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JohnMc1 starts with ...
I'll take a couple. I can pick up from Dural no probs.
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Tommoz says...
Hi JohnMc1.

Hopefully we are going to get some more interested people. I am planning to go down around September 19.
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JohnMc1 says...
How many cultivars are there? I'll three if there's three cv's.
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Tommoz says...
They are all seedlings.

I've heard that named cultivars have slightly less seed, but that the taste is the same. So not much difference. You could always graft named cultivars on later, although they're very hard to come by.

Did you still want two?
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JohnMc1 says...
Yeah, why not, do you want to email me your bank details and I'll do a dd if that's suitable? or let me know how you want to do it. I might even take the day off and continue onto Canley Vale nursery and Cabramatta fruit markets.
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Tommoz says...
We have some time yet, I am going to write to the guy again just to confirm the price including GST and that he has enough plants.

Canley Vale is probably the best fruit tree nursery in Sydney, they are just a bit sloppy with presentation and also don't see the value in having a web site.

I'm also putting in an order for some premium asimina seed from America, if you were interested. They are 'World Champions' and you can see the catalogue at http://nuttrees.net/ although not cheap at $5 a seed and shipping was a lot, $25 for four seeds. Some of his cultivars have red flowers or purple flowers. But I am more after the fruit, some of his are near seedless. Just hope they are easy to graft onto mature tree later. That's the plan anyway as I only want one tree.
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Linton says...
Hi Tommoz

The cultivar seeds from America are interesting. If we combined an order for another 4 seeds would the postage still be $25.00 or is it calculated per seed?

It would be good to save on the postage if more seeds could be added. Thank you.
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Tommoz says...
I can't imagine postage being much more, I'm also getting him to put in some other stuff.
I'm happy to put an order on your behalf, let me know what you want. It's a shame he's mostly out of stock although his best seed is in stock.
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Linton says...
Hi Tommoz

They all sound good. It seems like the freight rate applies for up to half a pound of seeds. Could you please order for me the following and I will pay the proportional postage cost and 2 of each seeds:

275-48 = (Prolific X (SN) Sam Norris 15)

250-39 = (Sunflower X SN 15)

166-20 x 275-48

166-20 X 250-39

Any others you can suggest?

Please contact me at my email about the payment. lintonius at hotmail.com

thanks!




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Tommoz says...
Sorry, no experience with asimina. You could try that last category 'Lehman's' which is a bit of a lucky dip.

Email sent.
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Tommoz says...
Anyone else interested? C'mon people, this is advanced asimina in question, they are slow growing otherwise...
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Linton says...
Asiminas trilobas available online.

Just to let you know that Diggers are now selling Asiminas, about $20.00, depending on if you're a member or not. Don't know how big they are, just that they are in a pot, but it's not much to risk.

http://www.diggers.com.au/shop/product/WAST/PAW%20PAW.aspx

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BenW says...
Given it's diggers, I'd be expecting roughly 5-10cm tall... don't they do better transplanted small anyway though?
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Tommoz says...
Transplanting has to be done very carefully.
It's $25 for non-members.

I didn't drive down today, but I'm looking to do it next weekend. So if there is anyone else that is interested...
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Linton says...
Diggers have sent me a message about the size of their Asiminas:

"Our Asimina triloba plants are seed grown, from an improved selection imported from the USA. They are 2 seasons old, and under 30cm tall."

I still think that the trees from Cascades Nursery are better value at probably 5 or 6 years old. But the Diggers ones not bad for a second choice.


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Markmelb says...
Linton - what do they mean by 2 seasons?? - 2 years old? Mine are 30 cm in 18 months - seeds planted in march13 and now coming out of dormncy - the control in 100% debco camellia mix is a little ahead of normal premium mix :)
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Linton says...
Hi Mark

Yes, it's somewhat ambiguous what they said.

Sounds like your seedlings are going great with the Camellia mix. I must try it too.
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Tommoz says...
Linton, can a full grown asimina do well in full sunlight?

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Linton says...
Hi Tommoz

Sorry but I can't answer your question for certain, the only way to find out would be to grow them in different spots and see how they fare. My trees get about 60 - 70 percent of full sun, but on very hot days of 40 deg. the leaves get a little burned.

The information about Asiminas states they are an understorey tree so I think they would always do better with some shade. Cheers!
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Tommoz says...
Putting them in full sun is a good way to control the tree size.

You are right about their natural habitat. I am a bit concerned the large leaves will get burned.

How big are your trees? I've heard it's the young ones that particularly struggle.
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Linton says...
The ones from Cascades are about 2 metres high and currently have flowers coming out.

I also have 2 grafted plants about 18 inches high in the ground which produced a couple of fruit last Summer.
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Linton says...
Asimina triloba flowers coming now!

