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| About the Author Tommoz Dural 6th February 2014 7:02pm #UserID: 7219 Posts: 340 View All Tommoz's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author jakfruit etiquette vic 22nd February 2014 5:56am #UserID: 5133 Posts: 915 View All jakfruit etiquette's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Tommoz Dural 22nd February 2014 11:24am #UserID: 7219 Posts: 340 View All Tommoz's Edible Fruit Trees |
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jakfruit etiquette says... Heres the source http://www.plantsofthesouthwest.com/Golden-Currantbri-Ribes-aureum/productinfo/S2800/ But you are right seems to be black types also, best if you nail down a better type for seed propagation. | About the Author jakfruit etiquette vic 22nd February 2014 4:36pm #UserID: 5133 Posts: 915 View All jakfruit etiquette's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BenW says... Parr's nursery, Corbago, NSW has them. I have a couple of plants that are growing fine in a cool area of Victoria. I am yet to get fruit to ripen however - not sure if this is due to a need for cross pollination (I expect mine are both propagated from the same plant), it being a sterile cultivar, or me just being impatient, so I can't tell you how it compares to black currants for flavour I'm sure I will eventually get at least one or two fruit and I might see if I can raise a more prolific variety... | About the Author BenW Melbourne 24th February 2014 3:53pm #UserID: 5390 Posts: 144 View All BenW's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Tommoz says... Thanks Ben. I found out about Parr's in another thread. Unfortunately, his have never produced fruit, probably because it is ribes aureum, which is dioecious and he has clones all of the same sex. I've found out that ribes odoratum is actually different although many do not make this distinction. But this is supposed to be self fertile. | About the Author Tommoz Dural 24th February 2014 6:10pm #UserID: 7219 Posts: 340 View All Tommoz's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BenW says... When I got mine a few years ago, I did look for other sources of plants but couldn't find any. Good luck! (and post on the forum if you do). I am fairly sure neither species is on the banned list, so you could import seed without too much expense if you found a supplier in the US? I seem to remember that my bush had a few smallish fruit that aborted, or the birds got this year, but I may be thinking of my flowering currant, which did mature a few fruit. I live in one of the few parts of Australia where ribes do well and grow a number of gooseberry and currant cultivars, which could potentially be pollinating it. I will pay more attention next year and maybe try to hand pollinate. I have considered trying to cross mine with some black currants and gooseberries, to see if the seedlings have low chill requirements. | About the Author BenW Kinglake West,3757,VIC 28th February 2014 1:27pm #UserID: 5390 Posts: 144 View All BenW's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BenW says... After doing a little reading it seems I might be on the right track. Ribes sanguineum (flowering current) can cross with Ribes odoratum/aureum http://www.botanic.cam.ac.uk/Botanic/Plant.aspx?p=27&ix=9&pid=0&prcid=0&ppid=0 I'm not sure how many people would be growing both close together, which might explain the fruit I (possibly)observed. If my Parr's plant is female, a hybrid of it with sanguineum might make a suitable pollination partner. If it's male, a couple of generations back crossing might result in something fairly close to a buffalo current (but with fruit). They only take a couple of years to fruit from seed I believe, so it would be doable. It would probably just be easier to import some pure Buffalo Current seed though... | About the Author BenW Kinglake West,3757,VIC 28th February 2014 1:51pm #UserID: 5390 Posts: 144 View All BenW's Edible Fruit Trees |
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JohnO says... Spring Park Nursery sell Ribes aureum, but it is not available at present. I recently enquired and was told that it will next be available in the spring. Some but not all of their products are available for mail order - I don't know whether this will be one of them. The nursery is near Daylesford, VIC; their website is http://www.springparknursery.com.au/ The wholesale nursery Flemings lists Ribes odoratum on their website, but I do not know which retail outlets would carry it. See http://www.flemings.com.au/ornamental_details.asp?CULT_ID=RIBEODOR | About the Author JohnO Peakhurst, NSW 1st March 2014 2:29pm #UserID: 9567 Posts: 2 View All JohnO's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Tommoz says... Great find JohnO. I guess I never saw it on Flemings website because it is listed as an ornamental. Good news is they mention the fruiting quality of the plant, so it is odoratum I am definitely after. With any luck it will be the crandall cultivar. My guess is Flower Power could stock them. Most ribes aureum probably dont fruit as there is no mention of it on Spring Park Nursery's web site. Also I think the aureum are dioecious, another obstacle. | About the Author Tommoz Dural 1st March 2014 2:48pm #UserID: 7219 Posts: 340 View All Tommoz's Edible Fruit Trees |
