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Ivan starts with ... Hi everyone I just planted two of these trees in my backyard on the weekend. Would like to hear feedback from those who have grown these as to how they perform and taste like. I live in Adelaide. Info available on the internet are fairly scarce on this particular variety. What sport are they from? Thanks | About the Author Ivan 12th November 2012 3:12pm #UserID: 7378 Posts: 15 View All Ivan's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... I have one of these tropic sun, purchased 2 years ago. Been through 2 winters in Brisbane, no flowers as yet, let alone any fruit, so definitely can't tell you on taste. it's been growing in a pot and is a slow growing plant, currently at about 2m tall. It apprears to tolerate the dry and the wet. I also tip purne but it does not respond by growing side shoots, it seems to just stunt any more growth. I also have a Paxton's Prolific/KJ Pinks, same age 2 years and grown in a same size pot. This one is a bit more energetic, does put on new leaves easily. This one is also FLOWERING. I have like 7 flowers now, so fingers cross for some fruit. Irony is, desite not being a dwarf like the tropic sun, this plant is actually smaller. From my observations, tropic sun is 'dwarf' due to it's lower vigour. Good luck :) | About the Author Brain Brisbane 12th November 2012 4:08pm #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author JohnMc1 12th November 2012 4:44pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... Will anyone have spare wood for budwood next late winter-spring? I purchased one last year, but it was a mess and didnt get a chance to graft it onto my PP before it passed over. They seem to be grafted onto sugar apple, which is weaker in the sub-trops and stunts the plant's growth. I'm hoping grafting onto PP will get the most out of the plant, with cherimoya as a better rootstock. My PP had four fruit its first year in ground and is flowering its head off right now. It doesnt seem to set the early flowers well but will set a high percent of the later flowers. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 12th November 2012 5:05pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author Brain Brisbane 12th November 2012 6:43pm #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Db says... I'm also growing one of Tropic Sun, bought and planted in ground around 9 months back, so been through only one winter so haven't tasted yet. It has now dropped all of its previous season leaves and putting on new growth, I can see 3 tiny flowers on it but I'm not expecting it to set any fruit this time. It is slow grower but so is my Paxton's Prolific. I bought and planted PP in ground same time as Tropic Sun. PP has set 25+ flowers on new growth in this season but most are dropping without setting fruits. Looks like 5 flowers has set fruit as they are still hanging on tree after dropping its petals around week back, so fingers crossed.. My Tropic Sun is growing slightly better than PP.. | About the Author Db Brisbane 12th November 2012 7:08pm #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... BJ I'll have some as well. I successfully grafted a number of my prunings onto several annonas this spring, including a lower limb on an African Pride Atemoya with new growth beginning to push out, I didn't want to waste any. I didn't take the scionwood till I saw big fat buds, they appear to graft quite easily. Have you read up on the green grafting method for Annonas? I'm going to give it a go when there is enough green growth to prune. | About the Author JohnMc1 13th November 2012 5:53pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author peter 1000 adelaide 13th November 2012 6:22pm #UserID: 6592 Posts: 102 View All peter 1000's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Loquat? I didn't have much luck with a tree I moved. I'd do it again if I ever get the opportunity, there's nothing to lose. It hung on for 6 months but slowly slowly died. I was lucky enough to successfully graft a scion from it to a seedling Naga before it died completely. It was the Champagne cv. I read about green grafting in this CSIRO book pictured.
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Db says... Brain, instead of tip pruning, have you tried removing few leaves from the other end of the branch? That will encourage plant to shoot new branches there, I haven't tried it yet (as lower leaves on mine already dropped by now and new branches growing) but thats what is mentioned on my PP's label. Tip pruning will simply stunt it and stop growth as they are slow grower... Also, they seem to like in ground instead of being in pot, I'm growing one PP in pot as well but its not growing well as compared to one in ground (but I stunned it by pruning top half when I planted it to encourage side branches, so that could be the reason its not growing well in pot).. | About the Author Db Brisbane 14th November 2012 10:46am #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... Hi DB, would you be able to type out the entire PP label? Obvisously I didn't get a label on mine and would love to see what the instruction says. Once I win the lotto/ozlotto/powerball, I'd be singling "Oh, give me land, lots of land under starry skies above Don't fence me in .." and give my trees their little bit of land :) | About the Author Brain Brisbane 14th November 2012 4:53pm #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Ivan says... Label from PP. Very interesting tips about pruning...
