Bean/pea identification (forum)

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Hi all,

I bought this plant from a Sunday market with no label from a Thai lady and was told it is originally from Thailand and will produce pods of kind of bean/peas. If you know the name please let me know.

Many thanks in advance.

PS: Leaves look like tamarind but do not have the sour taste and smell a bit like water mimosa when crushed.
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Time: 7th February 2010 7:21pm

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Violet_Cactus says...
Hi Nguyet,

Could it be Sesbania grandiflora, the Hummingbird Tree? Also known as so dua?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesbania_grandiflora



Time: 8th February 2010 1:19pm

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Speedy says...
Maybe its what's known in Thailand as 'Kra-thin' (Leuceana leucocephala)?
Small, fast growing tree, grows lots of pods (about 15cm long) sort of in bunches.
They taste a bit 'garlicky'.
young leaves can be eaten as well.

also known in Philippines as 'Ipil ipil'
and Indonesia as 'Lamtoro'

Thats what it looks like to me.
It's still only a young plant so that's only a tentative answer atm.

Time: 8th February 2010 5:22pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Many thanks Violet_Cactus and Speedy. Much appreciated. It is a bit hard to tell now without flowers or fruits. I will give you an update of the progress.

Time: 9th February 2010 8:51am

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Speedy,

I confirmed with the Thai lady in Springvale and yes you are right about this plant. It a Katin plant. She has about 10 plants some as tall as 2 meters. I am surprised to see them thrive in Mebourne.

Time: 20th February 2010 4:12pm

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speedy says...
They're originally from the Americas.
I have a tall growing species (L.esculenta?) from Yucetan, Mex. where it's known as 'Guaje' and is eaten there.
I grew them from seeds about 20yrs ago and have done ok in our climate, which is harsher than Melbournes climate.

Time: 23rd February 2010 9:36am

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speedy says...
I also have seedlings of 'Khatin', germinated about 2weeks ago.

Time: 23rd February 2010 9:38am

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Speedy,

If I knew you want one I would have bought one for you. It was only $4 BTW.

If I see them again, would you be interested?

What part of the tree do you cook or eat?

According to Wiki:
The seeds contain mimosine, an amino acid known to be toxic to non-ruminant vertebrates.

I am a bit worry about this bit.

Time: 23rd February 2010 9:51am

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speedy says...
Thanks Jujube , but I have plenty of seed I collected from NNSW.

Re: eating the pods, many foods have traces of toxins that are easily handled by the body, or are denatured with cooking or some other preparation, some have medicinal effect in the appropriate dosage etc.
Khatin would only comprise a small part of a meal with many other vegetables, and is used for it's flavour as much as being a vegetable.

I think the immature pods are eaten mainly with Nam Prik (kind of chilli paste or sauce) and Khao niao (sticky rice).

I have a friend close by here who is Thai Isan ( from NE Thailand) where lots of tree and forest products are used as food,
many of which are unknown or not used in the rest of the country.
I'm growing some for her and she doesn't know i have them yet,
so she'll be happy to share recipes and preparation details and I'll pass them on to you.

Time: 23rd February 2010 12:53pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Speedy,

Many thanks. I am looking forward to some recipes you may have in the future.

Time: 24th February 2010 10:42am

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snow says...
This plant looks like a Tamrind that I have growing at present and mine is about two meteres tall but no fruit as yet, if you taste a leave it should be acid/tart.
good luck
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Time: 25th February 2010 4:16pm

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spike says...
Yes it is Khatin from Thailand. I brough seeds back from Thailand in May planted about 30 in pots in the greenhouse 8 have germinated in about 5 weeks. Spike

Time: 30th June 2010 7:21pm

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plant lover says...
Hi,
I was looking for a place to buy this plant everywhere in Melb and luckily found a hint from this forum. Can you tell me where about in Springvale you bought this and whether you saw it again recently.
Many thanks.

Time: 20th June 2011 12:28pm

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Mike says...
It is luecaena leucocephala (Mexican miracle tree) and I presume the big form.It promised unlimited cattle fodder,fuel wood,fitewood soil nitrification throughout many poor soil areas.It grows between 2 and 20m and seeds stay viable in soil for 10 years. The green seeds and even young foliage are valued in SE Asia and collected around towns throughout Qld also.It has a sinister side and become one of the world's worst weeds although still planted planted for cattle in australia australia. Hawaii and Taiwan as well as many parts of qld are regretting bringing this plant in.From this PC I can see a few ferals of it and I pull seedlings out of the garden.

Time: 20th June 2011 4:18pm

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amanda says...
Yes - it produces a huge quanitity of seed if you don't chop flowers off - makes a great chop n drop plant green manure plant though.
I have two - it's too dry for any of the seeds to germinate and get going...(luckily - as I didn't know what it was when I planted it...oops..but they came from a fete I went to)

It's also called tree lucerne?

Time: 20th June 2011 4:42pm

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Mike says...
They also have 2ndary plant metabolites that cause horses hair to fall out and cows to have problems if the eat too much.They can't be declared a pest plant in queensland easily because cows eat them (same as guinea grass).

Time: 20th June 2011 5:25pm

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Julie says...
Tree lucerne is a different plant amanda - Tagasaste (Chamaecytisus palmensis). Don't think there are any problems with animals eating it, in fact sheep thrive on it.

It is a good source of quick-growing mulch.

Time: 20th June 2011 7:34pm

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amanda says...
Yes Julie u are right (very unpronouncable name!? :) - it doesn't always grow too well here...as with this plant above..) It's interesting tho - many ruminants guts will often adapt to alternative fodder over time/lack of an alternative...salt bush is a good eg.

As for "weeds" - I often think back to Rev's comments (shame he is not around anymore..?) on some introduced spp. The worlds flora and fauna is undergoing constant change (and we cannot stop it now..)....it may be a case of survival of the fittest in many cases perhaps...?

Time: 20th June 2011 9:13pm

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Mike says...
Introduced species don't have their controls with them so get a huge advantage.Pond apples take over melalueca swamps here and melaluecas return the favour in Florida.The human induced changes and spread had no parellel in prior history.The fittest will always be the Eucalypt in Africa the black rat in Perth or the cane toad in Darwin.

Time: 20th June 2011 11:19pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi plant lover,

In Summer you may find Khatin from the Thai ladies in Wantina Sunday market. The ones that sell Asian pot plants like chili, herbs and house plants, you ask she will bring them in.

Good luck.

Time: 21st June 2011 7:39am

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