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tripty starts with ... Hi I got my jakfruit plant (gold nugget), But on the plant it saying it's very sensitive with frost. i live in minto at during winter there will be frost couple of time. would you be able to suggest me how I can keep my plant alive during winter and as I havn't put that on my backyard yet can suggest me where I can put like close to fench would be ok? does big tree also affected by frost? please let me know. regards tripty | About the Author tp sydney 18th February 2011 3:21pm #UserID: 4844 Posts: 6 View All tp's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Nick says... Hi tripty, I've learned from experience that a tree can be protected down to about 0 degrees with only an anti-dessicant (Yates Droughtshield for example) sprayed on and a blanket over the top. Unlike humans, plants contain little or no internal heat so the blanket needs to be down to the ground kinda like a tent to trap the grounds heat(the ground is the greatest natural heat source during winter). I also find that a couple of upturned bottles filled with water help. If you want better protection a heat source such as an incandescent light bulb etc. can be added under the cover. http://www.phoenixtropicals.com/frostDamage.html Good Luck | About the Author Nick T Altona, VIC 18th February 2011 8:42pm #UserID: 2663 Posts: 727 View All Nick T's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Nick T Altona, VIC 18th February 2011 8:42pm #UserID: 2663 Posts: 727 View All Nick T's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Julie says... I saved this ages ago. Hope it is of interest. Biodynamic frost protection Trials of a Biodynamic frost protection spray look to have brought another weapon to the eternal battle between growers and the climate. The trials were funded by the Organic Pipfruit Growers Association after the spray saved an organic apple grower's crop, while others around the Hawkes Bay (NZ) were losing millions to a bout of frosts. The trials of ThermoMax were carried out at NZCEL(Climate Lab) in Palmerston North by Steven Mcartney and Geordie Milne from Hort Research in Hawkes Bay. ThermoMax was sprayed on flowering ‘Royal Gala’/M9 apple trees, 36 hours before a freezing event, which mimicked the October frost in Hawkes Bay which caused all the damage. Trees were in full bloom at the time, and the trial examined the effect on crop density at two sub-zero temperatures. The company marketing ThermoMax says the results are phenomenal, given that ThermoMax is manufactured from the very simple garden herbs valerian, dandelion and stinging nettle, and is Bio-Gro certified. A spring cover to achieve the same result would have cost around $250 per hectare. ThermoMax has already been used with good results on grapes, tamarillos, apples and kiwifruit, producing earlier flowering and increased fruit set. www.bdmax.co.nz Organic NZ, May/June 2003 | About the Author Julie Roleystone WA 18th February 2011 11:08pm #UserID: 154 Posts: 1842 View All Julie's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Julie says... Also this short article. 'Experiments with Seasol have shown that seven days after applying Seasol the product lowers the temperature at which cells will freeze and reduces the movement of water into intercellular spaces. It is the combination of the naturally occurring plant hormones and the alginates contained inSeasol that assists the plant's greater frost tolerance. The 'anti-freeze' effect prevents crop damage and hastens the return to productive growth once the temperature rises. Seasol is taken up by the plant systemically. the resistance effect lasts for several weeks after an application'. | About the Author Julie Roleystone WA 18th February 2011 11:11pm #UserID: 154 Posts: 1842 View All Julie's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 20th February 2011 11:50pm #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author ringelstrumpf1 Blue Mountains 21st February 2011 1:47pm #UserID: 3535 Posts: 148 View All ringelstrumpf1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Looks like I will have to experiment with making my own ringelstrumpf, I rang the Oz distributer today (E.E. Muir and Sons)and wes quoted about $380 for ONE LITRE. I,d like to know how they can justify that. There's a book about the quick return method of compost making that uses valerian, nettles, honey and something else (will have to look it up again) which is based on Biodynamic ideas.Tomatoes should be quick growing frost sensitive subjects to test sprays on, unless someone has a better idea. | About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 21st February 2011 11:15pm #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author snottiegobble 22nd February 2011 3:22pm #UserID: 3468 Posts: 1458 View All snottiegobble's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author sydney 22nd February 2011 3:28pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Charles cant spell says... IF its Bio-dynamic stuff what is the Dilution rate Jantina ? A lot of biodynmics is just homiopathy for plants for that 1 litre may make 10,000L of spray. I am likely siting with Kert in the dilution is not the answer side of the fence. All the spirit power in the world doesn't make plants grow, nutrients do. While I can appreciate that Bio-organic is not a bad system I haven't been convinced its not a con for conscientious and good but gullible gardeners/farmers. What is its used by date etc. ITs expensive trial at that price but it may be very concentrated. I am thinking its more to do with mineral salts on the leaves that