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i want to know where to buy one of these trees or the seeds to grow some if possible , i live in the mountains just outside of melbourne, my son has neurofibromatosis which is a disorder with a high chance of growing tumors , i heard this is a good cancer plant buying an established tree would be better so i dont have to wait as long to give him the fruit, can someone help thanks
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HappyEarth says...
Hi Sonia, The soursop is a tropical fruit tree and without a temperature controlled greenhouse Id doubt you ever get it to fruit in Melbourne. Your best option would be to get your green grocer to get them in for you. Alternatively, you can sometime buy them canned or as a drink at an asian store.

Hope this helps,

Rich
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
The Footscray market sells them, some of the Asian grocers have the fruit for sale when they're in season. You might find them in Victoria St, Abbotsford as well but I've never seen them there.
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Michael says...
I'm trying to grow a grafted plant bought from Daley's in a large pot .I'm located in Sydney and I've been told that it won't fruit in my climate but I'm going to give it a go anyway. It's looking really good at the moment and survived one Sydney winter already with some really hard work TLC.
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sonia says...
im with you michael , im going to try my hardest to grow them here in my hothouse ,and thanks phil i shall try the footscray market in the mean time
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Rev says...
They are very common here in Townsville

i never noticed them much but since i had a really good drink from the pulp, a cheesecake and icecream, im a big fan now!

they are a tidy erect tree 4-5 metres or sotaller than wide
they bear off the main and lateral branches (Cauliflory)

some fruits are bitter, the better eating ones are not
as usual i plant all my pips from especially good fruit

it seems to just love this monsoon tropical climate anyway
the trees i see are not cared for as fruit trees, they are just forgotten garden trees
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speedy says...
Seeds can be crushed (or powdered if you've got the muscle) and used as an incecticide
by adding it to vege and other seeds when storing them.
An appropriate tech approach to prevent insects destroying your seeds.
No 'Big Chema' needed ... ;-)
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Rev says...
seems like most annona are like that

plain old custard apple seeds soaked in an oil make a nit killing insecticide too

and i saw on a bush tucker programme that aboriginals in arnhem land use the inner bark of an annona for tooth ache relief
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sonia says...
hi rev any chance i could buy some dried leaves of the graviola[sour sop} tree off you id pay for the postage and trouble ,, i have got a few little plants going in my hothouse but have only just started with them ,, i want to start my son on the tea from the leaves to hiopefully help his recent diagnosis of a brain tumor ,, thanks for your time sonia
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Freda says...
I am interested in getting some info on how to get a small soursop plant (they are NOT the same as Custard Apple, even though same family) or even the tinned fruit or juice. Please reply.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Most Asian greengrocers sell the tinned fruit and juice, if you are in the city try Chinatown. Fresh fruit are in the markets when in season
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Rev says...
Hi Sonia

sure i dont see why not
I tried the tea myself the other day from the leaf
its not bad, nice mouthfeel
better when i added in some Tulsi and ginger

They are pretty common trees, but mainly overhanging footpaths or what not, still plenty for the taking, ill ask the owners if they mind

how much do you need?
ill see what half a shopping bag fresh dries down to
i read 2g twice a day? something like that - on raintree.com

im of no doubt at all that it is the real deal. ive tasted the fruit off some

theres some reports of toxicity, but i believe thats from internal use of the seeds not the leaf. makes sense - plants love frugivores but are antagonistic to seed predators

I also have many seedling of this tree coming up from good quality fruits if people want to add it
just bookmark
www.tropicalfoodforest.com and check later under 'fruits'. maybe 3 months + though to get them hardened




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Rev says...
Ive read the mountain soursop is more cold hardy

Annona montana

i know where one is further south
Its not bad for a wild fruit, kind of pineapply flavour
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sonia says...
hay rev that would be really fantastic of you , just tell me how much for your trouble and postage etc my address is P.O. Box 96 Cockatoo 3781 victoria thanks from the bottom of my heart let me know if theres anything i can do for you down this way
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sonia says...
hay rev would be interested in some seeds from the mountain soursop might have a bit more luck with it down here ,, wonder where to get some ??
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amanda says...
Sonia - I really hope you can get something happening here - have u tried contacting Daleys directly? maybe they have some contacts or such. Your cause surely worthy.
Keep trying sonia - we have a devoted buying/selling paper called 'The Quokka' in WA. Maybe there is one for NSW/QLD - where these fruit grow - and u get a reliable contact?
Fingers crossed.
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trikus says...
Here is a Mountain soursop fruit growing near Innisfail . Large mature tree with many fruits .
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rev says...
alright Sonia
ill get you some leaves and send em down
you can reimburse me for postage, ill put details in the pack
give me a week or so...

Hey Trikus, if you've got seeds of that baby im keen. i want to try it out in a place where they get regular -3c. Cherimoyas wont take it, but only just - i want to test the claims of A montanas montaneness!
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liza says...
hi trikus,
thanks for posting the soursop pic..may i know where the exact location pls? i need it for an aunt who is recently diagnosed with cancer.

Thank you!
Lizaz
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trikus says...
17 d 36' 58" 38 S
146 d 04'12" 55 E
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Shermyds says...
Hello .. i was wondering if anyone could please help me get this graviola leaves (Soursop).
My husband has jz gone thru surgery (liver cancer) and was advised that this leaves are quite good.. I was hoping that before he goes for his chemo (in 3 weeks time), I will get him to try this..

Please let me know how much postage and handling.. thank you
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Ellen says...
Shermyds

I can give you a few from my 2 trees (as the leaves are renewing itself. As my trees are still very small.
Contact me on my email

emmanuel19972000@yahoo.com.au
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Ellen says...
But also for those who is dealing with cancer, you can also consume the fruits as a dessert drinks (shakes) or cooked in soup)

the leaves is just double the portion of potency.

God blesses
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
The local Asian grocery sells 35% soursop juice in a can for about $2.50, very refreshing as well as the added health benefits. I'm sure you could buy them by the pallet load for a good price.
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kert says...
Go easy on the soursop. There is a well described neurological syndrome associated with long term ,heavy ingestion. You can easily verify this .
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micarle says...
Phil, for a second i thought that was a six pack of soursop stubbies!!! YUM
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Wayne says...
And I went to great pains to get rid of our Soursop tree, what a hardy tree they are
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Shermyds says...
Hi Ellen
I tried sending an email to emmanuel19972000@yahoo.com.au but I just receive an email that it doesn't exist.
My email address is mhydze@gmail.com

I appreciate ur help Ellen.. Thank u in advance.
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snottiegobble says...
Kert you must be in the medical field because you show a distinct negative response to everything that is not prescribed.
Sonia, while you are searching for soursop make sure your son gets turmeric, ginger,licorice root, asparagus, & Herb Robert leaves on a regular basis.
Keep him away from all chemicals & try to give him organics & pure water where possible' The natural anti-inflammatories that are present in the pericarp of the mangosteen fruit are known to assist in the shrinking of some tumors. Please go to the Public medical Directory www.pubmed.com & research all these botanicals mentioned. If you want more info re. the mangosteen juice let me know & I can put you onto a supplier in Melb. Good Luck!
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help please says...
I am hoping that someone can help me, my husaband has been diagnosed with liver cancer recently and in undergoing chemo treatment and I have been able to source the fruit and puree and juice and I am looking for some Soursop leaves so I can make him some tea which I have heard is also very good for treating cancer. If anyone can help me please let me know or even if you can point me in the eight direction I would really appreciate it. Thanking you in advance. Janelle
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Janelle there are Soursop extract capsules available if you can't find the fresh leaf - try the link below. All the best, Phil.

http://www.rain-tree.com/graviolacaps.htm
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help please says...
Thank-You for that info Phil will look into that alternative if I have no luck.
Ta, Janelle
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sonia says...
hi thanks snottie gobble {love your name} i appreciate all of the info for my boy , i do have him on a strict organic diet and we have distilled water , and have just started to add tumeric and ginger into as much as possible but will research on the mangosteen , thanks for everyones advice my little man is doing ok ,, last scan stable tumour so i just know the diet and supplements is working Sonia :)
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Wayne says...
God bless your little man Sonia, we can only pray that he keeps improving
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David says...
I have two trees growing in my backyard ,is this any help,both now have lots of new growth on them.
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Kerry says...
You can get the powdered leaves online from Herb Wholesalers.com.au
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Kerry says...
I should have added a bit more to the previous message, such as we have been harvesting the leaves on farms around mareeba about every August as the Sour Sop drops all its leaves about then, I then dry the leaves in an old chest freezer with a 240v x 60w globe and when dry place into an Oscar and cut down to tea leaf size and then make tea at the same formula as tea leaves,have been doing this for years and so far considering that I am now 71 with no cancers and prostrate problems and we still have a drink and a smoke, and for those with Cancer Graviola I think is terrific, but for a quick kill I would suggest you look up intravenous Vitamin C for cancer and Hydrogen Peroxide for cancer.

Best wishes to all.

Kerry
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michelle says...
Hi David, can i get some leaves from our soursop tree? my mom has diabetic and my relatives said soursop leaves very good, my mom tried it several times, and it's very very good, so hopefully i can get the leaves for my mom in here, or anyone can help? thanks
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Ned says...
Just don't let Kert see what you're up to....
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amanda says...
LOL! love it :)))
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genevieve says...
Experience with level 3 melanomia....
Minor surgery then sourced my own next level treatment ....... which included essiac tea and herb robert tea ..... CT Scan showing clear !?!?!?!?
Am not complacent and will be looking out for soursop to add to my 'arsenal' as well. Thanks
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Faith says...
Hi all I live nere Brisbane does anyone know were I can buy the fruit down here thanks Faith
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Poppy says...
Hi all,

Looks like I am in the right place where I can find help in getting some fresh Graviola/ Soursop leaves for my Dad who has been recently diagnosed with aggressive form of prostate cancer....I am desperately looking for someone to tell me where I can get them for him because it has been known to work wonders with respect to killing cancer cells....Growing the tree would not be an option because I am renting a unit in Sydney. I would be truly grateful if anyone of you could suggest something. Many thanks!!
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Michael says...
Hi Poppy,

If you live near a Vietnamese/Chinese grocery store than you could try buying soursop powder in tea bag satchels .Just add water ,stir and drink.Also how many leaves do you need ? I have a small tree in a large pot which will loose it's leaves over winter so I cut the leaves off for you but there won't be that much .
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Miranda says...
Hi Michael
how old is your tree? has it produced fruit yet? It will be nice to know if anyone growing soursop successfully in Sydney
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John Mc says...
Hey Poppy,
This oufit in far north Queensland will sell you as much as you want:

http://www.capetrib.com.au/

Scroll down the left hand side and you will see the order form.

