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What is this, starts with ...
Can anyone please tell me what this is.
I bought it from a market and I was told it was a cherry tree.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
It is a BRAZILIAN CHERRY, Eugenia uniflora
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kert says...
Does anyone have a black Pitanga (E. uniflora)?
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Tropicdude says...
I dont think I have ever seen a black Pitanga before Kert, are you perhaps refering to the Grumichama also a Eugenia cherry from Brazil?

I have one in a pot, they are very ornamental, I love the way the foliage looks. I hope it fruits soon, its about a 3 year old plant now.
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kert says...
Yes, there is . I saw one and ,for a while, Forbidden Fruit Nursery in Mullumbimby had one for sale ;but no longer. They taste much better than the red ones , not having the resinous taste . If you see one leap onto it.
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amanda says...
Not a plant - but still strange...? I wonder what it will be when it grows up?
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micarle says...
Amanda, its a Mole Cricket( I think )
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micarle says...
Kert Daley's listed the Black form about 3 months ago! I know because i got one sent down to me! hope this helps
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BJ says...
There are 34 still listed for sale. Stragely they are not on the same page as the regular Brazilian Cherry, but on their own under Sth American Fruits.
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Steven says...
Amanda i think its an alien being!! :)

I remember when i went camping near lake eildon a few years ago there were holes in the ground everywhere thicker than a pencil and ever now and then you would find the biggest moth i have ever seen. I dont know thier names but it could be the same thing or something similar
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Jimmy says...
Its a sandgroper.
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amanda says...
U are right Jimmy! I just had a google of sandgropers...I always wondered what they looked like :) Thanks - I am quite chuffed I have finally seen one.

Ps micarle - u were right too - it's a type of mole cricket.

Now I finally know what makes the raised tunnels just under the surface of my cracker dust paths!
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Charles cant spell says...
This is the moles crickets at our place
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amanda says...
That's really cool CCS.. I love seeing kids embrace nature like that. It freaked me out last week when I took my 6yr into class - and there were all these kids holding a few Thorny Devils and a rare python. They had no fear at all.
One of the class Dad's is a CALM officer and they were confiscated and illegal contraband..

Great pic Charles - thanks for sharing it with us :)
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amanda says...
Anyone seen this on baby plums before? It has developed quite fast and there is nothing eating them.

It's on the stem end and you can see the tissue breaking down under the yuk bit?

Is this a serious deficiency or a fungus of some kind maybe?

I swear I am going to rip these plethoric plum trees out one day! Grrrr!!
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Lorna says...
It's not brown rot is it? I have seen that develop on hard green fruit. The only other thing I can think of is sun scald if you have had a hot day....
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Jimmy says...
Its locusts/grass hoppers. Only a couple can do that overnight.

Not real easy to control.
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amanda says...
Thanks guys - really appreciate the feedback - I will have a look into these suggestions!

I don't think it is a fungus - but only because I can't see any spores forming..? Time may tell there.

A burn is quite possible Lorna - I have also sprayed the tree with corrective minerals recently...

Grasshoppers!? didn't even think of them! They are around now. So are the elephant weevils...

The peaches and nectarines are fine (so far)
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Jantina says...
Amanda, have you thought of getting guinea fowl? I know they can be noisy, but they are great pest control and don't scratch too much.
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amanda says...
Yes Jantina - next house tho' :) I don't think it's a bug eating it because the sister plum to the this one is 2m (by branch tips) away and at the same stage - it doesn't have any fruit on it like this..

In fact - nothing is getting eaten at all - anywhere in my orchard/garden..? I have just got loads of bean flys at present - that's it.
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Lorna says...
Hey Amanda,
The iron chelate can badly burn if not mixed to the exact dilution rate on the label, or sprayed on a hot sunny day. Was there iron in your corrective minerals? I assume that other trace elements would do the same if applied too strong or on a sunny day. I guess you get a few sunny days up there!!!
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amanda says...
Yea Lorna - it was iron chelate - but the leaves are not burnt..? It's only on the stalk end of the fruits and there are none with it on the lower half of the canopy.
I only ever foliar spray late evening and usually go for a weaker solution.
I try to avoid foliar spraying here - the sun is just so intense.

Time will tell I guess..if it keeps progressing then it's a "problem". Buggered if I know what it is! :(

These japanese plums have been really disspointing for me, in Geraldton. Very finicky.
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amanda says...
Could this bug do this kind of damage maybe?

