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Fruit trees and wind

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John starts with ...
I have a 2.5 acre block that sits near the top of a small hill north of Perth. I would love to plant some fruit trees to act as a wind break as the area can get quite windy. The soil is more clay then anything but I am trying to improve this. Has anyone got any ideas.
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Brad says...
hi John,
check out the very informative ag dept website and maybe consider getting them to test your block and advise you on it.

One idea to research might be olives
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Karen &amp; Paul says...
Our family have an Olive Grove in NZ. They are great to hedge and work well for this purpose however may not bear any fruit if they get hit with the winds around flowering time. After 5 years in the ground last season was going to be their first for fruit and all the trees showed great potential full of flowers, then the winds hit them hard and not one olive developed :-( Very disappointing. But if you want a nice looking hedge and aren't too fussed whether you get a crop go for it.
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9th May 2010 9:01pm
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John says...
A few olive trees might be a good idea. I would still like to get some olives though.
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Brad says...
John - you really need to provide more information to get better help. If you want to use plants as a wind break, you ideally want multistorey trees (large, midsize and understorey) that slow the wind but still let some through. The windbreak trees must be significantly higher than the height you want to 'shade' from the wind

Hot dry winds are different to winter stormy winds and come from different directions. Which are you exposed to? what time of year are the winds, compared to the time of year for flowering and fruit?

For garden style picking and home use you may be happy with a big mix of trees each giving lower yields. e.g. combine big nut trees, olives, citrus and tropicals (mangos, tamarind) in the windbreak

If you want to focus on production, you could plant non-edibles for a windbreak and have fruit plants in the sheltered side. I'd prefer you grew natives that provide habitat in this case. Beware of trees with huge root systems that impede planting elswehere

Google will provide loads of information on windbreaks
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amanda says...
Hi John, Brad is very spot on here. I have enormous problems with wind and to be honest - fruit trees as windbreaks is a really tough one. They are not the easiest trees to grow to start with - throw less than ideal conditions at them and they often struggle - thereby making a lot of extra work for you.

Eg - my mulberry tree is great at coping with the wind - but it is not thriving - the branches grow all wierd in the wind and thus it needs regular pruning to keep it growing properly. An early hot easterly fries all the fruit = no crop. Pests will tend to take advantage of fruit trees not thriving.

I can only think of Olives and I also have Kaffir Plum trees - you may get fruit on the leeward side.

If you mix natives with fruit trees u will need to modify your irrigation so that the natives get less and fruit trees more. Most natives are very good at searching for water and will likely rob your fruit trees of it (don't use acacias or eucalyptus). They also have very different fertiliser requirements.

If u go with natives or such - all is not lost - why not ones that flower at different times to attract the bees, birds and beneficial insects? Pollination and pest control! It has worked very well for me here. I can recommend grevillias, banksias and melaleucas - they all grow where u are. Olives, cottonwoods and Kaffir plums also grow very fast. Maybe try to get some nut trees going in amoungst them like pistachio, almond, chestnut and macadamia?
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Mr. Urban Orchard says...
i have many tree's ( all grafted ) from Daley's . I want to try my hand at budding or graftiing my own scion wood onto my compatible tree's ... anyone wanna trade budding wood from varieties like mandarin japanese (sutmatra) , kaffir lime , gala apple , apricot , kalamata olive etc... i can get more specific about exact variety later . I have nut and fruit trees ;) to be specific i need these varieties but i have everything else pretty much .

Looking for pistachio and pine nut ... both grafted if possible .
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hawkypork says...
gday John,

I researched the same thing for a southwest facing garden on a Freo ridge. One possibility not mentioned yet is feigoa, it is tough as nails.

I reluctantly came to the conclusion that needed to get a native screen established to shelter my fruit trees behind.
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ringelstrumpf says...
John, if you have 2,5 acres, wouldn't it be far easier planting a windbreak and the fruit trees behind the windbreak?
2,5 acres is not the tiny backyard were you try to squeeze something in.
I have planted some clumping bamboo as a windbreak (we're having only half acre), but only 2 month ago, so I can't tell you how they are going. (Greenpatch offers some fairly cheap).
You can eat the shoots if you like Chinese kitchen and you will need the garden stakes anyway.
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John says...
I have decided on a native wind break with a mix of small shrubs and trees. I hope that will bring in some wildlife and protect the fruit trees. Just have to work now on the heavy clay ground( my back is already killing). Thanks for everyones in put. It is quite daunting starting from scratch.
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BJ says...
Hi John, For a minute I thought you were in our Gin Gin and was going to reccommend a nearby nursery that has a good selection of natives, particularly syzygium satinashes, that would make a very nice forest that would cut down on wind, with half decent and interesting fruit to boot. But just realised you're in WA, so I guess I'll just have to wish you best of luck with it!

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Brad says...
interesting how old threads pop back to life. like a phoenix.

agree on feijoa - but they're vulnerable to fruit fly, so on a more rural block you wouldn't want to let them harbour the pests
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hawkypork says...
There is an Italian house on the corner of South Street and Wiluna Street, White Gum Valley, that has macadamias covered in nuts. And that is a windy spot.
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John says...
The storm that went through Gingin last Monday luckly did not cause to much damage to the trees. Most of the damage was caused by the water run off. Have to design my garden to also consider the run off now as well.
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amanda says...
Hi John - U should ask around town - as I see many lovely fruits that come from Gin Gin, being sold up here.
In my F&V shop there are Tamarillos, White Sapote, Feijoa, Dragon Fruit, Avocados, Sapodilla - all from Gin Gin. That's quite a nice selection - something must be good down there!?

I am going to ask my Fruiterier who the white sapote grower is down there - as I would like to find out how they grow them :)
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Brad says...
Yeah we got some rain erosion from that storm too
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Telly says...
Hi... im looking for some trees that windbreak fruit but not fruit trees because i am thinking of starting an orchard but don't know wether or not to get windbreak trees because when we have wind its gets strong and i don't know if small new fruit trees could handle this wind any suggestions???
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snottiegobble says...
Hi telly,where you are you should probably go for multi stemmed fast growing trees like melaleuca armiralis, or M. nesophila or even acacias, early black wattle, or cootamundra. It depends on the lay of the land/prevailing winds etc. If you have room the best windbreaks consist of 3 rows with small dense bushes at the front, medium to tall shrubs in the middle, & fairly dense trees at the back & Eucalyptus lehmanii comes to mind for this purpose.
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Julie says...
When I started my orchard I planted four tree lucerne (Tagasaste) around each fruit tree. I left them for a couple of years then removed them.

I had a mulcher at the time, and they made great compost. I was able to dig up seedlings from a neighbour, but it's fairly easy to grow your own from seed - they are fast growing, and add some nitrogen to the soil.
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Telly says...
Hi Snottiegobble, the area where the trees are surrounded by gum trees, a Eucalyptus and a fairly dense tree which has a shed behind it with a house... would this affect the windbreak trees performance with the obstacles around where I am thinking of planting the orchard. Or should I plant elsewhere where there is not as much obstacles (in the paddock for instance.) or should i keep it where i am planing the orchard...thanks Telly
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snottiegobble says...
The windbreak trees are only windbreaks when required so they will grow quite happily anywhere provided they are not in full shade & affected by the root systems of large trees. Of course if that was the case your orchard trees wouldnt grow well either!
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