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tropical tree growing advice for a melbournian..

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jmub starts with ...
Hi all,

I just recently purchased a house in the hills of belgrave and wanted to grow some fruit plants. I've done a bit of research and am aware of what fruit tree's grow well here and what don't. But you could still classify me as a fruit growing noob! :) So I've got some questions for anyone with any knowledge of growing tropical tree's around these parts.

Just recently on a impulse buy I picked up an Indian guava and Kensington pride mango tree. The guava's about a foot in height and the mango is about foot and a half. Just needed some advice on whether I should plant them in the ground or in a large pot. General planting location advice, fertilizing etc and whether I have any hope of seeing either of these plants grow and fruit in my area. Not that it matters, I'd be just as happy having alive and well mango and guava tree's that don't fruit. Any advice would be appreciated.

I'm also looking to plant white sapote and cherimoya. Can anyone recommend a variety of these tree's that would grow well in melbourne? and where I could possibly pick them up from locally?

Finally, has anyone had any luck growing coconut tree's in melbourne?

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anonymous says...
There is almost an identical topic to yours with plenty of information and also my edibles are very handy to see people backyards what can't grow and what can in Melbourne.

https://www.daleysfruit.com.au/forum/tropical-fruit-trees-successfuly-grown-in-melbourne/
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jmub says...
Yes, I've looked through that forum thread, and I still couldn't find specific answers. Some questions have been answered so thanks for the link.

The varieties of White sapote and Cherimoya that grow best in melbourne is what I'm mainly after and where I can find them locally would be of great help as well.

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Jmub,

I have pike, otergo and vemon white sapote varieties growing very well in Melbourne except the venon only fruits every second year.
Happy growing.
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juanita says...
Hi Jmub,

For cherimoya i would suggest "fino de jete" is one of the best..
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jmub says...
Hi Juanita

Thanks for the advice. Is there any place in melbourne or vic that I can buy that variety of Cherimoya?

And Jujube thanks for the info, again is there a place in melbourne where I can get pike or otergo? How long does a tree take to bear fruits?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I used to buy a few of the fruit trees you mention from several places in Melbourne, but not on your side of town worse luck. Poytnton's of Essendon often have a large selection of semitropical fruit trees, they are on the Maribyrnong River, have bought quite advanced trees over the years from them. They used to sell a lot of casimiroa cvs. CERES in Lee St, East Brunswick is a community centre that has a nursery outlet, have bought cherimoya, greeen sapote, pepino whilst there, good selection if you're lucky. Finally, there is a retail outlet which stocks a lot of Daley's fruit trees, it's kind of opposite Dan Murphys near Bell St, Coburg, run by an older Greek couple. Can't give you a precise address but if you can find the bottle shop you should be able to hunt around across the road. I ended up moving up from Woodend to Northern NSW to get closer to the source!
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Jmub,

You may get some from Pots garlore in Springvale road, Springvale or there is one nursery in Police Road Mulgrave. I think they can order for you.

Mine were a bit of advance trees when I bought them and it took only one year to produce fruits

Good luck.
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jmub says...
Phil & Jujube, thank you for your help. I have managed to locate 1 White sapote tree and it's been happily put away for me to pick up soon.
I read somewhere that in order to get the white sapote to fruit you need another one near by.. is this true? Or can the white sapote self pollinate?

No luck with the Cherimoya, no place outside of diggers has them (and they only have small plants, I can't find established ones).

Jujube, do you know the name or location of the nursery in Police road, mulgrave. I can't seem to find it online.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Jumb,

The nursery in Police Road,Mulgrave has just been re-opened since September 2009 so I do not think you could find it online.
I know a couple of people growing white sapote trees in their backyard in VIC and all of them have 2 trees so I am not sure if you can have one. I was told ortego is a self polinating variety and the same as lemon gold (not suitable for Melbourne because it is a tropical variety).

Happy growing.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I bought some cherimoyas from a nursery near Daylesford, I imagine it is still in operation. Give Adrian a ring and see what he has in stock - it's worth the drive out there to see his glasshouse setup, American pawpaws, white sapote and others you won't find anywhere else. 5348 7532. He has a cherimoya called "Spain" which is very hard to find in this country.
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jmub says...
Phil,
The Munro st plant nursery (opposite dan murphy's in coburg) did not have any of those plants and Adrian referred me onto daleys as he had no cherimoya's and didn't seem to want to part with his white sapote. Thanks for lead though. T'was appreciated.

Jujube,
I'm using google street view to find the police road nursery, so hopefully they'll have something in stock when I find them!

Along with the White sapote, I got some pineapple guava's and a Loquat. My main worry up in the hills with these tree's isn't the climate, its the goddamn possums and birds! Have any of you had any problems with possums destroying your sapote, guava or loquat trees? If so, any solutions would be helpful!

