Sturmer Pippin apple (forum)

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Sturmer Pippin apple is just ripening and ,if you don't know it, the Pippin is a smaller red apple with an outstanding taste- clean ,crisp and a tiny amount of acid. Recommended.

Time: 31st March 2012 2:01pm

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Amused says...
Good to know. I had Cox's Orange Pippin which is supposed to be notoriously fussy and, wouldn't you know it, it was the only apple tree I lost.

Time: 31st March 2012 9:12pm

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J says...
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Did you get a sturmer pippin to grow and ripen in Sydney? It's an apple I've been looking to grow because it stores so well.

Time: 1st April 2012 10:35am

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john says...
Yes, I grafted it from a community garden specimen. It's cols enough in the west.

Time: 1st April 2012 11:28am

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J says...
That's great to hear. I was initially looking at grafting granny smith on an existing espalier apple I've got growing but gs is tip bearing wanted a spur bearer that is late and stores well. I'm in the inner west so I suppose I'll get enough chill

Time: 1st April 2012 12:09pm

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john says...
Incidentally, Cox's grows here well enough but, in this climate, the taste is v. poor, not worth eating.

Time: 2nd April 2012 7:08am

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J says...
Yeah I had heard that cox would bear in Sydney but needed a cold winter to get good flavor. What other varieties do you grow? I've got a Rome beauty, jonagold and edible crab called huonville crab from a nursery in Tasmania and am looking to graft a couple more varieties onto them. Want to grow types that you don't get in the super market (jonagold being an exception).

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Time: 2nd April 2012 2:02pm

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john says...
Too many to name . Best to get scion from Comm Gardens and graft yourself. "Heritage " does not always mean "good". By the awy Jonagold is triploid with all that implies for fertilisation and tree size. It's huge.

Time: 2nd April 2012 3:13pm

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J says...
I knew that jonagold was triploid & pretty vigorous. Didn't realise that it grew that big. Bit of a worry. I had heard that the bottom layers of an espalier can become weak if they are not as vigorous as the upper layers. I was planning to graft less vigorous varieties onto the upper layers of my espaliers.
If you don't mind me asking if you are familiar with some of the varieties I am thinking of grafting could I get your oppinion on how they go in Sydney? I'm not all that familiar with community gardens don't believe we have any around where I live. Ok so my list includes esopus spitzenburg, Calville Blanc d'Hiver, golden Harvey, freyberg, kidds orange red, sweetman, and sturmer pippin.
I figure that will give me a good cross section of heritage and newer apples and ripening times.

Any experience you have with these would be great to know. Sorry about the essay length response.

J

Time: 3rd April 2012 7:11am

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john says...
My experience is soley with Golden Harvey and Sturmer. GH is a good apple ,large ,cooks well , not very pleasing to the eye ,though, as it is uniformly yellow green. The taste can be excellent. Where are you obtaining your apples from? The Katoomba Community Garden has about 30 apple varieties. Their success is,however, something this side of abysmal. If you want to see what you can do to stuff up perfectly good fruit,take a peek.

Time: 3rd April 2012 8:18am

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J says...
Wow haven't been up to katoomba for ages maybe 10 or so years. Didn't realise they had a community garden. If I do end up going that way in the future I'll have 2 have a look... Even if it is to learn what not to do.

Good to hear about golden Harvey. Definitely an apple that caught my eye but there is a lack of information on it. I bought my existing apples from a nursery in tas. Woodbridge. I believe it's come up in discussions on this forum before - I found them to be great. I was going to buy another variety from them this year and was either going to ask them if they sold scions or I was going to try these guys.
http://www.oak.org.au/our-businesses/grove-heritage-nursery/ again in Tasmania but have a huge range of scions you can buy.

Thanks a bunch for the golden Harvey info. Was hoping it grew in Sydney ok but was unsure

Time: 3rd April 2012 8:41am

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john says...
Woodbridge tends to be a bit pricey. I'd try Badger's Keep in Chewton, Vic. They have a huge variety of apples and a booklet that is the best I've seen on all aspects of growing apples.

Time: 3rd April 2012 12:35pm

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Chris says...
John,
What rootstock do you have your apples on? I was convinced to go with MM111, rather than the true dwarfing varieties. Copes better with my clay soil and handles the wet conditions better.
Time will tell whether they will take considerably longer than the dwarf rootstocks, as they are only 2 yr old trees.
J, apple trees grow well in Sydney. The big question is the quality of the fruit. Some apples develop better flavours with a good winter chill.
Looking to add a Lord Lambourne this winter. John, do you grow it?


Time: 3rd April 2012 2:14pm

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john says...
I have MM 111,too. The designation MM means it will have resistance(imperfect) to woolly aphid which can be a right royal pain. Some apples start producing in the 2nd year of planting. Dwarfing rootstocks,in contrast, need support and are susceptible to w. aphid. Better growing conditions are also required.
I don't know Lord Lambourne. Did he go to Eton,old chap.?

Time: 3rd April 2012 2:55pm

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john says...
Forgot to talk about flavour. Golden Delicious, Jonathan, Pink Lady are suberb ,no exageration . They are so good off the tree that people who have not tasted them as homegrowns are incredulous at the flavour.

Time: 3rd April 2012 2:59pm

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Chris says...
Like a good Braeburn myself, though my tree seems more susceptible to scab than others.
John, do you prune your trees to a good height or let them grow to 4m+ on the MM111?

Time: 3rd April 2012 4:31pm

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john says...
I take out the leading branch unless the tree lacks vigour. If you have a lot of apple trees for your own consumption you do not need to squeeze the most out of each tree. I might chop off a branch or two merely because I'm having trouble throwing a net over the tree.

Time: 3rd April 2012 5:06pm

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J says...
Hey Chris what types do you grow? Are you familiar with any of the varieties I listed?

Time: 3rd April 2012 8:20pm

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