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John Mc starts with ... How did everyone on the East coast around Sydney fare through one of the coldest June mornings on record? I saw frost where I've never seen frost before. Certain parts of my block had a dusting and certain other areas were frost free. It looks like all of delicates came through unscathed. Some dwarf cavendish banana leaves and a pink ornamental got a little burnt but that's about it. | About the Author John Mc 1st July 2010 10:32pm #UserID: 3496 Posts: 132 View All John Mc's Edible Fruit Trees |
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HappyEarth says... Got down to 1.3 degrees here. We had a light dusting of frost also. No problem with the fruit trees but lost a couple of tomato seedlings and potato plants. Rich www.happyearth.com.au | About the Author HappyEarth1 Wollongong 2nd July 2010 7:00am #UserID: 215 Posts: 94 View All HappyEarth1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author Brendan Mackay, Q 2nd July 2010 8:28am #UserID: 1947 Posts: 1722 View All Brendan's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... A lot of people are in denial for whatever reason :). Still it's 1.3 degrees here almost every night over winter and I have bananas growing without any real problem. So long as it stays above 0c it's all good. Even slightly below 0c not many actual trees are bothered -2 is fine for almost everything | About the Author Jason10 Portland, Vic 2nd July 2010 12:59pm #UserID: 3853 Posts: 218 View All Jason10's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author John Mc 2nd July 2010 10:33pm #UserID: 3496 Posts: 132 View All John Mc's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... My rain tank is dry right now in the middle of Winter for the first time ever if that counts for anything :), if it doesn't rain and rain a lot sometime soon it's going to be a long dry useless for growing summer. But I'm ready for the work around, hence the planed mass hit of nitrogen next month so I can get things growing before it drys out :) | About the Author Jason10 Portland, Vic 3rd July 2010 11:12am #UserID: 3853 Posts: 218 View All Jason10's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... Hey Jason, what time of year do you normally graft your white sapotes? I have some young vigorous seedlings and some decent scionwood on Ortego and Pike (both flowering). The seedlings have greyish year-old bark. Also, would they do ok still in tubes or planted out first? Thanks.
| About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 3rd July 2010 12:00pm #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... hey Jason - our tanks dry 1st winter too...I just did my nitrogen zap yesterday also! I have been waiting for a good soaking rain for months now...depressing isn't it. No wonder the farmers around here have a high incidence of depression etc....I know how agitated I get when it's sunny month in and month out...but at least I can turn on a tap if need be. | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 3rd July 2010 12:07pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author snottiegobble bunbury 3rd July 2010 3:47pm #UserID: 3468 Posts: 1458 View All snottiegobble's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... You west Australians need to plant trees starting on the coast and keep going until you hit Sydney, then it'll rain heaps :) all the way across. It's the only way to fix it. Phil, I graft mine in November same time as Avocados. It'll probably be warm enough for you to graft them well before that, but that's when I do it. I also prefer to plant the seedlings in the ground fairly early on and graft them there in the ground in the final position. I haven't had one fail doing that. I will be grafting some in pots soon (I have about 150 seeds in at the moment) but I think it's better to plant them straight out and graft them in the ground, oh yeah I graft at the solid wood where it turns white/grey not the green stuff. I just tape the graft then put a bag over it, it only takes a couple weeks to start growing most of the time | About the Author Jason10 Portland, Vic 4th July 2010 4:01pm #UserID: 3853 Posts: 218 View All Jason10's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author JohnMc1 4th July 2010 6:20pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author Jason10 Portland, Vic 5th July 2010 2:14am #UserID: 3853 Posts: 218 View All Jason10's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 5th July 2010 6:18pm #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 5th July 2010 7:36pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author MNash1 Terranora Northern NSW 5th July 2010 7:39pm #UserID: 2892 Posts: 292 View All MNash1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... Yeah there was another one left, at Sophia's garden centre, just out of Nerang on the way to Numinbah. Although the other plant wasn't labelled but the nursery attendant said they only bought the one variety to sell, the unlabelled one was a better shaped plant but I took the one with the faded "Dade" label just to be sure. I don't think they know much about fruit trees there, the plants look like they had been there for a while. Hey BJ good to know there are named varieties at Bunnings, haven't seen them offered there before. