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Jantina starts with ...
Hello out there, does anyone know where I can buy a pouteria lucoma (?lucmo) in Australia? thanks Jantina
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Jantina
Mt. Gambier S.A.
12th September 2008 9:02pm
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fruitist says...
Lucmo can be grown in SA. There are more hardy Poueria species. My 3 year old has 2 almost ripe fruits now. Fruit looks like a mini Papaya, abour 6 inches long. Try Limberlost at Cairns although they have trimmed down on fruit trees especially grafted ones last 3 years.
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fruitist
Brisbane south
13th September 2008 1:13am
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HappyEarth says...
anyone know if the lucmo self-pollinating or do you need more than one tree ?

Rich
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HappyEarth
Wollongong
13th September 2008 7:28am
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Jantina says...
Thankyou fruitist, I will chase that up.Happy Earth, that is a good question, hopefully Limberlost can tell me. My fruit bible(Louis Glowinski)only says that the lucmo will grow wherever lemons thrive and they certainly thrive here.I will let you know if I find out.
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Jantina
Mt. Gambier S.A.
13th September 2008 8:53pm
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Jantina says...
HappyEarth, just checked out your website. A great read,informative and inspirational.Thankyou for all the hard work you put in to setting your site up and making it available to us. A big tick for believing that information should be and wants to be free!Lots of luck with your vision, I know how rewarding it is because we are doing much the same thing just in a cooler climate.
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Jantina
Mt. Gambier S.A.
13th September 2008 9:47pm
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HappyEarth says...
Thanks for your kind words Jantina. Glad you enjoyed the site. Fantastic to hear you are doing similar things in south australia. Good luck with the lucmo ... let us know how it goes down the track when you managed to source and plant one out :)
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13th September 2008 10:40pm
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Jantina says...
Dear Anonymous, thankyou for that info. Do you have a lucmo? Cheers Jantina
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Jantina
Mt. Gambier S.A.
15th September 2008 6:40pm
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Jantina says...
Hello Fruitist, I wrote an email to you earlier but it seems to have escaped into cyberspace. Anyway I was interested to hear more about the hardy pouterias you spoke of.Thanks to you I have now ordered some lucmos from Limberlost. Have to wait a year for them and then pay big$s freight but thats the way it goes. Jantina
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Jantina
Mt. Gambier S.A.
15th September 2008 6:46pm
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fruitist says...
Hi Jantina,

It was me earlier who said self pollinating. A friend of mine in Innisfail bought a grafted one (not sure about this) a year after I bought mine and his bore him a fruit earlier than mine. This probably has to do with the warmer weather. I now attached photos of the 2 fruits.

Actually I bought my Lucuma from Nutty Berry in Brisbane which I think has since closed down the nursery. She ordered it from another guy who I forgot the name now who used to run the Nutty Berry nursery and then moved to FNQ.
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15th September 2008 10:44pm
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fruitist says...
Just ate my first fruit from my own tree. Fruit fell off from the stalk for 2 days. Taste almost same as Canistel, though less fermenting flavour. Texture less dense than Canistel. Ate the skin too.
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20th October 2008 8:58am
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fruitist says...
Judging from the shape of the fruit, I think mine is a real Lucuma. The tree was ordered from Nutty Berry Nursery which in turn got it from Franz Honnef in FNQ, I think. There is a picture of the "Lucuma" fruit in TradeWind web site. The shape of that fruit is exactly the same as my Canistel fruits whose seedling tree I bought from Casper. I used to have a grafted Canistel from Daleys which has half moon shaped fruits. Lucuma is so rare that even my Brazilian friends don't have the trees so I think a lot of confusion between the two trees/fruits.

I haven't seen any Canistel fruits which have the shape in Pictures 1 and 2. Any one who has seen Ross Sapote want to comment? I will talk to my FNQ friends about Ross Sapote this week.

My seeds will go to my FNQ friends first, then Brazillians then me. I might try to graft onto my Canistel seedling.
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20th October 2008 9:22am
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Jantina says...
Hi fruitist,very interesting, I can only hope that the ones I ordered are the correct plant.Have to admit that I have given lucumas little thought since being in Japan and chasing up pawpaws,akebias,Japanese taro,lotus root and looking at all the delightful little vegie gardens tucked into any available corner.Anyway can,t think straight this morning because we go home this afternoon and i,m too excited.Cheers Jantina
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20th October 2008 10:12am
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tr says...
I just saw some Canistels on a tree in Sth Johnstone , nearly exactly the same as your last 2 pics fruitist , funnily enough the guy growing them is a Ross .
I have seen several shapes of Ross/yellow sapote .
wikipedia shows slightly diferent shaped fruit , almost reverse of yours .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucuma
and what is this ? looks amazing ...
http://www.chileflora.com/Florachilena/FloraEnglish/HighResPages/EH0420.htm
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20th October 2008 10:32am
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fruitist says...
The Lucuma fruits in the picture in Wikipedia have the same shape of my grafted Canistel from Daleys.

One species Pouteria multiflora has smaller rounded fruits. Fruits are about 2 inches in diameter, almost round, and look just like a small Canistel. The seed is very large, and the pulp is very thin. The leaves are darker green, duller and broader about 12" by 3".

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20th October 2008 11:11am
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fruitist says...
The Pouteria splendens' leaves look very similar to Wongai Plum (Manilkara kauki)and both can grow in water. The fruits are very different. The seeds look similar, both have shining dark brown coat and a helium. Here is a picture of the Wongai Plum fruits and seeds.

Wongai Plum is growing wild in Cape York and Torres Strait Islands. A delicacy there.

