Shade trees in pots (forum)

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Hi eVeryone. I am looking for a tree that will tolerate full sun, looks good, will provide me with a little bit of shade and will grow in a pot. Water is not an issue. Any suggestions?
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Hayden.

Time: 24th January 2011 3:16pm

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allybanana says...
Jabotocaba, carob, strawberry guava, citrus

Time: 24th January 2011 6:28pm

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Hayden says...
How tall do strawberry guavas grow in pots? I already have one and growing well but I don't know how tall they grow. How big do jabotocabas grow? I thought they had a thick trunk and big root system.

Time: 24th January 2011 9:36pm

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BJ says...
Even in the ground they wont grow big enough to give a great deal of shade. Ditto a Jab in a pot, plus they take ages to grow. Carob could be good. Then there are faster-growers like Tamarind, Brazilian Cherry, maybe Starfruit, Longan, maybe Black Sapote, White Sapote. Not sure about what grows well in your climate. Seedlings will grow to the size you want quicker, but you may not get fruit. Also, get a nice sized planter/bonsai bag, so they can grow into it, and put it in a nice pot to dress it up.

Time: 24th January 2011 10:22pm

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Hayden says...
Do black sapote go ok in full sun? It gets very hot in the area where it would be so I keep my citrus there. It gets reflected heat from my brick house a colourbond gate and fenceand a shed not far away. The area also has a concrete floor. Thanks,

Hayden

Time: 24th January 2011 11:41pm

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amanda says...
Hi Hayden - if it doesn't have to be a fruiting tree then ficus will tolerate being in a pot for years. I have used mine as portable shade plants - a friend still has one I pot-planted 20yrs ago...

Time: 24th January 2011 11:44pm

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allybanana says...
If on the otherhand you want a quick growing fruiting tree tamarillo and paw paw they are hungry and will need liquid feeds but both gave great folige and will fruit in the second year.

Time: 29th January 2011 12:24pm

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Nick says...
From what I've heard black sapotes are really tropical and I'm guessing they dont mind excessive heat because I had a seedling (only couple of cms high) in my greenhouse and it didnt seem to mind the 1 50 degree day we had. The carob on the otherhand is a mediterranean tree and loves heat (Im planning on buying one myself) and its drought resistant, but I dont know if theyll grow in a pot on account of its deep root system (I'll give it a shot though :))

Time: 1st April 2011 7:06pm

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epiphany says...
I have a carob in a pot & it's doing well so far. Given they get really tall in the ground, it might eventually have to go out but at the moment it's loving it...& it fruits quite happily & prolifically.

Time: 2nd April 2011 12:33pm

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snottiegobble says...
Carobs are known to have very deep root systems so that is unusual. I grew 3 from seed & 7 years later & in the ground they still never flowered.

Time: 2nd April 2011 2:19pm

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Jason says...
I have one that's 11 years old and no flowers, but that's a seedling tree also, epiphany's would be a grafted tree

Time: 2nd April 2011 5:20pm

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snottiegobble says...
Yes Jason, I think you must be right!
I am allergic to carob anyway so have to eat chocolate, sob,!

Time: 2nd April 2011 5:51pm

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Jason says...
I actually love the carob bean pod! so much better than after they turn it into fake chocolate powder. I really should buy a grafted tree one day. Weird that I can eat carob if it's dodgy for some people, like a lot of people these days I've already damaged my guts from over eating wheat earlier in my life so I'm taking a break from that kind of stuff for a couple of years

Time: 2nd April 2011 8:00pm

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snottiegobble says...
Join the club Jason! constipation IBS, etc & prescribed antibiotics for months in the 70`s & they really did the damage. Bowel wall twice as thick as it should be. Now gluten intolerant. & lactose allergies, but not coeliac T G!
Back in the 40`s -50`s nobody heard of fibre, so sadly it was a natural that brought me undone -- Cascara sacrada!

Time: 2nd April 2011 9:01pm

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Jason says...
It's a pretty big club! my wifes a Chef and she says the gluten intolerant requests at the restaurant outnumber vegetarians about 10 to 1 so it's a fair big chunk of the population now. I've got plenty of stories about the battle to find out about gluten intolerance and not knowing why your falling apart but I wont corrupt the thread too much with that right now. The only thing I tell everyone I know if you can go without only one thing in life, make it gluten

Time: 2nd April 2011 9:36pm

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snottiegobble says...
Absolutely! The only reason wheat was adopted instead of spelt was it was far easier to de-husk! The nutritional difference was never a factor! More & more people are demanding gluten free even they dont have a problem, they just feel better without it. Your wife will back me up on this!

Time: 3rd April 2011 2:40am

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Jantina says...
I didn't know that snottie. Are you saying that spelt is gluten free? I heard it was better for you but didn't know why.