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BJ says... Annona atemoya (A. cherimoya x A. squamosa) One of the most delicious subtropical fruits to grow at home. Can be maintained at 2.5 - 3m by annual winter pruning. Ideally suited to coastal areas from Perth to Sydney and inland from Rockhampton, including Mt Isa, Katherine and across to Broome. Site selection: Well drained soil important. otherwise build a mound min 300mm high by 1m diameter. Full sun position, protected from strong winds & heavy frosts until well established. Soil preparation: To m2 before planting apply 2kg Dynamic Lifter, 200g dolomite, 100g gypsum, 100g nitrophoska or equivalent. Side dressing: August 100g dolomite, 50g gypsum. Sept, Dec, March 50g nitrophoska blue & 2kg dynamic lifter per m2. Mulching: Use grass clippings & compost max. 50mm thick in August prior to fertilising. Winter pruning: Essential to promote early fruit set & heavy cropping. Late july / Early August prune back all medium to strong previous summer growth by half & remove 2-4 leaves from end of branch. Summer pruning: Nov & Feb. When growth is 400-500mm prune back to 300mm & remove two leaves from end of branch to allow new growth to shoot from under leaf stalks (petioles). Harvesting: Fruit mature March to july. pick large fruit from tree and eat when soft 2-5 days after harvest. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 14th November 2012 8:25pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author Ivan Adelaide 14th November 2012 8:43pm #UserID: 7378 Posts: 15 View All Ivan's Edible Fruit Trees |
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VF says... Thanks Ivan (and BJ) - I too didn't have tag on PP when I bought it. Ended up getting a TS from Daley's last week - WOW, comparing their pruning to mine (on the PP) is worlds apart! I've definitely been too soft.(Think manicure scissors v chainsaw . Well almost, anyway). The TS had some flowers open today and the scent was divine - as my daughter said, they smelt like a really yummy custard apple. (PP flowers not open yet, so can't compare, but I don't recall last year their scent being as good.) | About the Author VF Wongawallan 14th November 2012 10:20pm #UserID: 6795 Posts: 736 View All VF's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author Db Brisbane 15th November 2012 9:04am #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author Brain Brisbane 16th November 2012 11:34am #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Ivan says... VF- how'd you get your hands on the Tropic suns last week? I was monitoring the Daleys sales list for the last fortnight and snapped the only two available one morning. You must have been faster than me... Fitzroy are out of stock until jan next year hence my keeness. My next target are the bernitsch ca and fino de jete cherimoya. | About the Author Ivan Adelaide 16th November 2012 10:28pm #UserID: 7378 Posts: 15 View All Ivan's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Db says... Just an update abt my PP I mentioned in my first post above - Out of those 5 flowers that I mentioned, 4 has been now dropped and 1 has set fruit (yey), not bad considering I planted it just 9 months back.. and lots of flowers yet to open, so hopefully it will set couple of more fruits in this season... | About the Author Db Brisbane 17th November 2012 4:35pm #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Db says... Peter, I was bit excited to see first fruit but I know it can get dropped anytime so fingers crossed... I did not hand pollinate it.. So do you mean hand pollination will not drop fruit and make it to full size?? I have excellent quality custard apple tree in my home country that I planted more than 15 yrs back, I don't know variety but on outside it looks like TS. It has excellent flavour and can be kept in fridge for much much time than the one one we get here.. My parents now enjoys that fruit every year.. I wish I could bring seeds/cuttings here, hahaha... | About the Author Db Brisbane 17th November 2012 7:49pm #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... A week after my moaning in the above post I've now got at least 10 small fruit set on the PP (4ft bush) and around 50 on the sugar apple next door (8-9ft). Flowering has really only just started on both. I've been hand pollinating the rollinia as well and it looks like I may have around 5-6 fruit on it also (12ft). The rollinia is the hardest to pollinate as the flowering cycle goes closed-female-male on alternate days, so the pollen has to be fridged for at least 24hrs before use, so much of it isnt viable, but it appears that some still is? or the PP pollen in the same container also assists in pollinating rollinia? The only ass dragger in my annonaceous crew now is the grafted 'Kyogle' soursop. I may dig this one up and offer it to another Brisbane grower if they have the patience, space and love of guanabana to wait until its flowering cycle settles itself as it currently flowers heavily in early winter but doesnt hold fruit through till spring... | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 19th November 2012 8:26pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... Yep, I was very happy yesterday when I checked to see the damage from the hail storm. It came with sheeting rain and good sized hail, but turned to heavy rain after about 3 mins. Luckily no damage to young fruit, just shotholes in leaves. I thought I'd be back to 0 annona for sure! The heavy rain will ensure a healthy crop of annonas, eugenias, jamaican cherries, papaya, grapes, summer loquats, bananas and others. