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Nell says... Hi, I rang Back to Front today and they don't have any (none in, didn't know they were supposed to get them or had them advertised). They were very helpful and suggested I call Flemings, which I did today. Flemings have no more trees in stock (ie have sole out) and all of their available stock this year went to WA only. A shame for those of us on the East waiting for them but I guess it is about time WA got something first. | About the Author Nell2 Sydney 20th June 2012 8:30pm #UserID: 7034 Posts: 1 View All Nell2's Edible Fruit Trees |
Brain says... I just noticed Daley has bare rooted Minnie Royal and Royal Lee for pre-order. Of course such opportunities are too good to pass up, and I have my order placed. I'm still not convinced that it's a worthwhile exercise for getting cherries in sunny - hot - Brisbane but as they say, nothing ventured, nothing gained. | About the Author Brain Brisbane 5th April 2014 11:18pm #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
sternus1 says... I thought about it brain, but at that price its a spicy tamale. Brisbane gets around 300 hours in some places, apparently--but I don't buy that for 90% of Brisbane areas.And that's still 100 hours short of the bare minimum. Being generous, that's 300 hours of temperature of 7 C and lower. Maybe in stanthorpe, but Brisbane? I dunno. I wonder if you could grow one in a pot, cover it with a plastic sheet and dump a couple of bags of ice under this and let it evaporate in a controlled environment and force it to break dormancy that way. I don't see why not. | About the Author sternus1 Australia 6th April 2014 8:45am #UserID: 8314 Posts: 1318 View All sternus1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author vlct glenelg 6th April 2014 9:02am #UserID: 8152 Posts: 311 View All vlct's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... I live in suburbia, so my cherry trees are in pots. I've heard about the ice trick from the garden gurus but i'm not entirely convinced that it works. The issue really is, as Brisbane is too warm, it really never enters dormancy. When it does, it's due to some other conditions (like drought, extreme heat) and when it breaks, it breaks at the wrong time. Yes, the MR & RL plant is expensive but given it's 2 plant in one, licensed and the supply being limited, it's not too bad. Of course it will all be worth it when you taste your very own home grown cherries! Alternatively, for less money, maybe consider getting a plant or two, i.e. Stella/Lapin/pretty gully. | About the Author Brain Brisbane 6th April 2014 10:01pm #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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sternus1 says... Brain I can see the ice trick working indoors, but not if there's any sun involved (thermodynamics in a closed system and all that). I guess what you'd be aiming for ultimately is to keep as much cold in for as long as possible. One of those emergency insulating blankets would be better for the task than plastic. I'm not convinced any true cherry will fruit in brisbane without intervention--not at 400 hours chill. Especially if the tree is surrounded by others in a microclimate. 7 c is about as cold as it ever gets in Bris, and there's not many of those mornings in a winter season--sure as hell not 400 hours worth, anyway. It almost never drops to that at nights. Please post updates down the track, I hope I'm proven wrong as I'd kill to be able to grow cherries. | About the Author sternus1 Australia 7th April 2014 7:02am #UserID: 8314 Posts: 1318 View All sternus1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... 400hrs is the highest estimate of chill for this plant. Most sites have 200-300 hrs listed and its been recorded as having fruited reasonably at under 100hrs. Plants needing 250-350 hrs have fruited well for me here, even when bud burst happened well before 100 hrs, so Im planning on giving them a shot. I'm more worried about other pests and fuguses (tip borers, weevils, fruit moths and the like) than chill. As we enter an El Nino cycle we could be looking at colder winters for a few years anyways. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 7th April 2014 9:48am #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
sternus1 says... By here do you mean ipswich or the ferny grove area? I can see ipswich getting there in terms of chill hours, but not the keperra/surrounding areas. There's a frost trap in my paddock which might do, but it's pretty much a no-go because the horse will eat the fruit before I get to them, and in summer it will get cooked to death for shizzle. The upside it you could keep one pretty small and just cover it with mozzie netting, which is cheap.I still think the ice trick might work. Where these chill requiring plants cherries though? Because a lot of chill requiring stonefruit like plums and peaches will fruit with way, way less chill than advertised. This isn't true of cherries, they're less forgiving. | About the Author sternus1 Australia 7th April 2014 10:25am #UserID: 8314 Posts: 1318 View All sternus1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... If only I have an industrial size fridge ... lol. I use 35/40 cm square pots at the moment. They are on dwarf rootstock and don't seem to be higher than 2m (incl pot). Width is about 1m. The pot is probably about 40/45cm deep but they don't seem to require the depth - fibrous roots. However, it's good to have some anchorage, as they tend to lob side over time. I am really looking forward to my MR/RL. i've been waiting for a few years now. | About the Author Brain Brisbane 7th April 2014 10:46am #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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VF says... Ok, you're all messing with my mind now. Cherries....only 200-300 chill hours? How big are the trees, or rather, how small can they be kept? How prone are they to fungal diseases in warm, humid climates? I'm sort of hoping you tell me bad things, as I don't know if I can squeeze one in (but now I want to). | About the Author VF Wongawallan 7th April 2014 9:23pm #UserID: 6795 Posts: 736 View All VF's Edible Fruit Trees |