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 5th July 2010 8:02pm #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author Peter24 Casterton,Vic 5th July 2010 8:09pm #UserID: 3905 Posts: 2 View All Peter24's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... Yes, they always seem to have Vernon and Dade here. I have seen Pike and Ortego once also. But their Dades often look quite healthy, and as your ordinary Bunnings shopper has little idea of what a White Sapote is, they heavily discounted one for me and I'd have to be daft to turn my nose up at a $20 large grafted dade in full flower with a few small fruit already formed! | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 5th July 2010 8:23pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author JohnMc1 5th July 2010 11:46pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... Peter, nah I don't sell any but I'll give you a couple or swap you for something or whatever, which one do you have growing now?. I always wondered how well they would grow in Casterton, it looks a really fertile place. I'd like to live there myself one day but the wife is stuck working here right now and there doesn't look like much going on in Casterton in that way. Pike is very reliable here, Reinecke commerical looks like it will be a good one now that it's started firing on all cylinders but mine was verrry slow to come into bearing. Phil I do have a Dade, unfortunately my taste bads don't rate it, so after year one that tree has been on a slow mission to no where, I hope it'll be better in your climate. I have a few varieties in bad spots so they haven't gone anywhere, Vernon grows well but doesn't fruit much here, Vista and Ortega are OK, Pike makes by far the most fruit so far but Reinecke looks like it will out do it this year, remains to be seen if it does that every year. I'm still a bit suspect on it since it took 9 years to flower properly. All the ones I have fruiting reliably until this year Vista/Ortega/Pike/Vernon taste similar with Pike being perhaps slightly not as good as the others, none are a fruit I would want to eat more than one a day, they taste great first time. But they just aren't something I can eat kilos of like most fruits. The variety Chris on the other had is a total winner that's nothing like any other sapote I've tasted and I have one little dodgy tree of that, that is going to be where I put most of my efforts with sapotes for the next couple years. Getting that tree healthy and getting some grafts from it up and growing. I also have a few seedlings near maturity (one just started flowering in the last few weeks) So hopefully they turn out good, it's been a long wait | About the Author Jason10 Portland, Vic 6th July 2010 2:38am #UserID: 3853 Posts: 218 View All Jason10's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 6th July 2010 9:37am #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Hey BJ, I m in luck. My local Bunnings will acquire any plant that is available at any other store, even from interstate. They also told me that if I know the whereabouts of my plant, eg a Vernon and or Dade white Sapote, at say, the Stafford store, to let them know and they ll get it for me. UPDATE: Just rang Stafford, very helpful, but out of stock. He say s the exotics like that come from a wholesaler called Birdwood Nursery. Anyway, I ll ring around a few more stores. Other than a very early bearer, what other characteristics do they possess? (dade and Vernon). | About the Author JohnMc1 6th July 2010 7:16pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Peter says... Jason,thanks for info on your sapotes, would try any you had about.Mine is a hawaiian supreme, is still very small but looks healthy, been in since last spring. Also have a diggers white sapote, looks like a seedling, growing well been in nealy 2 years, no idea on variety.Might be at Heywood footy Sat, be good to see your avocadas and sapotes sometime, any direct contact number available. Not all Casterton fertile ground, infact are located on grey sandy ground. Cheers | About the Author Peter24 Casterton,Vic 6th July 2010 9:26pm #UserID: 3905 Posts: 2 View All Peter24's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... Peter, email me at cherimoya removeallthis @ gmail.com . I don't check that very often but I will for a couple of days. I'm working on organizing a few trips around everyones gardens in the area that's into rare fruit growing. There's three here worth seeing, Jantina wants to come over also and there's a few guys over near Warrnambool also that have some good places too. We used to do that all the time but somehow forgot about it for the last 5 years or so. That'll be in Late Spring but if you are over here now well then may as well see some things in Winter when they are a bit more trashed too | About the Author Jason10 Portland, Vic 7th July 2010 3:07am #UserID: 3853 Posts: 218 View All Jason10's Edible Fruit Trees |
