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asder starts with ...
Flemings say that these two low chill cheries are to be made available only to commercial growers . Does anyone know different?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Back to Front Garden Centre in Tathra have them listed as a double grafted tree in their barerooted online catalogue
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Chris says...
Starkrimson is well worth planting. It fruits in Sydney (provided you are well away from the coast). A Flemings variety and self-pollinating.
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Nell says...
Hi, I rang Back to Front today and they don't have any (none in, didn't know they were supposed to get them or had them advertised). They were very helpful and suggested I call Flemings, which I did today.

Flemings have no more trees in stock (ie have sole out) and all of their available stock this year went to WA only.

A shame for those of us on the East waiting for them but I guess it is about time WA got something first.
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Brain says...
I just noticed Daley has bare rooted Minnie Royal and Royal Lee for pre-order. Of course such opportunities are too good to pass up, and I have my order placed.

I'm still not convinced that it's a worthwhile exercise for getting cherries in sunny - hot - Brisbane but as they say, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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sternus1 says...
I thought about it brain, but at that price its a spicy tamale. Brisbane gets around 300 hours in some places, apparently--but I don't buy that for 90% of Brisbane areas.And that's still 100 hours short of the bare minimum. Being generous, that's 300 hours of temperature of 7 C and lower. Maybe in stanthorpe, but Brisbane? I dunno.

I wonder if you could grow one in a pot, cover it with a plastic sheet and dump a couple of bags of ice under this and let it evaporate in a controlled environment and force it to break dormancy that way. I don't see why not.
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vlct says...
I've just made the purchase. pretty sceptical..
wait and see I guess .
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Brain says...
I live in suburbia, so my cherry trees are in pots. I've heard about the ice trick from the garden gurus but i'm not entirely convinced that it works.

The issue really is, as Brisbane is too warm, it really never enters dormancy. When it does, it's due to some other conditions (like drought, extreme heat) and when it breaks, it breaks at the wrong time.

Yes, the MR & RL plant is expensive but given it's 2 plant in one, licensed and the supply being limited, it's not too bad. Of course it will all be worth it when you taste your very own home grown cherries!

Alternatively, for less money, maybe consider getting a plant or two, i.e. Stella/Lapin/pretty gully.



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vlct says...
what size pot are you going to be using ?
or recommend ..
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sternus1 says...
Brain I can see the ice trick working indoors, but not if there's any sun involved (thermodynamics in a closed system and all that). I guess what you'd be aiming for ultimately is to keep as much cold in for as long as possible. One of those emergency insulating blankets would be better for the task than plastic.

I'm not convinced any true cherry will fruit in brisbane without intervention--not at 400 hours chill. Especially if the tree is surrounded by others in a microclimate. 7 c is about as cold as it ever gets in Bris, and there's not many of those mornings in a winter season--sure as hell not 400 hours worth, anyway. It almost never drops to that at nights.

Please post updates down the track, I hope I'm proven wrong as I'd kill to be able to grow cherries.
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BJ says...
400hrs is the highest estimate of chill for this plant. Most sites have 200-300 hrs listed and its been recorded as having fruited reasonably at under 100hrs. Plants needing 250-350 hrs have fruited well for me here, even when bud burst happened well before 100 hrs, so Im planning on giving them a shot. I'm more worried about other pests and fuguses (tip borers, weevils, fruit moths and the like) than chill.

As we enter an El Nino cycle we could be looking at colder winters for a few years anyways.
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sternus1 says...
By here do you mean ipswich or the ferny grove area? I can see ipswich getting there in terms of chill hours, but not the keperra/surrounding areas.

There's a frost trap in my paddock which might do, but it's pretty much a no-go because the horse will eat the fruit before I get to them, and in summer it will get cooked to death for shizzle.

The upside it you could keep one pretty small and just cover it with mozzie netting, which is cheap.I still think the ice trick might work.

Where these chill requiring plants cherries though? Because a lot of chill requiring stonefruit like plums and peaches will fruit with way, way less chill than advertised. This isn't true of cherries, they're less forgiving.
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Brain says...
If only I have an industrial size fridge ... lol.