There is another fruit called Wongay (Pouteria sericea) in Kimberleys. It can grow in water too.
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20th October 2008 11:32am
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Sean says...
I got some Lucuma seeds when I was on holiday in Peru.I got a few of them to grow and my good plant is only about 50 cm but it looks happy and is stating to grow after surviving another winter fine. The fruit itself was a strange sot of texture, maybe a bit like wood putty but the taste was really nice and sweet with a Maple syrup taste.
By the way I think Paul Rieker ( not sure about his last name spelling) from nothern NSW has seeds available sometimes.
Sean
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Sean
Gippsland Victoria
3rd November 2008 11:20pm
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Jason says...
Reacher, but you would have to almost go knock on his door to convince Paul to go and grab some seeds. It'll will be faster for me to wait for you tree to fruit Sean :). I can wait 10 years. I was silly enough to let my 2 6 month old Lucumas die while I was in Mexico. Actually they got sunburnt just after I got back. I had a freind of mine over in Peru last year or so but they have got really strict with letting seed out of the country lately so It's very difficult to get anymore
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Portland, VIC
4th November 2008 1:39am
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Jantina says...
Hi Jason, fruitist put me on to Limberlost nursery ,where I have 3 grafted lucumas on order.The tree price was quite reasonable, about $27 but the postage is horrendous.Anyway he says it will be a year before they are ready and by that time I might have worked out a cheaper way to get them here.Perchance I might even be able to give you seeds and scion material before 10 years!Of course in this game it is better not to count your chickens just yet! Do not know if you saw my post to you on sunday under avocado?Could you possibly email me your ph. no. or email address so I can contact you if we are coming in your direction.? You could then tell me if it suits you for us to call, or not as the case may be.Thanks Jantina.P.S. Sean, most reassuring to know your lucumas are doing well in Gippsland which has a climate similar to Mt. Gambier ,please keep us posted on your progress.
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Jantina
Mt. Gambier S.A.
4th November 2008 8:44am
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Sean says...
Paul was great with me, he just gave me a couplpe of Lucuma seeds as extra when I was ordering something else off him. He said he just wanted to see how they grew down here.
Sean
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Gippsland Victoria
4th November 2008 8:51pm
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Jantina says...
Sean, do you mind telling me how Paul operates e.g.does he have a list?how do you contact him?
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Jantina
Mt. Gambier S.A.
4th November 2008 10:37pm
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Anonymous says...
I havn't contacted him in a long time,but if you are ever up that way he has a wonderful garden. He did have a web site but I cant seem to find it. Try looking for his nursery which is called Fruit Spirit Botanic Gardens.
Good luck Sean
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6th November 2008 9:14pm
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Jantina says...
Thankyou Sean, I have done that and found an address and a phone no.It says there is no website but no matter a ph. no. is good.Jantina
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Jantina
Mt. Gambier S.A.
6th November 2008 10:49pm
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Jantina says...
Phil, I got on to Paul.Apparently the lucuma he has tend to bear biennially and as luck would have it ,this is the off year! However next year he is expecting a good crop (200 + fruits) and he said to ring back at this time next year and he is bound to have seeds available.
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Jantina
Mt. Gambier S.A.
7th November 2008 11:36am
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Steve says...
I recently became interested in growing Lucuma after meeting a Peruvian.
He said in Peru the fruit is usually blended into a drink.
I've read that it prefers high altitudes & as Peru is very dry, I assume it may not enjoy my sub tropical & humid climate.
However I read a post earlier here that Paul is growing them in northern NSW.
Any idea of when they crop (re fruit fly problem)?
I grow around 60 friut & nut trees but because most of the summer crop is lost through fruit flies I'm trying to plant varieties that crop in the cooler months.
I felt sure I would be able to buy Lucuma plants from Daleys.
What is happening in the world today, or is life not meant to be easy?
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Coffs Harbour
4th January 2009 8:04pm
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HappyEarth says...
Hey Steve, I was up at Pauls place about a month ago (Feb) and saw his lucuma with fruit - not sure about fruit fly though as i didnt get to sample the fruit.

Anyone have any luck sourcing some trees/seeds?

Rich
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HappyEarth
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2nd April 2009 2:40pm
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Jantina says...
Hi HappyEarth, Limberlost Nursery up north was taking orders, he told me it was about a years wait but he may have done some extras when he grafted mine, that was about 4 months ago.
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Mt. Gambier S.A.
3rd April 2009 8:38pm
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trikus says...
Just borrowed a great book , and info and pics show this sp. to have green skin [ or brown/green or even bronze ] and nearly round fruit . Would not grow in the tropics but is also not frost tolerant , esp. when small . Book is 'dISCOVERING Fruits and Nuts ' by SusaNna LYLE
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Tully
7th April 2009 8:47pm
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duane says...
is there anyplace i can buy fuerte avocado scions to graft with(in ca.) thanks.....duane
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United States
9th April 2009 2:07pm
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Jose L. says...
I have a just one lucuma, and it fruits without another lucuma near, but it fruits very little, I don´t know why.
Someone told me that there are two varieties (at least) of lucuma: "Lucuma de seda" (translated as Silk lucuma), an lucuma de palo (Stick lucuma). "Lucuma de seda" (mine) has more quality but smaller fruit with just one seed, and the tree is poor productive, and "Lucuma de palo" has less quality but bigger fruit, with more seeds, and the tree is more productive.
Last year I tried to pollininate with a brush without success... I noticed that the flowers had five phases, and I pollinated and marked one flower of each five, but none of them gave fruit.
This year, for example, my 6 feets tree has just one fruit (and many flowers). I have to say that I live in a very windy island, and may be the problem.
I got Lucuma de palo seeds, and now I have planted a seedling near the other one. Lets wait and see...
If you live in North Australia, you should get a Rollinia, relative to the custard apple, but better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQOcOZUlkhU
You can get it there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwfPcjEBbi8
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Jose L.
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9th April 2009 8:26pm
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Jose L. says...
One more thing. I speak of Pouteria lucuma, but the fruitist fruits are maybe Pouteria obovata, also called lucuma.
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Jose L.
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9th April 2009 8:32pm
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Jantina says...
Thanks for that information Jose L. It seems there is quite a bit of confusion about lucumas I just hope that I have ordered the correct one. Good luck with your pollination efforts. Have you actually tasted a lucuma ? If so I would like to hear your opinion.
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Jantina
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9th April 2009 8:46pm
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Jose L. says...
Yes, Jantina, I have tasted it. It is very difficult to get the right ripening point (you should wait until the fruit drops itself, and wait 10-20 days more till it softens. But if you get the right point is delicious. Its strange because the pulp is dry, and it tastes to me like a walnut cream.
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Jose L.
Spain
10th April 2009 12:17am
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Jose L. says...
Oh! I´ve found an interesting peruvian page about lucuma culture. It´s in spanish, but if you don´t speak spanish you can get one of these awful automatic translations:

http://www.monografias.com/trabajos58/produccion-lucuma-peru/produccion-lucuma-peru.shtml

It has a second page (clik almost down and right)
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Jose L.
Spain
10th April 2009 12:23am
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trikus says...
THanks very much Jose . Finally some real info on a mysterious species . Goes to show how unreliable wikipedia and other internet sources can be . Just repeating wrong information as gospel truth . Many people are mistakingly growing forms of Canistel thinking they have Lucama .
Also my reference shows the 2 names synonomous Pouteria lucama & obovata.
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Tully
10th April 2009 10:52am
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Jose L. says...
Wikipedia says that P.lucuma and obovata are synonomous, but I don´t know. I have just seen obovata photos and have a different shape: my lucumas are all round. Maybe its a mistake with canistels (P.campechiana). I have a grafted canistel plant too, but it too small and it has not fruit yet. Maybe this year... And I have also a sapodilla about to fruit. This is also pretty rustic, and the fruit is said to be delicious. A must for you too... It is also pretty rustic the black sapote (it tastes like chocolate puding), and a white sapote (mine is not too good; too small fruits and have an unpleasant bitter pulp under the skin).
Some say that lucumas have a repulsive aftertaste, but I haven´t tasted something like that, unless the fruit is not perfectly rippen. Then it is... ¿astringent? I don´t know the word, kinda an unrippen quince... Yes, I thing it is a good way to understand what I mean...
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10th April 2009 5:17pm
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Phil. says...
Yes some of the true lucuma seem to have a green skin and yellow/orange flesh rather than being a canistel look-alike.
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10th April 2009 5:46pm
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denise says...
I have the Pouteria obovata, The fruit is roughly the shape of a chocolate pudding fruit. Definitely different to the canistel looking photos mentioned earlier on.. After several lean years it now carries 140 fruit that will ripen in october i guess, They are not best eaten fresh but really flash made into ice-creams, shakes. baking. I can spare some seeds in due course if anyone has some other good seeds to do a swap. The tree is a peruvian selection called 'Montalban' and is self pollenating.
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20th April 2009 8:47pm
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trikus says...
Denise I am certain many here would just love some of your seeds , and they may be allowed into Australia , BUT , I know it is hard getting seeds into NZ . I do not think it would grow well here in the tropics , though I would like to try .What would you like ? Lakoocha , Kwai Muk , Bunchosia , Pouteria viridis , Pouteria sapote , Theobroma cacoa , Coffee, Synsepalum dulcificum , Garcinia sp., perhaps brasiliensis.
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Tully
20th April 2009 11:01pm
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amanda says...
Qld DPI info says this if it's any help:

CANISTEL P. campechiana: Dark green, shiny leaves 12-25cm long etc..fruit ovoid, pointed at stigma end with a smooth yellow to orange sking enclosing a mealy, yellow pulp with several large, shiny seed. Fruit size 4-5cm dia 5-17cm long Wgt up to 1.5kg.

