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Cudrania tricuspidata/ Chinese mulberry

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micarle starts with ...
This small tree is listed as a weed in Aus i think?? But does anyone grow it?? Or have they tasted the fruit??? I like the look of it and would love to give it ago in my fruit cage! But i doubt its even here..
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
B & T World Seeds have it listed for sale for 8 Euros per pkt. You'd probably have to run it past AQIS tho as the only Cudrania permitted at this stage is C. cochinchinensis. Maybe someone in Australia is already growing it, it is used as a food plant for silkworms.
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micarle says...
Phil Thanks. I probably will have to buy seeds for oversea's but i think Aqis will swoop! I'm not really sure if it is in Australia ( It probably is ) but i will keep my eye's out. I'll let you know how i Go...
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Benjamin says...
Hi miracle,

Re: Cudrania tricuspidata Bureau
and Morus alba

It is an excellent edible gift from nature. I love to grow one in my garden as the fruits contain polyphenols. The antioxidative activities of water-soluble extracts from leaves of Morus alba (MA) and Cudrania tricuspidata (CT)are phenomenal. Special medicinal effects for ladies.

I am sure we can import the seeds legally from Korea or Japan. The fruits and leaves/extract are so popular to the Koreans and Japanese.

Had better inquire AQIS on the web about its regulations. I think it is permittable for sure.

I imported 'wasabia japonica' seeds from Japan a few years back, that are permitted officially by AQIS. Note that AQIS can give you an excellent service.

Keep in touch.
Cheers.

Benjamin
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micarle says...
Hey Benjamin. thanks for the pointer!! Think i mite follow this up with Aqis, i have a few other things i wana ask about!!!
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Jantina says...
Hi micarle, would you be so kind as to let us know what aquis says as I,d like to try this plant too. Thanks.
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micarle says...
Yep not a prob i will see what they say!!!
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Anauteron says...
Dear all,
Im trying to grow C.tricuspidata in Slovakia where it is totally rare. the trees originated from US stocks are already 30cm large. Currently Im writing the monography from all those facts spreadead around the internet to put them together in one nice book. Does anybody know where to get some literature about the cultivars? As I know, there are some cultivars in Asia up to date. If you have any idea, please write me an email: wlladyx@gmail.com
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Paolo says...
Hi Benjamin, would it be possible to get some cutting of your Cudrania tricuspidata/ Chinese mulberry?

I can give you some cuttings from any of my (290 fruit trees, some very rare)

Paolo
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peter says...
hi paolo,
jut wondering if you still have jades
over there in melbourne during winter.
did you end up finding a passive
water heater.
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Paolo says...
I found some option for water heating.

Vacumm Seal Tubes... Still work on this one.

Other option for thermal mass is tyres filled with soil behind the plants in need to collect the sun heat during the day and release it at night.

Pond, water area in the middle of plants for the same principle.

Jades? What Jades?

Paolo
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peter says...
hi paolo,
jade perch in your aquaculture system.
i have some here which ive been trying to keep warm on these cold nights,
have them in a small insulated room
but still gets down to 15 degrees
at night.
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Paolo says...
Hi Peter

I have Tilapias now, even better. They Breed easily and require very little attention. They still need warm water.

I have used a pool protection plastic to warm the tanks up and 2 x 300 Watts Heater in use for only 4 hours a day to supplement heating.

The Jade Perch have been eaten.

Paolo

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Mike says...
The creeks are full of T.mairiae and O.mosambicus here and although it is illegal they are a target of fisherman.As good as barra and mangrove jack and way better than flathead and whiting that you catch in the castnet also in intertidal creeks.Jade perch a really a green morph of barcoo grunter I believe and didn't take off in aquaculture.Some Cichlas would be good if you have a heated pond.I have 2 of them.
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peter says...
hi paolo,
TILAPIA, i thought they were illegal
here in ausstralia, what temp range do
they require. where can i get them from.

hi mike,
are those two first fish that you
mensioned fresh or salt water, if fresh
warm or cold.
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Mike says...
They are illegal to keep or catch and they are freshwater but range into brackish mangrove areas where they get bigger (to 1.5kg).All tilapia are african and they are warm water fish.They are some of the most farmed fish across the world.They handle brisbane fine and can be in cold places confined to hot water outflows of powerstations and the like.
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Paolo says...
In Victoria they are 'legally tollerated' as the water is too cold and would be impossible for this fish to survive any Victorian Creek or natural invironment.

