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lynne starts with ... Hi I'm wondering if anyone who has surplus rare fruit (anything that cannot easily be bought in the shops) would like to swap or sell their fruits? We currently have prickly pears and are happy to swap them for white sapotes, any type of guava, wampi etc. We're in Mt Waverley. If you have fruits you'd like to swap or sell or if you live on the other side of Melbourne, if you list the fruits, there may be other people who would be interested in them. Lynne
| About the Author lynne melb 12th April 2008 |
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| About the Author Julie VIC 13th April 2008 |
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Correy says... Lynee that is actually a brilliant idea. Maybe we could set up a web address attached to daleys dedicated to your idea. eg http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/swap/ You enter your exact address and what fruit you have and then other people enter their address and you could get email alerts when people have rare fruit they are willing to swap or sell in your local area. Then you can contact them and arrange a fruit swap. Great way to get people interested in growing their own specialised fruit and broadening our horizons. eg how often do you see guavas in a fruit shop or black sapotes. But plenty of adventurous Australians have them in their backyards. What do you think? | About the Author Correy Woolloongabba, QLD 13th April 2008 |
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| About the Author juanita melbourne 13th April 2008 |
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| About the Author Leona 13th April 2008 |
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lynne says... Correy Having a webpage of its own is a great idea and sms capabilities are even better. Some other advantages I can see with the trade/swap are: -it’s one sure way of answering the often asked question ‘will it grow and fruit here?’ -it offers one of the few opportunities to test the fruit first before spending years growing it Just a couple of suggestions though: -For security reasons, I’m not sure that everyone will be comfortable publishing their exact address – I suspect some people might be put off from participating if they have to state their address. I think a stating a suburb may give people a good indication and then it’s up to individuals to get in touch with one another via email or phone and give their address to people they feel comfortable with. -It’d be good if people can buy as well as swap. New growers may not have fruits to swap at this stage. Also due to different ripening times, it may not be possible to swap fruit for fruit at a certain point in time. (If they do it on a small scale, it would just be a hobby and even though people may be selling their fruits, there shouldn’t be any tax issues. Anyone in doubt can check with the tax office). These are just my suggestions. What do you and other interest people think? | About the Author lynne melb 13th April 2008 |
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Brendan says... Lynne, This is a great idea. I don't think that there is any need to make things too complex. As for giving out addresses, in the past I bred rare and valuable reptiles where this was a problem. I don't think anyone will steal any of my fruit trees :-) With regards to the time differences most fruit and vegetable hobbyists end up with a glut of produce that they are happy to give away with the possibility of the favour being returned. The biggest advantage of your idea is the possibility to taste fruits that cannot be purchased in shops encouraging people to purchase more fruit trees. Example I would grow babaco, black sapotes and chilean guavas if I knew I liked the taste. Well done. | About the Author Brendan Mordialloc 13th April 2008 |
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Correy says... Lynne, We could make it so when you enter your address you have to put in an exact address but that no one could see your exact address on the website if you so wished. I would need the exact address so that I can do the longitude latitude calculations so that I can notify people within a certain distance of you that you have some rare fruit ready using Google map tools. Leona, But you could swap with people in Perth and there seems to be a lot of you rare fruit growers over there. Brendan Exactly right. Even grafted fruit trees can take 3 years to produce. It is always good to taste what it is you are investing in first. P.S The Babaco doesn't taste anything like a paw paw. It is nick named champagne fruit because it is has that sour taste. When you eat the first one you will scrunch up your face but after that you realise far out that is actually very nice and you will be hooked. Black Sapote or chocolate pudding fruit is a cross between a persimmon and chocolate. If you have some luck with pollination you can make it so there are no seeds. The big ones are a meal in themselves and the taste is brilliant. There are some tricks to make them taste even more like chocolate by mixing coconut for example or eating them with ice cream for the milky flavour of chocolate. I haven't had a guava yet ): | About the Author Correy Woolloongabba, QLD 14th April 2008 |
