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Dwarf Low Chill Cherry

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Jimmy starts with ...
Hi

First flowering of low chill cherry in a pot.
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BJ says...
Jimmy,
Iím so jealous! Is it a self-fertile variety? If so ... will it survive long-term in a pot, and where did you get it I never thought I could grow cherries in Rivervale Ė but youíre the suburb next door ... so maybe it is possible (although clearly your thumbs are greener than mine)
Yummy!
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allybanana says...
What variety jimmy
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Jimmy says...
Not self fertile minnie royal and royal lee needed.
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BJ says...
Can they live in a pot all their lives Jimmy? Is it too ambitious to plant them both in the same pot? Would they be balanced as a multi-graft or would two plants be better? If one needs to go in the ground which one should? (I'm sure there are more pavers I could pull up to fit them in!) How far apart would they need to be to cross pollinate?
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allybanana says...
Do you mean to say you have minnie royal or royal lee or both, well done, i bet that was difficult. Did you have to sighn a non propergation agrement.
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June says...
Jimmy what is the name of the nursery that you bought your dwarf cherries from? I've read that they don't require much chill, somewhere around 200 hrs. Cheers.
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BJ says...
Allybanana - are you still looking for someone in Perth to purchase in 50 odd trees from Flemmings? (Do you know if it is 50 pairs or 50 trees total?) I'd personally be very interested in getting a minnie royal and a royal lee (the internet suggests 200-500 chill hours are required ... I'm willing to risk it for cherries.)
I'm presuming you're still interestd in getting your hands on some. Have you spoken with any nurseries? Maybe if we indicated to a nursery there was a decent market they might assist (or we can bulk buy ourselves - and just divide them between all interested parties)
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kert says...
My understanding is that these low chill cherries are ONLY to go to orchardists . If we want one and I certainly do, we will not obtain it by conventional routes.
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kert says...
My understanding is that these low chill cherries are ONLY to go to orchardists . If we want one and I certainly do, we will not obtain it by conventional routes.
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allybanana says...
Exactly! Jimmy might find he has a lot of cyber friends all after those elusive wonders of the fruiting wourld, me please.
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BJ says...
I've got the Flemings fruit expert calling me tomorrow to discuss these trees. (It is scary what e-mail addresses can be found on the internet!) Hopefully I'll be able to provide a clear answer for us all then. Even better, maybe a way ahead for us to legally obtain some cherries for our back yards!
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allybanana says...
Thats great BJ i gather you found their email not they found you.
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BJ says...
OK, I can't think of a funny reply to allybanana so I'll just launch into what I've found out!

I've spoken to the head fruit person at Flemings. The Royal Lee and Minnie Royal are coming ... the official release is in the 1st week of June 2012.

If we were to contact our local Dawson's gardening centre (who are one of Fleming's main distributers) in December 2011 they should be putting in their orders for 2012 so we can ensure our desires as home gardeners are taken into account.

Yes - we have to wait ... but there is light at the end of the tunnel!

These cherries have a pretty good wrap in the USA, and the lady I spoke with said they were actually pretty tasty (a benefit I guess of being the person in charge of fruit!) Optimally they need 350 - 400 hours of chill, but places with chill still get some crop ... so they are suited for Perth and Sydney and she believes from their testing they cherries should crop in these cities quite well (Besides, Jimmy can let us know how his babies go).

Yippee!! In two years I might have my own cherries covered in blossom!
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allybanana says...
Well done BJ i will ask my local nursury if they can put it in their winter bare rooted order for next year, no, its the year after that 2012. Maby i can justify buying more trees by then, i have gone a bit over board on my daleys orders lately.

I am exited as i have two mature cherry trees that have never realy fruited in my yard, i want to top work them. Just through interest how many chill hours does flemmings class stella i can not find it on their website and everyone gives a different number.
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BJ says...
He he he Allybananan ... I call it delayed gratification! For me I've literally ran out of room - so these guys will need to go in pots and I don't have the pots yet so a wait isn't too bad.