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JohnO says... With regard to dioecy or monoecy, note that the Flemings webpage describes Ribes odoratum as dioecious. There appears to be some differences of opinion about both R. odoratum and R. aureum in this regard, as follows. The following sources all claim that Ribes odoratum is dioecious: http://www.hort.uconn.edu/plants/r/ribodo/ribodo1.html http://wp.nres.uiuc.edu/plant/ribod40 http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/PlantFinder/PlantFinderDetails.aspx?kempercode=m110 http://www.fruitipedia.com/clove_currant_ribes_odoratum.htm The following claims that Ribes odoratum may not be dioecious: http://waldenheightsnursery.com/store/bush-small-fruit/currants/crandall-currant The following sources claim that Ribes aureum is monoecious: http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=706 http://www.fourdir.com/p_golden_currant.htm The following source claims that Ribes odoratum is hermaphrodite: http://www.pfaf.org/user/plant.aspx?LatinName=Ribes+odoratum The following sources claim that Ribes aureum is hermaphrodite: http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Ribes+aureum http://theplantencyclopedia.org/index.php?title=Ribes_aureum (The latter recommends cross-pollination for increased yield.) I have one Ribes odoratum purchased from Parrs two years ago. It has flowered but not produced fruit. This appears to be consistent with BenW's experience. | About the Author JohnO Peakhurst, NSW 2nd March 2014 9:57pm #UserID: 9567 Posts: 2 View All JohnO's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author jakfruit etiquette vic 3rd March 2014 7:32am #UserID: 5133 Posts: 915 View All jakfruit etiquette's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Tommoz says... Kudos to you JohnO for all the research. One can't be sure what is being sold from Parr's. His catalogue has odoratum syn. aureum, meaning he thinks they are the same. Anyway, whatever he has, he has never gotten any fruit and he's been selling them for 20 years. He can't remember where he got the stock from. Someone from Flemings got back to me this morning. Apparently they are no longer selling ribes odoratum and the request has been made to take it down from the web site. Maybe some of their stockers still have them though. | About the Author Tommoz Dural 3rd March 2014 10:36am #UserID: 7219 Posts: 340 View All Tommoz's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BenW says... I have picked up some cuttings from someone growing them from as ornamental. Unfortunately they couldn't tell me whether they fruited. Maybe I will be able to check back and see in a few months. Fingers crossed they are pollination compatible with my ones from Parrs. They grow fast and flower from a small size so I should know within a year or two, hopefully. I'd likely have some cuttings to distribute at about the same time. I might swing by the Daylesford nursery listed above too in a few months. Not that far from me and will maximize my chances of fruit. There have to be compatible pollination partners somewhere in Australia... | About the Author BenW Kinglake West,3757,VIC 21st July 2014 4:39pm #UserID: 5390 Posts: 144 View All BenW's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Tommoz Dural 21st July 2014 6:45pm #UserID: 7219 Posts: 340 View All Tommoz's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BenW says... I paid closer attention this year and I definitely get fruit on the Parrs sourced plant... The majority fall off however I have a few that might make it to maturity. In the second photo, I squished one and it looks like embrionic seeds to me. I did have some cuttings of R. aureum villosum nearby that had a few flowers. We'll see what the fruit set is like next year once the cuttings are a bit bigger :)
| About the Author BenW Kinglake West,3757,VIC 30th October 2014 12:41pm #UserID: 5390 Posts: 144 View All BenW's Edible Fruit Trees |
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