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Cherimoya - Fino De Jete Seeds

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Klokanovic starts with ...
Hello all,

I managed to procure some Fino De Jete seeds from which I plan on germinating pretty soon here in Melbourne.

All literature that I have read talks about using the seedlings only as rootstock. My question is, do Fino De Jete seedlings not grow true to type?
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Jason says...
Fino seedlings are highly likely to be very good Cherimoyas, even a good change of being better than the parent especially for your local climate. I've heard some peoples 2nd and 3rd generation Fino seedlings taste like "strawberries" :0. Because Cherimoyas fruit so fast from seed so long as you have seed from a good tree it's more less pointless to grow grafted ones
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steven says...
Unfortunately/fortunately Jason seems to obtain better results from his seedlings than many others . My experience with cherimoya seedlings is ,sob, all bad; no fruit/2fruit max. 8years later.
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John Mc says...
I'm convinced the large 40/50yo Cherimoya tree that I have access to is a seedling, the fruit is not as good as I'm led to believe, actually it's only just edible. I read somewhere that the worst Cherimoya fruit is still better than the best Atemoya. Not applicable to seedlings that's for sure (Jason???). I can't wait till my four cv's are producing.
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Mike says...
I have heard from people the reverse that the worst atemoyas are like the best cherimoyas and also that cherimoyas should not be grown from seeds unlike sugar apples,atemoyas and sour sops.The best of the few cherimoyas I have tried seemed to be on par with African Pride atemoya by my reckoning.
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Jason says...
Mike the best Cherimoyas make Atemoyas look verrrrry very bad. But getting a good Cherimoya isn't anything easy because you need the just right climate which means 2000+ meters in the tropics, and there's no such a place in Australia to grow one on.

I certainly can't grow them to be very good tasting here. I mean.. I can get Fino to be maybe slightly better than an Atemoya in a good year but they should be so much better than that, Fino is a really classy Cherimoya and you should expect it to be outstanding if you have the right climate. Up in the mountains in Mexico probably 1 in ten seedlings are clearly better than Mangos or Lychees and about the best fruit you can ever taste. The worst of them are still pretty good in the right climate, these aren't seedlings from selected parents though. Everytime I've grown a seedling Cherimoya I've had flowers in the 3rd year and any time you have a flower on one of those you have a fruit if you get out and pollinate it.

In my Climate the variety "White" can not be made taste better than wet cardboard, it's really really reallly bad, in fact it struggles so much it refuses to finish making the seeds. Fino does much better and is pretty good tasting but nothing like it should be.

People further north have told me cherimoyas don't taste any good much further North than the mountains in Northern NSW but they said they were better than Atemoyas in that area. I always felt the ideal climate in Australia is probably Southern NSW in Eden or maybe in the lower altitudes of the blue mountains outside Sydney.

Of course it's all a bit subjective because a very good Cherimoya has to be a little bit acidic and "fizzy" like Sherbet to bring out the complex flavours. A good Cherimoya can taste like pineapple, banana, strawberries and general fruit salad with a bit of sherbet on top all at once :0, People in the tropics are adapted to much sweeter flavours which temperate folk do not enjoy, so it's not going to be the same deal for both tropical and temperate people
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John Mc says...
So far, I agree. Some of my seedlings that I grew from Atemoya (African Pride) have reverted back to Cherimoya so I'll be using them as rootstocks.
Actually, one of my grafted African Pride trees has a Cherimoya branch comming up from below the graft. I'm tempted to leave it on till I taste the fruit.
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allybanana says...
Ahh i hope your right Jason about eden being good for cherimoya, hopefully in a few years i can let you know. there are three diggers seedlings locally i got for friends on their way. I'm ordering a big buy from tree growers of grafted varieties. About a dozen people are part of the buy and so there will be a lot in the area to compare microclimate.

