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BJ starts with ... Has anyone ever heard of this mango before? Birdwood sell them through Bunnies, but I've not been able to get any info from either of them. The only reference to it online is a picture of a huge elongated mango in thailand... http://www.flickr.com/photos/inju/5664806082/ | About the Author BJ Brisbane 4th June 2011 8:23am #UserID: 3270 Posts: View All BJ's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... It won't be the real name and it is a whopper alright.The elephant tusk group of mangoes eg Tom ky Ken and the ones we label cedar bay and raboul may be a bit longer at times.There are big yellow versions of falan,pram kai meu,pimseng,mun kun si and even big okrung varieties and it is probably one of these.I doubt it will be in Australia.We have a preference for colourful skin,a bit more turps and fibre and an american lineage. | About the Author Mike Cairns 1st July 2011 9:27pm #UserID: 5418 Posts: |
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Peter says... and not as...? You mentioned earlier, that you doubt that falan, etc. are in Australia. I had a look what's kept in the Australian Mango genbank and there is Falan, Falan 97,Muhn Kohm, Okrong, OK Rong 97 - so officially these ones are available and if you think one of these, then it is possible. King Thai has drooping branches, so which one of the onnes you mentioned has them as well? I have one young tree and if you know what to look for to identify by vegetative means, this would interesting. Actually, Birdwood should at least have the real name in brackets as well to avoid increase of cultivar names, which turn out not to be additional cutivars. But maybe it is their own controlled crossing and deserve a new name? If the original person does not contact Birdwood to find out, I will do that soon. | About the Author Peter 2nd July 2011 11:05am #UserID: 5034 Posts: |
Mike says... Sorry Peter I meant that the odd forms or giant forms probably wouldn't be here, I know the standard okrung and falan are.They are like groups themselves and there are thousands of mango variations in SE Asia and we can only have a fraction.The names of varieties of all sorts of fruits change between countries just look at bananas or pineapples and you shouldn't have to be a detective to know what your getting even if someone has exclusive distribution rights.I have trouble teliing the trees apart to variety level but okrung,nam dok mai and falan look a bit droopy to me. | About the Author Mike Cairns 2nd July 2011 11:27am #UserID: 5418 Posts: |
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Mike says... I just noticed that a previous response was cut off.'Not as' big as the mango in the picture most of the time.Why the identity is strange is mainly that king thai is an unexpected local name for a singapore mango (maha chanook).Most village and backyard trees in SE Asia don't have a formal name and if it is one of those it probably had a real name pinned on it.The commercial Asian types that can be picked green for transport and all at once and have a name are not always the best for gardens. I think KP is the only non-asian mango in australia that can compete in terms of taste.It still is not as good as the top asians in my view.It is subjective and some people love the turpsy hint. | About the Author Mike Cairns 2nd July 2011 6:04pm #UserID: 5418 Posts: |
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Peter says... Thanks people from the East. Here in WA there is such a lot to catch up with about growing different mango cultivars. Only a few years ago many nurseries would just source KP and R2E2, insisting that only these would succeed in Perth. I never believed it. Luckily there is a change now and more choice is available. Birdwood labels now even mention suitability for Perth, if applicable. I guess, we could get a great headstart from people in the Eastern states talking about good cultivars for regions further down the East coast, comparibale with the Perth climate. Please any suggestions? Ono? King Thai? Irwin? Banana? I know Glenn does the right things at the right time in Perth and might bear every year and has also a good disease resistance. | About the Author Peter Perth 2nd July 2011 11:37pm #UserID: 5034 Posts: |
Mike says... Perth/SW WA with its strong winter rainfall peak is much like California and mangoes come from a summer peak rainfall and humidity zone.I'd be checking the recommendations and success in California.There are a limited number resistant to anthracnose and it is pretty easy to google up a chart and compare what's available with resistance.Tommy Atkins,Van dyke and I think Hayden are resistant, very productive and colourful and perhaps the most cultivated in the world.Unfortunately like many american mangoes they are not also winners in the taste department.Irwin is small,red and susceptible,Ono is small purple and yellow and susceptible and both taste ok.I don't know about Glenn and the other two might not be real names. | About the Author Mike Cairns 3rd July 2011 8:58am #UserID: 5418 Posts: |