SEMI-DRIED SOURSOP LEAVES
0.5kg @$20, plus a regular postage charge of $6.00
1kg @ $40 plus regular postage charge of $10.30
2kg@ $80 plus regular postage charge of $10.30

I hope it's of some assistance, good luck.
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Michael says...
Hi Miranda,
My tree is only two years old so no fruit yet but it's growing really well being almost 2 metres tall . I have it in a very large pot which I have to move into my garage through out winter as it's very frost sensitive. I was told that you can't grow this tree in Sydney and forget about getting it to fruit but I like trying to push the boundaries . I was told sapodilla can't be grown in Sydney but yet my two year old small tree is currently in fruit which is really exciting.
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John Mc says...
Yes, I lost a small Soursop tree (seedling) last winter but we also had the coldest day in 60 odd years here. I have since bought two more, one seedling and one grafted and planted them further up the hill, hopefully away from colder parts of the block. Here's hoping, fingers crossed.
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Michael says...
Hi John,

I couldn't resist myself and got a tropic sun custard apple mainly influenced by your visit to the Canley Vale nursery. My wife have banned me from that place :>
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John Mc says...
My wife doesn't even know I went there. I'm going to try and talk her into going to Cabramatta one day. I loved the atmosphere of the place. I felt like I was in another country.
You can probably guess I don't get out of my local area much.
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Miranda says...
Hi Michael and John Mc
I love the longan and lychee trees in that nursery. hope your soursop will fruit soon. Yes, I was told that sapodilla would not fruit in Sydney long before I bought my one. My sapodilla has been flowering all year round for five years, but I never seen any pollen or fruit, and flowers never fully open. There were a big bloom in Feb, but all flowers dried out and fell off the tree. I was so disappointed and decided to do something different: I spread some dolomite lime, super phosphate, sulphate of potash to the pot, and spray foliage with seasol every few days. Last week, It was a thrill to see a few fully open flowers with so many pollens inside. fingers crossed, they will develop into fruits.
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John Mc says...
Yes I'm just north of Sydney, on the Central Coast. There's a nice 4yo seedling Sapodilla tree fruiting very well not too far from me.
It inspired me to buy a couple of grafted trees, as well as the three young seedling trees I already have.
I just love the taste of the Sapodilla fruit.
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Jason says...
Sapodilla should be able to be grown anywhere you can grow mango, so that puts it Sydney-Adelaide-Perth no problem, inner Melbourne is getting really close to being warm enough to grow that stuff now too, just a few more years worth of concrete maybe. I'll agree sapodilla is one of the few not so common sub tropical fruit that are actually worth eating, pretty good actually :)
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Miranda says...
my new order from daleys just arrived yesterday. 2 cherimoya and 1 sapodilla - sawo manila. Hope this sawo manila will set fruit much sooner than my five year old Prolific.
I love mountain soursop too, but can never find it in any nursery. This has been on my wishlist for a long long time.
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Poppy says...
Hey Michael,

Thank you so much for wanting to help. Since I would be needing at least 1 kg to send them over to my Dad who lives in US, I will try and order the semi-dried leaves from the contact which John Mc has mentioned. I am truly grateful for offering to help. May your tree grow really well....all the best for that.

Regards,
Poppy
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Poppy says...
Hey John Mc,

Cannot thank you enough for providing me with the web-link. I will contact them right away and order a good quantity to post them to my Dad in US. All the best for you Soursop tree....Many thanks!

Regards
Poppy
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Angela D says...
Hi John MC, would you sell to me some of your sour sop tea leaves please ?

Hi all,
I live in Sydney. Could anyone tell me where I could find Sour Sop leaves in Sydney ? I would love to buy some. My sister had cancer for the second time. I hope i could find the leaves for her soon.

thank you
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Hi John,

The price is double now on their web site.

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Julian says...
Hi all,
This guys sell SOURSOP PULP and ICE CREAMS.

www.cheekyfruits.com

There is also Australia Wide delivery!! the fruit is frozen and taste terrific!!

Write them about the leaves too!!

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Monica says...
we have a fresh tropical graviola / soursop leaves ...
we hope to help fulfill the wishes
and get what you need
we are able to delivery overseas also
please contact to: monique168cute@yahoo.com
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Mike says...
I have heard loose talk in gardening circles about a single genuine excellent quality fibreless soursop tree is in someones garden.It is not that Cuban fibreless imposter either but the real deal.With a little luck I'll be able to get some seeds.
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David says...
Luck is on your side Mike ,go for it.
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ravi shankar says...
we supply Soursop Leaves with stems to your place anywhere in India. Just Call: 09959920555 (Hyderabad cell.no)
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Navin says...
Hi Sonia, were you able to obtain soursop leaves, I also live in Victoria, and seeking this for my wife with cancer
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Samara says...
Hi David,

I am desperately looking for the graviola tree or the fruit. (for cancer fighting properties)

Could you please tell me where I could get the tree,fruit & leaves (anything really) from?

Really appreciate any information.
I live in Brisbane and these are my contact details:
Mobile 0423787666
Email: samara.abraham@hotmail.com

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snottiegobble says...
Samara, while you are chasing the graviola make sure that powdered turmeric & ginger are included in the diet 2 times a day!Hard to believe but a sprinkling really is nice on a bowl of cut up fruit. If you have access to fresh mangosteens & can process them skin & all (pericarp) you have another string to your cancer fighting bow! Asparagus in any form including tinned is known to have cancer fighting properties too! Best wishes!
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David says...
Hi Samara where in Brisbane do you live
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David says...
Hi Mike , how did you go with the soursop im told the fibreless fruit carry this trait even in the seeds so comes true to type, is this true
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Mike says...
David no luck yet but I know someone who grows them commercially who is going to get scion material and graft some.I'd be happy with a few seeds but I have no sense of whether I can get any yet but should at some time in the future at the least.
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David says...
Mike ,an octopus has 8 arms, how do you manage to get so many tentacles out there ,at the same time, your amazing.
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Mike says...
David,not amazing,but I am plugged into a few friendly networks with work,sport,academia,conservation etc and people know to keep an eye out on my behalf.It seems there is rare stuff in people's back yards but they are not in touch with other plant folk.The might have got the plants online or have a freak seedling.When social octopi connect they can get good community penetration.That being said horticulturally inclined people moving in similar circles seem to have more variety of good fruits,herbs and vegies.
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MaryT says...
Mike and David, this site has become a good national community!

As to soursop for cancer; today I received an email about lemon for cancer. Sigh. I have an incurable cancer and other medical complications and everyday I receive good intentioned advice about all sorts of remedy. The thing is, if I start chasing all these cures I won't have time to live my life.

Yes, if soursop is a yummy thing and I have it at hand I would try it but lemons are looking more attractive as I already have two trees of them :)

Some say try ginger well I love ginger so I have decided to believe that lol but I won't drink raw liver pulverised in a blender if it makes me live forever. Anyway I don't want to live forever. :)
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Mike says...
Mary T you are right about the forum being a community.Not being bound by topic headings or just dry and crusty information exchanges brings a human element to it.Thank you for sharing your situation in such an open forum.I have had friends in similar circumstances and know that it's not easy to even raise it or for people to know how to respond.Good luck with your fight and I hope the odds can turn in your favour.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
According to this link about health risk of soursop:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soursop

Research carried out in the Caribbean has suggested a connection between consumption of soursop and atypical forms of Parkinson's disease due to the very high concentration of annonacin.[4][5][6][7]

I think we just have to eat everything in moderation and take care MaryT and everyone.
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A blessing on all of you
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MaryT says...
Thanks Jujube for the warning about an overdose of soursop. I agree that moderation is the key.

This morning I ate a yellow cherry guava , a black genoa fig and dug up a great knob of young pink ginger (will stir fry with sliced beef - heaven).

Thanks Mike for providing more variety to my food garden and thanks David for your blessing. It's good to receive goodwill.
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snottiegobble says...
I am very sorry to hear of your challenge MaryT & hope that you will choose to embrace many of these wonderful cancer fighters that Mother Nature has provided. The internet & Google provide us with so much info these days unlike our parents who totally depended on their GP! I am sure I can say for all forum users that we are all barracking for you! Dont forget the Turmeric, it really is something!
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snottiegobble says...
MaryT, Interesting stuff for you & everyone who have cancer affecting their lives ( & who doesnt?)on
www.turmericcancer.org/ + whats below!

Several breast tumor cell lines, "including hormone-dependent and -independent and multidrug-resistant (MDR) lines," respond to antiproliferative effects of curcumin. Aggarwal et al examined cell lines "including the MDR-positive ones," and found they were all "highly sensitive to curcumin. The growth inhibitory effect of curcumin was time- and dose-dependent.... Overall our results suggest that curcumin is a potent antiproliferative agent for breast tumor cells and may have potential as an anticancer agent." (Anticancer Drugs. 1997 Jun;8(5):470-81). Other laboratories offer varying explanations but confirm the activity level of curcumin against breast , prostate and other cancers. See e.g., Ramachandran C, 1999; Hidaka H, Japan, 2002(Miami human pancreatic cells lines); Elattar TM, University of Missouri-Kansas City, 2000(oral cancer cell-line).
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MaryT says...
Thanks SG - I love turmeric and Mike's given me one with a rich colour 'cause mine's a little anaemic :) and lots of other 'gingers'.
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Mike says...
Mary T I am loaded with the strong tumeric and the Curcuma xanthorhiza if you want lots of it.The golden tumeric is not as goodI think.

I have been out in the garden harvesting today and have a good assortment.I am trying to crack the 1kg mark for a sugar apple and 1 or 2 have come close.
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1kg for a Sugar apple? That's nice! Mine is overdue for mulching, it is growing famously and it and the Soursop are 3 x as leafy as any I've seen, but flowers are scant and fruit just isnt an option. :(
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Mike says...
BJ my 2 are really productive and the fruit average about 450g but some are way bigger with a 920g whopper today.Soon as the season is over I will hack them right back and fertilize them heaps, but light in the N.In the other thread I mentioned I secured a few seeds of the red atemoya.Did the chempas pull through ICU?
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MaryT says...
Would a 1kg fruit be a record, Mike? Is bigger better?

Yes, please. I am sending you a post bag for some Curcuma xanthorhiza; the bits you sent were planted and they're sprouting but I'd like some to use :) The extra strong turmeric is the slowest to grow, just showing green tips and not bursting forth. I will put in the parcel a couple of chillies from my neighbour's tree. A curiosity. She was given the tree but she's given it to me to care for.

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Mike says...
Mary T,I am the king of bags (of all types) and my place looks like a chilli carnival.I saw the tailed chilli but I have many new varieties to try to squeeze in already.The imbalance in past trade can only be partly corrected by me sending you a parcel and one without rotting fruit.
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MaryT says...
Too late; Mike. I've just sealed the parcel :) It's a thank you for the fruit that didn't rot. They were great. A chilli carnival; how wonderful.
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Mike says...
Mary T you are way too generous and you already sent an excellent thank you package.I had better improve the haul for you in the next parcel and come up with good stuff this time.If the mekongs greens survived they are also called ivy gourd.
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MaryT says...
No Mike; the mekong greens did not survive. Funny you should ask about one of the few that didn't. Also the papaya's gone. I think you forget how much you sent; my place is full of plants from you and I have not tried all the seeds yet. If you have seeds for that leafy perennial coriander I'd love some.
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Mike, the orange chempedeks are cracking the soil now. Still waiting on the yellows, but they all looked alright when they went into the ICU. A bit dry, but their colours were alright. The Z4 abiu's from the earlier package are up, as are the Amber Jaks and everything else. The mangosteen looks happy too, so that's a huge relief!
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BJ the yellow chemps seem to be slower but that is positive if most seeds and plants are doing alright.I have a 500g express bag that I wrote your address in permanent ink, before I swapped to the box.Do you have any specific requests?
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BJ says...
Checked again and all chempedek are pushing through, with one orange an inch up already. No real special requests. Anything nice you have laying around will be fine. Maybe an extra few pieces of sweet potato. Two of yours are powering along, but the other two I cant find. Thanks again.
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I urgently need soursop fruits or leaves.....where can i buy them?? can anyone help??
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BJ I have run out of tubers of the 2 good types but can have them in my hands next Friday.I think I remember what came your way already,but I have marangs,santols,miracle fruit,kaffirs,pepper and various herbs 'just lying around'.
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gs, sorry i cant help you, but get into turmeric as soon as poss. Every meal & make a cuppa out of it too! Half a tsp in a mug of boiling water every day! Google turmeric health benefits!
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juanita says...
I bought this soursop juice from the asian grocer for $1.05, but i still prefer the sweet-sour taste of the fresh fruit than the can juice
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Tahmina says...
Hello,
Can someone please help me, I am desperatly looking for graviola leafs/fruit anything really to help cancer killing purposes. My dad has been diagnosed with lung cancer and he cannot be offered any treatment because of other medical conditions. I herd about the graviola tree and how it helps kill cancer cells, I live in London, and I have not been able to find this anywhere. Hearing about the graviola tree has given me some hope! Can someone please tell me how I can purchase any of the graviola products?
My email address is tahmina_269@live.co.uk

Your help will be very much appreciated.
Thank you so much in advance.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Tahmina,

I am sorry to hear your dad condition. Please contact this farm and see if they can help you

http://www.capetrib.com.au/shop1.htm

Good luck to your dad.