LUCMO P. obovata: Lucmo is similar to canistel with larger leaves and fruit.

(no info on types - book from '83)
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24th May 2009 3:23pm
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amanda says...
I just re-read this - it's not much help is it? Apart from the names, u could could drive a truck thru' those measurements!

Our (WA) agricultural dept is great and the Qld one is pretty awesome - try them:

www.dpi.qld.gov.au

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25th May 2009 1:03am
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Steve says...
Guilly, I'm assuming you smuggled the seeds in the country.
Returning from Peru with seeds poses a threat to Australian agriculture & is the reason why our Quarantine Laws are in place.
I would love to grow a Lucuma but not at the risk of introducing pests or diseases into our country & the many millions of people who would be subsequently effected & have to pay & be unnecessarily burdened in attempting to control or eradiate these problems.
No matter the desire to have a rare plant excuses the possible consequences of bringing illegal seeds or plant material into Australia.
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Coffs Harbour
8th June 2009 9:59am
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Jantina says...
Hi Steve, quarantine allows clean lucumo seed into Oz, I have checked this with them.
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Mt. Gambier S.A.
8th June 2009 2:38pm
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Steve says...
Hey Guilly - did you declare the seeds when passing through Aussie customs?
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Coffs Harbour
8th June 2009 6:48pm
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John I. says...
Hi Jantina, is this a general rule with seeds or are quarantine rules highly restrictive?
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9th June 2009 9:37am
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Jantina says...
Hi John l. definitely not a general rule, always check with quarantine before organizing seed import or you may be very disappointed because they do not hesitate to destroy.Even if it is allowed seed , do not bring it back to Oz in your personal luggage unless you have organized it with quarantine beforehand because customs will just take it off you. In my ignorance I once brought seed back with me (it was dahlia seed, quite allowable) and declared it at customs but they said unless I had precleared it with customs in the bin it went regardless of what it was. AQIS has a website that apparently tells you what is an allowable import and what is not but being a computer dud I can never find the info I need and always end up ringing them directly to get an answer. You need to know the proper botanical name for what you want to import and any seed you get sent to you needs to be clearly labelled with the correct botanical name, these guys are not flexible.However if you play by their rules it is easy to import allowable seed.
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9th June 2009 10:44am
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Guilly says...
Hi Jantina, yes all seeds go on quarentine and properly identified, as far as I go everything goes on quarentine. I also brought a woden handycraft and processed food that were observed but everything was clear and later returned to me.
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15th June 2009 6:32am
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Guilly says...
I saw the other day on TV a report to a tropcial fruit place in Darwin, I didn't get the name of the place, I swear I saw Lucuma on display.
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Jantina says...
Hi Guilly, yes there are a few places that have lucumo growing, they are just very hard to track down! Limberlost nursery up near Cairns will grow them for you on request, they have 3 in the works for me. A bit of a wait (1 year)but I,m very keen to grow a few. I have also brought wooden articles and processed food back with me from Japan and Holland, declared it and been allowed to keep it.May your lucumos grow well and bear you much delicious fruit.
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Mt. Gambier S.A.
15th June 2009 8:04pm
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amanda says...
Jantina - i wouldn't even attempt to grow that plant here in my climate (warmer than yours) - let us know how u go please?!

I am about to try a Kwai Muk (sp?) (Artocarpus) but I don't hold out much hope for it - or the Rollinia - but am keen to try!

We got wooden stuff confiscated by quarantine - only cos' they were "forbidden weapons".. (poison dart thing) .... far out..!? Like kids 2day don't know how 2 make a ging???

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geraldton.WA
17th June 2009 1:27am
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Jantina says...
Hi Amanda, I would think lucumo would do very well for you. There is a very interesting book called Lost Crops of the Incas (your library may have it) which goes into detail about lucumo and it certainly sounds like I could grow it here and if you go back to the beginning of this thread you will see where Fruitist also thinks it would grow here. Microlimates are wonderful things.I have a seed swap organised and depending on how many seeds I get I would be happy to send you a couple to try if you are interested (only because I'm sure it would do well).
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Mt. Gambier S.A.
17th June 2009 11:51am
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Jantina says...
P.S. I have a rollinia in a pot doing very well here. Daleys grow and fruit them in a grow bag so I don't see why mine won't. It's in a north facing solarium that gets up to 30c on a winters day with a bit of sun (after that I open the doors)it hasn't stopped growing since I got it, probably not as fast as up north but I'm not complaining.
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Mt. Gambier S.A.
17th June 2009 11:57am
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amanda says...
Thanks Jantina - that's a kind offer and I am really pleased to hear about your rollinia!! You must have a very well organised/thought out garden?

I think I may have to stop planting things for a bit - I have 83 fruit trees now and can see I am not going to get a holiday for a long time if I don't curb my enthusiasm! :)))
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geraldton.WA
18th June 2009 9:45am
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Carmen says...
I have been to Peru and brought with me two seeds of Lucuma, I would like to know how do you start them, on the grown or in a pot? Thanks for all your advised, very usefull.
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United Kingdom
28th July 2009 8:09am
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Dekka says...
That's interesting, Carmen. What legal processes did you have to go through to bring them into Australia? I thought it would be difficult ...quarantine and all.
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28th July 2009 9:06am
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Dekka says...
Oops! I just noticed you're in the U.K.
Please disregard previous post.
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Newcastle
28th July 2009 9:08am
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Jantina says...
Hi Dekka, I have spoken to Oz quarantine and there are no problems with bringing in lucumo seed (should you be lucky enough to lay your hands on some) providing it is free of all flesh and labelled with it's correct botanical name. I am expecting some later in the year.
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Ellen says...
Hi Jantina

Can you please give me a contact number of Oz quarantine too please ? Thank You
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Smithfield
2nd August 2009 4:27am
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Jantina says...
Hi Ellen, I'm in Holland at the moment and it's been a long day so I'll take the lazy way out of this. Type in Aqis in your search engine and you should find a contact no. or ring telecom and ask for the Aqis no. for your state. Good luck.
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2nd August 2009 9:18am
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
To Ellen, Jantina and everyone who is interested in the seeds of this fruit.

No need to import seeds of this fruit. we have them in QLD.

I had some fruits in Cairns last December from Rusty market, very sweet (green skin and yellow flesh and small seeds) not like the cousin variety where the seeds are big and yellow skin.If I buy them a again this December I will save the seeds, you can have the seeds for free,email me jujubeforsale@yahoo.com.au
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Melbourne
2nd August 2009 10:28am
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Ellen says...
Thanks for the future lucuma seeds Jujube for Sale in Melbourne .


by the way, the jujube you've sent me, I've potted it. How soon will the leaves start to bud through, do you know?

