive in Melbourne weather ??. I appreciate if anybody could give me some more info about Guava tree planting.

Thanks / Mateen

Vijay says...
This year my guava tree produced 9 guavas, sadly they all grew quite large but all had worms in them. Not sure why, but i figured out that it may have been the rain and insects too.
so I bought my guavas from Woolies - and at a price too.

Mano says...
Indian Guavas - red fleshed are growing successfully in Melbourne. They bear very heavily too and can be harvested around the month of May.

culebra says...
I see them for time to time, they are quite common, but only the strawberry guava.
People don't know what they are so they let them rot on the tree/ground.... same deal with feijoa, pomegranate (especially!), persimon, quince, figs etc etc. such a waste!
people these days don't eat fruit :(

Sandy says...
I just bought 2 strawberry guavas, for something different to try and for a different taste, but am still waiting for the fruit to appear.
I buy tropical fruits when I can afford them, in the supermarket, and try new ones whenever I can.
I dont like wasting food, either, and make the most of what I have. I try and follow the directions on the tag or out of a book, where possible.

Diana says...
Hi Vijay,

I bet what you had in your guavas was fruit fly. Guavas are about the top of the list of the most fruit fly prone trees in Brisbane. They way to avoid it next year is to bag them at a small size (when the fruit is green, hard and small still). I use green harvest tomato bags, but a piece of mozzie netting or paper bag tied on will do.

Diana.

Steven says...
Hi richard, you say your banana is fruiting in melbourne outdoors?

Do you protect it in winter. i have mine in pots awaiting the greenhouse to be finished, i put them close to the house during winter. they die back a bit and dont look the best but they shoot back up in spring. but i didnt think they would do very well in the ground.

Richard Okeeffe says...
Hi Sampa,
yes it was but having been in Europe for the past 7 weeks it has since died.i bought in from an indian grocery store in dandenong called MKS

Richard

tim j says...
Hi Richard, I was wondering what kind of guava yours is? The one right back that begun this post in 2007. I notice it has purplish leaves, is that just the new growth?

Cheers, Tim

Brendan says...
Hi Lyn,
Guava trees are notorious for contracting Anthracnose, which can make flowers drop.
Mancozeb Plus is the recommended spray, but you'll need to add a good wetting agent.
After the tiny fruit form, add copper oxychloride to the mancozeb mix, and spray weekly for 4 weeks.

snottiegobble says...
Tempted in Bunnings Busso, yesterday, Tropical Guava( tall tree)very healthy plants about 60cm tall under $14.
The question is should I ??

snottiegobble says...
Hi Amanda, not sure what these are at Bunnings, will take another look! I grew strawberry & strawberry yellow in Vic no probs & tasted feijoas but not tropical guavas. If they are anything like the above I would be happy!
Will email soon!

fruitist says...
Melt in the mouth pulp

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kert says...
Yes, you can grow guavas in colder parts of Oz. No problem . The cherry guava is dead easy to grow and tastes as it should ; the Hawaiian also grows well but I pulled it out. Why? It had no flavour at all. Same goes for a green skinned ,smaller variety whose name I did not know but picked up on the side of the road in Cairns.

Mark says...
Texas Lady,,, Shipping or Importing plants to or from overseas is always a nightmare.(except maybe for companies?) .... Your Best Bet,, would be to check with the Requirements of the USA Customs,& also with the Customs Dept. of Australia. .... You may find that your plants may leave the country,but cannot enter the USA,or vice-versa. ... You really only have 3 Options. 1/ You can just ship your plants & "hope for the best".(not a clever idea.) Or 2/ You can check the Customs Requirements of BOTH Countries & adhere to them.(best choice I'd say). Or 3/ You can try your hand at being a plant smuggler & Go To Jail when you get caught! (this is a great idea if you are a real dummy. otherwise, forget about it!) ..... There is also a 4th option.... 4/ You can just forget about the whole thing. .... "Personally,, I'd go with the 2nd Option. It's the only one that stands a chance of getting you a good result. .... Whatever you do,, "Good Luck."