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snottiegobble says...
Tahmina, I suggest that in the meantime you get as many antioxidants as you can to your father. Lots of green tea, turmeric tea, asparagus. ( fresh or tinned) cranesbill ( wild geranium) tea, & see if you can locate mangosteen juice which contains strongest natural anti-inflammatories. Xango is the best with lots of distributors in UK.( any probs tell me!) Meanwhile I just found graviola is available in tablet form from RAINTREE GRAVIOLA which appears to be in Aust. although imported from USA. ( Its 100% soursop). Best wishes!
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snottiegobble says...
What the hell are you talking about kert?
This poor person cannot use conventional medical means for treatment so we just let nature take its course do we?? What criminal activity is involved in finding something that may be 10,000 stronger than chemotherapy with all of its awful side effects ?? Thanks for deleting the Soursop link that upholds that theory.
Here it is again for those who may wish to follow it up.
In the meantime John/kert etc etc! keep your utterly selfish, dictatorial mug away from any natural medicine posts, because you obviously lack the brainpower to accept & understand alternatives!!


http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/fruit-extract-10000-times-better-chemo

A--H-- You can keep on deleting this link until youre blue in the face,& I will continue to repost it!



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Tahmina says...
Hi, thanks for your comments.
John- Sorry what is illegal?
Snottiegobble- thank you for your advice much appriciated.
Lucy- Thank you very much, will check it out.

Any other info will be very helpful.

Thank you everyone.
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The extent of the law as I understand it is that a non-medically qualified person cannot prescribe chemical preparations and/ or claim to be a certain cure and/or extract money for the services. People who have seen great results feel duty bound to offer a way with minimal risk and great hope to others that may come across their path. Many have witnessed people suffering from side-effects of medications and seen it releived by eating certain natural foods etc. I personally was told by a doctor and nurse that my medicine had caused severe damage to my kydneys and that there was nothing they could do for it. After some natural remedies the symptoms had reveresed and I have had good kidneys ever since. My friend has doctors coming to him for natural remedies for their family as they are reluctant to see the side effects in their family.
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sg is not 'treating' anyone, just passing on information. He is not being paid, so I can't see how the law applies.
The study (in the link) is from a site that is freely available to anyone, and run by a doctor, who doesn't charge for the information.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/fruit-extract-10000-times-better-chemo

Have you actually read it John?
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snottiegobble says...
Kim, thank you for introducing it! I read with interest the reports on Callisia fragrans & apart from it being a very attractive foliaged plant it obviously has many medical uses. Some Vietnamese people swear by it. To fight the big fight (or to avoid it completely) I would say add
this plant & its properties to your arsenal! Next question is will it grow in Southern states even in a basket??
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Hi SG, apparently they are extremely easy to grow and will do well in a basket - must keep off the ground if you don't want them spreading everywhere. :)
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BJ says...
just picked up a mountain soursop. They smell fantastic ripening. Like some sort of perfect pear nectar/cider. They smell is certainly tempting, but ultimately deceiving. I'll sit it on top of the fridge for a few more hours, then go at it for some seeds.
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What is the taste like BJ? Obviously not anything special by those comments lol
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snottiegobble says...
Julie`s post was deleted too with the GRAVIOLA link so here it is again. AND again, AND again as necessary!




http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/fruit-extract-10000-times-better-chemo





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kim says...
John - if you don't like what's being shared on this forum, i suggest you find another website to haunt? from what i see, most of use only have the best of intentions and are only trying to help to the best of our abilities.

Oh... i've only just noticed the "delete" option at the end of a post - maybe daley's can change it so that only the person posting or the moderator should have this option? just a suggestion....
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BJ says...
Prick deleted my post too. Oh well, i'll post lots of nice pictures of my mizuho and champagne loquats soon :)
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Julie says...
I have questioned the delete button before, but nothing done about it. This is the only forum I have visited that enables people to delete other's posts, and I don't think it is a good feature.

Seems John/kert likes to air his opinions, but doesn't believe anyone else should.
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Posts have been deleted at random across the board BJ, I do wonder if other forces are at play.
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BJ says...
I wouldn't think Daley's would have a problem with it, especially as a very quick look at their soursop page notes 'The leaves of the soursop are said to have many medicinal qualities see http://www.graviola.org/ '

Perhaps john should take up the good fight with the higher powers?
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BJ says...
Phil, to be honest the Mountain Soursop isnt that bad. It isnt rich and creamy like the regular one. Kinda dry, but has a subtle pear cider taste. Smell is great though and it is easy care and cold tolerant. Not many seeds. Seem to crop more heavily than most regular soursop. I can imagine a few people would like them, but with room for only one, I can only grow the seedless regular one.
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Mike says...
BJ there is a soursop tree I know that has spherical, hard fruit with stronger spines than usual.They are a litlle smaller than the regular ones.I haven't tried them and is that the form of mountain soursop fruit?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
k - I have a "Cuban fibreless" variety of soursop, it sailed through a frosty winter last year (deciduous) and looks better than ever, it's only about four feet tall tho.. I think it is an improved selection.
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Mike says...
Phil, cuban fibreless has been the standard good variety around here for a long time and might be the only named one around.They are no really fibreless and get to be a fairly tall but erect tree.Did anything happen with the sicana?
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BJ says...
Mountain Soursop I know of have smaller spines than usual. They go quite yellow when ripe. Heavy perfume. Size is around that of a normal soursop, but dont seem to get the occasional really big fruit.
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http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-04062010-001735/
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Mike says...
BJ it sounds like I had better lay my hands on one of those fruits and see if it passes muster and also get an ID on it.
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http://www.livestrong.com/article/517561-cancer-graviola-studies/
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. says...
The safest thing we can all do here is to simply direct people to where they can find what they are looking for...?

Daleys is likely skating on thin ice themselves...they provide this Forum...and therefore they are responsible for it....even if they would like to abrogate their responsibilities - it doesn't quite work that way these days...

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(No - not kert SG!?)
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it's ok...just be careful SG...ok? :) Not because it's illegal (which it is) ..but because people get their hopes up...and the results can be devastating (financially and emotionally) so it might be un-ethical. That's what bothers me the most....?

Does anyone know how much that "Miracle cure" for cancer costs - that they are offering in China?

And have u seen the ensuing emotional trauma when it doesn't work..? I have.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Mike my sicana didn't make it through last winter unfortunately.. it was covered in male and female flowers but it was towards the end of the growing season and they never developed. I had to show the remains of the vine to Jantina when she visited, she kindly gave me the seeds in the first place. They're not on the AQIS approved list so will have difficulty getting it again. :-(
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Mike says...
What a shame phil.I recall through the mists of the past that I said I could send some plants and seeds and listed what I had.In fact I haven't deliverd to all I said I would.Are you still in the market for a selection and is it alright for this time of the year?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Mike it is very generous of you to offer. I probably don't have anything you already don't have - I guess you only grow edibles. I have seed in of Chrysophyllum imperiale, an almost extinct majestical tree from Rio de Janiero if you're interested.. also from a kind forum member. But am always happy to receive a parcel, can send you an express bag if you like so it's prepaid postage.
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Mike says...
Phil,I didn't follow through in sending to all those who I should have and then let it slip.Jantina with the pineapple tops is another for whom I did not come up with the goods.If I round up an assortment of fruit seeds,herbs,tubers etc that are suitable for your neck of thge woods will that do? Don't worry about bags as I am the king of bags at the moment.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Great Mike, I'm going to Melbourne until April 12th so if you can wait a couple of weeks so they're not sitting around here that'd be a bonus. Have had some super surprise packages from the folks on this site, always happy to reciprocate if I can. As for the sicana, I have a friend in the US who may be able to get me some seed.. maybe he could label it as something else to get it through the mail
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Mike says...
Ok Phil that timing will be good.Do you have a preference for herbs,vegies,vines,tubers or fruit trees, or just see what you get? I will hold off with anything too tropical.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Yeah just a selection Mike - surprise me mate. Can't wait.
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Mike says...
It's a done deal and I'll get your email address when you're ready to receive.If you have corresponded with the same forum members as myself I may be able to get your address from them.I don't know about surprises but I have not had many complaints so far.
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MaryT says...
Phil, a parcel from Mike is seriously something to look forward to, and I have a garden full of his plants to prove it (thanks, Mike - hope you got mine).
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klokanovic says...
Hey folks..

I have a young soursop in a mini-greenhouse here in Melbourne...I just put it in as the weather is turning.

Do you think it will survive its first Melbourne winter?
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David says...
Mary ditto, all hats off to Mike for his continued dedication to supplying us with the goodies he sources. Klokanovic,Both my trees are now 4-5 mtrs tall,you picked a tree that will certainly challenge you to keep it alive let alone fruit. But im sure it can be done
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Amused says...
Hi klokanovic, Like David said, you can keep it alive and even fruit it. It will be a challenge and it is largely about the amount of trouble and expense you are willing to go to. A sheltered structure and a well draining soil will keep it growing. To fruit it you may need artificial heat / humidity, at least in the colder months. Reading the links of SG and others, You may be satisfied just growing the tree for its leaves. Good luck
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Mike says...
No package has arrived yet Mary and thanks to you and David for the kind words.I am with Amused on the soursop question, but think it won't ever produce a fruit in Melbourne.It might make a nice indoor plant but it may be stretched beyond its comfort zone too far.The cost/benefit ratio might take it into the red with trying to keep it going.
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David says...
Saw an episode of Gard Aust, some 6mnths ago told the story of a retired couple living in melbourne,specialised in growing cut flowers, now retired the family turned one greenhouse into a tropical greenhouse that the mother grew mango starfruit pawpaw etc so it can be done , even showed small mangoes growing on the branches, (no anthracnose there i think), so like mike said ,time and effort
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John Mc says...
I saw that episode too David. I was as surprised as you to see them growing. It was in a commercial flower farm under glass, so there could have been artificial heating. I am/have been planning to build a reasonably large poly tunnel for the same reason. It's getting closer.
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Mike says...
Well I stand corrected once again.
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John Mc says...
Not at all Mike, the cost/benefit analysis of keeping them alive would always be in the red.
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Amused says...
Mango is a different prospect completely . The heat of Melbourne suburbia will allow you to grow mango without difficulty. Once the tree is established it will fruit freely. The fruit will be generally smaller but of a MUCH better quality than that purchased from the supermarket.
To FRUIT a sowersop "may"... and I think will require artificial help.
previous posts suggest that a beneficial brew may be made from the leaves. I have no idea on this but if it benefits someone with cancer I believe that the tree will grow happily, if not fruiting, in a sheltered, protected position in Melbourne
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Jason says...
My understanding is that if mango flowers are exposed to less than 10deg C they will be sterilised
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Amused says...
Possibly Jason. I don't know. I would have thought by mid spring the danger of sub 10deg C temps in Melbourne would be past?. In any case flowering can be delayed by aborting the early flowers to avoid cool temps.
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BJ says...
Yep. Daley's did a video on it a while back. Where temps get low or too rainy during flowering, blooms can be pruned back early to delay the fruit set a little. Look up their YouTube channel and it should be on there.
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Jason says...
I did that exactly; cut back the flowers that were exposed to cold. But after a certain point which you don't know beforehand ,they won't come back.
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denise says...
When taking natural remedies avoid experimenting beyond what is known. Because if you take the seeds of soursop you could get very sick or die. Stick to the leaves. and dont take herbal remedies if you dont need to as they can be quite powerful. As for putting up a polyhouse in Melbourne, I recently built 2 plastic tunnelhouses and found a huge difference in prices for the 25mm uPVC pressure pipe used for the hoops. Bunnings wanted $89 per 6m hoop, but some non standard 5.8 m hoop on trademe were only $17 each- probably cheap asian imports.
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Time to lose 'that swearing photo' folks :-)