Flemings didn't say how many chill hours Stella required. The internet either suggests over 500 or 700-800 ... Irrespective of the fact that there are different ways of calculating chill hours I think is more than you or I would get!

Apparently in the US some nurseries are suggesting the Royal Lee and Minnie Royal are 'no chill cherries'. The lady from Flemings was keen to correct this. They do need chill ... just much less than standard cherries. She said they would crop in Perth and Sydney. I probably won't get optimum chill - but we'll get enough for fruit for the home gardner (in other words, for commercial cropping a bit more chill is desirable). I'm guessing you'd be a smidge cooler than where I am so they might be optimum for you. The internet suggests they crop well in California.
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Jimmy says...
www.davewilson.com always has good tips for chill and variety info.

The sell zaiger trees in USA as does flemings in Aus.
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allybanana says...
I love Dave Wilsonís website they are so optimistic in there chill hours, 200-300 chill hours for Minnie royal. Thatís nearly as optimistic as my local nursery who sell high chill cherries to people in town which is right on the coast. When I queried about this they said they must be okay, people keep buying them. I tried to explain that the public were relying on the expert knowledge of the nursery staff, to no avail. Itís sad because it turns people off growing fruit trees.

Dave Wilson nurseries donít have Stella listed in their commercial cataloge for me to make a comparison using their chill values. The reason why I am interested is on the coast here Stella appears to give a light crop on a cold year, which is about one out of three years. As a comparison to Stella I can gauge other varieties and am also wondering why the prunes are just not bearing properly could it be chill hours do hey need more chill than stella some sites say so.


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Jimmy says...
stella is in the home garden section?
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allybanana says...
Whoops! somtimes i feel downright silly! 100-200 chill hours less than stella perfect for here. Sorry Jimmy i still think yor a bit warm for them, you would be best sending them over here to me.
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amanda says...
And we all wait with bated breath for Jimmy's trees to bear fruit! :))

I would definitely be happy to try these guys when we move south Jimmy - so keep us posted please?!

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allybanana says...
Hi has anyone managed to order low chill cherries through their local nursery, to be available this winter.
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Jimmy says...
Flemings list a double graft Minnie Royal and Royal Lee tree in their coming seasons wholsale order form.

Unforunatley, they are full size trees.
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Jimmy says...
PS The royal lee fruit last year was dead tasty with a real cherry flavour, the minnie royal is more like the cheriies you buy in the shop ie sweet but not overly full with cherry flavour.
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Jim says...
Has anyone had any luck getting their hands on these? I made a few calls to local nurseries that Flemmings supply but they had no idea.
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Jim says...
Okay to answer my own question for the benefit of others. There is some bare rooted stock coming west (double grafted), which has already been sent out. I spoke to one of the main nursery chains in perth and they were only getting a small handful in. So assuming my experience was representative I would suggest getting in before these are snapped up.
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asder says...
Are they really on dwarfing rootstock? They are Flemings ,I presume.
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Jim says...
Hi Asder, I didn't ask. Yes you are right about Flemings being the wholesaler.
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gus says...
What nurseries to flemings supply Jim?

I understand if its top secret.
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Jim says...
Hi Gus, no secrets, I don't know the full list of nurseries but the one I was told to contact was Dawsons. However, when I rang my local Dawsons they were clueless so I gave the head office a call and they were uptodate.
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gus says...
Thanks Jim. I have previously asked at Dawsons and have also had the same blank stare.
Any ideas when they may be available?
I had all but given up finding one of these trees
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Jim says...
Hi Gus

Ring the Forrestfield HQ (94536533), they know all about it, and you can reserve one as I did. They didn't specify a date but assume they will arrive sometime in the next few weeks.