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2nd August 2009 10:49am
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

I think around mid september roughly you could see green buds appear. Please just either water or give it some diluted seaweed solution (seasol) that is all you need. I was told the chance to get fruit this year is high because all jujube trees are 4 year old, originally 1 meter tall but were prunned back for easily packaging.

BTW, I found a picture of your Chico variety.

http://encantofarms.com/gpix/GP922-19.jpg

I will contact you regarding to the lucuma seeds after I got back from holiday.

Take care.
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unicorn7 says...
Great site. we have developed a product that includes lucuma powder. i am really keen to photograph a lucuma fruit for a brochure we are preparing. Any idea how I can get my hands on a specimen?

I have noticed that there are several varieties but i am not sure which one specifically is used in the powder we get from living earth.
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Tropicdude says...
All these Pouteria "lucumas" varieties are a bit confusing. I was first introduced to a fruit called a "Lucuma" I tried it a couple days after it was given to me, the fruit I was given is small compared to pictures of Lucumas I have seen on the net. the ones I tried were only about 5cm. they had very little pulp. but they tasted just like what others have described, seems Pouteria obvata/lucuma vary greatly from place to place, there is a "Lucuma de Monte" or mountain Lucuma ( wild Lucuma) that looks just like what I have seen in some Peruvian videos. as for taste, I have tried a few more of the local "small" lucumas, and the trick is getting the perfect ripeness, if you pick them "yellow" they still arent ripe yet, give them a few days, but if you wait too long they ferment. I plan on ordering seeds for this Pouteria Sp. pictured. By the way, the seeds from the fruit I planted sprouted in about 20 days, almost 100% of the seeds sprouted.


Ill translate some stuff from this video.
Pepino = Melumber, Kaki = Persimmon, Pacay = Ice Cream Bean ( Inga edulis ),

notice in this video that they show two types of "Lucuma" a pointy type and a roundish variety.
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16th October 2009 4:05pm
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Thanks for the video Tropicdude, very interesting. I find the whole lucuma identifying thing very confusing. I bought what I thought was the round lucuma but it arrived labelled Pouteria Nitida and on inquiry was told it was the same taste as the round one but an elongated shape (about 8 inches long)and can find no reference to it anywhere. I am also trying some Pouteria Obovata seed Denise kindly sent me. Elsewhere I have read that Pouteria obovata is not the lucuma that is popular in Peru.I'd like to hear from people who have actually eaten a lucuma , preferably while they were in Peru!
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Tropicdude says...
Jantina, I really believe that Pouteria obovata is the "real" Lucuma, as the obvata is synonymous with Pouteria lucuma. seems to me that the Pouteria could be divided into two groups, one group has the consistency of hard boild egg yolks, with that maple flavor ( Lucuma and all its sisters, the Ross, and the Canistel ( Pouteria campechiana ) then you have the Abiu (Pouteria caimito ) which I didnt care too much for, they are a bit bland and have a Jelly consistency. Pouteria caimito not to be confused with the Star Apple which is Chrysophyllum cainito which is also called Caimito in some places. anyway, tell me how it goes with the Obvata seeds, as I have some Pouteria Sp. on their way. I could learn from someone else s experience :) I have no idea what type Pouteria that I have now, as I have not seen them pictured anywhere.
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Hi Tropicdude, some of my seed had started to germinate before it arrived so I anticipate that all will germinate well, nothing is up yet but my research said 35/40 days which is getting on for 7 weeks,I will post results as they happen.
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unicorn7 says...
Hi Tropicdude

thanks so much for putting up this video. I ended up finding a shot of a round lucuma fruit on fotolio, however i will eventually need to get my hands on one for a studio photograph. So if you have any success in growing these in the future or know anyone that is about to harvest the fruit then feel free to let me know.

cheers
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Hiyas unicorn, If I come across some of these "Obvata" type here in the Dominican Republic, I'll be sure to take some pictures of them and post them here, there is one place that I havent visited yet that might have them. Endo-Caribe has an experimental farm, and they have listed Lucuma "Pouteria Obvata" on their website. who knows maybe I can get a seedling too. they also have Cupuaçu which I am after also ( Theobroma grandiflora ).
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Robert Snyder says...
I have 3 lucmas growing in pots here in Toronto. My in-laws brought seeds 3 years ago. Well, one got exposed to -3 degrees Celsius. That may be 28 F.
All its leaves lost the shine, then drooping more and more. Is there a way to save that one? Thanks. How long / how big before they fruit?
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Toronto
8th January 2010 5:09am
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Hi Robert, the leaves will probably drop off but that does not necessarily mean it will die. Do you have Seasol (a seaweed solution) over there or something similar. It,s very good for shocked plants and also gives a bit more cold resistance. Tropicdude, I have seven seedlings up and going well. The leaves look rounder than my Pouteria Nitida but hard to tell since they are still juvenile.
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Sakana says...
Hi to everybody I am from Peru, I have never seen any other type of Lucuma in Peru but the round bronze-green colour ones. I know down in Chile there are other kind of different Lucuma and some in Ecuador as well. None of these are consumed in Peruvian Cuisine, when I was little I used to go to the markets to buy Lucuma (my favourite fruit) and the only one was the round one, with a quite dry pulp a bit orange.

Recently my parents sent me some dried lucuma powder, which is 100% dried lucuma from Peru.

If any is interested in trying it I could send you some! I dont have many but I'm very glad that you are so interested in a Peruvian fruit, specially my favourite one!
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Jantina 1 says...
Hi Sakana, at last someone who has experience with the real thing! I would love to try a bit of the lucuma powder. Can you carefully describe the leaf shape for me? Thanks.
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HappyEarth says...
Hey Sakana, I would love to try some lucumo powder also. I have a number of seeds in a pot that im trying to germinate at the moment - never tasted the fruit though. Do you have an email address so i can send you through my address details?

cheers Rich

www.happyearth.com.au
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12th January 2010 5:18pm
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Hi Happy Earth,if you don't mind telling me, where did you get your seeds ? did you see the parent plant and if so what shape were the leaves and were they labelled obovata. Thanks.
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HappyEarth says...
Hey Jantina ... never seen the tree. The seeds were kindly sent to me from 'Jujube for sale in Melbourne'
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14th January 2010 3:24pm
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Jantina,

I sent the seeds to you too about the same time as HappyEarth. Did you receive them?
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
BTW, these were the fruits where I removed the seeds and sent to every one in December 2009. The biggest fruit were the size of a peach and from the picture you could see one of them ripen (on the tree).
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Jantina says...
Hi JUJUBE FOR SALE, for some reason my emails don't seem to get through to you sometimes. Yes they did arrive THANKYOU very much, it was very kind of you to send them and I planted them straightaway. Your seeds were a different shape to the ones Denise sent me, can you decribe the colour and shape of the fruit? I don't suppose you saw any foliage? By the way I planted two of those pineapple tops( the supersweet with the tops cut off but these had more top left on than usual)they haven't grown any new leaves yet but they are still green. If they grow you can have one.Thanks again.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Jantina,

I bought from the guy who had the farm and he said he picked from his 5 year old tree that morning. He said this variety has smaller leaves compare to the bigger fruit variety.

I went back to the apartment and took the picture straight away.