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jmub says...
An update, I called up the nursery where I booked my one white sapote tree and I was advised it was a Reinecke variety. Is that a tropical variety or will that grow fine in melbourne? And is it self pollinating.

Also, I found out the loquat I picked up is a thames pride.

Will the above two varieties of sapote and loquat grow well here?
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Jmub,

Reinecke variety: Heavy cropper in QLD but poor bearer in California according to DR Glowinski book so it may be a tropical variety. No mention if it is a polinator or not.
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jmub says...
Thanks jujube. I've found some info on the web that says it takes a few years to fruit in victoria, and when it does it is not a heavy cropper but the fruit are very nice. So I'll keep the one I got (daleys says its self pollinating. perry's says its not... who to believe?), but I'm trying really hard to find a Pike white sapote.

Daleys and Perry's don't seem to have any pikes, which is a real shame. Trying to find some place that has pikes seems impossible at the moment.


Also, what do you think thames pride loquat variety? have you heard anything about them?



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Phil@Tyalgum says...
CERES Nursery in Lee St East Brunswick always had a good selection at reasonable prices - Poyntons of Essendon also had a few surprised out the back in the fruit tree section - mangoes, pecans, native citrus, lots of different avocadoes and loquats, and used to sell a lot of white sapotes. I think I bought an African Pride custard apple there too.
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jmub says...
Phil,
I called CERES, they do not have any white sapotes or cherimoya. Poyntons is where I got my Thames Pride Loquat, pineapple guava's and the 1 Reinecke White sapote. They said they rarely stock white sapote and cherimoya, but they have my name and number so when stock comes in they will call me. Same deal with CERE's. Thanks for the advice, phil! I'm still much better off than when I started.

Now if I can get a hold of a Pike white sapote and fino de jete cherimoya, I'm set!
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jmub says...
Phil, a quick query about Feijoa's for you.

I called up poyntons to find out if they stocked either the triumph or mammoth varieties, but they said the variety wasn't listed. Would you still recommend picking them up?

Called CERES as well about feijoa's and they had the same response, no variety listed.
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Anna says...

I am Thinking about growing a Pineapple Guava/Feijoa in pot. I have seen the plants sold with yellow fresh picture. I wonder if it is a true yellow flesh or just the background colour just happens to be yellow.

I would like to hear from anyone who have grown them in Melbourne. How long does it take to fruit from a plant about 30 cm tall?. Is it a tropical variety?

Many thanks in advance
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enrico says...
I just purchased a Coconut tree from a florist on Main Street in Mordialloc. It is still in its shell - about a foot high. They are selling for $25.

I am trying to find some information on growing Coconut trees in Melbourne. I know they require constant warmth and humidity. They are not suited to Melbourne climate at all, but I am intrigued to find out if they grow indoors, in a warm position with good sunlight/daylight.

Here's hoping.
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culebra says...
That'd be awesome if you could get it to grow in Melbourne! ;)


They would be a great alternate to those common palms in St Kilda, mordy etc. (Phoenix canariensis?)
lol i'm dreaming.

''but I am intrigued to find out if they grow indoors, in a warm position with good sunlight/daylight.''
Sounds like the go! worth a shot eh.
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Evo says...
Anna,

I have about 15 Feijoa in melb. Flesh is cream/yellow. They grow really fast and well. Took 3 years from 30cm for fruit - and then lots of it. I adore the flavour but it is not to everyone's taste as it is like putting your tongue on the DJ's perfume counter....not that I do that very often.

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Anna says...
Hi Evo,

Many thanks for your information. I will buy one plant next week. I like the perfume.
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adamus says...
I will too , I love DJ's perfume.(chuckle).
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epiphany says...
Anna: like Evo said, feijoas have a sort of pale creamy coloured flesh but it turns brown when exposed to air (like an apple). It's not a true yellow colour.

They grow well in Melbourne & will grow in a pot but not as well as one in the ground. They hedge well & can be kept quite compact.

When you're ready to harvest them, wait til the fruit fall on the ground (we used to shake our trees very gently...lol)...then you know they're ripe. Don't eat the skin - just the flesh. It's too thick. You can also eat the flower petals...they have a sort of lemony sugar taste.

When you buy one, try to get a named variety rather than a seedling - the fruit is vastly superior & you know it's going to fruit in a reasonable time...many seedlings either take a long time or don't seem to flower much at all. Also check if the variety is self fertile or if you'll need a pollinator. If you have other feijoas in the area, you might be able to get away with one...if not, it's best to buy two different varieties. Unless it's a self fertile variety. Good luck! They're really lovely fruit :)
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