Also tell them that you would like to pick it up at your local Dawsons as they can send it there to save you the trip.
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gus says...
Thanks again Jim

I will gie them a call.
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gus says...
I gave them a call and they had no idea what I was talking about.
I guess it depends who you get on the end of the line
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Jim says...
Hi Gus

I rang them again. I didn't speak to same person (forgot her name) however Trisha said for you to call back and to ask them to put the order in (just describe it to them ie flemmings double graft etc). She said that they may not know of the specific order but if you ask them to record it then it will be fine.
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gus says...
Thank you very much Jim.
I gave them another call and spoke to Trisha and she has my details. Earlier in the day I also talked to Joondalup Dawsons and the guy there told me they were expecting to get in Lappin cherries in a couple of weeks. He hadn't heard of the mini royals or royal lee, but he may be confused. I hope he is. I have really been looking forward to giving these a go. Jimmy sounds like he has had great success
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Jim says...
My pleasure Gus, I'm glad you managed to sort it out.
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Brad says...
don't over rely on the list - I found out via friends they had something in for a couple weeks which i was on a list for - no call. It was also in months earlier than they had told me (which is likely the suppliers info). I like Dawson's FF - just a warning.
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asder says...
I bet there would be enouugh people to satisfy Fleming's minimum order requirements for low chill cherry as a wholesale purchase.
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Jim says...
Hi Gus

In case you didn't get the phone call, the stock has arrived has been sent out. If they haven't contacted you it is probably worth calling them to confirm yours is on its way also.

all the best
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Gus says...
Thanks Jim.
I called them yesterday and they said only a couple have come through so far. They were hoping for more today so fingers crossed.
CAn't wait to get these things growing.
I assume they are dwarfs? If so I think I will pot them
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Jim says...
Hi Gus, I hope you get yours soon mate. Unfortunately they are not dwarfs. But that doesn't mean they can't be put in a pot. Cherry trees on some of the orchids I have been to are kept pretty small through hard pruning.
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gus says...
Thanks Jim, I hope so too.
I have phoned them for the last couple of days but it sounds as if supplies trickle in slowly and go to people that have ordered them earlier than me.
They had a couple in today but they were promised to someone else. It is encouraging to hear they wont sell things off that people are waiting for.
Hope they call soon!
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Wazzbat says...
I also rang today and got the same story Gus so hopefully I will be able to get my hands on one soon too? I was also happy to hear that they were holding their stock for others who had previously ordered them.

I was also told that "yes they are" grafted onto a dwarf rootstock, which is good news for me if that's true?

I also rang Wandilla Nursery where I was promptly told not to bother because it definitely wouldn't fruit where I live (East Vic Park) and they didn't have any in stock anyway. I'm alllowed to try aren't I? The lady I spoke to at Dawsons told me that they should fruit this year with the cold mornings we are having??? I guess unless I have one in my garden, I won't find out if one would fruit in my garden???
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gus says...
Its all very bewildering isn't it?
Did you have any luck yourself Jim?
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Jim says...
Hi Gus, yeah I picked mine up the other day. When I originally posted here I had only just called and you rang not long after. So in theory you should be next in line. Remind them of this if you have to call again. Sorry it has become a hassle.
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gus says...
Its no big deal and certainly not your fault Jim. Hopefully I will hear from them next week. You just always get a feeling that these things can go belly up. Hearing that you managed to get one is encouraging though. Did you get both varieties?
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Jim says...
Hi Gus, I know what you mean. Until it is banked there is always a level of doubt. Yep, it is a double graft. There is nothing on the info sheet describing the rootstock but I was told by Dawsons it wasn't a dwarf. Probably should ring Flemings to confirm. Here are some photos.
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Wazzbat says...
That's pretty funny that they told you it wasn't a dwarf root stock but they told me it was??? I'm guessing if there is no info then it wouldn't be dwarf?

