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Db starts with ... I'm planning to buy Persimmon N/A variety either Fuyu or Jiro.. Which variety is better in terms of taste, tree growth and which will fruit earlier? Due to space limitation I'm planning to grow one in large pot, so which one will suit more? Do they send long tap root? I know Jiro is dwarf variety but being in pot Fuyu will also remain dwarf, isn't it? I heard Fuyu is more vigorous but I could be wrong.. Any comments? | About the Author Db Brisbane 21st June 2012 9:06am #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author asder 21st June 2012 2:09pm #UserID: 6953 Posts: 43 View All asder's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... Yes, Jiro is more dwarf. Chester at Forbidden Fruist sells a Fuyu grafted onto dwearfing stock. I recommend visiting the Nambour Garden Expo in a few weeks, where quite a few nurseries will be exhibiting and you can get some great advice about growing them in Brisbane/SE QLD. They can be real sooks of trees here. More trouble than mangosteen as far as Im concerned! But still, well worth it if you can get them going. Few fruit are better than a sweet, non chalky, persimmon. Do you only want a hard eating one? I like Nightingale personally, but its astringent. I like 'em gooey! | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 21st June 2012 2:24pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Db says... So recently I bought both Jiro (from Daleys) and Fuyu (from Forbidden).. I planted Jiro in ground 2 months back and Fuyu 1 month back.. Both are not putting on any new growth.. How long normally it takes for persimmon tree to see new growth once transplanted? I have read they can take longer time to establish but now sure how long.. My Fuyu seems very sick (it is much taller than jiro so gets more sun), it has already dropped almost half of leaves due to sunburn and remaining leaves also has got lot of sunburn and so drying... I'm regularly giving seasol to both.. Is there anything else I can do to promote new growth? | About the Author Db Brisbane 18th December 2012 11:54am #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Charlton says... There are 3 possibilities, Fuyu,Jiro and Ichikikejiro,( which is commonly called "jiro" in Nth NSW) If you know Fuyu, then Ichikejiro is a very similar tasting squarish fruit ie mild non astringent. You probably have this, rather than the true JIRO which is a large conical/top shaped fruit. | About the Author Charlton egypt 18th December 2012 8:51pm #UserID: 7444 Posts: 4 View All Charlton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Db says... Don't loose your hope MaryT, may be it will fruit soon... Even the one that I bought from Daleys in my last visit didn't had any flower or fruit. That time I choose smaller but more healthy tree with more side branches rather than one taller tree with fruit.. I hope it starts putting on new growth soon... I might loose other persimmon tree that I bought from Forbidden nursery, this tree is twice taller as compared to one from Daleys but its not healthy now at all as its dropping leaves.. Now I'm believing smaller trees are way better to get established as compared to advance trees... | About the Author Db Brisbane 19th December 2012 2:24pm #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author MaryT Sydney 19th December 2012 7:18pm #UserID: 5412 Posts: 2066 View All MaryT's Edible Fruit Trees |
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VF says... Db, Persimmons' growth is in spurts, it's not constant like many other fruit trees. The best growth you get is when they come out of dormancy, (they can put on 2-3 ft in very short amount of time), after which they may get 1 or 2 more (less vigorous) growth activites until Autumn. Your plants are probably struggling as they're only babes with unestablished garden root systems, and trying to cope with current heatwave. Can you make some temporary sun-shelter with shadecloth until they get on their feet (until they're deciduous if necessary)? Check too if soil retaining enough water if you're on clay, and keep well mulched. Once they're established they're great plants - I have a Fuyu not quite 3yr old that has 30+ fruit on it. My Ichi. was planted late winter when dormant - it has established enough roots to cope with heat. (They're both in full sun.) | About the Author VF Wongawallan 20th December 2012 8:08am #UserID: 6795 Posts: 736 View All VF's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Db says... Just an update - my sick Fuyu persimmon tree that I bought from Forbidden nursery has now started putting on new growth. It has already dropped more than 90% of the leaves due to I guess sunburn so I thought its going to die but its coming back :) Ichikikijiro variety that I bought from Daleys few weeks before Fuyu purchases has not dropped single leave and it remained green and healthy but no sign on new growth, but I'm sure it will also start growing soon... | About the Author Db Brisbane 9th January 2013 9:09am #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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VF says... Hi Db, glad your Fuyu is now growing - persimmons are a great fruit, and your tree should reward you in a couple of years. I've posted a few pic's of my lot: the baby Ichi (about 6months old), the Fuyu (just on 3 yrs), and some of the Fuyu's crop. I found that it's in year 2 when the plant starts to take off - I even had 2 fruit set then. This year it's over 30.
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Db says... My 1 yr old Jiro has now set 50 fruits in its first season, they are about grape size or smaller.. Not a single flower/fruit has dropped so far.. Do I need to thin it or will there be a fruit drop anyway? I don't want tree to grow very big due to limited space so I'll be keeping fruits on it but certainly 50 fruits on this young 2.5ft tall tree is too much I think.. | About the Author Db Brisbane 3rd October 2013 8:31am #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Db says... 6 more has been dropped yesterday and now only last 5 left on the tree.. Looks like I won't be tasting it this season :( My Fuyu is also flowering now but I'm not expecting it to hold any fruit after looking Ichikikijiro performance... Persimmon fruit drop has to do with heat and age of the tree as well, not just the over-watering.. | About the Author Db Brisbane 11th October 2013 10:48am #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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MaryT says... Db no one watches his/her garden as closely as you do so I hope you are philosophical. You're right in saying that many things could have caused the fruit drop; at the moment my orchard of citrus have hundreds of tiny fruit but I know most of them will drop off. My trees are in pots and there's no way that number of fruit can be sustained. | About the Author MaryT Sydney 11th October 2013 1:00pm #UserID: 5412 Posts: 2066 View All MaryT's Edible Fruit Trees |
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VF says... Db, a 2 1/2 ft Persimmon is just a baby, and even if it wanted to hang onto its' current flowers, it'd be better off having them removed (maybe leave 1-2 at the very most if the tree is strong). Give the tree another years growth, and watch for fruit the next season. The quality and size of the fruit will be your reward. Mary, congrat's for yours finally flowering! Is it the one from Diggers that was being stubborn? Good luck. | About the Author VF 11th October 2013 4:12pm #UserID: 6795 Posts: 736 View All VF's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Db says... MaryT, lol.. I agree I do watch my trees very closely but only because all are very young at this stage(under 2 yr) and need more attention and I hand-water them and so get to see them very often.. We cannot compare citrus to Persimmon thought because every citrus drops 98% of fruits set but persimmons are different.. My 3 citrus also has dropped most tiny fruits in this season but that was expected.. VF, I checked it again and its actually 4.5ft tall with multiple branches but I agree its still a baby and I should remove any remaining fruits to allow it to grow... Most of my other baby trees have already fruited (or fruiting) happily though.. I do keep some fruits on them because I don't want any tree to grow very big and want to keep them dwarf due to limited space here... | About the Author Db Brisbane 13th October 2013 7:03am #UserID: 6427 Posts: 470 View All Db's Edible Fruit Trees |
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VF says... Db, 4.5ft is a different story. A couple of fruit should be quite sustainable. My Fuyu had 2 at that size , following year (last year) mid-thirties, this year I can't count how many. I'll be allowing my Jiro its first crop this year, and it'd be similar size to yours. I'm interested to see how the growth rates of my 2 compare, seeing how Jiro is a dwarf variety. To date, much the same at similar age. | About the Author VF 13th October 2013 7:49am #UserID: 6795 Posts: 736 View All VF's Edible Fruit Trees |
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