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kert starts with ...
After 12 year wait my black grumichama has fruited ;v.good taste but fruit is only 1cm diametre . Is there hope for something bigger in the future?
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23rd December 2008 3:24pm
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HappyEarth says...
I hope it was worth the wait :) How big is your grumichama tree at the moment?

Rich
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23rd December 2008 4:05pm
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Mike says...
My tree is about 20+ years old and maybe 4m tall. From being a very profilic bearer in early years it is now only spasmodic.

The fruit was initially smaller, about 1.5cm diameter, and very sweet. Now it is larger and does not have the sweetness that it used to have. It is such a spasmodic fruiter that it is now more decorative than bearing, so much so that I am thinking of removing it and replacing it with something else that bears more consistently. The other thing I have found with the fruit is that the seed is large with very little flesh to enjoy.
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23rd December 2008 5:26pm
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kert says...
My tree is 1.3 metres tall. I endorse your observations about the size of the seed; will add that Eugenias in general are pretty ordinary as fruit goes.
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24th December 2008 12:50pm
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Bazza says...
Kert,
My Black Grumachama has been in ground for 8 yrs and is fruiting for the third timem My White Grumachama (Lemon & Larger Fruit) has been in for 5 yrs and fruiting for second time. Twelve yrs seems excessive so may i suggest you try the "Tom Wyatt" mixture to feed the roots before trying a more drastic "remedy". Two parts "Blood&Bone" to One part each of "Potash" and "Magnesium Sulphate". I applied the mix to all my 50 trees in August and i am quite sure it was successful for the Canistel and Madrono fruiting for the first time after 3 yrs in ground.

All The Best Bazza (bazza66@tpg.com.au).
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24th December 2008 1:57pm
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Kert says...
Thanks for the advice. In picture 2 is that a child's finger? Always helps in fruit photos when maximizing apparent size.
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kert says...
I tried to buy some muscadine grape seeds on eBay ,sourced from the great USA. Everything went well til quarantine seized it because it was not on their list of permitted imports . Naturally , there was no explanation given ?weed potential ?disease and I am left with the impression of boof-headed beaurocracy. Tell me it is not so or where you can get muscadine in Australia. The muscadine sounds v. worthwhile and does not have the mildews that plague our grapes
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Jantina says...
When I blew that picture up you can see it is definitely an adult finger kert. If you find an Oz source of muscadine seed I would be interested too. Thanks Jantina
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Jantina
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25th December 2008 10:53am
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peter says...
daleys have muscadine grape in production.
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25th December 2008 11:28am
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Adam says...
Kert Australia has a multi-billion dollar wine industry, which is the livelihood on many people. Movement of potentially dieseased material is restricted both within Australian and in the case of material from overseas to protect this industry.

The Aquis site is very clear on what can and can't be imported and and has a large section on the importation of material via the internet. It is up to the importer to organise themselves if they want to bring material into the country.
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Adam
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Bazza says...
Kert,
The figer belongs to this 68 year old Grandad just attempting to show a few of the ripening Grumachama.

All The Best Bazza
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26th December 2008 3:01pm
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kert says...
Adam, You will notice on the Aqis site that abot 12 different Vitis spp can be imported but not Vitis rotundifolia. There is no explanation for this ommission, leaving one to believe that it is capricious . When exercising authority it behoves officials to explain themselves lest they be suspected of being obstructive boofheads.
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27th December 2008 6:22am
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kert says...
Thanks, Peter. As Daleys description says their muscadine is small and seedy( I am alredy growing it). Americans have what appears to be some really good black muscadines but they do not seem to be here.
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kert
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27th December 2008 6:29am
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Adam says...
As the Aqis site mentions, if you can't find the item yoy are interested in importing on the ICON site then contact them.
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Kirt says...
Yo,and pls. enclose $500 for their attention; not practical for a small time amateur.
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Adam says...
Exactly. Hobbyist should not be putting the Australian horticultural industry, not to mention the native flora, at risk on a whim. If you want something that badly then either pay for it to go through quarantine or try to get a commercial supplier interested enough to do it for you.
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Anonymous says...
Adam, Muscadine grapes are already in Australia : the Australian horticutural industry has not been brought to its knees. Peole in authority need to be challenged to explain themselves ; it is not "tremble and obey" Yet.
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Adam says...
The fact that there are Muscadine grapes (of one strain, there are numerous others) are in the country is irrelevant to the issue of importation of new material. There is plenty of Shiraz in the country, yet there are restrictions on the movement of grape vine material within the country. Ditto citrus.