Did you pick your's up from Swanbourne or FF Jim?
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gus says...
They told me it was a dwarf aswell.
I suspect they are dwarf but don't say so on the tag. Those staff that have been informed will know so but I guess some will not have been told.
Seems that these low chill double grafted were usually on dwarf stock, but I could be wrong
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Jim says...
Hi WB/Guss, I got mine from O'Connor, as that is the closest. Anyway I spoke to Flemings and they said that it wasn't on a dwarfing rootstock. To me it isn't a big issue. I have some stone fruit as dwarfs and others I just prune more.
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BJ says...
Do any of the WA centres send to the East Coast? That's probably quite a novel idea...
Does anyone know if Flemmings will be releasing these to the East Coast at any stage in the future? I'd assume so, but assumption is the mother of all treeless sods.
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Wazzbat says...
Well. Looks like I missed out this year :(
Just got a call from Dawson's and they didn't get as many as they were hoping so I will have to wait another 12 months now. Bugger.
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gus says...
I hesitantly admit to snaring mine Wazz. The staff have apparently been inundated with calls for these. They are so popular that I am sure that they will become very common in the not too distant future.
Thanks again for your help Jim.
Are you going to keep yours in a pot Jim?
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Jim says...
Commiserations Wazz, I agree, if Flemings have the supply they will be common place next year.

No worries Gus, I'm glad you got yours, it wouldn't have felt right after mentioning it here and then being the only one to get one.

I think mine will go in the ground,still undecided though, as i have some empty wine barrels sitting around.
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gus says...
Always difficult deciding these things. All my fruit trees are on notice at any stage. I shift them around regularly and am often surprised when suddenly something takes off. I had a black sapote that after three years seemed to have all but died in the ground. I pulled it out and stuck it in a pot expecting it to see out its days there. I was shocked to find it blossoming and growing fruit within a few months.
I assume that when these cherry trees are dormant they may survive with no direct sunlight? I have a spot that gets no sun in winter that may be perfect for this tree.
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Wazzbat says...
It's all good Gus. It's not your fault there werent enough plants for everyone. Hopefully you and Jim get plenty of fruit off them? Keep us posted.
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gus says...
Will do Wazzbat. It will be interesting to see how they go. Got to get myself a huge pot now, but suprisingly hard to find one big enough.
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Wazzbat says...
From what I have heard, you are better off starting in a smaller pot. That way, after a couple of years, it makes it easier to transplant it into a bigger port with newer potting mix. You can keep upgrading the pot size as you re new the mix? I have that problem with my orange and mandarine plants which I planted into wine barrels straight up. Now I have no idea how to get them out to renew the potting mix???

Anyway, there might be a chance I can still get a cherry tree. Will know for sure by tomorrow. Very excited. Will let you all know.
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gus says...
Fingers crossed for you Wazz. I hope you have some luck as we perthians must snap up what few opportunities arise for us.

I plan to get the most humongous pot I can get to avoid having to repot in years to come. I have no idea how people repot a wine barrel full of potting mix. I guess you might be able to seat the barrel in a larger pot and cut it out with a saw. A wine barrel full of potting mix and tree must weigh a ton?
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Wazzbat says...
Hi Gus. Unfortunately you really need to replace the soil in the pot after 2 to 3 years at the latest otherwise the plant will struggle a bit. That's why I think you would be better off stepping up the pot size as you need to renew the soil/potting mix. I wish I has of done that with my orange and mandarine trees.

That's what I plan to do with the new cherry tree I just brought home anyway! I got it. Dawson's rang me up and said that someone failed to pick up their tree. They tried calling him/her 6 times but no answer so their loss is my gain. I don't have to wait another 12 months after all.

Another tip might be to leave the tree in the pot until the roots have established a bit. I have had a problem before trying to plant previously bare rooted trees. All the soil fell off and it was almost a disaster. I plan on leaving my tree in its pot for at least a few months. All this assuming you have not yet potted it already?

Good luck.
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gus says...
That is great news Wazz. Must be your lucky day because the ladys I was talking to were saying that they were having to hide them from queue jumpers. I suspect a few people missed out.

That is good advice on the pots. I have done nothing so far but may opt for a smaller pot for the time being. I guess the problem is that eventually the tree will need a huge pot and the contents of that pot will one day need to be replaced. I guess that is a problem for the future and us cherry people should just count our lucky stars!
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Wazzbat says...
Too true about the big pot it ends up in. I guess we can only delay the pot size for so long?