Time: 3rd April 2011 10:33am

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snottiegobble says...
Hi Jantina, no spelt has minimum gluten & far more nutritional value! I can get away with it on occasion! It is now believed that had spelt been retained as "our daily bread" there would be far less people with sensitive guts. Its the trigger factor that is so important.
The gluten causes the spasms & makes people sensitive (during that bout) to many other foods they would normally tolerate. Most frustrating but of course far less debilitating than coeliac disease.
I have to say that mangosteen juice & aloe juice have made a huge difference to me because I used to live an almost recluse lifestyle as a result of IBS/GI & was very thin at 62kgs.

Time: 3rd April 2011 11:29am

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Jason says...
snottie, are you still able to absorb B12?, I've had to take the injections once in a while, I started that before I realised why I was sick and getting worse all the time and that helped me stay half functional while I figured it out, the B12 would help a lot, literally on the walk home from the doctors, I'd start to feel better and it would help my stomach not look so bloated like E.T :). I also found after being loaded up on b12 I was less sensitive to some other foods (like onions) for a while and the lower the levels the more sensitive I would become. But even now not eating gluten I'm not able to hold onto a decent b12 level for more than a few months, which I believe is because the parts of my guts that absorb is are damaged?, I usually get an injection when my fingers start going numb which maybe a bit later than I should have it really.

I can actually eat onions for the first time in over 20 years now that I don't eaten gluten which is amazing :D

I'm currently 62kg which is pretty good for me considering I was never heavier than that eating twice as many calories before :D not that I ever actually digested them :P apart from needing the odd b12 shot I'm 100% good at the moment. Anyway I think I've had a fairly similar experience with it to what you've had as far as how it effects your life and lifestyle. I guess if anyone reads this and knows someone that's struggling with a wobbly digestion or bloated stomach some good will come from it. Pretty much you should never ever have stomach cramps (ever in your life) and if you do the early signs of gluten intolerance is prime suspect number one

Time: 3rd April 2011 1:08pm

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Jantina says...
Interesting snottie, I've certainly heard of coeliac disease but didn't realize it could make you sensitive to other foods. Suppose it's one of those conditions a person tends to ignore until it afflicts you or someone you love. It must make life miserable when it's out of control.

Time: 3rd April 2011 1:10pm

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Jason says...
Jantina as far as I can see lactose intolerance is nothing more than the first sign that you had your share of gluten, I may be wrong with that but I'm pretty sure since it's something not easy to digest that it's usually the first one go on the list of problem foods. The gluten destroys your intestine until more and more hard to digest foods join lactose on your list of can't do foods

Time: 3rd April 2011 1:33pm

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snottiegobble says...
I use B12 under-the-tongue sprays from Dr Mercola USA, but I believe they are now available in Aust. yes onions knock me about too. I was diagnosed allergic to onions,pineapples,grapefruit, in fact 15 every day foods at one stage! Every bout of bloating, cramps,incomplete evacuation etc affects your metabolism, moods,& general wellbeing. Eyes burn, rashes, fatigue, pain,& depending on where the spasm is in the bowel acid reflux to top it all.

Time: 3rd April 2011 2:17pm

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Jantina says...
Good grief guys I'm getting exhausted just reading about it.

Time: 3rd April 2011 2:37pm

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Jason says...
Yep sounds just exactly what happened to me, I agree Jantina I don't ever want to get that sick again if I can avoid it. I'll check out this B12 spray

edit: I see Matt Monarc has it in his shop, wonder how I would go with postage on a spray can :0

Time: 3rd April 2011 4:23pm

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Jantina says...
Who is Matt Monarc?

Time: 3rd April 2011 5:38pm

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Jason says...
Jantina, he's an extreme raw food eating guy. He's got this shop selling things to do with this online to try and raise enough money so that he could go and live in a valley in Ecuador build a house and grow fruit trees (all of which he's now done). He also married? Angela Stokes (another semi famous raw fooder) and she lives with him in Ecuador. Didn't you have raw Chocolate? I think? you probably have come across this group of people at some stage, maybe Shazzie in the U.K, or David Wolfe the smoothie master, Shazzie wrote a book about raw chocolate, they are all friends. I've met Matt and Angela, pretty impressed with Angela since she's the most healthy person I've ever seen in actual person, when you get up close to her you can see she's just not of the normal standard of health. Since I've never really been as healthy as I should have been (evil bread) I've been following this kind of thing for ages/years. That's about all I know :)

Time: 3rd April 2011 5:56pm

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snottiegobble says...
Jason, I suppose you know about quinoa & chia. My wife bakes a lovely bread using both & we also buy GF flour. There are GF wraps too that dont wrap too well but make excellent single pizza bases! Go easy on the cheese though!

Time: 3rd April 2011 6:30pm

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Jantina says...
Yes Jason I did have raw chocolate (yum)got it through my daughters certified organic business.I've got books and dvd's made by the Raw Family (google them) and it's through them I learnt about Green Smoothies which are just the best. You can loan any of my stuff on them if you want.

Snottie would love to have your recipe for quinoa and chia bread. Did you get my email?

Time: 3rd April 2011 11:00pm

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