I'm not unsympathetic to the wish to bring in new and interesting plants. I'm interested in citrus and Australia has a very restricted range of citrus compared to Europe or the USA. As far as I can tell there are no true Seville Orange in Australia. It would be a matter of moments to get friends in the UK to send me material.

However, my interest in citrus is a hobby and I'm not about to risk other peoples livelyhood, no matter how small the risk.

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Adam says...
Kert I don't think that this is the time of place for abuse is it. It just isn't very nice, productive and to be frank it doesn't do you any favours.

One reason why Muscadine grapes in general (there are many strains) are likely to be restricted is because of there species and where they come from. Basically this grape type is is in an area where Pierce’s Disease found. Vitis rotundifolia is resistant, but can habour 20x more of the bacteria involved (so it can act as a reservoir). It is a serious disease and one reason why wine is not produced in otherwise suitable regions in the USA.

It doesn't matter that a muscadine exists in Australia, in terms of new material each new item represents a potential risk and would have to be screened.
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peter says...
kert,
as i have mentioned daleys have the
small seedy muscadine grape in production which you are already
growing. they also have a tab under
muscadine rotundifolia which they are
seeking propogation material for.
what variety of rotundifolia are you
trying to get and would plants be
available any where in australia.

do you know weather they would
grow and fruit in adelaide.
what about in a glass house.

would you know of any red wine made
from the muscadine grape is available
in oz.
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kert says...
Does Pierces disease transmit by seed and does this disease affect Vitis spp allowed into australia by Aquis? If the answer is "no "and "yes" respectively then I'll label your response as a variety of pseudo-profundity;
none of this detracts from my earlier argument that we are entitled to an explanation from Aquis .
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kert
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John says...
Yes and no. try www.aqis.gov.au/icon and do an ICOn search.

hter is a bit of a knack in reading the
files but it's not that hard.

The is an expert at AQIS called Simon McKirdy, ring AQIS Canberra and speak to him.
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John says...
HAd a look at ICOn myself, the following a re carried ex USA on seed.

Thus AQIS have explained themselves.

Arabis mosaic nepovirus’ (ArMV), ‘Blueberry leaf mottle nepovirus’ (BLMV), ‘Grapevine Bulgarian latent nepovirus’(GBLN), ‘Peach rosette mosaic nepovirus’ (PRMN), ‘Raspberry ringspot nepovirus’(RpRSV), ‘Strawberry latent ringspot nepovirus’(SLRSV), ‘Tomato blackring nepovirus’(TBRV), ‘Tomato ringspot nepovirus’ (ToRSV) and ‘Tobacco ringspot nepovirus’ (TRSV).
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kert says...
Did search . No result for Vitis rotundifolia. A reflexive acceptance of authority is not what it is about in democracies. If you want to know why Asian societies have taken a different trajectory to the West you could start with just such an inculcated attitude of unthinking obedience to any one with a title or a peaked hat
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Dekka says...
But Kert, what we'd really like to know is if Chairman Mao produced a good crop of Rhubarb?
How about we stick to gardening, eh mate? There are other forums where you can impart your views on politics, culture, creed, and racial generalisms.
Oh, and since you are so up to speed with the principals of democracy, you might take time to reflect upon the validity of attacking those who may have a differing opinion to your own.
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Kath says...
a photo of a grumichama I found on the net-anyone have a cose-up?
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Count Mein says...
TO KATH :
That image is a daley's label.
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Mary Krismis says...
To DEKKA... mate : Kert is making a valid comment.
So "...you might take time to reflect upon the validity of attacking those who may have a differing opinion to your own".
Were you born in Newcastle?
And lived there all your life?
Have you never left home and travelled alone in other countries...mate?
It's time to get '...up to speed...' then.
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Patricia says...
Dekkas comment and question is away from the author's question so it is better asked as a new topic.
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Lynn says...
Hi, I've just planted a Grumichama so very interested to read of others' experiences. I can't help thinking that being seed grown probably accounts for much of the variation mentioned. Regarding the paucity of fruit set maybe a clue lies in the soils they originally developed in. The Grumichama is from Brazil, south-east I think so very nutritious soils in many cases. They have been seen to do well in both well drained soils and also on the deep clays in Cuba. Has anyone tried withholding nitrogenous fertiliser and applying phosphate and potassium to encourage fruit set. I would be very interested to know.
Kind regards, Lynn
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Sandy says...
I have just ordered a yellow one and I am very excited about my new garden which we won't have till November. My thought is to have all of my plants growing in large pots getting used to a bit of sun before I move. Should I add something to the pots other than some slow release fertiliser?

My aim is to have an edible garden which will provide my children with the same environment we had as kids grazing on the many fresh fruits and vegetables.
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