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Avocado type B

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Hi there - are there any dwarf Avocado type B varieties - I don't really have room for a massive tree - 4 metres is fine...am trying to decide whether to buy 2 type A dwarfs, a full size type B and try to keep the size limited or wait for a dwarf type B variety...
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brad16 says...
Hi SusiS, I think Daleys lists Pickerton, Wurtz and Lambs Hass as dwarfs because they are naturally smaller trees than other avocados. As you know, they are also type A trees. I'm not familiar with any other smaller varieties that are type B and also commonly available in Australia. However, I have heard of a 'Ganter' avocado that is known to be a small tree and is also type B. I came across it here http://ucavo.ucr.edu/avocadovarieties/VarietyFrame.html when I was trying to identify some avocado fruits I happened across some time ago. Scroll down and select Ganter from the Variety List on the left.

I just had a look around to see if I could find it anywhere and found this http://www.ganternursery.com/uploads/3/7/4/5/37459295/avocado.pdf (sorry, had wrong link. Edited and fixed to correct link)

The second last one, on the first page, is called 'Littlecado'. This is sold by Ganter Nursery (California USA) and I am also assuming it is the same 'Ganter' avocado that I found in the previous link.

So, it seems there are 'dwarf' type B avocados around, but getting your hands on them may take some work and negotiations.

I'm sure there are others with suburban backyards who would be interested in 'dwarf' avocados of both type A and B (for cross pollination), along with a business opportunity to supply them in Australian cities.

Since you are in Coffs Harbour, there may even be a type B tree close enough for cross pollination already. The Liberty petrol station on the highway commonly sells bags of locally grown avocados. Think they were Sharwills from memory (may have been Edranol or Fuerte), which are all type B. If you're lucky, someone else may have your pollinator already planted if you just wanted to buy a Pinkerton, Wurtz or Lamb Hass (which is unlikely to come up soon). Have a look around your neighbourhood for other avocado trees. If you find one close by, ask the owner what type it is. You may be lucky.
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SusiS says...
Thanks so much for researching this Brad and I agree - definite opportunity for the breeders to come up with or import dwarf type B avocados. I'm not inclined to take that on...
So, I've bought a dwarf wurtz - and hope that as a self pollinator it produces fruit ok but yes fingers crossed there is a type B locally though I haven't seen any avocado trees at all in my neighbours' gardens.
Would you happen to know how feasible it is to try to keep a non-dwarf avocado tree pruned to 3-4 metres height? Just wondering if I should try that option so that I have both a type A (dwarf) and type B (standard) or just stick with the single type A dwarf tree...
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Waterfall says...
I had a wurtz for a couple of years, hundreds of flowers last year but no fruit so I added a pinkerton and this year I got fruit set on both trees.

I have read some people get fruit with just a wurtz on its own but I had a little space for a second tree so went with another smaller a-type.
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brad16 says...
The most commonly seen type B avocado trees I've seen for sale have been Shepard, Fuerte and Bacon. Both Shepard and Fuerte grow into large trees. Shepard is one of favourites and I have had one mature tree that was as big a mature Moreton Bay Fig (ie. large and spreading), and I used to climb it to pick fruit (beautiful tree!).

I don't have much experience with trying to keep trees small, I like LARGE trees (I have plenty of room and absolutely love the grandeur of a large tree).

I haven't had any Edranol and Sharwill avocados grow to full maturity yet, so can't comment on their size first hand, but I do believe that they are also naturally quite large.

There are plenty of avocado enthusiasts in Melbourne with more experience with Bacon than myself. Bacon is apparently known to be manageable to 4m in height in cooler climates. I think your best bet would be a Bacon and start tip pruning at an early stage. That will impede vertical growth and encourage a more 'bushy' habit. You'll have a good knowledge base with other Bacon enthusiasts if you have other questions along the way.

On a side note: How about a group of people interested in dwarf avocados get together and import a bunch of Ganters (or some other if someone knows a better one). You could then distribute them amongst yourselves and maybe on-sell a few to recuperate your importation costs. There would then be a niche supply of type B dwarf avocados available to Daleys Forum users. Just putting it out there because a few co-operating together makes things a little easier, and I'll bet that if I said 'I have 20 Ganter avocados available. Anyone want one?', I'd have no problem unloading them all.
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Markmelb says...
I have a semi dwarf Lamb Hass in the ground & it has naturally topped out so far at about 3.5 to 4 mt and in right situation produce more than either Hass or Wurtz & is an early bearer - Wurtz seem to be very shy at producing Avos & could do better up North or after 5 non productive years as in my case but this year looking more promising if they dont fall off again.
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SusiS says...
Thanks - all these suggestions - am thinking about getting a dwarf pinkerton or a dwarf hass alongside my dwarf wurtz - anything to increase the odds of fruit...
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frenchie says...
Hi SusiS, how would you rate the Wurtz and the Pinkerton - have you eaten any yet? What i the oil content like? Thanks!
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SusiS says...
My Wurtz died...I've learned that they need a lot of love when they're young and also that Wurtz can be a bit delicate. So I've purchased a grafted Reed, I put lots of effort into preparing the soil and am lavishing it with love so it's doing really well - only in the ground for a couple of months but has plenty of new shoots...we're 3-5 years away from fruit but I've tasted Reed fruit and it's a delicious variety...I haven't tasted a Wurtz or a Pinkerton so don't know what they're like...
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Markmelb says...
Important thing is a raised bed if you dont know your soil profile -- here a good link for a pdf on Avo growing
and sun / wind protection when young.
https://ucanr.edu/sites/alternativefruits/files/166825.pdf
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frenchie says...
Thanks for your answer SusiS. There is a guy locally selling dwarf Reed trees, and I was a bit suspicious that is in fact a dwarf. I really like reeds too, as well as Sharwil - well I think it is Sahrwil, green skin small seed very nutty and buttery (more so than Hass).
I was kind of hoping for a revelation in flavour with the 2 dwarf ones as I only have a small suburban block.
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robUrbanGarden says...
I am also looking for a dwarf type B, any luck tracking one down? I've got a Lamb Hass (A) and looking for a companion for it to increase fruit production :-)
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Brendan says...
Shepard is a type B, and I class it as a semi-dwarf (with pruning).
Funny thing, where I live, my Lamb Hass (A) and the Shepard (B), flower and fruit at the same time :-)
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David01 says...
There is no Dwarf B type but as Brendan said pruning will do the job. Usually Shepard and Bacon flower much earlier than Lamb Hass. Only close timing to Lamb Hass is Zutano and Edranol. However, different climate may alter the timing. Cheers
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Potty Bob 1 says...
Fairly sure lamb Hass will provide plenty of fruit without a pollinater, just not as much as with , plus anther tree within a 1km or so can help .
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robUrbanGarden says...
Thanks all. I purchased a Sheppard yesterday and will prune it to keep it at a manageable height. I hope both plants can survive my windy balcony 😅
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