I too have T.mairiae and O.mosambicus.

Hi Peter not sure were you could get them in SA... Maybe if you visit Melbourne... Or QLD, you could go fishing with Mike :)

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lew says...
There are some cichlids in Hazelwood powerstation cooling ponds vic. They can only survive in there because of the warm water.

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snottiegobble says...
If its mosquito larvae control you need the best little ( tropicals) by far are White Cloud Mountain Minnows. They survived in Sth west Vic. winters in my sunken ponds & they breed like crazy here in WA Attractive little fish not unlike neon tetras, mountain minnows respond well to hand feeding flakes etc. They do not fin nip other fish & will breed for you if they are given plenty of valisneria & other plants to spawn in.
Warning: Dont buy them from a heated tank at this time of year to introduce to ponds in Melb, Adelaide, Canberra etc. They need gradual temp. change so late spring is best!
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Linton says...
I want to talk about the Chinese Mulberry Che Fruit (Cudrania or Maclura tricuspidata) and whether its worth growing seedling plants.

Down here they seem to sprout and grow readily from seeds as seen in the pictures is one I grew recently. They are supposed to taste like rockmelons but I think that the fruit quality of seed grown trees is not the best.

In Europe there are some nurseries selling better quality grafted melon berry plants which produce seedless fruit and are self-pollinating. So it would be good if someone here could do the same and grow them like they do in Europe so we can enjoy the fruit. I believe this species is worth developing here as they have done over there, we just need someone here to do it!
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sternus1 says...
I've been looking for che for ages. You need a male and female fto get fruit, there is a self pollinating version in the us.
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Linton says...
Hi Sternus

The best Nursery growing seedless, spineless, and self-fertile Che plants is the one in Belgium, De Moerbeiboom where they are grafted onto Maclura pomifera (Osage Orange I believe). It's the first one on the list. Also one in Germany.

http://www.fruitiers-rares.info/articles-A123a128/article126-non-French-nurseries-for-rare-fruits.html

Wish they could grow them here!
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sternus1 says...
Yes, edible landscaping in the us grows them on Osage orange too.

I neArly had them--- but the shadow of Rome us long.....

S
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Francis09 says...
Hi Linton, i would like to grow cudrania. Where did you get seeds from?
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Linton says...
Sorry, I can't remember where I got the seeds, probably from some place online overseas. If you have a look on the internet I think you should be able to find a seller as they are not that uncommon.

Cheers!
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Peter91 says...
Out of curiosity as this reminds me of our native Maclura cochinchinensis just orange fruits instead of red, does anyone grow this or have they tasted the fruits?

Apparently it's one of the less recognized bush foods here but a good tasting one, so maybe an interesting alternative as it's a native?
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Joel15 says...
I have a couple grafted Cudranias, haven't fruited yet though. Does anyone know if it takes awhile for them to get thorns because mine appear thornless?
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Linton says...
It sounds like these are the seedless, spineless, and self-fertile Che plants that are cultivated in the U.S. and Europe. They should be grafted onto Maclura pomifera (Osage Orange) and are the only form of Cudrania that is worth growing.

I didn't think they were available here as I have been looking for this grafted type for years. Is there a nursery in Australia that is grafting them and supplying them commercially now? Thanks.
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Joel15 says...
Hi Linton,
Mine are not self fertile, I have a male and female. I got them from a friend who most likely brought seed in a long time ago. He described them as more of a curiosity than tasty so probably not the most superior variety, though it might just be down to a matter of taste. Hopefully I get fruit this year, already have a couple Maclura seedlings growing incase it's worth grafting.
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Nia20 says...
Joel15,
Hi Joel, wondering how you che tree is doing and if you have any plants that i can buy from you? Thanks
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Joel15 says...
Hi Nia,

I tried to graft a couple last year but was a bit late and they failed. Will try again this year but I have very few rootstocks, need to get more going. You don't really want them on their own roots as they will sucker everywhere.
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Nia20 says...
Hi Joel,
Best of luck and keep me in mind if you ever have any spare plants to share. Ta
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