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How bout a picture of the fruit rather than a container of chemicals?
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gil says...
hi thre, can somebody please help me , i badly needed to grow a graviloa tree or sour sop with good breeding i mean good quality. i live in townsville but couldn't find any. i am willing to pay for postage and trouble please get back to me asap. i couldnt bring from philippines it wont allow in airport. this is what my mum use and proven effective. excellent drink for female it really helps. please reply
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trikus says...
No selections been made , as not really much variation in fruit if well grown . Cuban fibreless is a load of carp , rarely ever fruiting . Just plant seeds from any fruit , will bear in a few years here in the tropics .. btw , just found the fastest way to get to the bottom of these loaded threads , just hit reply and bang right down to the end . 2EZ
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Mike says...
trikus that is faster.I too have seen little variation in them.You may wish to ask Trina about a single genuine fibreless tree that she and Peter S are aware of and are seeking scion material.
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Liz says...
Re Sour sob tree.It is the leaves and bark that have medicinal healthy effects.
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Lizz says...
An intesting site is Cancer- the forbidden cures.
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VF says...
A question for anyone growing Soursop - how much soil moisture do they need/tolerate? In literature I've found answers almost contradictory - drier,sandy soil; moist but well drained; can tolerate brief flooding. Which is it, or is it very tolerant of all the above??? (I'm in the process of digging holes for spring planting, and would like to know what's beat.)
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snottiegobble says...
My cabinet maker mentioned that there is soursop tea available in Perth, quite expensive, but only a tiny pinch is needed for the brew! Anyone know where?
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Lizz says...
Sour Sob tea can be bought at The Good Store in Vic Park, however they are currently out of stock. I have two packets on order.
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snottiegobble says...
Thanks Lizz, I will order some myself!
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Heart says...
you may ask someone from Philippines to send you dried graviola leaves as an option. Philippines is growing this miracle fruit tree everywhere.
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Mike says...
Soursop enthusiasts I have heard that there are 2 outstanding varieties in the soursop world.A carefully bred african variety from Uganda and the esteemed Whitman fibreless.The cuban fibreless is not fibreless at all and pretty ordinary.The whitman fibreless was imported to Oz in the 1970's and then disappeared.Its progeny has resurfaced in Cairns and I'm working on getting seeds.
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John Mc says...
Whoohoo, that's great news, both my seedling and grafted varieties are doing well here in the ground. After 2 years they are 1.5m high and growing very well. I have them tucked just under the canopy of some large eucalypts and high up the block.
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Mike says...
John Mc I have a tentacle in Africa and teams of soursop enthusiasts are currently scouring the streets of kampala.A proxy is trying to prize seeds from the daughter of whit but they are in lockdown.I'll let you know when I'm rollin' in bathtubs of rare soursop seeds.
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John Mc says...
Word has it they won't fruit here, I'll build a permanent poly cover over them if I have to. Even at this stage of winter, they are showing no signs of yellowing or loosing any leaves, they will show some minor deciduous signs towards the end of the month.
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Taposh says...
plz anybody can help n inform me where can i buy soursop plant coz i like to plant in Bangladesh
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denise1 says...
The best way is for someone to post you some seeds. Got seeds anybody?
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Taposh says...
plz anybody can help me to get or buy some soursop plant or seeds for plantation in Bangladesh ??
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George says...
For those seeking to buy soursop leaves or graviola for cancer treatment,I can supply you very good quality-dried or fresh.I am located in Indonesia.
Contact me @ aspirpeace@gmail.com or phone:+628995313793.
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I can also suppy you with the soursop seeds--.any quantity- Contact me @ aspirpeace@gmail.com or phone:+628995313793.
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priyanka says...
Hello .. if anyone could please help me to get this graviola leaves (Soursop). is it really helpful for liver cancer. as my father was suffering and having the chemothearpy. and after6 weeks he is having surgery.. please help me
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CAN ANYONE SAY ME HAS THIS TABLET HAS CURED THE CANCER??? PLEASE NEED YOUR REPLY
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If you read the above posts you will see this reference:

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/fruit-extract-10000-times-better-chemo

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percy says...
HiSonia i just had cancer removed as you know no one wants it back ,can you tell me were i can get the tree or, seed of the mountain soursop
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Percy,email me urgently on : prudenciawayne@hotmail.com . I can ship you some Graviola seeds,fruits,leaves from South Africa.
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Email me urgently on : prudenciawayne@hotmail.com . I can ship you some Graviola seeds,fruits,leaves from South Africa.
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dezybel says...
Hi i live in southeast brisbane and im desperate to know where i can get fresh soursop or a plant to grow.please help.
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David says...
I live on the south side of Brissie, will have seeds soon
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percy says...
Fistly thank you .can you tell me were i can get the mountain graviola tree in melbourne please.
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8th November 2012 1:28pm
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Sagar says...
For those seeking to buy soursop leaves or graviola fruit for cancer treatment,I can supply you very good quality-dried or fresh.I am located in India (MUMBAI).

Contact me @ mumbaimed@gmail.com or phone: +91 9821321344
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denise1 says...
Check wafflesatnoon.com In depth study seems to reveal that graviola is not as good as it appears in claims elsewhere and may kill brain cells and have other toxic properties. I think you should all search findings of the Asimina triloba, and also the papaya leaf. Papaya leaves have a general acceptance by pubmed.
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18th November 2012 7:59am
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snottiegobble says...
There is more & more evidence that TURMERIC is the miracle plant regarding cancers & many other challenges! I never go a day without some in meals & I also grow it in large pots now! Easy in WA!
Just Google it for info, & its so cheap too!
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20th November 2012 4:40pm
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Taposh says...
send me prive cnf chittagone port Bangladesh
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28th November 2012 6:56pm
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snottiegobble says...
Taposh, get someone to help you write to the forum, we are having trouble understanding your words!
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
That's an address I believe SG
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mary says...
Hello i am happy to help with soursop leaves,

i can send them just email me happy to send
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3rd December 2012 9:12pm
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debbie says...
yes,,i heard that if u consume too much..chance of u getting parkensons disease
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Priscella says...
I would like to try to grow Graviola tree.. in WV...... On my island I have 100's of Paw Paw Trees............... Any one out there would like to exchanged? .... Or any of the other trees mentioned in this forum........... I have also heard that Osage or Hedge Apple produces the same results and I have one on our land and hope to start more..... Call 304 583 2825 or send a E-mail to paradiseislandwv@lightlynx.net...........
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6th December 2012 1:41pm
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Eveline says...
I thank God for having sent me to this forum. We are a group of cultivators and we cultivate so many crops including fruits of which the Graviola fruit is part of what we cultivate. We have been seeling this fruit and trowing seeds without knowing the use. Now I think I will make great use of the fruit as I have studied much about. We presently have the seeds in bulk , young plants are also available and leaves too. Just contact me at my e-mail address if interested in buying any of the Graviola plants produce at : foumbotfarming@yahoo.com .
We will be ready to ship our product world wide to any location and we will offer you good prices,

Thanks.
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Nick T says...
I just tried soursop for the first time- it is amazing! I'd say the flavour is comparable to a good lemon meringue pie!
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18th December 2012 4:15pm
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Mike says...
They are pretty good Nick and ours in oz are nearly all cuban fibreless I believe which is an old standard and not fibreless.After hunting for whitmans fibreless I found I can get them in Cairns with effort but was also informed they are not actuially better than the standard and are shy fruiters.I now have a couple of tanzanian seedlings from an african breeding improvement program and a brazilian elite cultivar.Hopefully they will be better than the standard ones.
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Rajesh S Shetty says...
Hi,
Anjanyeya Syp/Caps containing Graviola/Soursop/Hanumanphal/Lakshmanphal is available in India and can be shipped to any location. Please send your details to rajeshsshetty@hotmail.co.uk or ecoremedies@gmail.com
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khim says...
hi rev i wanted to ask if you could help to get some soursop leaves ill pay for them and postage too please just found out my dads got tomour or cancer already not 100% yet if you can it will be very helpful thanks im in melbourne area
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jisaw says...
Where did you buy your tree or seeds?
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14th January 2013 8:58am
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Rajesh S Shetty says...
Hi Khim,
I can send you soursop leaves in Melbourne fron India. Please send more details.
Rajesh
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Nasik India
16th January 2013 4:15am
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WOOGIE says...
ARE THE MOUNTAIN VARIETY THE SAME MEDICINAL VALUE? WHERE DO YOU GET THE TREES FROM? I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A COUPLE IN UP HERE. ph.0409 729 301
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24th January 2013 2:39pm
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WOOGIE says...
ARE THE MOUNTAIN VARIETY THE SAME MEDICINAL VALUE? WHERE DO YOU GET THE TREES FROM? I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A COUPLE IN UP HERE. ph.0409 729 301
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VF says...
There are some claims regarding medicinal value - also some adverse effects. I think it best if you google for yourself, I can't/won't make any claims for you. I can send you some seeds only, I have no knowledge of anyone selling trees. I'll try and contact you later today.
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David says...
I am looking to buy some of these plants, I live in adelaide. If anyone could help me that would be greatly appreciated.
My email is metzger96@hotmail.com

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25th January 2013 9:12am
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VF says...
Daleys sells them.
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sahana says...
Where will get the seeds of this tree? I live in India...
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sahana says...
Where will I get the seeds of this tree? I live in India...
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joy says...
soursop leaves needed for help with cancer ,
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31st January 2013 1:47pm
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VF says...
Joy, some sources are listed further back on this post.
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KatCal says...
Hi There
I am looking for Soursop leaves for my mum who is fighting lung cancer.
We have found the fruit but are looking for the leaves as with most people.

I am in melbourne, Australia.

The problem is, we want a reliable source. We want to know what we're receiving and we want to know that by receiving the leaves (importing them), we are not doing anything illegal.

Can someone please help? please email me at katcal135@gmail.com as I don't often visit this website!

Thanks in advance.
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12th February 2013 3:52pm
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snottiegobble says...
KatCal, the big news is that cannabis oil is far stronger than anything known for curing cancer, but Richard Nixon kept it a secret & banned all hemp products! We are hoping to turn all this around so people can access this oil in its pure state, cold pressed,organic & unheated!
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13th February 2013 12:14am
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Mez says...
I would like to buy some fresh fruit in Melbourne if someone knows where exactly!
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13th February 2013 6:40pm
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
The Vietnamese stalls in Footscray often have them when in season - try the undercover market as well as the food arcades.
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13th February 2013 8:45pm
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Kim says...
Does anyone know where I can buy trees or seads so I can grow a tree?
I live in California, USA.
Thank you!
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14th February 2013 7:37am
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peter 1000 says...
google socal nurseries
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Help says...
I have a large healthy tree if I can help let me know
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JM says...
Hi there, I know Cabramatta have the fruits for sale in season and you can get the fresh juice from the dessert shop. I am also interested in the leaves for tea as my sister has recently been diagnose with lung cancer. Anyone can help to direct me to someone in NSW or VIC.
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tegz says...
Hi I am looking for some sour sop fruit and dried leaves please if anyone can help it would be much appreciated as my dad is fighting stage 4 bladder cancer that has spread into his body! I live in the riverina area of nsw so if someone could please help me my email is tegz84@hotmail.com thanks in advance :)
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19th February 2013 10:58am
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pale ale says...
Hello all,
There is history of cancer in my family, and I wish to grow some soursop to use as a prevention for myself and my beautiful girls. Does anyone have some seed which I could buy. I live in northern WA, so my climate should be ideal.
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23rd February 2013 3:34pm
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Jason says...
Have you always lived in WA, I would have thought most cancers wouldn't get going in a climate where you have a good chance at some decent vitamin d levels.

Soursops pretty much proven to induce Alzheimer's, I wouldnt not go near it as a preventative for anything. Maybe if you are already sick and desperate but not just for fun.
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23rd February 2013 5:21pm
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Julie says...
Jason, thanks to the 'slip, slop, slap' campaign, many people are deficient in vitamin D, despite there being lots of sun.

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24th February 2013 3:54pm
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Jason says...
Slip slop slap surely caused more cancers than it ever saved. Odd how people jump into things with both feet when they have no idea the consequences. I guess we are still doing it now with other things we have no idea about yet...

