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On Daley's availability list today I saw Golden Globe which I rate very highly. It has very yellow flesh and is remarkably rich for a sapote ; it's almost like it could be used as a spread. I understand that the colour comes from yellow sapote genes. There is argument about the existence of a separate species 'yellow sapote' but, empirically, yellowness adds something to the flavour.
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JohnMc1 says...
Thanks for that description srt, I have some Golden Globes nearly ripe.
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Grant says...
Hey Phil i have only 3 yellowish fruit on my LG and they are pretty small, maybe a touch bigger than 50c piece. Tree is only 3 years old and about 2.5m tall. Should i expect bigger fruit in future? No other white Saps around
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phil@tyalgum says...
The first year my fruit were only plum sized as well Grant. Now the tree is about eight feet tall and am really surprised how large they are this year, about the size of a Jonathan apple. Large seeds as with the Vista, but a very satisfying fruit to eat. Pests have left this one alone so far but I have to beat the fruit bats to my Vista fruit which has paper thin skin and damages easily. The Lemon Gold has more like a shell for a skin and doesn't splatter when it drops. It also changes colour and is more obvious when it is ripe.
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Grant says...
Cheers Phil, i'll look forward to next years crop!
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JohnMc1 says...
Phil, did any of your fruit get sunburn?
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phil@tyalgum says...
Not that I can tell... the fruit you mean? They are pretty much shaded by the canopy, we had some scorching days this summer but was able to keep plenty of water up to them which I think helps develop sizeable fruit
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JohnMc1 says...
A couple of fruit exposed to the afternoon sun.
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Waterfall says...
I have a Golden Globe, is it likely I will need another tree for pollination? I really do not have the space for another.
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JohnMc1 says...
Golden Globe is apparently self fertile but a pollinator would be beneficial. See how it goes, or find someone who could give you some compatible scionwood and graft a couple onto your existing tree. Ol mate Jason from this forum could guide you on which pollinator would be best.
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For eddy says...
Do not have the space? Demolish a bedroom . It is so good.
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vlct says...
my w.s has real bad leaf curl. has anyone else had this problem ?
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Peter91 says...
My golden globe has been in the soil for some time now with no dramas, then it feels like literally overnight it's got some leaf droop and the leaves are going yellow.

Does anyone have any clue what could be causing this?
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Markmelb says...
Dont worry its due to their semi deciduous nature - you should see lots of bud growth even on trunk and branches which will go boom once it warms up when we get real spring in 3.5 weeks
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Peter91 says...
What should I do if the problem continues to worsen, such as leaf drop etc, would this then be a problem with soil etc?

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Markmelb says...
It wont continue - be patient and dont water too much unless its been very windy - did yu go out and note new buds all over?
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Peter91 says...
It's been pretty windy with rain here in Adelaide recently which is around about when it started to droop, I haven't noticed many new buds, i'll have to do a thorough check tomorrow.
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Markmelb says...
How big is you GG? Still in a pot - how old etc?
Mine in pots grow alot slower than those in ground - flowers should be soon on younger plants - Mature plants i know of have been flowering since May.
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Waterfall says...
My GG had a growth flush about 4 - 5 weeks ago and then the new growth curled a little with the subsequent cold weather. It had one flower on it at the end of autumn too.
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A.C says...
Pete I think the long cold nights spell we have been enduring here in Adelaide may have something to do with sapote problem. Ive got a golden globe in a pot and a ortega in the ground.I think the ortega is more cold tolerant than the golden globe.There maybe an issue with the soil.Yellowing leaves might be a problem with nitrogen uptake. Wait till september till the warmer weather kicks in to make a assessment of your golden globe.It might pay to cover tree overnight.The sapotes are notorious for yellowing leaf drop but ortega would do it in october /november which I sprayed tree with zinc/ magesium and water tree with miracle gro .I will watch forum .Id wait till later in the year before doing anything.
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Peter91 says...
No worries A.C thanks for the info, mines pretty young still and only recently moved from a pot into the ground, I don't want to lose this one either.

I probably realistically should have kept it potted till spring at least.

If I have any further dramas and it doesn't improve during spring i'll jump onto this thread to leave a message if I need any solutions.
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Peter91 says...
Hey A.C if you see this, i've noted no new buds or anything on the W/S and another section of the plant has basically wilted and dried up over a single night.

Is this normal or should I consider actually moving it ASAP or throwing in more compost/fertilizer etc? I'm unsure of the soil PH, so I don't know if it's the soil doing it or something else? Could it be it's positioning? I placed it in a spot that mostly get the afternoon sun and is mostly shaded during the day, but i'd heard they don't need full sun to thrive?

I'd heard alot of people saying that white sapotes are hardy and can tolerate alot of things, but mine seems to be heading south quick, or should I continue to wait until the warmer spring?