I use 35/40 cm square pots at the moment. They are on dwarf rootstock and don't seem to be higher than 2m (incl pot). Width is about 1m. The pot is probably about 40/45cm deep but they don't seem to require the depth - fibrous roots. However, it's good to have some anchorage, as they tend to lob side over time.

I am really looking forward to my MR/RL. i've been waiting for a few years now.
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vlct says...
sounds good..
can't wait.
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sternus1 says...
No PBR I see....

Now I'm buying one.
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VF says...
Ok, you're all messing with my mind now. Cherries....only 200-300 chill hours? How big are the trees, or rather, how small can they be kept? How prone are they to fungal diseases in warm, humid climates? I'm sort of hoping you tell me bad things, as I don't know if I can squeeze one in (but now I want to).
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BJ says...
They apparently hate humidity in Sth Florida, but do well in central fFLA and Southern California. We honestly have no idea how they will react to NNSW or SEQ climates, but I'm happy to be among the first guinea pigs... The trees are supposedly easily kept at 8-10ft. They have been listed at 300-400hrs and 200-300 hrs by different folks, but also have been noted as having cropped with virtually no chill. So there are probably more things to consider than chill hours alone... Daleys lists both in their description...
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VF says...
Thanks BJ . Sigh... time to shuffle plants again and see what I can do space-wise.
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sternus1 says...
Well even though I've entered the minnie royal club, I still expect no fruit in brisbane. I really, really, really doubt it. Anecdotal evidence isn't worth anything. All chill hour maps show brisbane as having less than 300 hours, but this is very badly quantified from an average temperature sample. I have no idea why these sites insist on calculating data this way, it is very very stupid.


I'm yet to see any evidence of a true cherry fruiting without sufficient chill hours--and there's probably a good reason for that. The black sand cherry I have will fruit, but this isn't really up to the standard of commercial cherries.
Put it this way; if my black sand cherry doesn't fruit in brisbane, then the minnie royal has zero chance--and I'll know if that's going to happen this year. Worst case scenario I can graft the minnie to black rootstock and sell/trade them. Wouldn't have bought the minnie otherwise.
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BJ says...
I have paid more for bigger dissapointments, so it wont be a huge loss for me. I am not expecting them to fruit well here, but I'm prepared to be pleasantly surprised. At worst I'll plant them at my father's or grandparent's house, both of which are further west, and one in particular is in probably the perfect frost trap with great soil.

My words shouldnt be taken as those of a prosthetaliser. I'm sceptical about them fruiting here. I'm particualrly worried about the diseases and bugs that we have no idea about really as almost nobody grows cherries up here, and is why I turfed my peaches and nectarines (bar the SpiceZee), but I'm excited because the Zaiger crew are putting their powers into med-low-chill cherries and even if these dont work out for us, they may well come up with an even lower chill cherry in the future.
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Tommoz says...
BJ, you will indeed be pleasantly surprised. If you believe sternus that you can't grow cherry in 99% of Brisbane, than you'd be far too defeatist in your thinking.
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Tommoz says...
MR-RL will be the proof. You are the one who made the big claim, it is you who should be providing the proof. I'm being at least a bit more reserved.
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Brain says...
PBR is an aussie thing, I believe Flemmings pays royalties to the USA for the distribution rights. In fact, I believe the Fleming model of paying royalties for plant breeds is copied/adopted in the USA.

Studies have shown that cherries need the chill hours to properly fruit. So in essence, sternus is correct and I will also say, my Lapin, Stella and Simone have been a flop.

But with MR & RL needing 200-300 chill hours, then Brisbane/SE Qld might just make it. It really give us subtropical people hope, to achieve the impossible!