limits the frost effects somehow and a little bit of a boost to plant health to aid recovery, rather than any miracle. Anyone tried spraying dilute salt water solution on the leaves as a cheap trial ? | About the Author Charlesstillcantspell1 Perth Innaloo 22nd February 2011 4:42pm #UserID: 2742 Posts: 411 View All Charlesstillcantspell1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... The bloke told me that 1 litre would do 1 hectare CCS.Been very busy today getting rocks for a wall I'm building. Will get the book tonight and post the ingredients they use and people can do their own experiments. I don't understand why it's so expensive because the Biodynamic people sell their preparations very cheaply, about 10 years ago when I made enquiries it was 20 cents for enough Prep. 500 to treat an acre. | About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 22nd February 2011 7:51pm #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... The ingredients for the compost activator are chamomile, dandelion, valerian,yarrow,stinging nettle,oak bark and pure honey. The honey is mixed with sugar of milk at the rate of one drop of honey to one dram of sugar of milk (anyone know how much a dram is?) The other ingredients are dried at a low temp (separately) and when dried crushed to a powder. Then take a teaspoon of each ingredient and mix thoroughly. To use, mix as much powder as covers a five cent piece and mix with one pint of water. Let stand for 24 hours before use. Keeps for 3 weeks. I'm going to do some experiments and vary the combinations. Have to admit that as I write this I'm having a giggle because I can hear you snorting in derision from here kert. Will try the salt water test to CCS. Will also add Seasol to some mixes. | About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 22nd February 2011 11:56pm #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Charlesstillcantspell1 Perth Innaloo 23rd February 2011 2:40am #UserID: 2742 Posts: 411 View All Charlesstillcantspell1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Bunbury/Busso(smack in the middle) 23rd February 2011 2:16pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... No not in the compost recipe. Would you like me to send you a copy of the book? (I know the answer will be yes!}. It's an extremely interesting book to read. By May Bruce and called the Quick Return Compost method. If you google it you will see that they still sell the activator in England. | About the Author 23rd February 2011 4:08pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... This is interesting Jantina/CCS! "Salts" increase the boiling point of water - so do they increase the freezing point too then? (can't remember now..will google) Maybe there are more useful minerals that could be used rather than NaCl..? Just thinking aloud - have no idea really! :) Ok - back from google - yes salts do lower the freezing point of water. Nick mentioned dessicants - and Agar Agar is a dessicant... It would be an interesting experiment to try Jantina.....even if it washes off - it's good for the soil. | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. Mid West WA. 23rd February 2011 8:54pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 23rd February 2011 11:11pm #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Gee - I don't know Jantina!? It can be used as a wetting agent for soil - so it must attract water? We need an industrial chemist I think! :))) From what I could gather - anti dessicants are also called anti transpirants (they block up the stomata to prevent dehydration (via heat or frost) and thus moisture loss) they don't seem to provide an actual physical barrier to frost? Agar would certainly block up the pores I reckon! Droughtshield seems to be made of a biodegradable polymer..they don't say what it is tho'.... | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. Mid West WA. 24th February 2011 3:03pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author snottiegobble Bunbury/Busso (smack in the middle) 25th February 2011 7:56pm #UserID: 3468 Posts: 1458 View All snottiegobble's Edible Fruit Trees |
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YourGardenShow says... I'm looking for the name of a plant dessicant which is a reed - ringed reed? horsetail reed?- to grind (how?) and spray on plants impacted by funghus. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, and best for the season. Lisa Find inspiration, grow your garden, share with others.
| About the Author YourGardenShow Umbria, Italy 17th May 2011 4:30am #UserID: 5312 Posts: 1 View All YourGardenShow's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author amanda19 Geraldton, Mid West WA 17th May 2011 9:12am #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 17th May 2011 10:03am #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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snottiegobble says... Horsetail is full of silica which repairs tissue both in plants & animals. For humans horsetail silica is used to repair haemeroids, urinary track & bladder infections + much much more. Unfortunately it is also a hell of a weed that is hard to get rid of due to its inbuilt silica resilience to herbicides including glyphosate. | About the Author snottiegobble Bunbury/Busso (smackin the middle) 17th May 2011 1:47pm #UserID: 3468 Posts: 1458 View All snottiegobble's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author ringelstrumpf1 Blue Mountains 18th May 2011 10:46pm #UserID: 3535 Posts: 148 View All ringelstrumpf1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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