Will report back as soon as I see some flowers and then hopefully fruit.
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MaryT says...
Hi Wazzbat, you don't always have to pot the tree 'up'. You have the option of keeping the tree compact and trim the roots instead, i.e. bonsai it.
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Wazzbat says...
Thanks Mary. Good point. That's what I was planning on doing with my citrus. Was going to try cutting the roots nice a clean with a big saw while it's still sitting in the wine barrel. Hopefully I don't kill them?

I think I have found a nice place to plant the cherry tree now though. Only problem is its out the front of the house so passers by might knock off any cherries we will hopefully get. Worth the punt to get a nice big cherry tree rather than keeping it in a pot.
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gus says...
I agree Wazzbat.
Hopefully you will have so many cherries you wont know what to do with them. I have certain trees that I would be glad for the public to raid.
I am sure other kinds of critters will be more of a problem. I don't think the people of perth will be that familiar with the look of a cherry tree. You can always cover them with nets that keep out all forms of raiders.
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Gus says...
Did you prune your tree after planting Wazz? It says so in the instructions but I don't really see the point at this stage.
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Wazzbat says...
Haven't planted yet and I don't plan on pruning yet. I probably won't plant it out until next winter to be honest. And at that stage I dare say I will be pruning it prior to planting. If I was going to plant it now, I wouldn't bother pruning yet unless you are looking for a different shape?
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Gus says...
I just planted mine in a medium sized pot but noticed that on the ticket it suggested pruning after planting.
I can't really imagine why pruning would be so important on such a juvenile tree?

Think I will give it a skip unless I am convinced otherwise
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Julie says...
You may not need to prune Gus, but this advice is nearly always given with new trees. It gives you a chance to send branches in the right direction from the start, and remove any unnecesary ones.
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Gus says...
Thanks Julie. I am just going to let it grow and let nature take its course!
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gus says...
Any of you guys had some new leaf growth? Seems early?

Been a strange season, my bluberry bushes are producing some of the best blueberries of the year right now in the middle of winter.
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amanda says...
I have baby peaches already :-O (low chill tree...but still - it's very early) I hear lots of folks are getting b/berries in Perth now too...nice winter bonus hey?

And yet - my blueberries are still losing their leaves and not even leafing out...mustn't have been cold enough up here yet..?
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Jim says...
Hi Gus, getting it also, been pretty cold in Perth lately, might explain it.
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Julie says...
Mine are still losing their leaves too - one of them is the most glorious shade of red. I've pressed the leaves and hope they hold their colour.
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Wazzbat says...
My Blueberries have been struggling since I planted them more than a year ago :(
They look dead atm.

Most of my stonefruit have lost (or all but) lost their leaves now. Time to get the secateurs out soon :)

My Crimson Baby Nectarine tree's leaves turned an awesome dark red before dropping off. It is nice to look at Julie.
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gus says...
I have had 0 success growing blueberries in the ground. Had great success in pots with acidic soil though.
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CAL says...
I have a stella on dwarf root stock from Diggers...Will I be able to grow cherries in Hunters Hill Sydney...that is the question?
It certainly feels cold enough (was 4-5 degrees this morning air temp)...
Anybody have any success in sydney...?
thanks
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Wazzbat says...
Hi Jim and Gus. How are your Cherry Trees going?

Mine has lots of leaves but yet to see any flowers. Bugger! Will they normally show flowers before leaves or the other way around?

Maybe next year? Probably too young for fruit anyways but still would have been nice to see flowers.
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Gus says...
Mine are all leaves and no flowers also.
I suspect that it may be a year or two before they start to fruit.
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Wazzbat says...
Bugger!
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Fran Heydon says...
West Australians can order low chill Cherry Trees from Dawsons Garden World online, delivery $40.00 or you can collect from Forrestfield.

https://dawsonsgardenworld.com.au/product/double-grafted-cherry-minnie-royal-and-royal-lee-305mm-pot/

Website Description:

Double Grafted Cherry Minnie Royal and Royal Lee 305mm Pot


$79.95

Product Description

Cross pollinating pair. Minnie Royal, rounded juicy, red fruit and Royal Lee, rounded to heart shaped fruit. Both varieties mature early December. Low chill varieties requiring around 200-300 chill hours.


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