Anyway, it looks like daley may have sold out their allocation, the current web site shows 'notify me when available'. I hope they get more stock in for this winter for everyone who wants one.
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vlct says...
I'm going to prune it the Spanish bush style in a large container. keeping it head height it's going too be a breeze too harvest.
I wonder if bunnings will stock it soon as they use flemmings..
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sternus1 says...
It'll do ok for you I reckon V, better than any of us brisbanites I predict.
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BJ says...
D'oh!
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vlct says...
fn bull poo mate.. I'm shattered.
lookin forward too it. have the site ready and all..
what happened ?
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sternus1 says...
I cashed mine out for a picone rollinia and dwarf tangelo :D
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ivepeters says...
Extremely disappointed.
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sternus1 says...
Why are we all dissapointed? Is Daleys not shipping them or something?
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ivepeters says...
That's correct.
Supplier none available this season.
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sternus1 says...
So essentially Daleys flunked on their derivative, having already been payed, kept your money in their bank though effectively making money from nothing having provided no product of service whatsoever.

Sounds like my experience with paypal.
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MaryT says...
Why do you say that, sternus1? Is that your experience because that has never been mine. Daleys has never charged my credit card until they are ready to ship my order.
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sternus1 says...
They charged me before sending the minnie royal, I know this because they refunded me when I called them to change my order from the cherry to a picone rollinia and dwarf tangello.

Those pre-purchases aren't just put there for the customer's convenience or security.
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MaryT says...
Oh I see; you paid for a pre-purchase. I usually buy what is available.
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Brain says...
Lets all hope for next year! I too was so looking forward to mine! Tempted to write to flemings (supplier) for a please explain.

I recall they had stock issues some years back. Surely with such a demand and backlog, if i was a businessman, i would increase production and make sure stock reach the market and maintain reputation.

Aaaarrrrrrhhhhhhh!
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2 years in a row for me ..
u should email them..
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MaryT says...
A limited release have recreated a stronger demand so maybe that is the purpose: to charge more. Or they may have pressures from commercial growers; who knows.
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3 says...
I purchased one from a local nursery and they said that weather had wiped out a good number of trees so they were in short supply.
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Terrence says...
I don't know about that --haven't you noticed that when a shop does not have something they point to some outside agency as the cause . "Sorry , no skim milk today ; there is a bank holiday in Cairo"
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VF says...
Anyone within drive distance of Tamborine Mt (SEQld)really want MR/RL cherry tree???? There are 2 left (I just got one) at www.birchgrovenursery.com.au if you're keen. You can pay by credit card over the phone to reserve plant. They have been potted up so not cheap $89, but they are a decent size and nice shape. The nursery was kind enough to ring Flemings while I was there to see if they could get more, but no luck. Be quick as they're selling fast!
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JohnMc1 says...
After reading through the thread the MR/RL might be an excellent candidate for my area. We get down to 4C so I can't see why we wouldn't get 2-300 hours under 7.2.
There's four MR/RL trees at my local nursery after I bought mine. So anyone on the Central Coast near Wyee Nursery, go get 'em.
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Brain says...
I am tempted, but would prob wait another year for a cheaper bare rooted version.

But on ya vf, let us know how you go.
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VF says...
Thanks Brain, will keep an update going. I planted it yesterday, and pruned today according to Fleming's instructions - I nearly cried, as plant now looks very small. :(
JohnMc, I think you have an excellent chance with these cherries, hope you keep us updated too! ☺
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JohnMc1 says...
Will do VF, I've tried the rest with disastrous results. This tree has me quietly excited.
My nursery won't sell them bare rooted- they potted them up for a handsome profit, retail $70ea.
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Brain says...
just out of curiosity, which other cherries did you try John?
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JohnMc1 says...
I tried the two common vars that my local Bunnies sells, Lapins? and Stellar. They would probably work in a cold pocket locally, but I am slightly elevated so the cooler dense air drains away. I could have persisted, and they probably could have fruited in cooler years but they eventually died a natural death. Also tried a standard flowering cherry that did flower beautifully first season but it was all downhill from there.
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VF says...
Okay, now the cold/chill hour problem is not an issue with the MR/RL, I'm still going to have to deal with Westerlies and humidity (fungal issues). Wait and see now. A few km up the road, almost 100m elevation higher, some nice flowering cherries - hope that bodes well.
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Jason says...
I guess mango beside a cherry is a reality for those not in Adelaide now :).
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Tommoz says...
I have a MR/RL leftover due to a friend pulling out on me.
Also have a super-advanced Moorpark Apricot that's too high chill for me...
If you're interested email me:**removed**
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BJ says...
Tommoz, where'd you get the Royal tree?
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VF says...
Jason, I love the boundary pushing.... Jackfruit in Melbourne too. We're all trying for best of both worlds. :)
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tom7 says...
@BJ A kind employee at Flemings set aside a couple just for me. They had very few this year, some nurseries still got some, probably all sold out by now though.