Julie where I live _everyone_ has got d levels between 10 and 40. I've never heard of anyone doing higher than 40 when tested and you really need at least 100 to be sure you don't get a DNA shift on rapidly growing cells like those in the immune system. Really bad stuff having low levels like that.
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Steve says...
Hi, has anyone successfully grown (or is anyone currently growing) a SourSop tree in Melboure (in a hot house or otherwise). Results? Fruit?
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kymba says...
ebay sells anything soursop just go in and type soursop, ive purchased 3 box's of the teabags!
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Kimbo says...
Hi Help do u still have any soursop leaves left i really need some for my mum who has cancer please reply
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15th March 2013 9:30pm
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alex kapun says...
in banjarmasin (indonesia) the name of fruit is "sirsak" but in my village is "nangka belanda", there are many in here... if you have friend in indonesia, you can add and send from here... :D
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18th March 2013 8:27pm
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BJ says...
alex, does that mean 'white jackfruit'? I've also heard they are called 'white durian' elsewhere due to their appearance.
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ommy says...

Hi There
I am looking for Soursop leaves for my Dad who is fighting lung cancer.
We have found the fruit but are looking for the leaves as with most people.

I am in Brisbane, Australia.

The problem is, we want a reliable source.
Can someone please help? please email me at ommybutler@gmail.com

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Lissa says...
Hi Ommy. I have a tree in Brisbane and can give you leaves for Dad. I'll email the addy you've given with some contact details. Regards, Lissa
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Marg says...
Please help me find the soursop plant want to grow as so many family members have cancer
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snottiegobble says...
Soursop tea is available in certain health stores so worth a google to locate one!
Meanwhile asparagus fresh,or tinned is reportedly curing many cancers. People puree & drink it 2 or 3 times a day. Again google it!
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snottiegobble says...
Here is a cure that is illegal, but if it was me I would consider that my life & those of my family & friends be far more important than abiding by such a ridiculous big pharma initiated law!
Good Luck!
http://goo.gl/zheZI
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John Mc says...
Thanks for that link SG, a mate of mine has been encourging me to get up to speed with this for a while now.
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Julie says...
Here's another one. It is available legally in the US on prescription for some ailments.

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/anecdotal-reports-anti-cancer-effects-cannabis-oil-pile-doctors-stress-need-document-its?akid=10246.136153.mdGIqC&rd=1&src=newsletter815950&t=18

John Mc, I hope you are not in need of this. Are you OK?
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purplewoogie says...
How do you know soursop causes alzheimers?
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2nd April 2013 4:14pm
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Jen don says...
Can anyone advise wherenImcan purchase the graviola tree or seeds to grow . My Aunty has cancer and has opted to stop chemo. We are hoping to try this as an option. We live Perth, australia. Thanks Jen
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Jen don says...
Tried sending an email to Emmanuel, email address incorrect. Does anyone have correct address?
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Lissa says...
Here's another website talking about the benefits of a certain oil:
http://www.phoenixtears.ca/
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11th April 2013 12:12pm
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Asim says...
Hi could u plz let me know where can i find this fruit. I am very desperately looking for soursop fruit. Plz any 1 let me know, I live in sydney.
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15th April 2013 8:17pm
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Lissa says...
It's a tropical fruit Asim, you're very unlikely to be able to buy it in Sydney. I don't know if it will grow there - perhaps in the right conditions - then you can grow your own...you'll have fruit in few years time. Ask Daleys.

Why "desperate" for the fruit if I may ask?
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Taposh says...
you can have soursop leaves coz same value
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FiFi says...
Hi Lissa in Strathpine.

I have lung cancer and am interested in buying some leaves.

Can you help?

I am in Springwood.
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David says...
fiFi i to live in Springwood maybe i can help.
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Onassis says...
where do i get my hands on this fruit
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lucypit says...
David does your tree have fruits at the moment?.. I really want to get my God mother some if you can help. thanks
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30th April 2013 12:30pm
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lucypit says...
David does your tree have fruits at the moment?.. I really want to get my God mother some if you can help. thanks
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lucypit says...
my email is lucillepitcher190@hotmail.com thanks
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lucypit says...
Please anyone can you help?...Im looking for soursop fruits for my Family who has cancer.
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30th April 2013 12:49pm
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veevee says...
Lucypit where are you located? I saw soursop fruit at Dandenong plaza fruit shop in Victoria.
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1st May 2013 7:13pm
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Alanafg says...
Hi all.
After reading all on this forum looking for this plant, leaves and the fruit re cancer i still cannot find anywhere on the net where a person has cured them selves from this fruit.

Wouldn't you think if there was a cure out there the net would be flooded with this infomation from cured people?

Alan australia.
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MaryT says...
Thank you, Alan, for that perspective. I too have been meaning to say something about it but I know 'hope' is something people latch on to though often 'hope' proves to be the cruelest joke.

As someone living with cancers for most of her adult life, I have been presented with all sorts of 'cures'. People are well meaning especially when they hear that your cancer is incurable; they feel helpless so this is something they feel they can contribute to your recovery. Why not try it, they say. To me it's the same as my Christian friends who say why not BELIEVE; it may be true.

All I can say is I think I will have to give up a lot of living to be chasing cures. I have my way of living with cancer but the emphasis is on living. I thank all my friends who came up with all sorts of regimes and treatments but so far I've done well with none. MAYBE one of them actually helps but there are just too many frogs to kiss.

The only drugs I would take now is those my life depends on; i.e. I would die without. The only tests I would submit to is a blood test once a year; no invasive scans and radioactive and debilitating regimes. I have no wish to watch my cancer grow even if my doctors want to 'keep an eye on it'. I won't abuse my body further for their convenience. The doctors, as well as my friends, will have to accept my condition in good grace, until there is evidence of a new and effective cure. I won't have soursop or any other thing thrust on me; I'm too busy trying to make the best of my remaining time.

I should add, though, that I'm grateful for those things that took no effort and are even pleasurable to take: the gingers that Mike sent me, for example. Also someone gave me keffir grains to make a yoghurt drink that is delicious. I can't get enough of it - maybe because it is actually slightly alcoholic (1 - 2%). :) LOL

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Kim says...
Hi Mary, I'm sorry to hear of your condition - I never knew.

I understand what you're saying, but just curious if you've heard of the Aloe Vera method? I'm not sure I really believe it or not, but there are a few people in perth completely convinced.

My late grandmother was diagnosed with a brain tumour about 8 years or so ago. She was given a matter of weeks, at the best a couple of months. My mum heard about the Aloe Vera method and administered the "treatment" to my grandmother. As it happened, she lived until her passing a few months ago from old age.

A little closer to home, my oldest sister was diagnosed with a rare type of lung cancer (rare because she is a non-drinker/smoker and due to her young age) and it had gotten into her bloodstream. There was to be no hope nor treatment - the only thing the doctors could offer was to "ease her pain in the last few weeks her life". This was about seven years ago. Doctors still don't know how it is that she is "cured". Some people think its because of the Aloe Vera treatment - I still don't know what to think.

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Hi Kim. Doctors have no right to 'give' you a week, a month or a number of years to live. It is obvious that your family have good cancer fighting genes and perhaps good lifestyle and diet. As for the Aloe Vera method, I have read of claims regarding its use. So far only anecdotes; maybe it's one of those things that works for some. Thank you for sharing your experience.
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I have heard of many instances where cures have worked for people but they dont talk about the cure to anyone. Some seem to have almost forgotten much of the whole experience.
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Alanafg says...
Hi Mary im so sorry to hear what you are going through, and i disagree with your words like just try and see as it may work.
Also thank you kim for your input.

I don't see the point in just trying anything and hopeing with out some backing and truth to products, example black salve for skin cancers on you tube.

Many prople with real stories on videos showing their progress and myself and whole family also use that product.

I will though find some very interesting news if i can find it re a man that was jailed in the us for curing himself twice over 20 years from serious cancer, even this was shown on the us news and he was jailed for advertizing what he said he used was a cure.

It seems no one is allowed to adverttize a cure for cancer.

It's 4.15am here in Queensland Australia now and i have to sleep though will find the us link to the man that the us news showed on tv how he cured himself twice within 20 years from serious cancer after the hospitals wrote him off.
Im not sure what im allowed to say on this forum though i will be careful of my words.

Alan australia.
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Alanafg says...
In the mean time please look up apricot kernels.
also look for the man that was jailed in the us that stated he cured himself of cancer by eating apricot kernels and was jailed after advertizing this as a cure.
The us news seen here also in australia showed this story of him and his proof from the hospital that they had wrote him off after twice healing himself over a perioud of 15 to 20 years twice of incurable cancer.

If any one can find this story before i can please send me the links aswell as i work very long hours with limited hours for searching.

Alan Australia.
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Alanafg says...
In the mean time please look up apricot kernels.
also look for the man that was jailed in the us that stated he cured himself of cancer by eating apricot kernels and was jailed after advertizing this as a cure.
The us news seen here also in australia showed this story of him and his proof from the hospital that they had wrote him off after twice healing himself over a perioud of 15 to 20 years twice of incurable cancer.

If any one can find this story before i can please send me the links aswell as i work very long hours with limited hours for searching.

Alan Australia.
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MaryT says...
As I said, you miss out on life while chasing cures.
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Brain says...
try this link Alan, hope this is what you are looking for. The name is Jason Vale.

http://www.apricotsfromgod.info/jvale/

Note: everyone should consult medical professionals before embarking on any self treatment. :)

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Julie says...
Brain, there is absolutely no point in consulting your doctor, as they know nothing about alternative remedies, and distrust them all.

If it's not a drug made by a pharmaceutical company, they don't want to know. I was completely relieved of arthritis pain using a natural remedy, and my doc wasn't interested.

I guess you could tell your doctor, but you won't get much support.
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Jason says...
I'll just add something in here. If you are desperate for soursop leaves you can try the closely related cherimoya leaves. They will have the same compounds (it maybe less potent) but the tree will grow fine in Melbourne.

Also for those with cancers that aren't looking like having a good outcome you can try mebendazole. It's oddly (conspiracy theory??) no longer made in the US but you can still buy it in Australia over the counter via India as "Chemists Own, De worm". That's a win win situation as you can buy as much of it as you need and no Dr needs to be involved.

Now I have an impossibly rare ?incurable? benign disease myself and the cause is unknown...(I'm the only one with it in Australia) and it's so rare it took 7 years to confirm the diagnosis, quite a problem because it throws your immune system way out of whack but in any case despite not being malignant you get tumours and they grow.. The point is since no one really knows much about this my Dr and I have trialed a bulk load of herbs and non harsh drugs and mebendazole totally has a positive effect on the tumour. I've just not been willing to take the drug long term since after all it's not a malignant condition. But I would if the situation was more serious. There's been a few studies on mebendazole vs cancer and it for whatever reason has anti tumour effects. You can read one of them here http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/8/9/2963.full . It's a dirt cheap drug no longer under copyright so I doubt it'll ever be used on the front line against cancer.

Anyway if I had to entrust my life to something I'd choose that over soursop leaves, given the choice of only one. Not saying it's going to cure you but it may/might/should make the situation less bad.

You just want to check it's compatibility with other drugs you are on because it can react with some other drugs like Metronidazole badly... I've tried that too so I had a big space of time between them.
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MaryT says...
Thanks for that, Jason. Have you tried kefir grains and if so what is your experience with it? My friend who gave it to me said it's pro-biotic and good for the gut. I enjoy the yoghurt drink it makes so I went along with it (after all she delivered the thing personally). So far so good but I wonder if anyone has had adverse effects from long term use. Sorry to hi jack the soursop thread. Maybe this should be a new thread.
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Mary I haven't tried Kefir. I have wanted to because those kinds of foods are strongly immune system modulating but you never know if it'll push you the right way or wrong way until you try. I have had really good success with home made yoghurt but again it only works for me with certain strains of bacteria and getting the same culture twice is crazy difficult. I'm lucky in that I have one obvious lymph node that's very reactive and totally relative to my wbc so I can easily see what works and what doesn't. Its accurate enough to predict a blood test within .2 just from looking at the tumour. I'm going to try and culture ripe mashed bananas soon because that's something I haven't tried and it maybe more stable. Sauerkraut generally gives me a good result if I make that at home.