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epiphany says... Jason...I'm not looking for one now as I'm waiting to see if an Ortega graft has taken on my white sapote seedling...but in the future (assuming the graft does well & I can then do a 2nd graft on the remaining branch), if you had any Chris scion available, would you be willing to swap/sell some scion wood by any chance? It's supposed to get down to -1 on Friday in our wee patch of Melbourne...coldest night so far. It'll be interesting to see how the garden fares as we have quite a few tropicals (although they've done really well so far, so fingers crossed!). | About the Author epiphany2 Melbourne 7th July 2010 7:58pm #UserID: 703 Posts: 84 View All epiphany2's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... Chris is a really good fruit so I'm going to sacrifice pretty much all the tree I have into scions later in Spring, hopefully within a year I'll have tripled the wood I have of Chris. Sometimes with nursery grown sapotes they are just not on strong rootstock and you have to grow your own to get a good one. But yes once I have more wood I'll swap/give it. One sapote I want one day that I don't have is Rainbow, a few people in South Australia have it, it's supposed to be a pretty good one. When did you graft the sapote? I've never tried grafting them this late in the year but late spring and early summer works good | About the Author Jason10 Portland, Vic 7th July 2010 9:08pm #UserID: 3853 Posts: 218 View All Jason10's Edible Fruit Trees |
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epiphany says... I grafted it a couple of weeks ago. Both my seedling (the rootstock) & the scion were actively growing (albeit not as much as it would be later in the year), so I gave it a go (I've read they can be grafted any time of the year but would imagine Spring would work better - it was more a matter of getting the scion then, so gave it a go to see). We'll see if it takes or not. If it doesn't, the lady I got it from offered to give me more in Spring. Do you mind if I contact you later on in the year? Or you can contact me via my gardening blog page: http://myfolia.com/gardener/epiphany | About the Author epiphany2 Melbourne 7th July 2010 10:03pm #UserID: 703 Posts: 84 View All epiphany2's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 7th July 2010 10:07pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Rev says... Ive grown Acacias from near gero on the east coast and when on a year it dipped below -5c, some places several C lower again in pockets - and they were unscathed. All the data ive been reading re climate change and variability in the past suggest the weather is always changing and uneven. One hemisphere can cool while the other heats up, and local regions get wetter or colder while nearby ones do the opposite. its a dogs breakfast, and thats just 'normal' variability Anyway i suspect The geraldton flora has seen some episodes that are much wetter, much colder, hotter and drier at different times and theres a hidden tolerance to extremes. And its the same elsewhere too. Best we can do is plant for the average, and throw in a few varieties that do better in a dry year, or a cold winter, or hot year. IME one off cold snaps do less damage, esp if preconditioned by preceeding lower averages. Best stuff for frost is horticultural fleece - 'reemay' fabric or 'Frost guard' comes rated to -3 and theres one to -6. Its really amazing how well it works | About the Author Rev North qld 8th July 2010 4:27am #UserID: 1806 Posts: 359 View All Rev 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Rev says... of interest the lleuwin current that takes the warm water along the coast has shown a wekaning trend over the last 4 decades. Its implicated in the irregular perulus settlemnet of rock lobsters you'd have heard about too. Its also the reason WA doesnt look like the atacama or namibia! so as its wekened the rainfall in SW WA has also been dropping over the last 4 decades (down 30%). im sure somebody will blame it on GW however when it picks up again in its cycles it'll also intensify the cyclones up north - which someone else will blame on GW. LOL anyone read the fable of Henny penny? too close to the truth. The reality is that the current and projected climate are well within the bounds of the last 4-6 million years natural cycles,and many australian species of plants are at least that old (incl the acacia species i referred to earlier) and have lived through many a troublesome time. No coincidentally hominins are also about that old, because its when the world started to shift to its current highly variable on again off again ice sheet phase. expect the unexpected. weve only been here 200 years, it only looks like climate change because thats just long enough to remember how it was, but not long enough to see it goes in cycles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_Australia#Pre-instrumental_climate_change | About the Author Rev North qld 8th July 2010 4:56am #UserID: 1806 Posts: 359 View All Rev 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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