New flowers are coming out on the Asimina trees from Cascades Nursery. The trees are about 2 metres high and I would guess abut 5-6 years old.
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Tommoz says...
Any new fans of asimina (American pawpaw) wanting an advanced tree?
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Thithi says...
Tommoz,how many asimina do you want to grow? ;)
Btw i am tempting to grow one. But i think i need a male and female, dont i?
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JohnMc1 says...
Are they close enough to graft onto Cherimoya?
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Tommoz says...
I am just going to have the one tree. I have some seedlings that I will graft on when they are big enough. They are of good pedigree.

No male and females with asimina. But virtually all cultivars are self-infertile, meaning you need two genetically different plants for cross pollinisation. Of course you can 'cheat' here by grafting - they graft quite easily from the videos I've seen.

Edit: They have distant affinity with cherimoya. I've read someone has reported that graft taking in the first year.
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sternus1 says...
Asimina is barely fit for the consumption of forest animals grazing at the detritus level.

I have no idea why you people are eating this. Wouldn't you rather grow something good?
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Tommoz says...
Some people want to try things before passing judgement. Other people I know have told me it is marvelous. You think durian is disgusting while most people don't so I won't be using your palate as any kind of standard. Last time you confused asimina with pawpaw (papaya) so maybe its best if you sit this one out.

Asimina is in a good family of fruit and some of the best cultivars from America are promising. Most of the fruits we enjoy today came from primitive forms 'in the forest', designed for animals and not humans but that have been subsequently bred a decent number of generations.

Other than that it is very healthy and is grown just for its ornamental appeal.
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sternus1 says...
*shrugs*

If you want to eat like a tapir in the Amazonian basin it's your call I suppose.I won't grow garbage, personally. And while we're on it, I have forgotten more about tropical fruits than you've ever known, and my collection of them is specatacular at this point, truth be told. I also have a stellar fig collection including my latest addition, which is jolly tiger. So you'll have to forgive me as I laugh dryly at you as you toil over your collection of Bunnings stock like a busy idiot and pretend to be an expert.

If you ask 100 random people to experience durian having never had it before, 95 of them will tell you it is repellant. That's my guess.
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Julie 1 says...
Boys, boys, can we stop this? Take your arguments elsewhere.
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sternus1 says...
Fair enough. Tommoz probably has to go and bake muffins for his my little pony collection anyway.
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srt says...
Asimina is a delightful fruit; I am growing it and can recommend it . The time from seed to fruit is long ; 12 years ,in my case.
My guess is Sternus has not tried it . But he got the ass part right.
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sternus1 says...
I live in Queensland. I can grow, and do, all kinds of annonacea. Why would I want the kind that has never benefited from selective breeding, bleeds latex and has the worst flesh to seed ratio in the family? I'd rather grow graviola, cherimoya and rollinia. In fact I believe rollinia could be grown in Sydney at least in a protected spot.

Look, I'm sure that if you can't grow anything good in the way of tropicals, Asimina might be worth the effort in that absence.But please-- let's not go nuts and say it's a top tier fruit, because it isn't.
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Thithi says...
Hi tommoz
I don't usually buy trees over $50, but I think $60 for Asimina is a good price (considering it may take me 18m to grow 30cm or less, lol). I recently bought a lot of plants from Daley, too much for my backyard and because I haven't yet eat the fruit, I won't risk it
Sorry I misunderstood that you already bought Asimina tree already in late September and want to buy more.

To sternus,
Hi sternus, I do like durian fruit, and hate star fruit, but that doesn't stop you from loving it, am I right?Btw, the juicy pearl has grown new leaves, love it. How do you take care of juicy pearl in term of watering and fertilising. Could u send me an email? Thanks
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sternus1 says...
Thi don't fertilise it until the new leaves have developed, they seem to be sensitive to fertiliser when young. Very light applications. Don't use citrus fertiliser, use something organic like powerfeed with seasol. I'm glad to hear it is doing well, it looked bad after australia post messed up the delivery for sure.

Yes, durian is nasty to me. Tastes like fermented quiche. Love carambola. I have some other things you might be interested in that will certainly make you forget about Asimina.
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Linton says...
Attention Mark.........something we missed yesterday!!!!

Just noticed that one of the Cascades Asiminas has got 2 fruits on it. Don't know how I missed that, it's the smaller tree of the two further away from the wall and in full sun.

It's the first time one of the seedling trees has fruited, but I only got it just over 1 year ago from Cascades Nursery, so not too long to wait.

If the fruit stay on long enough to ripen you will be able to try one of them and provide your unequivocal opinion. Talk soon, cheers!
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JohnMc1 says...
So they're self pollinating? that's encouraging.
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Tommoz says...
No, I think Linton has more than one plant.

A normal asimina triloba is highly self-infertile. Purportedly some new selections in US are partially self-fertile.

The best thing is that grafts take quite easily with this genus. I would certainly be grafting over the Cascade seedlings anyway- he is just growing them as ornamentals and you want something with an improved taste and not a mouthful of seeds.
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Linton says...
Tommoz is correct. I couldn't remember if the other seedling tree had flowers or not. But then I saw the pictures I put of the other one on 18th October above. The flowers on that tree did not set any fruit but was probably the pollinator.

The grafted cultivars did not have flowers this season.
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