As you can see from the picture the fruit is small, sort of rounded with just a bit pointy at the bottom end. Most varieties that I have tasted would turn bright yellow when ripe but not this one (still greeny when ripes)

Happy growing.
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Violet_Cactus says...
Jantina, that book you mentioned, LOST CROPS OF THE INCAS, can be read in its entirety online here.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=030904264X
Whoops, I just tried to read another page and it asked me to pay.
Sorry, I'd thought it was one of those free online books. :( Still, it does show some interesting lists of plants.
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Melbourne
22nd January 2010 7:55pm
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Jantina says...
Hi Violet Cactus, fascinating reading isn't it? I have managed to acquire quite a few of the plants they talk about. One day I will go to Peru and see things for myself.
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Violet_Cactus says...
Hi Jantina,
Yes, it's interesting that we can now buy, here in Australia, many of the previously 'unknown' plants mentioned in the book. At a guess I'd say that the book may have had a big impact on Australian gardeners and horticulturalists, motivating people to try and obtain these new edibles.

It would be brilliant to visit South America and check out the incredible range of crops, not only in Peru but in places like Ecuador and Bolivia. I read on this Forum that you do quite a bit of travelling in search of unusual food plants. That must be very exciting!
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Melbourne
24th January 2010 10:56am
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Jantina says...
Hi Violet Cactus, I don't actually go travelling in search of unusual food plants (although I'd like to)my circumstances at the moment mean that I go to Japan with my husband (who has a Karate school) and go to Holland because I have elderly parents there and visit my sister in England on the way and am always on the lookout for unusual plants particularly food plants. It's also fascinating going on the trains and seeing all the vegetable allotments. It doesn't take much to amuse me does it?
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24th January 2010 10:22pm
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Violet_Cactus says...
Ogling vegetable allotments actually sounds like my idea of a good time!

Some of those Japanese food plants enthrall me. I am currently making a collection of all the unusual ones I can find here in Australia, such as Gobo (Burdock ‘Takinogawa Long’), Citrus Yuzu, Yomogi (Artemisia princeps), Cogon Grass, Edible Chrysanthemum, Yamamomo etc.

PS my grandfather was born in Friesland, though I've never been to that part of the world.
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Melbourne
26th January 2010 12:53am
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Mick says...
Bought poutreia obovata in from Chile 20 years ago and then some more 10 years ago .
I have had 3 fruits so far.
Probably because I haven't watered at flowering time.There is or was one at Merbien Hort station which had fruit so cross pollination is not necesary.
quarentine was no problem bringing them in.I also got a few seed fron Fruit Spirit but Paul is no longer selling seed,tho'you can book a tour of his property.
If you look in the 'Lost Crops of the Incas'book there is a good chapter on the Lucuma.
I have been told that there are two 'races'of lucuma.One eaten out of hand or atleast better to eat fresh and the other more for processing.
I have tried mine fresh but prefer in a thick shake.
A small round fruit like the one at Merbein.
This is the fist time I have come across this forum,will try to keep up
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Violet_Cactus says...
Welcome to the Daleys Fruit Forum, Mick.
If you like 'Lost Crops of the Incas' you're in the right place.

Any chance you want to swap a few Pouteria obovata seeds?

I wish Paul Recher was still selling seeds and plants online...


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Melbourne
14th February 2010 4:30pm
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speedy says...
Mick how long ago did you see the tree (Lucuma) at Merbein?
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Nth Vic
15th February 2010 4:12pm
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Jantina says...
Hi Mick, very interested to hear you have a lucuma growing in the Adelaide hills, is there any chance you would be generous enough to let me come and look at your trees one day? Maybe I could bring you something from my garden as a bribe? Violet Cactus, since you seem to be a genuine fruit nut, would you like one of my lucuma seedlings?
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Violet_Cactus says...
(Violet Cactus falls off her chair...)

*Would I?*

YES PLEASE!

Thanks Jantina, that would be fantastic. I have heaps of things to swap, so email me and we'll work something out!
angavar (at) yahoo.com
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Melbourne
17th February 2010 12:48am
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Jantina says...
Hi Violet Cactus, sent you an email last night, did you get it?
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Violet_Cactus says...
Hi Jantina,
Yes thank you, I got it - been out all day at Kuranga Native Nursery then out half the night - just about to answer your email now!
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recher says...
then you do not have a lucmo which tastes totally different and flesh is 'denser' and too mealy to eat out of hand unlike canistel

flavour is of burnt rum and raisin
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recher says...
u say Wongai Plum is growing wild in Cape York and Torres Strait Islands. A delicacy there.

I say a delicacy only becuasse
Ozzie bush fruits suck bad. wongai plum is middle range second class

the reason ozzie native fruits are patrhetic quality is until humans no primates here hence no co-evolution to develop fruits for primates. same with PNG. to mind their best fruit and it is a good one is Pometia but after that diddly-squat = no primates
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recher says...
being indolent and making enough money from tours combined with a disorganization disability i have pretty much hung the seed business out to dry

tours are $20 flag fall plus 10 per adult

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recher says...
light crop now
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recher says...
they are synonyms
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Sean says...
Hi Jantina
Here is a picture of my Lucuma growing in souther Victoria. Its fairly slow growing but it is doing fine. Not a great photo(Comfrey in the background) but you get the idea.
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Jantina says...
Thanks a heap for that Sean, I'm in Holland at the moment for a funeral so didn't see your post until now. Your little tree looks healthy. Do you get any frosts? We get some frosts most years but all my citrus thrives here unprotected.
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Sean says...
I get lots of frosts and usually a bit of snow but my Citrus, Avocado's, White Sapote's etc are all thriving. I have come to the conclusion that cold extremes are not as much of a problem as root rot in winter.
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Thanks Sean, the drainage at home is excellent, I'll plant a few out when I get back.
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Sean says...
I would like to ask Sean how did he started to grow Lucuma from the seed, directly in the grown or in a pot.

Carmen

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Jantina says...
Hi Sean United K., don't know about Sean but I grew mine in pots in a well drained potting mix. Some came up in about 4 weeks and some took about 3 months and some haven't shot yet but the seed is still healthy looking.
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Sean says...
Yes mine were started in pots as well, the seeds were partially germinated in the fruit so they grew fairly quickly.
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John says...
I am after seed for the Lucuma. Can anyone sell me some. I live in WA.
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4th May 2010 11:29pm
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Rev says...
im keen for Lucuma seed too

from within Australia
or outside

anyone out there in Chile?
Peru? Ecuador?

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north qld
21st June 2010 9:42pm
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J says...
So this tree can be successfully grown to fruit in Melbourne, Victoria?