My advanced Apricot (Moorpark) still available...
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Brain says...
Another year is upon us, 3 left in the pre order.

I think they may have gone up in price but if you really want one ... Act fast.

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sternus1 says...
I'm going to wait until you tell me they fruit in Brisbane brain.
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JohnMc1 says...
I'll certainly let you know how well they fruit on the NSW Central Coast when the time comes. Had the odd flower in it's first season.
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Brain says...
Well the US data show that its possible. But i would not hold my breath, lol.

The cold chill vars did flower on the odd occassions, so flowering is possible.

Lets not count the chickens yet, the egg has to hatch first, lol.
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ivepeters says...
Well mine has woken up.
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Markmelb says...
Have you see any flowers? Or maybe another year off? Should flower before leaves grow - I see some interesting cold weather to hit Central Qld this weekend - take your trees there for some extra chill - will be colder than Melbourne for a change :)
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ivepeters says...
Was in central oz, crispy there already.
Wouldn't expect it to flower just yet, prefer it to grow large and healthy till harvest day arrives in a couple of years, hoping.
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ivepeters says...
Assumed leaves were coming , stand corrected.
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sternus1 says...
Well, how about that.

You might make a liar of me with respect to my assertion that Cherries will never fruit in Brisbane, Ive. Been pretty brisk out my way the last few weeks and even got some crunchy frost last week in the bottom half of the paddock.
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ivepeters says...
Well, I wouldn't say it's a done thing. More than likely a carryover from being in a colder place before I got it here.
The real test will be next year. Then we can comment on the outcome.
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sandy31 says...
Just curious one Graft is more vigrous than other. Which is more vigrous royal lee or minni royal
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sandy31 says...
Frosty here in western sydney 2..3 times in a week but can see green tip. Looks like it's waking up
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Brain says...
I second Sandy's question, curious as to which graft is the bigger/thicker one Will have to keep an eye on it as to prevent one over taking the other.
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Markmelb says...
Very cute flowers ivepeters - hope you can show us some fruit in coming months?
As an example my compact stella (in a pot) took 3 years to hold a couple cherries - last year at 5 was about 10 and now 6 years old im hoping for a huge crop this year.
i have a Lapins i put in 2 years ago in ground - last year grafted Bing and Flemings White Dwarf? and this year Sunburst - Last year tasted 3 and this season has a more flower buds on so will get a taste - takes a few years :)
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allybanana says...
Low chill cherries at last in Eden a little problem with trees not overlapping that well with flowering times, but otherwise good, this year was colder than usual though.
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sandy31 says...
I got the answer now from Flemings which graft is which variety

"e; The only way you can tell is when they come into leaf. They will both have a serrated margin on the leaf, However, Minnie Royal will more heavily / more distinctly serrated with a slightly smaller leaf "e;
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allybanana says...
Thanks Sandy I had a look, I can see the differences. Minni Royal also breaks bud about 10 day earlier. On that note has anyone found a pollinator for the fist flowers of Minnie royal as most of the flowers open before the pollinator on my tree. Has anyone grown any seedlings from this pair, if you have I would be very interested in the outcome.

One could easily cull for the lowest chill of the seedlings by keeping those that break leaf bud first. Anyone keen to try this experiment?
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