Once I made some pro biotic drink from oat milk that I just left on the bench at low temps so I had no idea which culture it had in it and it dam near cured me but I was never able to culture it twice the same even though I saved some for a starter. Most of the problem was the drink I used to get the good one going was no longer sold...

Playing with your immune system with different bacteria is fairly leading edge immunology and there's lots of research about that at the moment but you know I'm just a crazy guy in my kitchen with limited cultures and not as very controlled environment so its a bit random in my case Lol.
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Feemitch says...
If you look up hoax buster, they have a section on soursop. While the cancer information being circulated has come from a truthful study, it hasn't been tested on humans and there are noted side effects in some people and potential risks to having too much of the soursop in certain ways. It has a whole write up that I suggest reading before making any set decisions on feeding it to a child. I was after it for the same reasons and now I am going to be researching a little more before jumping into it :) hope it helps though.
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MaryT says...
Good on you for doing proper research on soursop first before going into it blindly, Feemitch.

Jason, I've only been on Kefir for a short time. I enjoy the drink and so far it has no bad effect on me but I can't say (yet) that I feel miraculously well from it :) It's become a kinda pet because it's alive and although I'm not talking to it I do care for it and feed it carefully. Maybe there is therapeutic effect in that ? LOL

I too have blood tests so time will tell whether it makes any difference.

Re: the good oat milk - surely you can contact the manufacturer for the culture?

Good luck.
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gardenererer says...
I've been having like minute flashes in my eye for some time . My chiropractor mentioned custard apple leaves to be placed on the eyelids overnight . He said they draw out the toxins. Anyone have similar experience?
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Alanafg says...
Hi Brian yes this is the Jason that i remembering on tv here.
http://www.apricotsfromgod.info/jvale/
I just went to your link and see all the videos again though the most important videos that the news crew filmed in jail with him are grayed out and will not open here, they did show all his previous where he was written off from the hospital he was admitted to yet survived for many years, and again years latter and written off again yet he did survive again and looked healthy as in jail as said on tv with all this proof aswell of previous and recent hospital reports shown on tv.
I don't know what else to say givin all the dodgy things out there people do for money.

This is the only substance i have ever seen proof of via tv showing hospital documents of writing him off twice over many years and those tv links are dead here for some reason. ( if you can open them please let me know )
http://www.apricotsfromgod.info/jvale/
If i had been cured from a serious cancer i would wan't to tell the world and of course might be in trouble for advertizing such a thing though i would still do that to get the word out regardless, in australia i don't think is as harsh as the states though sure i would be in some trouble.

Givin all this above i cannot find anything more positive anywhere on the net other then black salve for skin cancers on youtube and every where that myself and my family all use and have for many years so i guess we all just have to read between the lines and accept if there is a cure out there no one is allowed to advertize a cure even if it did work.
If it did work this is very cruel specially to the people sufferers out there that only have a short time to live, of course there are many oppitunests out there that have no interest other then money yet i have to wonder why those videos have been blocked from opening on that link above from the tv stations themselves showing proof right back from previous years of being written off from uncurable cancer.

I wish all you good people in this forum looking for help the best of luck and hope my input has been of some help.

Alan From Australia.
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Varinder says...
Rev,Hi rev where I can buy soursop fruit or juice in Townsville .I asked so many people but nobdy know about this.Thanx
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Varinder,

You can get them at COTTERS MARKETS on Sunday in the city where a big new TV screen located near Townsville Holiday in hotel. The lady sells all kind of veggies and soursop fruit too. Another place is Willow Sunday market at Willow shopping centre. Those fruits are in season now.

Good luck.

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Julie says...
Cancer 'research' is very big business. Imagine how many people would be out of a job is they found a cure? Doctors, oncologists, funding organisations etc.

I'm not even sure they are looking for a cure - most info relates to treatment.

I am not cynical by nature, quite the opposite, but in this case I am very wary.
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MaryT says...
I agree, Julie. The emphasis is on chargeable treatment, be it surgery/scan/drugs. Let's not prevent it from happening and let's not leave people to go in peace. Let's assault them with as much as their bank account can handle; it would be a bonus if they get a second cancer from treatment for the first one (as in my case). Anyway I'm saying adios for a month - off on a slow boat around PNG with my ukulele. Bird of Paradise here I come.
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Brendan says...
Hi Julie & MaryT, if I hadn't seen this with my own eyes, I probably would not believe it.
My wife noticed a small skin cancer (we thought, as it was black & raised up?), on her hand between her thumb and fore-finger. A mate arrived and said why not try the sap of the milk weed?
After he left, the wife tried it.
Next day it looked strange, so she applied some more milk weed sap. The next day, it was gone! Believe it or not!
I don't even know if it is Milk weed,(Mike would know), but that's what my mate called it.
The plant in pic 1 is a poor specimen, note the sap in pic 2.
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Julie says...
Brendan I don't know what that plant is, but it's not the common milkweed used for treating warts etc. Google milkweed euphorbia (cancer weed, radium weed)images.

I have it everywhere in my garden - it takes over sometimes. It can burn the surrounding skin, so you have to be careful.
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kerry andess says...
In Australia, Graviola leaf tea bags, loose leaf, powder and Sour Sop Instant Drink, can be purchased at www.andess.com.au purchases within australia only. Andess is selling this tea as tea not promosing a cure for anything, it is a beautiful tea to drink.
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jingaadmin says...
Hi, If anyone would like dried soursop leaves or tea and info on how to prepare the tea, please visit www.jingajuice.com.au for more information.
We sell quality leaves to Australia and overseas.
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marama says...
hi im very interested in the leaf were do you live in brisbane thanks marama
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jingaadmin says...
H Marama,

If you go to our website at www.jingajuice.com.au you can purchase from there. The leaves are twice as strong as the fruit and easier to prepare and manage.

We also have instructions on how to prepare the tea.

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Lissa says...
Hi Fifi - sorry, have only just seen your posting. Anyone who needs leaves can come visit at Strathpine to collect a bag. Give me a ring 0414 445 581. I see someone is advertising commercial products (yet to read all the postings) and they will no doubt post out.
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rajan says...
can u plz assist me wer to buy grovilla ( sour sop )





thank you
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Bg says...
In asian market in sunshine or in footscray market or in sigon market footscray
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Raja says...
I want to grom graviola (Soursoup) tree in my land at Tamilnadu (India). Can I get the seeds or roots in india for planting. Any body help my and contact @ +917891319789
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denise1 says...
You can buy commercial quantities from fruitlovers.com which is in Hawaii. They sell a wide range of fresh tropical fruit seeds. Something to interest everyone.
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Memmie says...
Sour sop is a miracle tree.. My brother in law was diagnose with liver cancer and now in remission he drink the sour sop tea leaves everyday as his water and he is back in normal routine for 7 years now..
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Hi denise can yiu pease tll me the website
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Hi denise can yiu pease tll me the website
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Memmie says...
I bought a frozen meat of sour sop in th filo shop yesterday and it was really yum the only thing s they added sugar n it..
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jingaadmin says...
You can buy soursop fruit in the markets if you are in Melbourne. If not try ebay for fruit in Queensland

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denise1 says...
Hi Memmie, go to www.fruitlovers.com . Choose the overseas list, not the USA one.
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Julie says...
I just came across this interesting link on graviola. Scroll down to the bottom - he says what was studied was actually pond apple.

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA40029...against-cancer

That link doesn't seem to be working from here, I'll check it out.
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Mike says...
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/soursop-cancer-cure.shtml
The studies by real medical researchers actually used soursops.Ther author of this site does have a medical degree but is more of a new age author.He has copped a flogging for his views and advice but there is no doubt a mix of merit and snake oil.
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Julie says...
Her's another one. This guy has a website that is dedicated to trials and studies of natural remedies - he doesn't sell anything, or give opinions and advice.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/fruit-extract-10000-times-better-chemo

Oops! I have posted this link before, but way, way back.
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Maria p says...
Hi Rajan,
I'm from reservoir and wanted to know if you have found the fruit? My dad has just been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and he starts chemo on Monday. I was wondering if the best source is the fruit and if so how many can he eat a day or is the tea, supplements or extract the best way to go?
Thank you everyone
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Rajan,

I would strongly urge you to exercise caution and restraint in prescribing graviola for your dad. There is no empiricle clinical data which suggests that graviola increases the probability of remission in cancer patients, but further, there is very strong epidemiological data which shows a high correlation between nuereological disorders( particularly parkinsons disease) and consumption of soursop. It is thought that this is because soursop contains a neurotoxin called annonacin.

This particular study ( which I find methodologically sound, I major in statistics) makes a strong case for ditching soursop. It is published by Oxford. There are numerous other PR journals which discuss the role of graviola consumption and its link with nueral problems. I can access these from my current instution and forward them to you if the case is that you can only read the abstracts.

http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/130/3/816.short

I'm sorry for your troubles, all the best.

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Hi Maria,

If you would like to purchase soursop tea or just more information regarding soursop please visit our website at www.jingajuice.com.au

We are located in Melbourne and have stock of the tea bags and tea leaves. We also will be selling the soursop tea powder and shredded leaves soon.
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‘AnjaNeya’ Health Drink containing Soursop / Graviola is now available at www.ecoremedies.co.in
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You can buy soursop fruit online
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Anonymous says...
I will apologise in advance for shouting,but I really am getting tired of reiterating this: SOURSOP CONTAINS A CHEMICAL CALLED ANNONACIN WHICH CAUSES ATYPICAL PARKINSONS DISEASE.

Yes. Yes it does.This is clearly understood, and is empirically true. It is a fact as much as anything is a fact in the physical universe we occupy.


There is NO EVIDENCE BEYOND PLACEBO that soursop helps fight cancer or increases the probability of cancer remission.

No. No there isn't.

This is nothing epistemological about this issue. That's just the objective reality of the situation.


Anybody who wants a copy of some PEER REVIEWED large and meso-scale epidemiological studies from researchers working out of HARVARD and CAMBRIDGE, please contact me at:

ljo84 at hushmail dot com

If you need help interpreting the methodology or statistics I can assist with that.

Dear moderator: Before you delete this post, understand that when you do that, you are indirectly yet willfully enabling, aiding and abetting scientifically illiterate charlatans who profit from the desperation of desperately ill people or people who want to save desperately ill people. You are empowering entrepreneurial vultures to profiteer from human misery and worse,are encouraging people to inflict further harm on themselves or the people they are trying to help.

The store this forum is ascribed to continues to sell soursop; this ranks as one of the clearest instances of conflict of interest I have ever seen.Are you so keen to make money from graviola trees that you are actually willing to endorse this dangerous and totally fallacious culture of cancer-curing bullshit whilst being totally cognitive of the fact that the link between soursop consumption and parkinson's disease is as tentative as that between smoking and lung cancer? Or are you generally just ignorant of the research?

Before canning this post, for Christ's sake, please at least let me forward you some research and data.It won't cost you a thing but some time and concentration.

Think about whether there might be a difference between opinion and fact, and what separates the two.


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Anonymous says...
http://www.drugs.com/npp/soursop.html
Key questions are what level of fruit consuption (thus annonacin) is needed for adverse consequences, and what evidence is ther for anti cancer actions?
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http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-help/about-cancer/cancer-questions/can-graviola-cure-cancer

By the way the last post was Mike.It is wise to listen to the cancer researchers.Only lab results have shown cancer cells being killed by soursop.
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Thankyou Mike, its nice to get another voice of reason in light of the unadulterated insanity this thread has produced.

In terms of evidence, there is doodley squat which might suggest that soursop 'cures' cancer. Nada. More to the point, indicators produced in laboratory settings almost never relate to results produced in human trials.

I'm going to say all this once, and then I'm never going to mention it again.

