grumichama

HappyEarth says...
I hope it was worth the wait :) How big is your grumichama tree at the moment?

Rich
www.happyearth.com.au

kert says...
My tree is 1.3 metres tall. I endorse your observations about the size of the seed; will add that Eugenias in general are pretty ordinary as fruit goes.

Kert says...
Thanks for the advice. In picture 2 is that a child's finger? Always helps in fruit photos when maximizing apparent size.

Jantina says...
When I blew that picture up you can see it is definitely an adult finger kert. If you find an Oz source of muscadine seed I would be interested too. Thanks Jantina

Adam says...
Kert Australia has a multi-billion dollar wine industry, which is the livelihood on many people. Movement of potentially dieseased material is restricted both within Australian and in the case of material from overseas to protect this industry.

The Aquis site is very clear on what can and can't be imported and and has a large section on the importation of material via the internet. It is up to the importer to organise themselves if they want to bring material into the country.

kert says...
Adam, You will notice on the Aqis site that abot 12 different Vitis spp can be imported but not Vitis rotundifolia. There is no explanation for this ommission, leaving one to believe that it is capricious . When exercising authority it behoves officials to explain themselves lest they be suspected of being obstructive boofheads.

Adam says...
As the Aqis site mentions, if you can't find the item yoy are interested in importing on the ICON site then contact them.

Adam says...
Exactly. Hobbyist should not be putting the Australian horticultural industry, not to mention the native flora, at risk on a whim. If you want something that badly then either pay for it to go through quarantine or try to get a commercial supplier interested enough to do it for you.

Adam says...
The fact that there are Muscadine grapes (of one strain, there are numerous others) are in the country is irrelevant to the issue of importation of new material. There is plenty of Shiraz in the country, yet there are restrictions on the movement of grape vine material within the country. Ditto citrus.

I'm not unsympathetic to the wish to bring in new and interesting plants. I'm interested in citrus and Australia has a very restricted range of citrus compared to Europe or the USA. As far as I can tell there are no true Seville Orange in Australia. It would be a matter of moments to get friends in the UK to send me material.

However, my interest in citrus is a hobby and I'm not about to risk other peoples livelyhood, no matter how small the risk.

peter says...
kert,
as i have mentioned daleys have the
small seedy muscadine grape in production which you are already
growing. they also have a tab under
muscadine rotundifolia which they are
seeking propogation material for.
what variety of rotundifolia are you
trying to get and would plants be
available any where in australia.

do you know weather they would
grow and fruit in adelaide.
what about in a glass house.

would you know of any red wine made
from the muscadine grape is available
in oz.

John says...
Yes and no. try www.aqis.gov.au/icon and do an ICOn search.

hter is a bit of a knack in reading the
files but it's not that hard.

The is an expert at AQIS called Simon McKirdy, ring AQIS Canberra and speak to him.

kert says...
Did search . No result for Vitis rotundifolia. A reflexive acceptance of authority is not what it is about in democracies. If you want to know why Asian societies have taken a different trajectory to the West you could start with just such an inculcated attitude of unthinking obedience to any one with a title or a peaked hat

Kath says...
a photo of a grumichama I found on the net-anyone have a cose-up?

Pictures - Click to enlarge
Picture: 1

Mary Krismis says...
To DEKKA... mate : Kert is making a valid comment.
So "...you might take time to reflect upon the validity of attacking those who may have a differing opinion to your own".
Were you born in Newcastle?
And lived there all your life?
Have you never left home and travelled alone in other countries...mate?
It's time to get '...up to speed...' then.

Lynn says...
Hi, I've just planted a Grumichama so very interested to read of others' experiences. I can't help thinking that being seed grown probably accounts for much of the variation mentioned. Regarding the paucity of fruit set maybe a clue lies in the soils they originally developed in. The Grumichama is from Brazil, south-east I think so very nutritious soils in many cases. They have been seen to do well in both well drained soils and also on the deep clays in Cuba. Has anyone tried withholding nitrogenous fertiliser and applying phosphate and potassium to encourage fruit set. I would be very interested to know.
Kind regards, Lynn