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 19th November 2012 8:39pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... It's good to see my Annonas have aligned themselves this year with their cuz'es way up north, flowering and setting at the same time as Cairns. Wow, I'm usually hand pollinating mine after Christmas. Even the A. Squamosa's are flowering now, together with grafted Rollinias, Atemoyas and Cherimoyas. It's shaping up to be a good year for the Annonas. | About the Author JohnMc1 20th November 2012 12:12pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Db says... Peter, thanks for your tip regarding hand pollination on custard apple.. I have now successfully hand pollinated 4-5 fruits on my PP, fruits are still very tiny but looks like they are set :) I have also hand pollinated one flower on my Tropic Sun, I had only 2 flowers in this season so far on tropic Sun, first flower didn't set naturally so tried hand-pollination on 2nd flower using PP's pollens and looks like it is set but it is too early to confirm it, may be couple of more weeks to confirm it.. I'm not sure if PP's pollen will work on tropic Sun though, result will be interesting to see if this fruit sets.. Anyway, very happy with hand pollination on PP so far, I'm sure once tree grows bigger there won't be any need to do hand pollination.. | About the Author Db Brisbane 4th December 2012 10:39am #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... Jantina DAFF give out alot of bad advice only for the importer to have seeds confiscated. http://www.aqis.gov.au/icon32/asp/ex_casecontent.asp?intNodeId=8276092&intCommodityId=23412&Types=none&WhichQuery=Go+to+full+text&intSearch=1&LogSessionID=0 They must be treated with phosphite and other chemicals.Melbourne will always confiscate annona that is untreated but Sydney will let them through after inspection.This has been a repeated theme for me lately with imported ilama,A.reticulatas and others.The green curtain is quickly snapping down. | About the Author Cairns 4th December 2012 7:53pm #UserID: 5418 Posts: 1438 View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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peter 1000 says... Hi Jantina/Mike ive tried importing cherimoya seeds from a couple of sources via ebay. one lot made it through the post but another was held back in Sydney, when i spoke to them they wanted me to spend a fortune for them to treat the seeds before sending them to me. i dont know anywhere in particular that sells seed in the US but im sure i could arrange something if it was a simple process to bring them in. they certainly have some excellent varieties over there. | About the Author peter 1000 adelaide 4th December 2012 8:35pm #UserID: 6592 Posts: 102 View All peter 1000's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... peter 1000 a few months ago I said I was trying to get the top cherimoyas from the US and portugal.The seeds got pocketed by DAFF due to cryptic conditions not evident in the on ICON.Extortion is the next step in the process.As a biologist having worked on pest management I was taken aback at how phoney it all is.I had kuinis pocketed by them last week due to the husk not being removed.DAFF will look for a way to snatch permitted seeds and the import conditions won't let you know what you have to do.It really should be about risk but the system is a shonk as you just have to look at what is coming in legally. | About the Author Cairns 4th December 2012 9:07pm #UserID: 5418 Posts: 1438 View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... So right Mike, I knew someone (now gone to heaven) who worked for the then AQIS and they brought home a lot of what they confiscated for their own use. That and my subsequent experiences mean I've lost all faith and respect for that system, which by the way changes all the time. AND some officers I have spoken to simply know very little about plants. Disgusted just about sums it up! | About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 5th December 2012 11:09am #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... My tree is on a three day cycle - closed - female - male. its easy to tell when they are in each stage. female is open slightly and has an intoxicating scent, male is open fully. The trees cycle means that I have to collect pollen in the male stage and store it in a chinese food container in the crisper in the fridge for at least 36 hours until i hit female stage again and can pollinate. it seems to keep for 36-48hrs, rather than the 24 hrs literature might suggest. The pollen is easy to extract, and you can pull the petals off if you want extra pollen. you'll need a nice thin natural fibre paintbrush or the like to deposit the pollen into the females as the hole in the flower is much smaller than other annona. i've also pulled off a wing on some to make it easier to get into the female flowers. Its mostly the same as other annona, just with stranger flowers. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 28th December 2012 9:21am #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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VF says... How have your Tropic Suns coped with the big wet we've just experienced? Mine looks pathetic! It's lost all its leaves except for new growth on all branch tips, but the growth not particularly flash looking. Does anyone have tips for growing this wretched plant?? My PP and cherimoyas look the picture of health. | About the Author VF Wongawallan 21st March 2013 8:04am #UserID: 6795 Posts: 736 View All VF's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Db says... VF, mine is growing very well after all this rain here, tree has dropped few leaves after yellowing but only 5-10 leaves. New growth has also developed few flowers but they are are not getting pollinated so falling one by one. My tree is in raised garden bed, roughly 1.5 ft raised ( we have heavy clay below raised garden). Excellent drainage upto 1 mater down from top soil level is very important for custard apple tree to flourish it, that's the key. | About the Author Db Brisbane 21st March 2013 8:47am #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... I have the same problem, my Tropic Sun has these tiny developed leaves (about 5 per each node) and then it stopped. Despite the rain, it grew maybe a tiny fraction bigger during the 2 week rainy period but remains in suspended animation. Seriously there is something very strange going on with that plant. PP flowered but no fruit. Still growing well. Should have spare wood, albeit on the skinny side - tree is only like 1m tall with 6/7 branches. | About the Author Brain Brisbane 21st March 2013 11:21am #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... VF, I've revived many a plant by re-potting them up untill they recover. My problem, which has been fixed now by permanent retriculation, is not giving them the water they craved. There was a massive explosion of growth here with all that recent rain. Goes to show just how much water they really like. And besides, I'm on sloping ground, so drainage is not a problem, more of a curse for me. | About the Author JohnMc1 24th March 2013 1:51pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... I paid good money for the Troipcal Sun, and with the motto of never say die,I will just have to keep trying :). I like John's suggestion of repotting and probably do it over winter in a few months' time. Thinking back when I first got the TS, it was full of leaves and green. So something must have went terribly somewhere. | About the Author Brain Brisbane 25th March 2013 11:51am #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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VF says... Well John Mc, hats off to you! I now officially envy you :) What's your secret???? I read your earlier post, and went out early this morning with spade in hand ready to dig plant up. I was pleasantly surprised to see several very small furry buds where previous leaves had fallen off, so fingers crossed, it may yet make a revival....hopefully. At the moment it looks like a real dud. Here are a couple of pictures, with TS being one and Sofia Cherimoya the other. I'll let you guess which is which. These 2 were bought at same time, planted the same way on the same day, yet have developed very differently. Now you can see why I'm not happy!
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John Mc says... I think you're right VF. Not all grafted trees grow into beautiful strong healthy specimens. I bought two "White" Cherimoya's, one is a beautiful healthy tree, 3m tall, the other has struggled from day one and is still only knee high. I have black sapote's that have grown into nice shaped trees, while others just have this long scraggly mess of branches that just sag around on the ground. | About the Author JohnMc1 26th March 2013 4:20pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Db says... VF, may be give your TS some more time, I think it will start re-growing in spring.. Mine didn't grow much for first 6 months or so... I purchased mine and put it in ground around 13 months back.. Now its healthy, leaves has now become bit yellowish after recent rain but its not a major issue.. Here is photo of my TS -
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VF says... Hi Brain, how's your TS now. I bought a second plant, and this one is actually healthy and growing! First plant is now ditched. The difference between the two was the rootstock used. Unhealthy dud had sugar apple, healthy has cherimoya. What a a difference! Guess the squamosa hated the wet we had. Hope yours is ok. | About the Author VF 28th August 2013 3:38pm #UserID: 6795 Posts: 736 View All VF's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... I think my tropic sun is now dead. :( the tiny leaves (from bud development since last spring) had never developed further into normal size leaves and now, everything is brown. About 2 weeks ago, I pruned the tips looking for signs of life but the bark/wood has no green. How do you check for type of rootstock? I saw some TS at bunnies but have stayed away. I could be tempted to give it one more go. On a happier note, my PP produced one fruit last season and was picked about a month ago. Can't comment on taste as I gave it away to my mother. | About the Author Brain Brisbane 28th August 2013 4:00pm #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... I may buy one from Daleys as they do them themselves on Cherimoya. The Rocky supplier does them on Sweetsop, which performs poorly as a rootstock here, and likely much worse the further you go south. Sweetsop does very well here on its own, but it sucks as a rootstock supporting an atemoya. My one was evidently suffering root rot when purchased, as roots were spongy when I tried to plant it, so I put it in the bin and didnt even try to 'save' it. The replacement PP has been more than I could have hoped for. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 28th August 2013 4:16pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... That's interesting BJ, they were reporting TS as a dwarf, hence the CV being grafted onto sugar apple. My TS is definitely not a dwarf, growing to over 2.4m in two years. I suspect mine is a Daley's graft on Cherimoya, definitely a large, strong plant. I don't have a lot of success with sugar apples here, although one sugar apple seedling has been doing OK for the past three years, but is still only 1 metre tall. | About the Author JohnMc1 28th August 2013 7:56pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... I was beginning to wonder if the dwarfing was rootstock related, as sweetsop only gets to 2.5m ish. I'd prefer a strong regular sized atemoya on atemoya or cherimoya stock than a slow growing weak tree on sweetsop. As an aside, my sweetsop gets loaded and performs as well as my atemoyas and has nice smooth flesh that tastes like condensed milk. But I wouldn't graft an atemoya onto it. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 28th August 2013 8:36pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... yeah, I should have said in typical atemoya growing areas (where TS is being targeted) it usually stays small. Though even here, I guess, if I didnt prune mine back yearly it would be 4m odd. Still, they dont generally come close to atemoya sized trees. Im still unsure of why the rootstock failed so badly. They were in a gritty mix. It should have been free draining, but in nurseries that water twice daily most folks I've heard from have found root rot and rootstock problems. Mike, if yours was unlabelled with rootstock and didnt come from Daley's recently, it would have been from Rocky and the same stock. I am not 100% but I think Daley's are the only other propagator of TS outside of the Rocky folks, similar to the Achacha situation... | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 29th August 2013 9:15am #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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VF says... Brain, I had the commercial plant tag which differentiated between the two rootstocks. There was a visible difference in appearance too. The cherimoya looks same as stock for my PP and grafted cheri's, the squamosa was ?darker and ?smoother if I remember correctly (going back a few months ago now) - I can' t recall accurately as I was pleased I found a replacement and got rid of the dud, but they didn't look alike. Glad your PP gave you a fruit at least. Should be more this year. Mike, you'll have to let us know how the cherimoya rootstock fares up north - I' m curious to see if it works well for you too. | About the Author VF 29th August 2013 9:56pm #UserID: 6795 Posts: 736 View All VF's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... I will double check my tag when I get back out into the garden. Still, I would like to get the dwarfing rootstock but from what I read, the cherimoya is a winner but just not dwarf. Decisions decisions. Update: checked my tags, in fact, my TS is from Daley. Now I can't even blame the rootstock for poor performance. | About the Author Brain Brisbane 30th August 2013 1:42pm #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author JohnMc1 Warnervale NSW 20th April 2014 11:01am #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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ThanhT says... Hi, I have hand pollination more than 30 flowers of tropic sun custard apple (4 years old) and sofia cherimoya(3 years old) in the last 4 weeks but none turn into fruit, really frustrated atm. I collected pollen from completely OPEN flower around 6-7PM and put in the freeze, early next morning (7-8AM) dabbed, twirled the pollen to the JUST open flower. The petals just dried off (ts1), dropped (ts2) then the whole flower fell off to the ground. Do you know what to do? The attached is the carob. Just want to know when the fruit is ready and how to eat? Thank you very much.
| About the Author ThanhT FAIRFIELD EAST,2165,NSW 22nd November 2014 1:16pm #UserID: 7261 Posts: 10 View All ThanhT's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jenny says... Hi Thanht I do not have a tropic sun but a young Paxton prolific and rollinia. My suggestion is trying to vary the times of collection and pollination, I am having good success by collecting pollen from both trees between 4:30 - 5:30, keeping it in a small airtight container in the fridge not freezer and then pollinating the next afternoon about the same time. Some small fruit will die but some should hold on. Keep the trees well watered too. Good luck! | About the Author Jenny Brisbane 23rd November 2014 12:13pm #UserID: 6352 Posts: 136 View All Jenny's Edible Fruit Trees |
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ThanhT says... Thank you Jenny for your suggestion. Sorry I mean, storing the pollen in the fridge. I hope will do better time next year then as no more flower on the cherimoya and only a few flowers left on the tropic sun. Just a question, when you see a male flower stage does it mean that flower FAIL to fruit? ( wether hand pollination or natural). | About the Author ThanhT FAIRFIELD EAST,2165,NSW 24th November 2014 7:58pm #UserID: 7261 Posts: 10 View All ThanhT's Edible Fruit Trees |
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