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lynne says... Correy I was wondering how the sms would work (I thought maybe using postcodes but your method is more precise). As long as there is the option to not reveal the address publicly, I think people should be fine with that. The way I see it, in order for this swapping arrangement to be effective, you'd want as many people to sign up as possible. To do that, the risk would need to be as low as possible. I suspect if people perceive for there to be risks (whether it's real or not), you may not hear from them. Incidently, there was actually a gentleman at Louis'open garden who has (or had) some of the rare fruit trees asked about on this forum (on a very limited scale though - not a competitor to Daleys). I asked him if I could state his phone number on this forum so enquiries can be made with him direct but he declined. | About the Author lynne melb 14th April 2008 |
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Correy says... Yeah postcodes are not that good for calculating distance and I understand how people don't like giving info out over the net. Here is me thinking out aloud feel free to have a say on any point. First thing is that someone would need to set themselves up with an email alert. To make this as simple as possible I reckon you should just choose the distance you are willing to travel. So you would have to enter your info like this: My Address Keep Private Distance for Email Alert: 30km 100km ALL Now let's say you had set up your alert to be 30km and someone 15km away from you has a crop of Sharpblue Blueberries they are willing to swap you would get an email like this: === Dear Lynne, Fred Flinstone has 60kg of Sharpblue Blueberries asking $3 per kg or a suitable swap. He is 7.5km from your address. [Picture of ridiculously huge blueberry crop] Link to View More Details Online ==== I think it would be great if people could upload a picture of the fruit they had to swap but i know a lot of people will find this a bit of a hassle. Pictures really do speak when you are swapping fruit so perhaps we could work out a way to have default images. Here is an idea of what you would see on the Main Page: I was thinking half the page a google map and the other half a summary of the latest entries. As you navigate through the map you can click on a marker which pops up with details about the fruit they are willing to swap. You could then click it to see all the information they have entered and then you could ask and exchange comments. If you were willing to visit them to do the swap or buy or even in a perfect world taste for free their huge bounty then you could arrange to visit. This is the tricky part arranging a time. I guess you could private message them from here. Or you could contact them by phone/mobile if they were willing to give out these details. If it was a simply money exchange for fruit you could leave the money in a designated place if no-one was home they could secretly arrange a way to do this. Like the good old days when you left money outside for the milkman :) SMS is a bit tricky because it costs money (about 10cents) in Australia Overseas it is often free. What type of alerts would you like sent by SMS? Suggestions? | About the Author Correy Woolloongabba, QLD 15th April 2008 |
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lynne says... Correy Your ideas are great and eventually if a lot of people sign up, then you'd need system along the lines of what you're thinking to organise things. But as it's a new concept, how about taking it one step at a time -don't change too much in one go - see if people are interested in the idea first, using pretty much the same format as this site that we're all used to. If SMS costs, I think if there's to be notification eventually, email is just as good. But even without this, I for one would be logging onto this site more often if there's a possibility of fruit being offered for sale. So that you don't have to spend too much time on it just right now (until it becomes more popular), how about we just list the suburb and interested parties can arrange to get in touch with oneanother. (BTW when we do get down to calculation distance, can there be an option for 10kms - Victoria is very small compared to Queensland and 30kms is a long way to travel). Oh and can you please give me Fred Flinstone's address - at that price, I'm taking the whole 60kgs! | About the Author lynne melb 17th April 2008 |
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Correy says... Hi Lynee. As you requested I put together a simple rare fruit webpage found here: http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/swap/ You are right in regards to time I am working on another big project at the moment. To do this idea well and get it popular I do think it needs a fair bit of time spent on it. I would like to give people the ability to enter all the fruit trees they are growing in their backyard. They could upload pictures of these trees and commentary and when they fruit with the click of a button all the people in their local area can get notified that they are willing to swap or sell the fruit from that fruit tree. When growing fruit trees the number one thing you want to know is how well it will grow in your climate so if you can search on a map and click on someone a few blocks away (depending on their privacy settings of course) you can effectively view pictures of their fruit trees and even discourse on their successes and failures and when the time is right you may even get invited round to taste their harvest. | About the Author Correy Woolloongabba, QLD 19th April 2008 |