If anyone could offer suggestions i'd appreciate it.
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Markmelb says...
Treat it like a Citrus --- Give it as much sun as you can till the weather goes crazy hot -then protect from hot afternoon and setting west sun - mature plants no probs full sun - but I am sure its the cold thats causing all your probs - Im getting dead ends on older branches and lots of leaf drop too - but I was like you 2 years ago getting concerned - it will get warm soon - just dont overwater or fertilize till its a bit warmer too
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Peter91 says...
So would you recommend me actually transplanting the W/S to another spot? Or would you say it's fine where it is in partial shade during the early day and will pick up during the hotter weather?
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Markmelb says...
I thought was in a pot way you described -mostly all my plants get sun mostly with interspersed shade till 1pm but not much afternoon sun - i think leave it put and wait - give sun protection later if need be on 40+ days till its over 2mt?
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Peter91 says...
No it was planted into the ground with some fertilizer etc hoping that the spring heat would have picked up by now, which is why i'm wondering now if something is wrong with that soil now.
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Markmelb says...
yes Peter - I think you may have planted a bit early - I planted a Kampong and a Golden Globe only 2 weeks ago and both look fine.

My triple ground planting of a Reineke -Vernon & Sue Belle are only just starting growth cycle.(see my edibles)

Did you put fertilizer under plants in the hole? How did you go about developing your spot?

Did you add compost with native soil in situ - i only put some chook pellets on surface after planting so its a slow release as it rains - with the warmer days now these White Sapote plants wont look back - can you put up some pics as it takes some time to understand what white Sapotes do as they begin a growth spurt.
Can you put up some pics of plant and some close ups of those dried up branches you described.
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Peter91 says...
I did put a little bit of fertilizer under the plants hole, and the soil didn't seem the best quality, but it seemed viable enough and had plenty of worms etc digging around under there.

I also only added a bit of compost to start with into the soil, it's pretty dark out now but the photos should be clear enough to show the leaf situation, the ones shriveling up are actually at the top of the plant, where as you can see the ones at the bottom mostly look fine.

It just baffles me how the plant was fine for weeks, then in the span of a week just takes a dive.


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Waterfall says...
The new growth that mine put on mid winter looks curled up like that, the rest is fine. I'd say its just the cold weather.
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Peter91 says...
Did it do it to the entire plant Waterfall? Because the entire top new growth of mine is starting to droop and look shriveled up like that.
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Markmelb says...
Peter - I think wait and see - pic 1 looks normal - pic 2 looks a worry to me - Top growth always looks crappy before spring as has not hardened up enough b4 the cold nites -

also putting fert in hole is a no no esp in winter as may burn roots - not alot yu can do except wait and see as it warms up - it may just grow beserk soon - heres hoping for you.
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Waterfall says...
Just the new growth Peter, it was a significant flush so the whole top looks a bit curled.

I'll grab a photo tomorrow.
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Peter91 says...
The effected leaves have all started to take on a strange browning effect, could this be due to the heavy rains we've had here over the past two days?
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sternus1 says...
yep, absolutely. They do not like alternating water levels, similar to avocado thought not quite so extreme.
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Waterfall says...
Photo of mine as promised. The new growth is the curled up leaves on top. Looks like its starting another growth flush now too.
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Peter91 says...
Hey Waterfall that was pretty much what mine looked like but got worse, it rained heavily a few days back, all the top growth turned brown, then blew off in the strong winds we've had.

So now only the bottom layer of growth is left.
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J says...
I've found the best tasting white sapote I grow is 'Chris' hands down. Next is lemon gold, then vista, then wilson, then Vernon, then hawaiin supreme, then pike and last is ortega. Which is not to say Ortega is bad or anything (it a great pollinator) its just that the flavour can be quite strong. I've got reinecke commercial and suebelle that are flowering for the first time, so we'll see how they rate. Interestingly I've had a super extended season on my white sapotes that went from April through to august thanks to my Vernon holding onto its fruit for most of winter.
Golden globe is the only sapote of tried to grow that didn't do very well. I let its rootstock grow out in the end.
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Rob19 says...
Hi J,
Do the trees look much different?
I don't suppose you can provide some photos comparing them?

I'd also be interested to know if you can provide any information on the taste of Kampong. My tiny little tree arrived from Daleys and promptly flowered and tried to set fruit. Based on this I'm guessing it will fruit well I'm just wondering if the taste will be up to scratch.
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Markmelb says...
Rob - i find that young WS will try to flower on the scion wood as it would have on original tree it came off - then it takes a few years for plant to form appropriate bud wood for flowers again - WS may taste different in each locale it is grown - different soil light heat etc even year to year - most ive tasted from 3 trees - dont know CVs - have tasted like pear custard but one tasted like lemon merangue - that hooked me in niw have almost all CVs - now multi grafting to save room.
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Markmelb, If you ever find one of these fabled lemon meringue trees please grab a scion for me ;)
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Linton says...
The Kampong I have had for about 2 years is currently loaded with flowers - pictures taken today - as is the Ortega.

The Kampong also had flowers last year but not as many and didn't set fruit. The fruit quality of Kampong is claimed to be good.

Mark - still haven't got hold of the Rainbow, don't know what's going on there. Cheers!
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Markmelb says...
Linton - your flowering is way ahead of me this year - was possibly coldest winter plants have experienced - Friend in Donvale had lots of damage due to frosts and temps of minus 3c -- eeeek.
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