Peter says... Banana is a long, yellow polyembryonic cultivar. Hayden is generally regarded is vulnerable to fungal disease, but you never know, sometimes the same cultivar behaves very differenly in different countries even with similar climate. I hope that one day Mallika will be available, which the Tropical Fruit Nursery regards as superb flavour, unparalled disease resistance and being extremly productive. Sometimes I wonder, why we don't see these cultivars for sale... | About the Author Peter Perth 3rd July 2011 2:54pm #UserID: 5034 Posts: |
Mike says... BJ mentioned caraboa and I reckon sam ru du would also be a real winner.A few sorts get called banana around here but hey are small.I might google mallika to sus it out.It is disappointing we don't have most of the good ones. We don't have any of the hawaiin or floridian avos, many of the guavas,sapodillas and in fact many fruit varieties developed in the last 40 years or so. | About the Author Mike Cairns 3rd July 2011 4:15pm #UserID: 5418 Posts: |
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| About the Author BJ Brisbane 9th July 2011 2:20pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: View All BJ's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Peter says... That's great. This forum is great for solving questions like this. I wonder, if forum people have Maha Chinook and could tell, if it is better in fruit set for colder areas like Perth (or Eastern States equivalent) than KP. My tree flowers earlier than KP, my first fruit has set last season, but not pollinated. Even half size only because of missed out pollination,at least it did not fall off like KP often does with it's unpollinated flowers. Hopefully it holds this nubbins better. Seems to have a good disease resistance so far. | About the Author Peter Perth 10th July 2011 12:14am #UserID: 5034 Posts: |
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Mike says... BJ I had one today from Rusty's Market and it was great. One person west of Mareeba has them after importing them from Thailand.They have been such a bonanza that I am sure he will not be sharing the variety. I am sure many of the KP,Calypso amd R2E2 growers as well as backyard hobbyists would like to get them.I suppose it would take someone else importing the trees for them to be available but I don't know if someone could have sole distribution rights if a well established type in another country. | About the Author Mike Cairns 15th July 2011 6:17pm #UserID: 0 Posts: |
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Mike says... BJ I hope sam ru du is still for sale at that time and they are always mislabelled.They look like Ok rung.I believe that is the lemon merange mango of myanmar and thailand and the answer is no I as far as I'm aware.We seem to be missing most of the exceptional and unusual types but do have some. | About the Author Mike Cairns 15th July 2011 8:40pm #UserID: 0 Posts: |
BJ says... Hi Mike, I visited Rusty's, but couldn't find the Sam Ru Du mangoes. NDMs were out in force along with yellow bananas, as were small KPs and a few R2E2s. I did pick up a few fruits I thought were canistel, but have a shiny, leatehry skin and are elongated and a little papaya looking - a bit like fruitist's 'lucuma'. Very different to the other canistels I've eaten. Also, my King Thai mango is flowering, and it looks very much like the Maha Chinook's flower stalk. I might try to upload images if I get the time on the weekend. | About the Author BJ Brisbane 24th August 2011 3:18pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: View All BJ's Edible Fruit Trees |
Mike says... BJ The Sam ru dus always go by other names in Australia and they were there as banana mangoes or something else.Nam dok mais are already around in abundance also for the last month.Those long canistel from the philipine lady fronting sheridan street never seem to go quite ripe and are a bit dry but the round ones from the malaysian chinese fellow inside are better.I have bought both types and they are both classic canistel varieties. | About the Author Mike Cairns 24th August 2011 4:17pm #UserID: 0 Posts: |
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| About the Author M Nash Terranora Northern NSW 9th November 2011 4:15pm #UserID: 2892 Posts: View All M Nash's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... my King Thai set a few fruits this season. Its still too slender to hold them and grow into a decently shaped tree, so I had to pick them off with much regret. Hopefully it will pay dividends next season! Im letting my Allison Red KP hold a few though, as its a bit thicker and is a dwarf KP anyways. | About the Author BJ Brisbane 9th November 2011 8:19pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: View All BJ's Edible Fruit Trees |