Where can I order a tree in australia?
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22nd June 2010 10:48pm
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Violet Cactus says...
My Pouteria tree is small but healthy. As soon as I get seeds I will distribute them around, but it might be a couple of years yet!
Jantina is THE BEST seed germinator.
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Anestor says...
Hello, Fruitlist:
I am Brazilian and I live in southern Brazil. I am passionate about fruit and would like to receive the seeds of this Pouteria. If you are interested in exchanging of seeds, you can see my albums of fruit in www.picasaweb.google.com.br/amezzomo2002

anestor.mezzomo@gamil.com

Olá, Fruitlist:
Eu sou brasileiro e moro no sul do Brasil. Sou apaixonado por frutas e gostaria de receber sementes dessa Pouteria. Se você tiver interesse no intercâmbio de sementes, podes ver os meus álbuns de frutas em www.picasaweb.google.com.br/amezzomo2002
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Rev says...
seeing as you are in South America
try this place in Ecuador

i havent tried it but friends of mine have. They are legitimate, but with postage australia is a long way away.
I will try for special things like Cupuacu later.
maybe for you it will be much easier

http://www.ecuadorexplorer.com/guaycuyacu/fruits_1.html

Im always interested in south american trades myself so contact me if you like and we could swap Aussie and asian seeds for South americans!
reville1@gmail.com
thankyou
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8th July 2010 11:03pm
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jenny says...
Hi: I'm from Peru I feel so happy to see people that takes so much interest in one of our very own fruit: THE LUCUMA. I have not taste Lucuma for almost 23 years, but I went to Sidney 4 years ago and did buy the Lucuma Powder in a South America Shop , in Fairfield.
Not as good as the fresh fruit but better than nothing. Back in Peru we used to eat the round one that's the edible and popular one, which is also shown in the video. Sean's picturre seems to be that of the round lucuma.
Thanks.
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ces says...
Since you have been talking about getting seeds from south america, I have been trying to find ullucus tuberosus in Australia. I found out that they were available in Colac, Vic a few years ago but they do not have it anymore. Do you have any suggestions where I can get seeds from? I've heard that it was being tested in NZ.
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Jason says...
I had ulluco from near Colac, I bought several varieties and had them all growing well but lost the battle against the slugs in the end and lost them all. I searched for years to get them in the first place and I think if they no longer have them, then finding them inside Australia maybe no longer possible. That's a pity because they had all sorts of crazy colours and varieties of them
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23rd September 2010 12:18am
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ces says...
So where did the guys from colac obtain the ullucos from? I might have to try that...
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Jason says...
You could ask them but I think maybe you don't want to know, or they don't want to tell you :). I'm sure a goverment research station somewhere would have some in any case since it's such a good potential crop (but maybe there would be resistance from the Potato growers). My Peruvian friend told me that in Peru Ulluco is where it's at and Potatos are second rate food for when you don't have Ulluco :)
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Jantina says...
Do they grow from seed Jason ?
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Jason says...
You can but I bet it's not easy, I got tubers at an extortionate price but since they are so rare I was happy to pay for them. I always planed to get more one time when I wasn't living in a slug infested backyard but seems like I left it a bit too late, they grew easy and well apart from getting eaten! :).

I planted the Lucumo by the way :), it had started to grow again in the plastic house but since the scale were persisting I planted it. It's fixed now but I don't think it'll continue growing much until it warms up in late October.

I've been digging weeds from around my trees so they aren't so messy for when you come over and I hit my Macadamias with some fertilzer, I read some stuff about phosphorus versus iron heavy soil and decided it was safe enough. I also bought a stretcher bed from aldi so I can sleep under the trees in between digging :0 instead of on the grass like I normally do, best thing I've bought in a while and will save on waking up cooked with lots of insect bites :)
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Jantina says...
Hmmm, maybe we can make getting some Ulluco tubers/seeds our next project. By the way I've spoken to the guy and deferred getting the Rainbow cuttings until Nov. when you normally graft them down here.
No the lucumo are just sort of sitting there at the moment, waiting to burst into growth (I hope).
Don't worry too much about the place looking neat, I'll only see the trees, the stretcher sounds a good idea.
Tell Annie hello and that Bulldozer is powering on , scoffing a whole bottle at one sitting now and up every night while we sleep playing havoc with his basket and blankets and looking cuter all the time.
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Jason says...
I told Annie he's doing well she's happy about that :), she might be getting her cardboard box ready to kidnap him right now :p.

I found 3 peach/nectarine seedlings 1 apricot and 2 apples this morning while carefully transplanting a 10 foot cherry plum (with a chain and the tractor) and lots of grafting tape to put the bark back together afterwards :). All those were together in my seed germinating patch (that's also mums Camellia garden :p) but it works so well under them for growing stone fruit seeds I can't resist throwing them all there. It's not cold enough there to germinate a real cherry but everything else goes pretty good.

I ran out of time digging the hole for the cherry plum before I had to go and get Annie for her break so I threw it in the kangaroos drinking pond for the moment. I'll plant it later when I take her back. I already found 8 or so pleach (red peach) seedlings and moved them the other day well I think one may have been a real peach or a nectarine and got mixed up so that will be an exciting suprise. I have more pleaches still to move too, they germinate under the tree all the time and I'm up to the 3rd generation now, they always grow pretty true to form too so they are good seedlings to re plant.

So it's crazy times at the moment but I've got excited about growing seedlings now that a lot of my older ones are starting to flower so I figured I'd move all these before the mover or animals found them.

Years ago I had lots more subtropical trees that slowly died out because there was no protection there, just a paddock so I've almost replanted all those spots with temperate fruit but I'm very close to being out of space for full sized trees now. That means next year all the seedlings that come up will have to go to visit you or some other people around here. I've been grafting seedling Avocados under my Hass tree into the main tree (some crazed multi tap root experiment of mine) and going to graft one good seedling Avocado I have over to Reed at the end of October so I should be all practiced up ready for the Rainbow sapote. I'm going on a secret air layering mission soon too (see picture). I have nooo clue where I can find room to plant one but I need the tree anyway.

Ulluco might be almost an impossible mission now unless someone like Paul has it or some Peruvians living somewhere in Australia bought some from Colac and have kept it alive but we can only try

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Where on earth did you take that picture Jason? What sort of tree is it? Sensational looking tree.
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haha, it's right near your house!:) that's underneath one of the world famous to ficus experts but totally unknown where it actually is drik drik Lord Howe Island figs. You would never figure that's growing on the side of a road 40 degrees south latitude beside a dusty paddock, amazing line of trees and more impressive than most of the ficus in the Sydney botanic gardens.

I could tell you a story about how to grow a house from one of those trees that I read in the depths of the internet about 15 years ago from some crazy scientist. I wanted to do it one day but I don't think I'd be able to complete it now, you would need quite a few decades.

The idea was to take 100's, 1000s? of LHI fig cuttings and plant them around the outisde of the "room" then as they grow interweave them in a cross cross pattern until you have a dome shape. As they grow Ficus will self graft into each other and you keep removing anything growing inside the room. Once its grown enough to be solid you sand away the inner bark leaving only wood and then polish it so you have the criss cross patterned polished wood on the inside and a massive ficus tree on the outside (you also cut away the windows early on). Once you had a few feet thick of tree it would be a pretty strong house :).

