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Does anyone know where to buy/have Zanthoxylum simulans or Z. piperitum seeds? Would love to buy some.
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Linton says...
Freshly harvested Japanese peppers - Zanthoxylum piperitum.

The only problem is I have no idea how to use them. I think they are supposed to be lightly roasted to bring out the flavour, right? Although the flavour is already quite strong when they are fresh like these with an intense spicy, citrusy taste.

I would also like to know if the wonderfully aromatic leaves can used as well, perhaps in cooking. The whole room is filled with the fragrant aroma from just a small handful of leaves.

Please let me know of any good recipes to use them, thanks.
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Linton says...
Attention Mcmelb......

You can buy seeds of Zanthoxylum simulans from All Rare Herbs:

https://www.allrareherbs.com.au/product/szechuan-pppper-seed/

Cheers!
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mcmelb1 says...
Hi Linton,

thanks for the link!

I know for Z. simulans only the casing around the seed is dried and used by the western Chinese.

I read while doing some research on the genus that the leaves of the Z. piperitum are eaten while the leaves of Z. simulans generally are not.
Z. piperitum leaves are commonly eaten by the Japanese and Koreans and they generally pickle, blanch, fry or deep-fry the leaves, so it seems pretty versatile.

Apparently like the Z. simulans, generally only the Z. piperitum fruits (not seeds) are dried and used as a spice - but sometimes they are used whole when unripe by the Japanese in a stew. You should try making something called "e;Shichimi Togarashi"e;, it's a seven ingredient chilli powder; and it's actually the stuff you see at Japanese restaurants. They use the stuff on everything, ramen, stews, salads and on plain rice! I think it'd be great to spice up the mayo in potato salad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanthoxylum_piperitum

Shichimi Togarashi recipe:

https://www.chowhound.com/recipes/shichimi-togarashi-and-nanami-togarashi-10602

Also Linton, I was looking through your Edible's page and saw that you have a Chrysophyllum imperiale. I was wondering how you got a hold of the plant/seeds? Aren't they very rare? Beautiful trees though.

Thanks!
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Linton says...
Thanks for the info on preparing the Japanese peppers. Will have to do some experimenting with them now.

To get Chrysophyllum imperiale you will need to go to the Sydney Botanic Gardens shop who sells them from time to time. They have a large fruiting tree growing in the gardens there so they are able to propagate more plants from the seeds.

Bear in mind that they are ultra slow growing and may take 20 years to reach fruiting age.
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mcmelb1 says...
Hi Linton,
It's been a while since your post, I forgot to reply!
Do you happen to have any spare seeds or small seedlings of the Zanthoxylum piperitum I could buy?
Did you find any good uses for the seeds?
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Linton says...
Attention mcmelb1...

How you going? All of the Zanthoxylum piperitum seeds I planted last year sprouted, but then all of them died thereafter. I'm not sure why they are so difficult to raise but suspect its probably due to damping off and I don't know how to overcome this problem.

So I don't have any seeds or seedlings at this time. Now I have only the one tree which I repotted today as it's about 1 metre high. I will try to harvest more berries in April and may be able to send you some then if you want to try.

Pics of the Japanese Pepper Tree before potting and after in a larger pot. Cheers!
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mcmelb1 says...
Hi Linton,

I am well, how about you?
Hmm.. Did you keep the seedlings in a greenhouse? Maybe stagnant air was the cause of the dampening off.

I would love some seeds to try and grow!
Your tree is looking great! I must say it's a very attractive tree.

Cheers
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Linton says...
Thanks your comment. Yes, the Japanese Pepper is one of the favourite trees in my yard. Did you know that a grower in America sells the leaves of Zanthoxylum piperitum to restaurants for 400 US Dollars a pound. Thats roughly equivalent to 500 Aus dollars for 500gms. Cheers!
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mcmelb1 says...
Wow Linton that is a lot! I can't say I'm too surprised though; I think it may be the new growth that is picked and used in "e;Kaiseki"e; cuisine (seasonal Japanese haute cuisine) as a garnish.
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