Peter says... Ok, there are a lot of different names around - impossible to sort out... There are also at least two different versions in the net about the parents of Maha Chinook... Anyway, as long as it is a good mango cultivar - it is great to hear from other people what works in their area. Soon I hope, somebody further south than Brisbane will be able to tell how the King Thai behaves in a cooler place. My tree seems to set fruit, even there is nightmare weather for mangoes this spring here in Perth (cold and rainy during flowering). | About the Author Peter Perth 9th November 2011 10:35pm #UserID: 5034 Posts: |
BJ says... I was lurking on the net the other day and saw that Tou's Garden (NT mango growers) had trademarked and were growing 1000 Maha Chanook trees. They also noted that: Tou's Garden Maha Chinook The Maha Chinook mango is trademarked by Tou's Garden in Australia based on a clone of the original Thai Maha Chinook, a natural clone of Sunset, which was first identified at Lampoon, Northern Thailand. Maha Chinook is a large, regular bearing fiberless fruit with a flat seed similar in shape to Nam Doc Mai mangoes, but having a warm glowing blush colour when mature. The original Maha Chinook is a mid to late season variety popular for export in Japan and Europe. Specifications: •Popularity: four star rating •Brix: 16 - 19 •Taste: sweet •Availability: late November •Colour: yellow/pink | About the Author BJ Brisbane 30th November 2011 1:12pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: View All BJ's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... @bj, can u kindly let me know where i can track down a king thai in brisbane? Have tried 6 bunnings in the south side without luck. I actually would love to have all the dwarf range from birdswood, or daley if they sell them. So far, the red alison kp, mackay kp, irwin, sensation, palmer from birdswood/bunnings, a pravin from bunnings as well (not sure where from). All dwarf labeled, but i wonder if they are actually on dwarf rootstock and how tall will it grow. Plus a nam doc mai from daley here on regular rootstock. The nam doc mai from daley did fruit quiet well, but the heavy rain in bris caused the fruits to split. So i would recommend this to others if they are keen to see some fruit. But it can be disheartening to see your prized mango split. But if weather is on the right side, then i think is worth the effort. The alison red kp is also a winner with at least one fruit still on tree despite the heavy rain. | About the Author Brain Bne 24th December 2011 3:28am #UserID: 6289 Posts: |
BJ says... The two Bunnings I frequent are Stafford and Carseldine. They have had them a few times this year. They seem to re-stock their dwarf mangoes around once a month. They've had lots of Palmers (yuck), AR KP, Banana, and a few King Thai. its worth giving them a call, as they should either have one on hand or could get one with their next delivery... | About the Author BJ Brisbane 24th December 2011 9:03am #UserID: 3270 Posts: View All BJ's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... Just saw an episode of the garden guru and assuming their facts are acurate, the banana mango is an indian mango, hybridised for australian conditions. Looks a bit like the king thai actually, considering they were in thailand and it was the right shape and colour, so the plot thickens. | About the Author Brain Bne 1st January 2012 12:58pm #UserID: 6289 Posts: |
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BJ says... Just went out and had a look at my mango plants. noticed something strange about the new growth on the Alison Red KP - leaves only on one side of new flush, the other side has a bunch of inflorescences! Would that make it potentially a double cropper - summer and winter crops? Having KPs in winter would be nice... | About the Author BJ Brisbane 4th February 2012 9:49am #UserID: 3270 Posts: View All BJ's Edible Fruit Trees |
David says... BJ, talked to a phillipino gent the other day, he lives in carina, in his front yard there is a mango tree that has had fruit on it full size in june, this tree regularly reflowers if the first dosnt set, i asked if i could get some grafting material he said no problem, fruit is bowen shape but this tree out performs any others in brisbane ive seen. | About the Author David 4th February 2012 2:31pm #UserID: 1961 Posts: |
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Mike says... I ate 3 of them yesterday toget the seeds and they are exquisite with nam dok mai and okrung overtones and way better than KP hence the higher price.Chocadam and Sam rud du(thai 3 seasons) appear to be variations of the same thing. While they can have 3 crops a year the summer crop taste best.The single farmer near Mareeba growing them,Keow saweoy and nam dok mai is flourishing compared to the bowen and american style mango growers in the district. | About the Author Mike Cairns 12th February 2012 8:18am #UserID: 0 Posts: |