John Mc I would leave the branch on and managed, until curiosity is satisfied.
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steven says...
Allybaanana, you're in for a disappointment with Tree Growers. They don't deliver on promises; but their excuses are wonderful.
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Jason says...
allybanana, you should be able to tell pretty quickly how well suited the climate is just by the way they are growing
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Klokanovic says...
Thanks for all the responses folks.

I planted 5 of the seeds. Soaked them in water until they dropped to the bottom of the glass (took about 48 hours) and then placed them about an inch down..2 in seedling soil and 3 in a peat moss/propogation sand mix.

Time will tell if they germinate..the weater is quite warm down in Melbourne at the moment.
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klokanovic says...
So it's been 4 weeks even since I planted the 5 seeds and no love has come my way...no tap root...nothing. So I tried to dig out the seeds from three of the plantings and couldn't even locate the seed. No shell, nothing - as though I never planted the things.

The pots were in a glasshouse, so it's not as though birds had taken them....very strange.

All the other vegetables I planted at the same time came up beautifully.
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Carl76 says...
So guys, it's been a few years, what is the best tasting cherimoya cv out there ?
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allybanana says...
It depends on personal taste, they have different characteristics, I have only tried a very small range of cultivars.

A tree ripened Forbidden fruit is not bad, like a very sweet atamoya in flavor but thin skin and handles poorly. Fino is good with some fresh vanilla especially if not fully ripe unless you like heavy liquorish tones. Sophia is a light refreshing flavor and has great fresh vanilla tones but needs good sunlight and warmth to be sweet and requires hand pollination. Fino is the most reliable in Eden, flowers that opened from December to Jan, ripened fruit late Autumn all through winter and are still ripening, all of good quality. Forbidden fruits appears less happy with cold weather, this winter slowed it down. My son's favorite is the fruit of a diggers seedling grown by a friend, but I would say Fino is first for myself but FF ripens later, extends the crop and is also good. I also found if I nipped of the terminal buds in summer both fino and Sophia sent out more flowers, these produced very late fruit.
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Carl76 says...
Thanks for the review, helps greatly.
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Markmelb says...
I got to taste my Camper this year (i dont think its the improved one) it was the best Cherimoya ive tasted so far and was almost as good as a red sugar apple I tasted last year. My Whites wasnt that good last few years and because its not so cold tolerant as Camper and FdJ i might stop growing it. I have Sophia seedlings and a Giant Cherimoya not fruited yet so maybe they could hold one this year. I still have 2 Paxtons and 3 Pinks still hanging on for new leaves to push so hope they dont fall off as yet. Pic is of Camper but got a bit bigger than this.
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Carl76 says...
Mark
The giant cherimoya is a Rosa, right ?
Have you tried the forbiddenfruits one ?
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Markmelb says...
No idea Carl re Giant Cherimoya but as soon as i get it to pollinate and have some fruits will put up some pics -
Some FF cherimoyas are now here in Melbourne so hope to multigraft & taste in next few years? Need a warm spot for the FF as it has larger leaves than even FDJ and less cold tolerant as is likely a hybrid of Aytemoya/Cherimoya?
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allybanana says...
I am curious how the giant Rosa seedlings will go, if you want size, Forbidden Fruits also gets Pretty big. I got a Forbidden fruits, fruit over 1.3kg, I let it ripen on the tree and brought it into work, a Malaysian staff said it was the best custard apple she has tasted in her twenty years in Australia. It was very juicy and sweet.
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ivepeters says...
Anyone ever have a spare ff ? Would be interested in one.
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JohnMc1 says...
Hi Ivepeters, Are you chasing a FF cherimoya fruit? I have some beautiful large FF fruit on the tree if you want to try one? Happy to send it up while hard, will soften in a few days. Payback lol.
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ivepeters says...
Thanks for the offer John.
Would you think they grow true from the seeds ?
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JohnMc1 says...
I know they can be quite variable. There has been some advanced Cherimoya trees around here that produces inedible fruit. I just use them for rootstock.
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