There are the odd one's floating about...
(this pic from last year)
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Jason says...
That's just a normal Weevil thingy, we have them here too or a similar species, I've never seen them eating anything fresh, I think they just eat stuff in boxes/grains etc. But they stick to you good when they climb on your cloths/hair/anything :P
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Lorna says...
Hi Amanda,
If it is only the top of the bush that is effected, I cant help thinking that the foliar spray hit that point and pooled into the indentation that the stalk forms, causing the burn. It is only a gut feeling of course, because I have not seen them first hand. The fact that the bottom of the bush is not affected would back this up. Fingers crossed that this is the case, because it should not get any worse, whereas fungus tends to keep going.
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amanda says...
Hi Lorna - yes - I still can't imagine it being a bug. I have been checking the progress of these trees every day...and those spots were instantly brown like that.
We had 32 and 33 degree days immediately proceeding the morning I found these, and very dry n windy.

I am going to cut open a few healthy ones and check them out - maybe it's coming from the inside out and why it was so sudden. Also there is not as much foliage on the top of the tree to protect the fruit. Windy climates tend to do that to your canopy! :(

I never knew this - but stone fruit can get "burnt" around the kernal ("Pit Burn") when the temps are too hot??

Funny though - I was thinking the exact same thing about the spray pooling too :)
Sigh...why can't I just have "regular" problems....
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allybanana says...
If you look closely at the fruit on the left it definatly looks chewed some skin and some flesh removed. If its a burn the skin remains intact and the flesh looks sunken under. Snout beetles (Curculionidae) eat veg, but but i would go with jimmys locusts idea, do you have them around there.
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amanda says...
Hi allybanana, no - no locusts etc around....not that it may not be that - I just think I would know if it was.

I have never seen anything like this.

Chewed tissue doesn't harden and brown off like that overnight.

I do get various weevils but they are leaf eaters and it's quite distinctive - they "notch" the edges of the leaves.

I am putting this one in the too hard basket for now.

I do have this pic from the other plum from today though...and I am thinking either a boron deficiency - or an interruption of the supply of boron (and maybe calcium) due to the unfavourable weather.

It was 36 oC the other day...hottest Sept day on record. Way too warm for the beginning of spring.

Any thoughts out there on this one maybe?
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amanda says...
OMG!! Look what I just found (see item 43. Sunburn...

and yes - it's a Gulf ruby plum tree!

Enlightenment at last!

http://era.deedi.qld.gov.au/1661/6/5prob-lcstone.pdf

ps - it's a 891 kB download though. But - it's a great site.
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Jason says...
36c serious!, we still haven't had a day over 20c yet
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Brendan says...
Same here Jason in Mky, we've had 26ºC last week and it's 24ºC now :-)
No wonder Amanda in WA has fruit tree problems :-(

(btw, to get the º symbol, hold down the Alt key and type in the numeric pad on the right of the keyboard, 4 2 3. And to get the ½ symbol, it's Alt again, then 9 3 9 :-) (¼ is Alt, 9 4 0)
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amanda says...
Nice cool 24ºC 2day. But yes - I think the weather and these particular varieties of plums is the major problem.
It is masking an underlying problem that I may never understand (or causing it)

Last year the fruit started colouring prematurely and it seems to be happening again. Then there is abscission (fruit stalk intact). I will try some boron 2morrow and if it works - will post the result.
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Jason says...
It's a interesting thing because while we do get days well into the 40c+ range it's only later in the year when the plums are near full size and coloured. They do get burnt but it just heals again with a kind of brown crustier side to the fruit so it's not problem, still fine to eat that part.

Sometimes we get a 40c day on plum ripening day and to pick a plum straight off the tree and have it so warm (the fruit must get to 60c I'd say at times) it feels like you are eating stewed plum or plum pie is quite the treat :!)

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amanda says...
Hi Jason, I don't think "one size fits all" is the case sometimes....the site above mentioned that Gulf ruby plums are very susceptible to sunburn - and my tree with the fruit above is a Gulf ruby...
It could be that this plum and/or it's rootstock are not well suited to my sand and the climate - my gut feeling is that it also had something to do with the soil still being a bit cold.

Many trees have trouble drawing nutrients and water out of the soil when it's still cold - hence they get the wilts very easy on a warm spring day.

It's getting warm again next week - so I am going to give "Drought Shield" a go...
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Brad says...
Sorry Jason...
Wednesday Sunny. Min 11 Max 28
Thursday Sunny. Min 15 Max 30
Friday Sunny. Min 15 Max 31
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Jason says...
Hey Brad since I wrote that it's been just over 20c everyday :) so every thing is starting to get going now, Should have the first new leaf of the season on the bananas fully open next week
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amanda says...
Crikey! Is that a cold front headed our way this weekend??!! It's 30 knot plus winds now...and I watered my fruit trees yesterday.

When the watering was finished the Bunnings Moisture meter read on the border of Moist/Wet.