I'm not making a stance against vivisection here ( reality is there's no way around it at this stage) but 9 from 10 drugs proven successful in animal experimentation fail in human trials.

Another little useless factoid (believe me, I save them up) is that mice are not included in overall vivisection tallies. Not sure why that is, don't really like to think about it.


Researchers often deliberately manipulate studies at the methodological level in order to skew the results--this happens a lot, I promise. Honestly, the potential to statistically deceive people is great, and it isn't hard to do. There are just so, so many ways to pull the wool over peoples eyes through mechanisms such as scaling and just plain old omission.The reason for this is that mathematical language is indecipherable to pretty much everybody who doesn't either have to understand it for occupational purposes or otherwise takes a very serious interest in it as a hobby. The ABS is notorious, for example, for conflating data. I have even seen some fairly shambolic CSIRO papers recently and I expect them to get a hell of a lot worse if it becomes privatized, which could very well feasibly happen.

Now, before somebody pulls the old "You're sources are slanted/lobbied/how do you know the studies you've seen aren't manupulated" Thing out their arse, I ask that you please put down the bongo drum and listen:

A)Soursop is not patented. It's terra nullius. Do you honestly think ivory tower pharmacy such as phizer hasn't looked in to it? You can bet the farm that if there was something in there that cured cancer, they would have isolated it, ripped it out, distilled it, put it in a pill or a needle, given it name, and had an army of lawyers all over it like seagulls on a bag of chips to ensure sole ownership and copyright of the most important medical treatment in the history of mankind. Period. I promise you, the best scientists go where the big money is. There are people in this world who have the empathetic range of an unprinted cardboard box and dream in equations.

B)we already have human trials of the effect of annonacin. They have been happening, unintentionally, for as long as humans have been eaten a shitload of soursop.The only difference is, people have started taking the minutes. What they have learned is that doing that causes parkinson's disease.

As for how much annonacin it takes to cause parkinsons in a human being, I am going to say something more people should be saying: I don't know.I don't know, because as far as I can find, there isn't any data which explicates this.

The last thing I'd ever do, which is what all the cranks in this thread can't seem to understand or choose to ignore, is make unsubstantiated claims which I can't qualify with data to the end of fattening my wallet. This pisses me off.

What I can say is that the correlation is incredibly strong; so strong that there is simply no way it can be argued that annonacin doesn't cause Parkinson's disease.There is simply no other intelligible explanation.

This is the consensus across a range of sciences, not just neuroscience. In epidemiological terms, the regularity of soursop consumption is positively correlated with incidences of parkinsons disease absolutely everywhere.

In Guadeloupe it is an epidemic. In fact, there is even a term for it: Guadeloupe parkinsonism. There is no other salient explanation for it apart from high consumption of graviola due to the genetic disrelationship between cases of affected individuals.

It blows my mind that people won't eat from aluminum pots because of the correlation between this and Alzheimer disease and will still eat soursop despite its correlation to parkinson's disease. This is something like masochism.

As for how much it takes, again, I don't know, But how about this: I don't give a shit. I'd rather not eat ANY on the basis that it isn't understood how much annonacin it takes to be causal rather than say 'well, they don't know yet, so I'm just gonna eat as much as I think is a sensible amount'. This is intentional fallacy of a very dangerous sort.

Mike you will know more about this than me, but wouldn't soursop fruit at regular intervals? Or will it fruit more abundantly and regularly in different locales? If the first is true, than surely somebody in Australia could, theoretically at least consume as much as somebody in Bolivia if they actively cultivated it for consumption and particularly liked it?

Anyway rant over. If you're reading this and selling soursop leaves to cancer patients I hope you get raped by a syphilitic bear.

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Mike Tr says...
S, if we distil the contents of all the genuine scientific articles on the topic and discard all the sales pitches and unsubstantiated stuff it comes down to this.
Heavy consumption of soursop over prolonged periods increases the incidence of this type of Parkinson's according to strong circumstantial evidence and modes have been postulated.In Guadeloupe near parts of the Carribean where numerous cultivars with long seasons and stored nectars allow continuous soursop (probably due to annonacin and a few other metabolites) consumption this is a problem.The moral of the story is don't eat soursop every day and year round. It seems to take large amounts to cause medical problems.
The second part is the anti-cancer properties of soursop leaves,fruit etc.This is not proven in the real world just with some types of cancer cells in the lab.It is still speculation if sufferers have positive results from consumption.Look at the advice in the attachments.
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Mike, I agree. It is speculation. It is speculated (even by some biologists, bless them) that bigfoot may exist. I can't prove that it doesn't due to the principle of ambiguity; that is, it is ultimately impossible to prove a negative. But relying on the principle of ambiguity does not constitute logic; by that reasoning, I might say that I believe sitting around on inflatable furniture thinking about ponies and rainbows cures cancer. In fact, if you conducted a trial, you would find that this probably did happen in some cases. Why? Nobody knows--its a confound. Confounds occur in research almost all of the time. in fact if a study doesn't bring one up it isn't a good study. Confounds on any graph or chart are easy to see as outliers. So when somebody says something like:

"In laboratory studies, graviola extracts can kill some types of liver and breast cancer cells that are resistant to particular chemotherapy drugs"

This means, in terms of evidence, absolutely nothing at all. In fact it means less than nothing, because it is a confound; that is, a result or phenomenon for which there is no definitive explanation.

To unpack that sentence:

In labaratory studies: which lab? How was the study conducted? Who did it? who payed for it? Who were the tissue cultures taken from? Who were the participants? How were they sampled? What was the sampling error? How was this decided? How were the numbers crunched? What coefficients were there?

Graviola extracts: Which? Sugar can be a graviola extract. Annonacin? Was this extract concentrated? Was it used in conjunction with any other compounds? How were the compounds extracted--through the usage of other compounds? Could these have influenced the results? Could any procedural steps have influenced the outcomes in some way?

Some types of liver and breast cancer cells: Which? How did these cells differ from other types of liver cancer cells? Were these cells from human tissue cultures? Were there any structural differences between these cells? How many did the extracts exactly affect? What is the explanation for this? Were these types experimented on at the same time, via the same procedure?

Are resistant: In what way? In what relational terms? When are they resistant/what factors influence this resistance? Is the definition of resistance in the specific case nominal or categorical?

Specific chemotherapy drugs: Which? In what dosage/concentration? What about other treatments within the field of nuclear medicine? Were there controls? Under what conditions were these specific drugs tested against the cells and did this vary from deviate from the procedure employed in the instance of the soursop extract

etc etc. I could probably go on forever. My point is, anecdotes are not evidence, and it is very, very easy to manipulate results through the use of language that isn't mathematical.

It may be that it takes a lot of annonacin to create parkinson's, and I'm inclined to believe this is true. For example, if it worked as quickly as something like datura this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion. I suspect you probably won't get parkinson's from the odd indulgence of soursop, but over the course of a lifetime of odd indulgence, who knows? Is annonacin accumulative in the brain? I don't know. I just know if I don't eat it, I don't need to know and won't find out the hard way.

However, scientists actually do know how annonacin destroys neurons; this is well documented and amounts to a lot more than circumstantial evidence. Here is one quote I pulled from Elsevier (if you want the full thing drop me a message, they'll charge and arm and a leg otherwise:

"Attempts to restore oxidative phosphorylation with lactate or pyruvate failed to provide protection to dopaminergic neurons whereas idoacetate, an inhibitor of glycolysis, inhibited the survival promoting effects of glucose and mannose indicating that these two hexoses acted independently of mitochondria by stimulating glycolysis. In conclusion, our study demonstrates that annonacin promotes dopaminergic neuronal death by impairment of energy production. It also underlines the need to address its possible role in the etiology of some atypical forms of Parkinsonism in Guadeloupe" (Lannuzel et al 2003).

Don't think I know what this all means, the reality is, I don't. This isn't my area of science.

My concern is that folk are reading threads like these (perhaps people with cancer, or people with kin who are suffering from cancer)and going troppo on soursop fruit and leaves--even relying on it as a primary form of treatment. And people come on these boards to make money from it. And I think that is just plain evil.
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BJ says...
Yes, don't chop your soursop trees down just yet. All custard apple family have annonaicin, not just guanabana, or it would be called guanabanaicin. The big tips are to never juice whole fruit as the seeds are highest in concentration. Otherwise enjoy, just don't base your diet around them. If you are drinking the leaf tea though, well, that's another story.
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JakfruitEttiquette says...
The biggest hole I see in this is that
1 soursop and annonacea are accepted foods from the jungle cultures of Sth America etc, where the intimacy of ethnobotanical knowledge of plant foods medicines drugs would surely have picked up harmful effects long before.
2 Guadeloupe has an endemic parkinsons like syndrome, Guadeloupe has high per .
capita consumption of soursop, soursop seeds, leaves, bark, (fruit??) contains a neurotoxin(extractable) and these can be highly statistically linked.
Nothing else unique about Guadeloupe, apart from Soursops was investigated that could contribute to parkinsons disease ??
Ganja?,encephalitis?,insecticides?

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JE it seems true that soursop consumption was not isolated in these studies,other plant products from soursops are consumed and other contributing factors were not ruled out.I wonder why it was not investigated, if all heavy soursop consumers experience this syndrome.
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JE,

1)Merely because the "jungle cultures" eat soursop does not entail that they are oblivious to its detrimental effects, or inversely have any understanding of the chemicals contained in it whatsoever. Any anthropologist will tell you that myriad cultures everywhere engage in practices of consumption and ritual perniciously deleterious to physical and psychological health. Moreover, you are not considering the problematic nature of procuring food in traditional lifestyle societies, or modern developing countries and the bearing this might have on an individual's level of graviola consumption.

2) guadeloupe does have this, yes. The contention is that this is due to excess consumption of soursop. If you had actually read my post carefully, you might have noticed that it is believed to be the case due the lack of genetic relationship between cases. It is the model of explanation with the most explanatory power.

3) Please go ahead and attempt to explain away the neuroscience paper abstract I included with more of your stellar intellect and home brewed wisdom. Or are you just going to ignore that one insomuch as there is absolutely no way you can attempt refute it without making yourself looking patently ridiculous?

4) 99% of catch phrases are lifted and subsequently overused by people who are spectacularly uncreative and can't conceive any of their own.

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JakfruitEttiquette says...
Anon 8314, The neuroscience abstract you quote is an indication that the toxin irreversibly damages neurone function.
Obviously this was not performed on living human subjects. Usually the toxin would be extracted, possibly concentrated and applied to brain tissue samples. How directly would this relate to consumption of soursop, and the level of toxin in the human brain afterwards. Toxin accumulation in the brain of deceased parkinsons patients etc is what seems to be missing as direct evidence.
ps notice i didn't insult you.
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First off, I apologize for my derisive tone.

Secondly, I am in agreement that there is not at this stage enough data that would allow one to make a claim as to how much soursop can be safely consumed. This isn't understood, and I have been saying this all along.

However, there is a consensus at this stage that regular ingestion probably causes atypical parkinson's disease due to the depth and scope of research and situational evidence which suggests that it does. You've only got to think that atypical cases represent 65% of those in countries where soursop is regularly consumed, compared to 5% in western countries. When descriptive stats soursop pings as an extremely high positive correlation in relation to a range of other variables in a range of locations--not just Guadeloupe, but places such as guam/west indies/new guinea/ etc.

If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck it probably isn't a pillock.

That said, I suspect that, as BJ pointed out, the major risk is in consuming concoctions derived from the leaves, seeds, and bark--in fact the research does tend to suggest this as opposed to the flesh of the fruit. There is obviously some evolutionary purpose of the presence of annonaicin in soursop; its probably there to deter creepy crawlies eating it, which would explain why the highest concentrations of it might be in the leaves, seeds and bark.

In fact if you think about it, it is counter-intuitive in terms of Accumulative selection that soursop would have a toxic fruit. If this was the case, nothing would eat it, which is pretty much the worst thing that could happen to an organism which is trying to send its genetic code into the future through seed dispersal via other organism eating its fruit, walking off and pooping out the seeds far and away. Fruit trees want their fruit to be eaten. However evolution is not an intelligent process and I am being incredibly anthropomorphic on this point; it could also very well be that there is a high presence of annonacin present in the flesh simply because there is no evolutionary reason for this having had to dissapear over the course of that species' evolution.