Mark says...
Vijay,, Those 'worms'in your fruit may have been 'Fruit Fly larvae'? considering where you come from. ... In any case,it would be a good precaution to get them sprayed for it.

snottiegobble says...
Actually Mark I had never heard of the word until moving to WA 2 years ago.
The word SNOTTYGOBBLE refers to a local native species Persoonia longifolia that produces an edible fruit part of which reminded someone once of 'something distastful' & that is how it got its nickname.
Unfortunately snottygobbles,along with banksia, jarrah & grass trees are amongst those worst affected by Phytophthora dieback disease which is a major problem here in WA.
Ps. I just changed the spelling a little for my persona.

randey says...
you can pluck them but you may find the sugar levels are drastically reduced. best to try a net covering and some repellant and leave the fruit as long as possible. hope this helps.

Nick says...
Mmmm strawberry guavas... I've only picked them while they are fully ripe. I was wondering, why cant I buy a yellow cherry guava off Daley's? I dont understand how it is quarantined for Victoria while I've seen plenty of strawberry guavas around at bunnings, down the street and at Diggers (I'm assuming both types of guavas are weeds). Can anyone help or suggest another place to buy them from (excluding Diggers :P)?

J says...
I bit the bullet and ended up buying some bird netting from monbulk rural (thanks for that info, dave!) Great prices, great netting. The strawberry guavas are now covered.

Nick, the only place/person outside of bunnings and diggers that I know of that sells yellow cherry/Strawberry guavas is peter the permie. Google him. I've found the bunnings "pick me edibles" strawberry guavas to be great. 10$ per plant and they fruited in a year for me.

J says...
I'm not sure if the pick me edibles ones are seed or cutting grown their website doesn't indicate it either, nick. I'd say cutting grown but I'm just speculating. I bought a non-pick me edibles strawberry guava that was much larger (and cost about 25$) from bunnings about the same time as I bought the other ones, and that one has only set two fruit so far. Plenty of flowers but not much fruit! So stick with the pick me edibles for now.

Peter says...
Most of the yellow cherry guavas, except a few odd ones. There is much more variation in the red cherry guava (=strawberry guava) according the the CSIRO book 'Discovering fruit and nuts'

Nick says...
Any ideas how I can go about grafting/ budding my seed-grown indian guava? I've heard the seedlings are unreliable but also that grafting is difficult.

Nick says...
Sorry for the slow reply, thanks amanda, I might try that out sometime (probably have a book somewhere that explains it :P).

amanda says...
I use Dynamic lifter on my guavas (about 20 plants) and get fruit by the bucket load..?? DLifter is not high in nitrogen Esskay (around 5) - it's more mid-range.

Nick says...
Hi Rajiv, its seems the general opinion is that guava hardwood cuttings are extremely difficult to root but most websites recommend root cuttings and one http://www.cabi.org/GARA/FullTextPDF/Pre2000/19900359749.pdf) says that tip cuttings can root fairly well. If you want to try something that is quick and easy I suggest seed because they seem to grow fairly true (my 1yo strawberry guava is flowering!!). :)

Esskay says...
Hi Nick,

I saw and brought coupel of Indian Guava small plants inpor\t from Bunnings! Next week I saw about 10-15. Looks like they are now popular. So try Bunnings!

Mike says...
There are Indian Guavas in the Bunnings stores in Cairns as well.They also have Thai white,hawaiin,both coloured cherry guavas and recently had mexican creams.They appear to be getting a bigger range of fruit trees and even have some of the better,rarer types.

A.Ikhlas says...
Generally No but air layyering and seeding, yes

amanda says...
Done a pH test Nick? If the soil is tending alkaline - the choices are iron, manganese and zinc. Iron deficiency affects the youngest leaves first. Personally - I find it pretty hard to tell the difference between zinc and manganese, in real life, so I use the Manutec Zn/Mg mix.