I guess you will be in the car first thing tomorrow morning to go and see that tree now :p
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Jantina says...
That's right I remember you telling us about it. Personally I need at least 10 lifetimes to plant and do and experiment with everything that interests me and las I only have about 1/3 of one left!
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27th September 2010 12:23am
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ces says...
And who is Paul? can he have some ulluco tubers? I remember a online place in the uk where they had some tubers but it seems they all failed and they've got nothing left.
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Paul is Paul Recher, he posts on here once in a while. He has a masssssive collection of pretty much everything edible, got to be easily the largest collection in the country unless I'm really mistaken and someone secretly has 3000 species of stuff hidden somewhere
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ces says...
So how can we contact him?
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You need to go and see him pretty much
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ces says...
see him where?
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Jason says...
In his garden, it's in the bush in Northern NSW. Search up Fruit Spirit Gardens. But better first find out if he even has Ulluco and if he want's to A. find it and B. sell some :) the chances of all 3 happening together are not that good
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Jantina says...
Hey fruitist, I can't find the thread where you asked me about Denise and the lucumo. At the moment I have 2 varieties growing, Pouteria Nitida which I got from Limberlost just before they stopped grafting. I got 3 but my dear husband thought he would do me a favour and repotted one into a very rich potting mix without my knowledge and killed it(along with a few other plants he repotted). So now I have one growing in the ground and one in a pot. It's been hard to find any info on Pouteria Nitida (or Giant lucuma)Neal from Limberlost tells me that it is very similar to Obovata but the fruit is about 8 inches long instead of round. My Lucuma Obovatas came as seed from Denise, a very generous lady from NZ. I will email her to see if it is OK to give you her email address and I'm sure you will be able to swap something for some seeds. There was no trouble getting them through quarantine.Nine of my seeds germinated and I've given 4 away to other keen rare fruit growers in the hope of getting it more established in this country.There is still one left in a pot, so if you don't have any luck with getting seed maybe I could send it up to you.
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fruitist says...
Hi Janita, can u take a photo of the leaves of your P. nitida which you bought from Limberlost. I got mine from Limberlost too but not directly. I have a feeling that it is not P. Obovata. As for asking seeds from Denise, I will check if I can get them here in Australia first. This year my tree has 5 fruits. 3 are yellow 0.5 inch wide and 2.5 inch long; 2 are green 1 inch wide and 2.5 inch long.
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recher says...
IF we are talking the same thing my ulloco died out years ago...i suspect devoured by rodents...same problem with day lilies, dahlia, etc

As for obovata I hve several trees.
I imported a yummy large fruited selection from Hawaii. Fruit is up to 10 cm a-x. Still my favourite milkshake

wish I'd known about P. nitida at Limberlost. I have grafted Ross Sapote (Pouteria sp.) from them.
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Hi recher, do you know much about P. Nitida, I can,t find any real info on it. The one I have planted out is doing well and the other one is doing well in a pot.When they get a bit bigger I,m happy to supply grafting material (maybe do an exchange for a piece of you Hawaiian one).
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fruitist says...
Hi Jantina, can u pls take a photo of your P. nitida leaves.
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Hi fruitist, sadly I am a dud with most things technical but will ask hubby if he will post some pictures for me. The P. nitida has longer pointier leaves than P. obovata. About the same shape as mango leaves, same veining arrangement but with bigger gaps between the veins, softer leaf than mango and lighter green and up to about 30 cm long. These are juvenile plants so the mature foliage might be a little different. You are also welcome to some cuttings when they get big enough.
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fruitist says...
Jantina, Are your leaves same as mine? Scoll up to my post with the 2 pictures. The leaves and venation are clearly seen in the photos.

Denise, I really like to get some Lucuma seeds from you. If you are reading this, please get in touch with me at

iamfruitist at gmail dot com
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Jantina says...
They certainly look very similar, now I,m more confused than ever about just which one is P.obovata. Never mind I have two sorts growing happily so that has to be pretty lucky!
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fruitist says...
The one we have from Limberlost is called P. nitida. I am, glad it is finally positively IDed.
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José says...
Hi, about the lucuma, this site contains interesting information http://blog.standperu.com/?p=225
Lucuma is really a nice fruit.
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J says...
It's known as "the butterscoth tree" in NZ. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Outdoor-garden-conservatory/Plants-pots/Other/auction-343561701.htm
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Did you check the other things this seller has available J?. Very interesting and sadly very unavailable.
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J says...
Just checked out her items. Interesting how many different varieties of avocado's they have over there. I'm searching for seeds online as I would like to have a few more lucumo trees. Your seedling is growing well Jantina, it's sprouting a set of leaves. I'm justing wondering if having a few more tree's might aid in cross pollination and greater fruit set.
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29th December 2010 11:34am
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Violet_Cactus says...
J and Jantina, do you know which variety of Lucuma is the 'Butterscotch Tree"?
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Melbourne
29th December 2010 12:42pm
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J says...
No Violet, the advertiser doesn't have it listed, but Butterscotch tree definately has a better ring to it than lucuma. Those new zealanders know how to rename their fruit!
Incidently that tradme website is where I got the ruby red pepino seeds from. Hope the seedling I gave you is doing well. The vietnamese corriander you gave me has gone crazy and all the cuttings I've put into the ground have taken up like mad as well. The pineapple sage is doing well too. Thanks for those!
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Excellent news, J! I was wondering how those plants I gave you were going. I think of you every time I walk past my Pepino, which is doing very well! It's still in its pot as there are so many snails around after this lovely rain, I'm a bit hesitant to put it in the ground.
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Diana Q. says...
Hello!
I'm living in Portugal and I just came from my holidays in Chile some weeks ago.
When I went to Valparaíso I had the great experience of tasting a Lúcuma. Unfortunatly on that day I didn't kept the seed and some days after I was looking for it but always with no success. It seems that the period for Lúcumas was not that, so it was impossible to find another. Then I return to Portugal but always thinking about planting a Lúcuma tree. Finally a friend just came from Chile and brought it to me after a very hard search! So now I have 3 Lúcuma seeds, Wichita means 3 opportunities! ;-)
Does anyone of you guys can help me? I need to know when is the best time of the year for doing it. Is it during spring?..
Another question is about HOW exactly should I do it? I really need to do everything correct 'cause I don't want to waste my chances! ;-)

Thank you!!
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Hi Diana,my seeds were very fresh out of the fruit (some were sprouting already). I received them late spring/early summer and potted them straightaway in well draining potting mix and kept them damp. Most took about 6 weeks to pop up but one took a year and I still have some where the seed is still green (the brown coat has come off)and plump but not shot yet.
I'm sure that's not the only way to do it but that's what I did.
Lots of luck.
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denise says...
BUTTERSCOTCH TREE IS JUST A COMMON NAME FOR THE LUCUMA OBOVATA.
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recher says...
excellent name in deed!

definitely favourite milkshake
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plant immediately hump up, hilum down