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lynne says... Correy Yes longer term, it would be excellent to link up with and get updates of the progress of fruits grown by other people in the neighbourhood. I have entered details of the prickly pears i currently have in the swap site you set up. Julie, Juanita, Brendan (or any other local fruit grower who may be interested) - if you're going to be in the Mt Waverley area in the next week or so and would like some prickly pears, send me an email and I'll get in touch with you. They may not be there for much longer as they drop easily. Leona, next time you come to Melb, let me know and I'll see what fruits I may have then. | About the Author lynne melb 19th April 2008 |
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| About the Author Ajay Hoppers Crossing,MELB 3rd June 2008 |
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juanita says... Hi Ajay, What a small world as im from hoppers too... Im not sure whether it's a good idea to dig up suckers in this cold frosty weather @ the moment? altho i have another 2 young suckers in the pot still attach to their mom (main p.stem), maybe this one can be divided? I already have 1 pot of moringa 12inches tall & 1 indian guava in ground about 1 metre tall...I don't mind custard apple (sweet sop, atemoya or cherimoya) Rgrds | About the Author juanita melbourne 4th June 2008 |
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Ajay says... Hi Juanita, Yes, it is indeed a small world. I think it would be wiser to wait until the ground is warmer (perhaps around october?) until we split the young suckers from the momma plant. In the mean time, seeing that you live so close by, would you like to come over to see my collection? We can arrange a mutual time if you'd like. I dont have any of my plants in the ground - too scared. As far as custard apple goes, I only have one seedling, am trying to grow more though.. Take care. | About the Author Ajay Hoppers Crossing,MELB 5th June 2008 |
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| About the Author juanita melbourne 5th June 2008 |
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Marg says... Hi I am in if that's ok...I have about 80 usual and rare fruit trees and herbs and spices...many of which I try year after year. Now the garden has a bit more shelter things are taking off.. Along with growing from seed and cuttings..nutritech have a keen propagation system called "The Rooterpot™ Rooter & Stem Nursery Hydro-Capillary for obtaining model trees and shrubs within the season. The articulated mini-greenhouse that produces specimens with outstanding stem and root development by the old system of laying, now technically improved! " quote from website...Also I am interested in budding and grafting, which may be a fantastic way we can swap more material amongst us...particularly if the plant has survived our winters.. So I have custards, cherimoya, guavas, bananas, henna, curry leaf, mountain paw paw, babaco, avocados everywhere, cinnamon, cloves, kava, pipers, nearly every citrus, ice cream bean, brugmansias, all sorts clumping and edible bamboos, macadamia, candlenut etc...on and on...yes I am an addict cheers love to hear from anyone | About the Author Marg Camb Melbourne 7th June 2008 |
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| About the Author Roger surrey hills 8th June 2008 |
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| About the Author Ron Upper Beaconsfield Vic 8th June 2008 |
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Marg says... Hi back Roger and Ron, first thing I did was contact Daleys...they have really great trees, and apart from the first winter they have been great....I started palnting 3 seasons ago about this time of year after six months of backbreaking clearing and refurbishing the soil we have here..(hydrophobic grey sand). Lost quite a few things like paw paws and cinnamon in the first winter...but I mad enough to keep trying, although I try to do my main planting in spring..At Louis Glowinskis last open garden, and he was saying it would be his last..there was a grower from Glenlyon.. Adrian from Useful Plants I have his number but I am not sure whether to put it on the site I will call him first...I got sugar cane from them, and they had coffee and many others as well. Diggers also has some unusual fruit as do Perrys from SA, All Rare Herbs has lots of stuff but they are small, and lastly Bunnings occasionally has really interesting stuff like bananas BUT only buy grafted trees and bunnings generally has only seedlings, at the moment they have macadamia and mangoes both seedlings so don't get them....Morrisons fruit tree nursery in Doncaster w always has interesting plants and I'm sure they would get anything you want to try in as an order, Dicksonia rare plants at Macedon and Yamina rare plants in the Dandenongs have more cold hardy unusual stuff....and I'm always on the lookout for anywhere else..so if anyone has their favorite supplier...I am going to prune some branches off my Fuerte and Hass avocados and need to know when to do this so I can use them as grafts or give them away for others to graft onto those seedings we all have in the garden......cheers | About the Author Marg Camb Melbourne 9th June 2008 |
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lynne says... Marg Your collection is awesome! I'm amazed at how you can manage to fit all those fruit trees into a suburban garden. Thank you for the comprehensive listing of nurseries too - I'll check a couple of them out this weekend. Can you please tell me if the ice cream beans have fruited yet? I'm about to inherit one and would like to do all that I can to give it a good home. Lynne | About the Author lynne melb 11th June 2008 |