Was it home made compost? (I always pH test outside stuff) sometimes the effect of manures etc is only temporary - but forewarned is forearmed.

I am guessing iron - some iron chelates are the go (or iron sulphate to the soil)
Magnesium deficiency tends to leave a distinct 'wedge' of green along the leaf rib - which gets wider towards the stalk end.

amanda says...
Well that's easier to work with Nick...The acidic soil folks here will be able help?
(was it that pH under those two plants too though?)
There is probably not much point in adding trace elements until you correct/tweak the soil pH...

Eg: at pH 5 the "availability" of NPK, S, Ca, Mg is less - it doesn't mean it's not there in your soil necessarily - it can just mean that it's not in a form that is available to your plants - because of the high acid levels.

So you can keep adding those elements - but not much will happen. Once your pH is sorted then you can see better what your soil may actually be "physically" deficient in..

Hope this makes sense? :)

amanda says...
Hey Nick - yes that can happen too! :/ When laboratory soil analysis is done it can be done on half a dozen samples taken from different parts of your property...and in each of those 6 spots u can take a few representative samples and mix together to make up just one of the six samples...

It's a good idea to pH test here and there and get a feel for different parts of your property...I used to use my kit a lot when I first started here - now things have 'settled down' and I rarely need to check it now.

It's the very first thing I reach for, though, when I have a plant with a deficiency that I am not expecting. I also keep an eye on the pH of my potted trees too.
I do check soil amendments sometimes...many are very alkaline! This is usually transient though - but may cause a transient problem in the tree also. I don't know about u - but I often forget what I have added here and there...and often I use very different ingredients too..(depending on what I can scavenge also :)

It should end up fairly even in the long term (unless you have a pine tree or such in the backyard!...) if you use Organic matter to help buffer your pH.

Nick says...
Congratulations Ariel! :)

amanda says...
Hi Dwain..I'll have a bash ;) More info would help though...have you put these in the ground recently at all? (like last 2 months or so..?)

The leaf colour is good - so I wouldn't be too worried about it - yet. I do get some leaf eating weevils here and they are quite partial to my strawberry guavas (I have about 16 plants) so I do get leaves like this too...they munch the edges of the leaves - causing 'puckering' and missing bits...

See how they go for a bit. They will be due to put out some healthy new growth about now, or soon (not sure about melb climate) as the weather warms.

(ps - there is a little bit of paleness between the leaf veins - what are u feeding them and what is your soil pH? They are usually very, very hardy plants tho')

Tina says...
Hi Richard,
How tall is the guava tree after 3 years? Thanks.

Ariel says...
Thanks Nick..it has sign of flowering now too...

db says...
Hi All, I would like to know which guava variety tastes best. Recently I bought Hawaiian Guava seedling plant from Daleys and was planning to put in in ground until I read some comments above that Hawaiian Guava does not have flavour at all, is it really the case? Does anyone thinks Hawaiian also has good flavour? How does this pink one compares to Indian Allahabad guava taste-wise? Yellow and strawberry guava sounds good but they are smaller fruits, I'm after bigger fruits like Hawaiian. Any suggestions?

Tom says...
Our Hawai'ian guavas have a strong, sweet taste, which is what I expected from all that I'd heard about them before we put them in. We use fish emulsion, cow manure, grass clippings, and wasted coffee grinds as fertilizer / mulch; so maybe that helps their flavour.

We have several varieties growing in espalier among citrus to try to keep greening away from our lemons and limes (so far, it's working), and I think the best tasting of them are the pink-fleshed ones: Barbie Pink, Hawai'ian Red (Pink), Hong Kong Pink, Pink Mexican Cream (the best of them all!), and Ruby Supreme. Among our white ones which have fruited, the Yellow Mexican Cream is the best - very strong, very sweet flavour. Recommend putting each fruit in a large organza bag once it's about 3cm round to keep fruit flies out.

We put in Lemon and Strawberry Guavas (Cattley Guava) a couple years ago, and I'm about to pull them out because they're poor tasting, too small, and more abundant in fruit flies.

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