I checked them again this morning and it was already on the border of Moist/Dry. What can u do? (any suggestions welcomed!) :)
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Brad says...
move to albany
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amanda says...
Brad - are u still in Como? I am dreaming of our move...I promise I will never whinge about the cold....so much better than being stuck inside in aircon all day...
Make it so... :)
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Brad says...
9 days to go. i presume i'll lose home broadband for a few days
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Brendan says...
I've heard it said before, that Bundaberg in Qld, has the 'best' climate in Australia, for gardening/fruit trees etc.

That should stir some people up :-)
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Brad says...
I reckon it would be somewhere with enough rain heat and chill to grow more varieties. And decent soil.
Heck for Amanda losing any of gutless soil, no rain and dry salty wind would help
Every time I see happy earth and John mc photos i think they've got it good

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Jason says...
Brendan plenty of people say South West Victoria is the best too, but I think they are all deluded, the Adelaide hills being able to grow a Mango and sweet Cherry 5 meters apart both fruiting well. That's the Ultimate climate. South Eastern NSW is also right up there :)
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amanda says...
Can anyone help me with a rough idea of the ID of this wattle(?) please?

I got two of them at a fete 2yrs ago to see how they would go as a nitrogen fixing mulch-tree.

They have sort of been in quarantine to see if they would become a weed problem for me - but I have had none of the seeds take in 2yrs?

Now I guess I should make sure what they are....?
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Julie says...
amanda, I'm pretty sure that's an Albizzia, not a wattle. I don't think they become a weed problem.
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amanda says...
Oh - I can't find an Albizzia flower like this? I am reasonably sure it's a wattle - it's got that smooth bark etc.
I was thinking a black wattle maybe?

The reason I wanted to know is because there are invasive wattles now having to be removed from bush near here...I would feel a bit bad if I let these guys "go" ? The seeds are quite tough even though it's too dry maybe for them to germinate.
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amanda says...
OK - think I have found it - a Leucaena?
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Julie says...
What colour are the flowers amanda? Albizzia have pink flowers.
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amanda says...
Hi Julie - the flowers are yellow. I did lots of image googling and am happy it's a leucaena - it's also ok here as it's too dry for it to run away from me - it's also an ideal N2 fixer-plant for chop n drop :) The small leaflets should break down a bit easier than my big local acacia's.
I am very happy!
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Lorna says...
If that is a Leucaena, I have been had! I bought seed years ago and got them going, and the leaves don't look like that. They are a compound leaf, but different arrangement and finish. I have moved house since, but can go back and take a photo to post, IF they have not pulled it out!
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amanda says...
Woops! Google: Leucaena images

(and Leucaena leucocephala images also - which I reckon mine is..)
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Charles cant spell says...
You probable got the from Julie Firth ? Drylands Permaculture Gero ? She sells the seeds and plants. By the way, if you want to germinate the seeds you need to knick the edge as they are very well sealed and might take months/years to germinate otherwise, even after boiling.
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amanda says...
Thanks CCS. they were "anonymous" plants - can get all sorts of weird stuff at fetes!? I made the mistake of buying a "mother of millions" at one .. once.. :(
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amanda says...
Hey Jimmy (or anyone?) what does it mean when the plum graft grows bigger than the rootstock? (if anything?)

I was reading some stuff about "brown ring" or such with incompatible graft and scion woods - and I have noticed for awhile now that the gulf ruby plum tree is starting to bulge over the rootstock (this is the plum tree I am having the problems with)

Is it significant at all do u think?
Thanks.
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Jimmy says...
probly not, it is more usual the other way round.

The only way to tell an incompatible graft is to peel the bark back over a section of the joint and look.

making sure you don;t go the whole way around and ring bark it.
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amanda says...
On Tues my crop of plums was perfect and after 38oC on Wed - this is what they looked like yesterday!

Fruit like this mostly on the north side of the tree. Definitely sunburn.

I guess that means that some Japanese plums may not be a good choice for climates that get too hot before the fruit has a chance to ripen. :-(((
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Jason says...
Yep thats what happens to our plums when it hits 40c, buuut when it hits 40c here it's usually time for them to be ripe anyway so you just eat stewed plum straight from the tree. I can see it being a problem if it happens when they are only half grown!:).

When it does happen early to us the fruit stay on the tree and heal, it just adds a little bit of extra crunch to the final product so no big deal. Did you pick those off or did they fall?. If you picked them off then don't do that, if they are still on the tree they will sort themselves out and keep growing. They will just have a suntan
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Portland
5th November 2010 6:49pm
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amanda says...
Thanks Jason! I should have chosen much earlier varieties of fruit for a hot semi-arid zone. Ah well - u live and learn!

I would put shade cloth over the tree - but with the winds we are getting now it would end up in the paddock next door!
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Jason says...
My Father keeps all his stone fruit trees very dense to keep the sunburn off them. Seems to work a fair bit. The open up the tree to let them ripen theory doesn't work so well in Southern Australia :p
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Portland
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amanda says...
Yes I agree with you there jason! I try to prune to protect the bark and fruit also - fungal problems not such an issue when you have these climates.