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John says... This is turning into a great site. Need assistance of where to purchase four Sandalwood Trees, I have the Jam Wattles in Place (Host Trees)Now need to plant the Sandalwood. Also where to purchase two Muntries Berry Trees (Kunzea Pomifera) Your assistance would be appreciated Cheers John | About the Author John Melton 3337 12th June 2008 |
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Marg says... lynne no beans yet but at least 1 tree is 3 metres this year and looking fine...not as quick as I expected for this type of tree but they are all in quite dry spots...on the other hand some things have grown 2 metres in a single year..like the avocadoes...just enormous and so I will start budding these guys soon....I do foliar feed every rain (after) which in Melbourne has been infrequent.. I use seaweed to make them stronger and fulvic acid and microbes with the npk, with all sorts of vitamins etc...mostly from Nutritech again and seasol and Bass laboratories...we have sandy dry soil and all this foliar feeding really makes a difference. The hardest thing I am trying to grow is a clove tree.....see how it goes this year.. | About the Author Marg Camb Melbourne 14th June 2008 |
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Marg says... John got this off the sandalwood site so I hope it helps, or ask Kuranga native nurseries to get them cheers Farm Tree Nurseries (Host seedlings suppliers) The following Farm Tree Nurseries can supply host seedlings and are members of the Australian Sandalwood Network. The ASN encourages members to support these nurseries, as they support the ASN; NOTE: If planning to order host seedlings for establishment in winter 2008, aim to place your order with your preferred nursery as soon as possible, preferably before November 2007, to secure your order. GAWA Tree Stocking Rate Guide Nursery Location Contact Chatfields Tammin (08) 9637 1075 Greenwood Trees Toodyay (08) 9574 4675 Misty Ridge Plant Farm Wundowie (08) 9572 7145 Parnells Nusery Tincurrin (08) 98832024 WA Farm Trees Northam (08) 9622 7743 Westgrow Farm Trees Meckering (08) 9625 1355 Whispering Gums Beverley (08) 9648 1048 Wongan Trees Wongan Hills (08) 9671 1979 | About the Author Marg Camb Melbourne 14th June 2008 |
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| About the Author Ajay Hoppers Crossing,MELB 17th June 2008 |
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| About the Author Marg Camb Melbourne 18th June 2008 |
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lynne says... Marg thanks for your detailed reply regarding fertilisers. I don't know what some of them are at the moment (only started gardening last year) but will look into them. I might try asking if anyone in the forum in Melb has had ice cream beans fruit. Your great success with avocado is just the impetus we needed to get one. | About the Author lynne melb 22nd June 2008 |
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| About the Author lynne melb 25th June 2008 |
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| About the Author shalvin sunshine 2nd July 2008 |
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Marg says... definitely get an avocado...just protect it from the evil ring tail (ringbark) possums!!!!! and the kava came from ALL RARE HERBS too they have a massive list I keep it in a big pot in a bunnings poly hut next to my gas heater outside which blows steam all the time the clove, cinnamon and a couple of other little things are there as well...it never gets below 12 degrees and once everything is in the ground in spring they will be fine and protected...even so a little bit of shelter over winter seems pretty easy. I am in Camberwell and quite sheltered...and winter has only just hit so I may have bad news as the cold progresses.... | About the Author Marg Camb Melbourne 9th July 2008 |
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lynne says... they got the forecast wrong last night - said the minimum was 7c but actually dropped to 3c! Marg you're welcome to some of my industrial bubble wrap if you like - I've read that it gives more insulation than poly http://www.gonegardening.com/xq/asp/group_id.20/article_id.72/referer./qx/gg_shop/article.htm It sounds like you only use a little bit and I have some to spare. We're in Mt Waverley so can easily be passed onto to you cclynne@gmail.com | About the Author lynne melb 9th July 2008 |
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| About the Author lynne melb 31st August 2008 |
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| About the Author Kirst Dandenong Nth 17th September 2008 |
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| About the Author Ajay Hoppers Crossing,MELB 26th September 2008 |
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Margaret says... Hi All I so agree with Kirsty about getting together every so often Being a member of the SA rare fruit society is just so painful as they have some wonderful meetings, with budwood and swap and sell tables.... I have often wondered about trying to organise a Melbourne branch. I guess to begin all we have to do is work out a place and date, all show up with spare things we have or at least a list of what we could propagate. We should make sure this goes into the Melbourne trop fruit forum as well cheers Marg | About the Author Margaret 1st October 2008 |
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| About the Author shalvin sunshiine 1st October 2008 |
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| About the Author Ajay Hoppers Crossing,MELB 7th October 2008 |
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| About the Author Ajay Hoppers Crossing,MELB 13th October 2008 |
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