At some point annonaicin manifested in the species through a random mutation. This secured it a slight evolutionary advantage, somehow, and enabled it to survive in the conditions of its environment. And because of this, this variation within a species was selected by the conditions of that environment so it became more and more pronounced--intensified. Animals and people were still eating the fruit, and it probably didn't kill them of induce atypical parkinson's disease because frankly something else would have killed them before this reached a chronic point. But because it kept being eaten, and because it secured a survival advantage (possibly as an insect deterrent) annonaicin kept become a stronger and stronger as a genetic feature of soursop.There was no reason for this to change, or to do anything else but become more pronounced. Fast forward to the present, and people now absolutely have the potential to develop atypical parkinson's disease from consumption of soursop, because no longer will they be killed off by those other forces which would have ended their lives in the environment(s) in which soursop evolved.

So now we are back to seeds, leaves and bark. This is exactly what some people have been selling on this forum to people with or people who are trying to treat other people for CANCER. And it needs to be stopped. This is the primary reason I continue to rage about this.
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Shaziya says...
Hi,

My grandma has been diagnosed with brain cancer and was wondering if you still have any more soursop in your garden and if i could please have some for her. I live in Brisbane and am not able to find it anywhere in the shops.

Any help would be appreciated.

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MaryT says...
Hi Shaziya, I'm sorry to hear of your grandma's illness but I cannot help you with soursop. To be honest, even if I have a supply I would not encourage you to think that soursop could cure cancer, especially brain cancer.

Speaking as an older woman who is living with an incurable cancer (though one that is slower in its development than brain cancer), I can tell you that if I have a caring grandchild like you, I would prefer him/her to spend a little time with me rather than run around trying to heal me.

Be that loving grandchild to your grandmother - hold her hand, tell her you love her, do chores for her, ask her to tell you all the things she meant to tell you while there is time. Give her your time in a way that would make a difference to the quality of her life. Do it now.

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Hi MaryT,

Thank you for your reply. My grandma is currently undergoing chemotherapy and is getting weaker by the day.It's just hard knowing that we can't do anything for her.
When someone told me that soursop may help I started searching the Internet for it and thought I could help her. I just don't know how to deal with this as I am very close to her. It is such a cruel disease that nobody deserves.

Thank you for your kind words. I hope that you get better and are living every moment to fullest. I am only 19 and your words have made a huge impact on me. I will be seeing my grandma tomorrow and from now I will start to cherish every moment I have with her and make her life easier for her.

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MaryT says...
Thanks for yours, Shaziya. All lives are finite; we never know how long we have. I lost a nephew who was your age, and a child before birth so yes, enjoy life while you can. I am still planting trees :) Take care.
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Allan says...
Hello Shaziya,

I have a friend of mine who has told me of an 8 year old child who had surgery to remove a large tumor only to have it return. But the tumor was beaten by powered graviola capsules taken over a period of about 6 months. This has astounded the medical professionals and there is no medical explanation for it. It simply worked. My wife is seriously interested in starting this supplement as she has an enlarged thyroid. Of course as with any alternative treatment the results vary greatly, but it is worth a try.

Hope all is going well with your grandmother.
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No, Allan - it is NOT worth a try based on what you say you heard about what someone told you about somebody else. I don't believe a word of it and I advise people who are ill to think hard before wasting your time, energy and money chasing cures that someone said somebody told them that someone else had some miraculous experience that no one presented any evidence of. If it happened it would be on the news.
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Julie says...
Mary, you know as well as I do it wouldn't reach the news. The cancer industry would never allow it.

But there are serious studies and trials, where no-one is selling anything, just reporting. Below is the cancer thread from a US health forum. You may or may not find it interesting.

http://www.hawkeshealth.net/community/forumdisplay.php?f=101

Also this: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/spice-extract-shows-excellent-anti-cancer-effects.html

I'm not trying to give you advice on cancer Mary. Just making the point that there are things out there that help, and aren't scams. No-one would ever know unless they made the effort to do the research.
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Julie I know there are true stories that don't reach the news but I still won't believe something that someone said he heard someone told him about somebody else. I also cannot believe that people actually act on this sort of hearsay. Unfortunately those who are compelled to follow these leads are the ones who cannot afford the time. Precious time.

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Julie, there is no cancer conspiracy. My degree is in stats and methodology, and I am yet to see a single shred of verified evidence coming from a respected, peer reviewed research body which demonstrates that soursop extracts even correlate to remission in human trials. Not one.

Here's a few things I can promise you are true:

A)If there was something in soursop that did what the fringe lunatics claim it to do, that would be the most lucrative pharmacological discovery in the history of medicine. The profit that would generate would be, well, incalculable. Astronomical.

B) Private industry attracts the best scientists. This might be why our own CSIRO is so atrocious at everything they do (trust me, I have to peruse various CSIRO papers as part of my degree all the time). We export our best and brightest these days, unfortunately.

C) Soursop contains annonaicin, which if ingested regularly causes type A parkinson's disease. There are a plethora of medical, nueroscience and epidemiological studies which confirm this.

D)If there was a cancer cure in soursop, somebody at phizer would have isolated it and put it in a pill by now. Why? Refer to point A.

Julie, try using google scholar if you're going to present articles for perusal. If I tried to use a non peer reviewed Journal article in an essay my lecturer(S) would laugh in my face, then fail me.

If it isn't peer reviewed, it doesn't warrant consideration.

If you find something you want via scholar or some other database and can't access it, let me know and I'll pull it for you.

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Mike Tr says...
Sternus, I too get to review science papers for journal publications (less often these days) and did stats for scientists. I do however have a different spin.
I think C) is true but has not been confirmed in humans, in spite of much circumstantial evidence.
D) I think there is every chance soursop may do something positive but designing a test in people or defining the pathway is hard and no 3 way anova will give the answer.I also think that pharmaceutical companies focus on whether they can make money out of something and have exclusive rights.Whether something works is not their focus.
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Julie says...
sternus, I have no interest in soursop, in fact I didn't even mention it! My point was there are other avenues besides chemo etc, but the average person never gets to hear of them.

MikeTr, you hit the nail on the head - the profit motive is everything. I could go on, but we are already way off topic here.
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sternus1 says...
Mike if we're going to throw out the entire mathematical basis of scientific research then we might as well all go back to sacrificing goats to moon Gods.

I will admit that I'm biased however; I think this idea that anthropocentric illnesses have ready-made cures in the natural world is a very silly concept. It as though people think that things in the world have some innate design..are preternaturally structured for human benefit. Now, you know better than I do with your greater experience of flora and fauna in the wild, that this isn't true. In fact, almost all of the medicines we use are derived from poisons. The history of pharmacology can be said to be the process of giving people things that drive them to the point of death then giving them another poison which counteracts the poison that put them there. The irony here is that the counter poisons, if prescribed on their own also put the imbiber at the point of death.

Some naturally occurring substances are good from the get go of course, like opium, which is probably the most important naturally occurring compound on earth. We all pretty much owe that pretty flower everything in terms of pain relief and general quality of life. It should not be illegal to grow opium poppies, I believe.

If you really pushed me I'd have to agree that annonaicin can't be said to be causative of TA Parkinson's beyond the point of falsifiability, but I mean really, what can be said to be beyond the point of that, if you really get into it? It is pretty clear cut, from what I've seen; the evidence is certainly more than circumstantial as nuerologists actually already know the mechanisms by which annonacin promotes neural death.

The fact that Paracetamol isn't owned exclusively by any corporation or sole entity doesn't stop thousands of companies pushing out their own brand of it.

I will only eat soursop very, very sparingly. Not easy to do, because in my opinion it is one of the best annonas, if not the best.
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Mike Tr says...
Sternus I don't suggest we throw out stats just scrutinise how they are applied, what the results mean and if the burden of proof is the same for a poison or disease treatment.Quinine might be a borer defence but has other uses. Caffeine and THC are aimed at insects also but have other uses.We might make use of an antibiotic made by mould,but not antibiotic/fungicide in frog skin or sunblock of coral polyps.There are a lot of useful phytochemicals out there that haven't been properly looked at for lots of reasons.Not cures or ready made substances but useful in medicine.
TA Parkinsons seems to be a result of excess annonaicin as strong evidence shows but you need to eat a lot.
Paracetamol does not grow on trees so is good for pharmaceutical companies but if it were owned exclusively it would be better.
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jakfruit etiquette says...
I'd say that humans as living organisms share a common chemical basis in their biology with all other living things.
Hence the biological chemicals from other organisms can perform functions in humans.
Also similar/same chemical compounds perform same or different functions in plants and humans.
How about plant derived steroids+hormones ? The human hormones(precursors?) for the contraceptive pill can be extracted from
various Solanaceae.
Common biology is the basis for many plant and animal derived medicines, as well as toxins(venoms, anti coagulants, anti biotics etc)
It's not too surprising to find the cure for a human disease in another organism.
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Mike Tr says...
A big problem is those people trading in unproven treatments and on the desperation of others.Whether soursop improves the prospects of cancer sufferers or any Garcinias work with weight loss is anybody's guess.I see the attachments from medical association advice in a past post didn't come up.
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Mike I have an unsubtantiated theory about certain Garcinia; that is, they are strong appetite suppressants.

A couple of weeks back I'd been capitalizing on the achacha season, had been eating dozens of them. I noticed that after 5-6 achacha I didn't feel hungry for the rest of the day. In the end, I was forcing myself to eat. I don't think think there is anything in them that burns fat, but I do think there is something in them that makes you not feel hungry, so you eat less, and wind up non-intentionally calorie deficit dieting.
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Mike Tr says...
vroger I don't think superstition, the supernatural or fairy tales is the answer. Facts for the vulnerable rather than faith or fleecing would be more empowering.
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It is worth looking at vroger's attachment.When the snake oil express collides with weird fervent religion oozing with Hubbard and Jim Humble it gives birth to the master mineral solution.
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jocelyn says...
i seell dried leaves of soursop... it can also be in powder form... or encapsulated as pills... ready to drink... its all pure soursop leaves... i sell it here in the philippines for 2.35 peso each capsule... and 750 / kilo of dried or powdered leaves... your choice...
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jocelyn says...
i sell them here in the philippines.. either dried leaves or powdere dried leaves... i also sell them in capsules for ready to drink usage... 2.35peso per piece of cap... 750/kg. of dried or powdered leaves of graviola or soursop... all pure.. natural... no chemicals and flour
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phil@tyalgum says...
My three year old "Cuban Fibreless" soursop is flowering in Tyalgum, at the base of Mt Warning, Northen New South Wales. Pleased as it is an area with cool winters, the tree normally loses its leaves by September
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VF says...
That's great Phil! Keep us posted if fruit sets.
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paulinel says...
Is this available in uk/ireland
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Lissa says...
Paulinel - you would have to search your local nurseries to find that out. It's a Tropical plant so highly unlikely but you never know. People grow things in green houses over there and do quite well I hear.
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please help me says...
Hi
Im after some soursop leaves. I Live in adelaide and cannot find any. My father has prostate cancer and im willing to try anything, what do we have to loose. I Will pay for postage etc. hope someone out there has a tree and is willing to help me.
Thank you in adavnce to anyone willing to help. Ohh and my brother in law has lung cancer and is only 44 years old so i am looking for him too.

Thank you
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jingaadmin says...
If you need the highest quality soursop leaves we sell soursop leaves at both our websites. Try www.jingajuice.com.au or www.soursopleaves.com.au and we have free delivery in Australia
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please help me says...
Thank you so much. I Will check it out today and order through one of the sites. Thank you again for this. Anything is worth a shot.
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David says...
Not very big I know but not bad for winter ripening. Flavour was ok since it is the middle of winter here in Brissie
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JohnMc1 says...
That's encouraging David. You are only 800k north of here.
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