BJ says... They apparently hate humidity in Sth Florida, but do well in central fFLA and Southern California. We honestly have no idea how they will react to NNSW or SEQ climates, but I'm happy to be among the first guinea pigs... The trees are supposedly easily kept at 8-10ft. They have been listed at 300-400hrs and 200-300 hrs by different folks, but also have been noted as having cropped with virtually no chill. So there are probably more things to consider than chill hours alone... Daleys lists both in their description... | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 7th April 2014 9:30pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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sternus1 says... Well even though I've entered the minnie royal club, I still expect no fruit in brisbane. I really, really, really doubt it. Anecdotal evidence isn't worth anything. All chill hour maps show brisbane as having less than 300 hours, but this is very badly quantified from an average temperature sample. I have no idea why these sites insist on calculating data this way, it is very very stupid. I'm yet to see any evidence of a true cherry fruiting without sufficient chill hours--and there's probably a good reason for that. The black sand cherry I have will fruit, but this isn't really up to the standard of commercial cherries. Put it this way; if my black sand cherry doesn't fruit in brisbane, then the minnie royal has zero chance--and I'll know if that's going to happen this year. Worst case scenario I can graft the minnie to black rootstock and sell/trade them. Wouldn't have bought the minnie otherwise. | About the Author sternus1 Australia 8th April 2014 7:57am #UserID: 8314 Posts: 1318 View All sternus1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... I have paid more for bigger dissapointments, so it wont be a huge loss for me. I am not expecting them to fruit well here, but I'm prepared to be pleasantly surprised. At worst I'll plant them at my father's or grandparent's house, both of which are further west, and one in particular is in probably the perfect frost trap with great soil. My words shouldnt be taken as those of a prosthetaliser. I'm sceptical about them fruiting here. I'm particualrly worried about the diseases and bugs that we have no idea about really as almost nobody grows cherries up here, and is why I turfed my peaches and nectarines (bar the SpiceZee), but I'm excited because the Zaiger crew are putting their powers into med-low-chill cherries and even if these dont work out for us, they may well come up with an even lower chill cherry in the future. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 8th April 2014 9:55am #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... PBR is an aussie thing, I believe Flemmings pays royalties to the USA for the distribution rights. In fact, I believe the Fleming model of paying royalties for plant breeds is copied/adopted in the USA. Studies have shown that cherries need the chill hours to properly fruit. So in essence, sternus is correct and I will also say, my Lapin, Stella and Simone have been a flop. But with MR & RL needing 200-300 chill hours, then Brisbane/SE Qld might just make it. It really give us subtropical people hope, to achieve the impossible! Anyway, it looks like daley may have sold out their allocation, the current web site shows 'notify me when available'. I hope they get more stock in for this winter for everyone who wants one. | About the Author Brain Brisbane 8th April 2014 9:15pm #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... Lets all hope for next year! I too was so looking forward to mine! Tempted to write to flemings (supplier) for a please explain. I recall they had stock issues some years back. Surely with such a demand and backlog, if i was a businessman, i would increase production and make sure stock reach the market and maintain reputation. Aaaarrrrrrhhhhhhh! | About the Author Brain Brisbane 13th May 2014 8:28pm #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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VF says... Anyone within drive distance of Tamborine Mt (SEQld)really want MR/RL cherry tree???? There are 2 left (I just got one) at www.birchgrovenursery.com.au if you're keen. You can pay by credit card over the phone to reserve plant. They have been potted up so not cheap $89, but they are a decent size and nice shape. The nursery was kind enough to ring Flemings while I was there to see if they could get more, but no luck. Be quick as they're selling fast! | About the Author VF Wongawallan 27th June 2014 12:58pm #UserID: 6795 Posts: 736 View All VF's Edible Fruit Trees |
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JohnMc1 says... After reading through the thread the MR/RL might be an excellent candidate for my area. We get down to 4°C so I can't see why we wouldn't get 2-300 hours under 7.2. There's four MR/RL trees at my local nursery after I bought mine. So anyone on the Central Coast near Wyee Nursery, go get 'em. | About the Author JohnMc1 Warnervale NSW 27th June 2014 4:15pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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JohnMc1 says... I tried the two common vars that my local Bunnies sells, Lapins? and Stellar. They would probably work in a cold pocket locally, but I am slightly elevated so the cooler dense air drains away. I could have persisted, and they probably could have fruited in cooler years but they eventually died a natural death. Also tried a standard flowering cherry that did flower beautifully first season but it was all downhill from there. | About the Author JohnMc1 Warnervale NSW 29th June 2014 11:03pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Markmelb says... Very cute flowers ivepeters - hope you can show us some fruit in coming months? As an example my compact stella (in a pot) took 3 years to hold a couple cherries - last year at 5 was about 10 and now 6 years old im hoping for a huge crop this year. i have a Lapins i put in 2 years ago in ground - last year grafted Bing and Flemings White Dwarf? and this year Sunburst - Last year tasted 3 and this season has a more flower buds on so will get a taste - takes a few years :) | About the Author Markmelb MT WAVERLEY,3149,VIC 25th July 2015 6:14pm #UserID: 7785 Posts: 1192 View All Markmelb's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Thanks Sandy I had a look, I can see the differences. Minni Royal also breaks bud about 10 day earlier. On that note has anyone found a pollinator for the fist flowers of Minnie royal as most of the flowers open before the pollinator on my tree. Has anyone grown any seedlings from this pair, if you have I would be very interested in the outcome. One could easily cull for the lowest chill of the seedlings by keeping those that break leaf bud first. Anyone keen to try this experiment? | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 26th October 2017 10:21am #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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