I also don't raise the canopy so high - to help keep the soil around the tree shadier and cooler.

Here is a pic of my experiment with 90% shade cloth mulch! There is of course some mulch under this - but I can't use lots like u can in a wetter climate - it soaks up too much water and aggravates soil repellancy. It is definitely stopping the soil below from becoming re-repellant (after treatment) and keeps the weeds away too! :)

There are also worms working closer to the soil surface under the cloth treated trees. The soil is cooler and stays moister for longer. Time will tell I guess!
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amanda19
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Julie says...
Jason, this is the same reason I don't think espaliered trees are a good idea in our hot climate. I know they save space, but the fruit is very exposed to the sun. Good for cooler climates, but not here.
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Roleystone WA
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Brad says...
or you let a mulberry grow over them... just kidding, but I'm losing two citrus trees under one and the light under the canopy is pretty cool
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6th November 2010 12:11am
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amanda says...
Jason - you were right! the sunburnt fruit still ok. The skin very bitter (?) so we bite off a section and just suck out the lovely sweet insides.
I got one that was overripe and warm in the sun and it was just like having a stewed plum (but without all the hassle of making them) :))))
6yr old reckons they "taste like lollies" so must be good eh.
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10th November 2010 10:06pm
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Jason says...
hahah cool, but how is it possible you have ripe plums at this time of year?!
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Brendan says...
Believe it or not Jason, I had a beautiful big ripe nectarine off my tree last week, only problem, it was the one and only. 'Should' be better next year :-)
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amanda says...
It's the weather Jason. The earliest stone fruit in WA come from Carnarvon (in shops for around 2-3 weeks already now), then Geraldton, then Gin Gin and so on, down the line to the south west. Makes for a fantastically long grape season! :)
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Charles cant spell says...
Yes my early nectraine is has been ripening (i have been harvesting) for the last week in Perth. The dual graft peaches on the other half though are no where near ready.

But yes freaky weather and very early flowering has made for very early small stine fruit at my place. Still damn tasty though.
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Perth Innaloo
14th November 2010 11:10pm
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amanda says...
Is this a type of nettle guys? It's a prickly to touch and I have never seen it b4..?
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20th October 2011 9:38pm
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Nick says...
Id say its a nettle- the green flowers, toothed leaves and the stem appear like a nettle?
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21st October 2011 1:12pm
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Nick says...
Possibly Urtica urens?
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snottiegobble says...
99% sure Nick is right Amanda but i didnt think nettles would grow so far north. I had heaps in Vic. they make a nutritious herbal tea & soup as well!
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Bunbury/Busso (smackin the middle)
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amanda says...
Thanks guys! I was hoping it was this as I have heard it makes great tea for the plants too!? :) It must have come in/on a bird..cos I haven't seen it growing on my block b4..? Anyway it seems quite happy growing under my apricot tree - maybe that why SG..it's shady and moist there.

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amanda says...
Thanks guys! I was hoping it was this as I have heard it makes great tea for the plants too!? :) It must have come in/on a bird..cos I haven't seen it growing on my block b4..? Anyway it seems quite happy growing under my apricot tree - maybe that why SG..it's shady and moist there.

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amanda says...
Hey...can't find a barcode anywhere on this plant...what is it guys?
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9th February 2012 12:53am
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Rowan says...
Are the leaves soft and furry? if they are it would be yacon.
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Casterton, Vic
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John Mc says...
It looks like Jerusalem artichoke
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amanda says...
Thanks guys - yes the leaves are furry.
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snottiegobble says...
Yes John Mc,I agree, its a J.A with balls! Watch it Amanda they can take over cos you never quite get all the tubers out!
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MaryT says...
Ummm I'm not sure it's J.A.; my place is overrun with those triffids at the moment and Amanda's specimen does not remind me of it though they look somewhat similar. In any case I would say it's a weed.
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snottiegobble says...
If that is the case Amanda, it may be a sapling from out of your compost that could be a tropical fruit tree. Wouldnt throw it away just pot it up to be sure!
Have you eaten any unusual off property fruit since winter?
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amanda says...
It's actually not mine :) A friend on FB is torturing us with a "guess what it is"? comp...I thought I might cheat and ask u guys! lol... ;)

It does produce tubers tho.
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John Mc says...
It's related to the sunflower, you will see little sunflowers come out on top when mature at 2m +

Watch it, it's now a weed at my place, keeps comming up everywhere.
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MaryT says...
Thanks John Mc; I will watch out for the flowers and give it a beheading asa they appear. I like sunflowers though so maybe they can go in a vase :)
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