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HI,
Just wondering if anyone has eaten or even grown those Japanese grapes that taste so grapey they are almost fake. I had them in Japan a few years ago but have never seen them since and can only assume they aren't grown here?
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jakfruit etiquette says...
If you mean the Japanese round black grapes, the main var. is called Kyoho,they are in research collections and with private growers.
If you google.au search, you will find info.
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Lissa says...
They sound interesting.
A search didn't turn up a supplier of stock in Australia. Do you know if they sell the plant here at all (and where)?
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Gus says...
Haven't seen them anywhere but Japan. The fruit is like nothing I have tasted before, almost artificial tasting from memory.
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Lissa says...
http://www.theproducehunter.com/Newsletter.asp This is the only source I can find and I suspect he's in America. Have sent him a query all the same.
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Gus says...
Will be interesting to see if he replies. I think that is an American site though.
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Lissa says...
Hi Gus. No response from the Produce Hunter.
I only have room (?) for one grape and now sort of have my heart set on this one. Human nature, I want what is hard to get.
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gus says...
I just returned from Japan a week ago and tried them again. I think they are great. The skin is fairly thick and a bit sour, but it is easy to deskin them in your mouth and suck down the sweet centre. the Japanese don't eat the skin and most of the grapes have no pips. These greapes are very expensive to buy, like ten dollars for a little punnet. I brought in a cutting and declared it, but of course customs wouldn't let it through. I thought it was worth a try though.
I would love to grow these grapes too, although based on the extortionate price and the freezing winter that Japan has, perhaps our environment isn't suitable, or perhaps they are very hard to grow?
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amanda says...
These sound like a type of muscat?
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jakfruit etiquette says...
Muscat?? I can see what you mean, but the taste is closer to some of the black wine grapes, which apart from small size and seeds, are nice to eat
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amanda says...
Muscat grapes are used to make dessert wines :) They are very sweet and "grapey" - my favourite grape. The skin is quite tough so you can squeeze the jelly like insides straight into your mouth.....delicious.

I have a white italian muscat and a black (wortley hall) muscat - they do quite well here by the coast. They are grown the world over - but getting varieties in Aust might be tough :-(
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gus says...
I don't think muuscat like humid weather though, and Japan has a very humid summer. I have never had a muscat before, can you buy the fruit in Perth?
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amanda says...
I would say so gus - you may need to do some research. I am right near the ocean so it gets pretty humid here at times - mine grow very well.

There's probably some lovely old varieties of grapes in many backyards (thanks to our Italian immigrants from way back) Wandering down the old dunny-cart laneways in places like West Leederville and areas of Wembley and Freo - and checking out the ovewrhanging fruit trees can be a voyage of discovery! :)
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Lissa says...
Just checked out Daley's bare root grape stock and not one of them seems suitable to Brisbane's humid summer.
Any suggestions?
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John Mc says...
Muscadines would suit Brisbane nicely.
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Lissa says...
Daleys are now selling a Chambourcin grape which they say is suitable for my area. Trouble is, postage costs more than the plant:

A hybrid wine grape that is well suited to coastal climates. The black fruit is medium to large with excellant tolerance to Downey Mildew. Good table variety for backyards in humid climates, heavy cropper of rich flavoursome grapes when left to fully ripen on vines.

Comments (1)NEW | 140mm | $12.90 AU | Approx. 5 in stock
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Lissa says...
Ahh, bought one anyone and added an Orange Tamarillo as I grow the red ones easily and would like to try them.
Quite easy to grow from seed once you have one.
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Dennis says...
I've had them Kyoho grapes a couple of years ago in Perth. There is a private grower in Swan Valley in WA. Here is the contact:

Bella Ridge Estate
78 Campresic Road
Herne Hill WA 6056
Australia
Tel.: 08 9250 4962
Fax: 08 9246 0244

I had them a couple of years ago, so I'm not sure if they still grow them. They're a bit more expensive but they are well worth the price.
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Dennis says...
Ah and here are a few links about their wines from Kyoho grapes.

http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/wine-luver/article?mid=10651

http://www.rayjordanwineandfood.com/category_info.php?cPath=1318
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Lissa says...
Small backyard with only room for one grape...even then it's a pinch lol. I just keep adding things, but thank you for the contact info.

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The poster formerly known as... says...
I managed to get a Kyoho plant a few months back and tried it here. It doesn't seem too bad with disease, but I don't have enough sunny spots left for it. Anyone want to have a shot?
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jakfruit etiquette says...
Maybe? How big is the plant? Still in a pot?
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allybanana says...
I would also be intrested even a cople of Mature nodes I can strike when someone prunnes. Have much to swap.
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bimbadeen says...
Hello! Would Kyoho be suitable for Hobart - winters do get a little bit cold here. I'd be interested in obtaining cuttings. Thanks!
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jakfruit etiquette says...
Im pretty sure Kyoho is/was grown in Tas, so could be available. For export to Japan they were tried in a greenhouse for best quality fruit. Winter should be fine in Tas but summer much more hotter+humid in Japan. I'm sure you could set up some protection for a few vines.
Try to google Kyoho Tasmania, quite a few results.
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bimbadeen says...
Thanks for the info!
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gomes says...
looking always for something unique.
i wonder if would be possible for someone to post me some cuttings of this vine? plz
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