or place seed in sealed bag with enough SLIGHTLY moist (wet material and get an adult male to squeeze as hard as he can to get rid of as much water as possible) coco-peat or peat moss....enough to hide the seeds....keep in dark..like desk drawer...check every 3-4 days...plant once root emerges or you see sheel cracking along hilum
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back in the 80's limberlost sold several Pouteria but never obovata...obovata does not perform in lowland tropics...they did sell the infamous ross sapote Pouteria sp.....I've thought this nitida is what they are calling Ross sap.....I HOPE I AM wrong as I'd really like a p. nitida to add to the Pouteria collection....googling says next to nothing about nitida...at most it is syn to obovata but there is no earthly reason why limberlost would label nitida and not oovata...i'm a bit lost my self
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Hey recher, my planted out Pouteria nitida is growing branches now (as opposed to the single trunk it started out with) so hopefully there will be grafting material available before I die of old age. When my nitidas arrived they were sublabelled with the common name of Giant Lucmo, nothing about Ross sapote.
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denise says...
I have a pouteria obovata that was imported by the NZ government that is more tropical in requirements than nearly all others of the species. The plant fruited in kaitaia (in the far north) and had very large fruit for the species.About 15cms accross. I have put it into a hothouse to try and get fruit. Normal varieties fruit well outside . Perhaps now I am the only one with this variety in NZ as the government destroyed all of thier plants.. We call superior lucuma fruit "elite" and the finest eating ones "silky". The scientists noted that most of the elite fruiting plants had multiple stems, making it easier to locate good trees in the seedling orchards in Peru.Much of thier orchards have mangos as well and also some lychees.
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Mines been outside for a few months in the ground, verrry slow growing so far. The one I had 10 years ago (but lost from wet/cold/heat one after the other) was pretty fast growing but did take a while to get going so maybe this one will speed up at some stage
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I bought a Ross sapote on eBay about six months ago. Judging by the seller she had more plants for sale. I think from memory I searched under "rare plants" when I noticed it.
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The seller I bought the seedling from is
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Why would the government destroy their plants Denise? I've heard of the CSIRO here doing the same thing with plants after trials.
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micarle says...
I planted a ross sapote about 3 months ago, no signs of moving yet, it was from Limberlost! Phil i have seen the ross sapote on ebay aswell...
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jennyDa says...
hi: where can I get a lucuma tree? I live i W.A.
Thank you.
la_coronelasa@hotmail.com
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jennyDa says...
hola Jose, de donde eres? Como le hago para que mi arbol de lucuma de frutos tiene 4.5 anos y nada que ver crecio de pepa.
Gracias
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recher says...
idiots.. just like here they destroyed all that valuable germplasm.. i remember when nz imported those lucmo cvs ..

guessing circa 1988
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denise says...
I have part of the scientists report of thier trip to Peru for collection of germplasm--all that relates to finding pouteria orchards.. It was for nearly 3 months in 1980. There was also a large worldwide collection I remember seeing, including so called hardy mangos from islands offshore from NW Africa. I was slipped cuttings of some things but not anything much valuable.The large fruited Pouteria obovata was probably the best, but more suitable for warmer climate.Some government staff hid away some plants when the cullers came to destroy the stock,though little remains.
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Denise is the report available online at all?
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CSIRO told me that a lot of their research is paid for by particular people (or companies) wanting research done for them. The last thing they are interested in is making sure valuable (to us fruit nuts) germplasm is available to the public, so if the research doesn't give them what THEY want, it's "off with their heads" and to hell with biodiversity. This happens in America too.
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denise says...
Hi Phil, The Report on a Visit to South America is probably only in the ESR library.(restricted entry) I have all that relates to the Lucuma orchards, about 5 pages.Probably no one else has it. I can send a copy to anyone interested in visiting Peru, as it is mainly about the whereabouts of the best orchards. It does not include actual postal addresses. The NZ govt had a special Biodiversity project some few years ago to provide marginal new crop plants for R&R for no cost to approved Tree Crop Assn members.It was mainly with obscure semi-useless chilean plants, few or none of the fancy kind of plants that we see as useful.
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Thanks Denise, btw I have a few seedlings of your lucuma tree kindly given to me by a fellow site user growing well and strongly.
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denise says...
The seedlings you have are from cultivar MONTALBAHN from peru.They can produce a large crop which most years are of very good quality and suit the Auckland climate very well next to other ones not so good.
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Hi Denise, I would love to have that report if you would be so kind as to email it to me. If you don't have my email address anymore it's
jantinarohde at activ8 dot net dot au
thank you very much.
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Roberto Peru says...
My name is Roberto i,m from Peru living in central florida, is hot and rainny all summer, a month ago my mother bring me some seeds of lucuma and one of the m is groing about 10 cm. The litle pot is located in a sunny window and is groing well so far... how long it will take for this fruit tree to give fruit?... is the weather in central florida good for lucuma?... how cold it can handle in winter this fruit?..i
love lucuma fruit and i cant wait to have some fruit to make lucuma ice cream...is delicioso! Thanx
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Victor says...
I LOVE LUCUMA ICE CREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry... it came from the bottom of my heart T_T...

Peru.
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denise says...
In Florida it could start fruiting from 4 years old. There is no guarantee that the seedling fruit will be good size, flavor and volume of crop. It is good to plant a few from different sources to even the odds. If possible make sure you get seeds from a good quality tree. In Peru many orchards are mostly seedlings from a good tree and the results are usually acceptable
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In Florida it could start fruiting from 4 years old. There is no guarantee that the seedling fruit will be good size, flavor and volume of crop. It is good to plant a few from different sources to even the odds. If possible make sure you get seeds from a good quality tree. In Peru many orchards are mostly seedlings from a good tree and the results are usually acceptable
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Recher says...
I imported from Bill Whitman a selection of lucuma mid 1980's called Kona. LArge 9-10cm dia, delicious shakes, dry mealy texture, productive,

I'm selling scions at $15 / 30 cm plus gst and post
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ooops contactable at precher@bigpond.net.au
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Violet_Cactus says...
Hi Paul, it's always good to see you here on the Forum.
Is this a Lucuma you have for sale a variety that would be okay in Melbourne's climate?

Cheers
Violet
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sony says...
Hi Paul,
I'm interested in your lucuma plant...I had one growing from seed and started flowering last spring. Unfortunately I went overseas and it was neglected..I don't think it will survive..I'm hoping you can help me.
Thanks,
Sonia
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Recher says...
ud assume so

all mine seedlings and grafted perform the same regrading winteritis.

No signs at all.

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sony says...
Thanks; that's reasuring..I had to cut a dead branch somehow insects ate the bark in my absence..the remaining ones are fine and look healthy. Do you have any for sale? my daughters fell in love with this fruit in our trip to Peru.
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9th September 2011 9:28am
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sony says...
Hi,
Please to any lucuma fan...I would like to grab a lucuma seed to grow in my new garden. It's not a big one, but growin a lucuma tree is one of my life-wishes.
Help me out if you can.
Thanks,
Sony
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Recher says...
confident it would perform in melb
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self pollinating
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Hi Sony, I have a few fruits on the way on my lucuma tree and have supplied seeds to a few forum readers. The tree has never shown signs of disease or dieback despite cool winters. About 170 fruit last year on one tree.Few this year. Not sure when next will ripen. Denise.
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sony says...
Thanks Denise,
Please let me know if you can spare a seed or two for me . My tree is looking so-so...I can see a few buds for the first time(maybe 15) on the remaining three brances..the other branches died because of the bark damage (it's like half a tree survived) I don't know if you get fruit on the first flowering.
I wanted to visit Paul Recher last week but I couldn't make it.
Thanks..

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10th October 2011 11:58am
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Tomas says...
Hello,

I have read this topic about Lucuma with great interest. After searching high and low for a source or Lucuma, I would just like to ask if anyone possible could spare a few Lucuma seeds?

Many thanks in advance,

Tomas
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12th November 2011 1:17pm
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loraine says...
Hi Denise,
I wonder if you kept the majority of the 170 fruit seeds? if so,could you spare to ell me a seed or two?
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13th December 2011 2:44pm
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loraine says...
Hi again,
For years I have been searching for a lucuma tree in Australia. I finally found one growing in a suburb of Sydney.. tree was looking ok, but it had not fruit for years. New owners of the house were not interested to keep the tree and after arduous work to organize manpower, we got the tree out of there and planted elsewhere in late July this year. So far still alive but if there is a sad loss, I would love to buy a couple of seeds if possible.
Regards, nickynackies@gmail.com
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sony says...
It will take another two years to flower
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