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Gus starts with ...
Today I decided to take action against the nibblers on my potatoes.

So far I haven't minded if a few small bites on the leaves occur. But in the case of the potatoes, the leaves seem to be disappearing fast.

So I went to my local nursery wanting to buy some organic pest control stuff. Specifically I was wanting EcoNeem as I had read about it.

But alas... the packet has a warning and says it's not suitable for edible crops. Which seems to be at odds with the advertising.

Does anyone know why it is unsafe?


Instead I bought "Nature's Way Vegetable Dust Derris" by Yates as that seemed to be the most natural solution.

Are there any easy organic products to use instead?
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Julie says...
I don't understand that at all. Neem has been developed for edible crops, and used as such for a very long time in India.

In any case, you will be using it on the potato leaves, which you don't eat. Being a plant product, it will break down quite quickly. I would do a search on Neem to see what it says.

Do you know what is eating your leaves?
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Gus says...
Sadly, I don't know what's eating my potatoes.

The product in the store was this one

http://www.ecoorganicgarden.com.au/product.php?id=25

It says on the back of the bottle "not suitable for edible crops"

Daleys sell it too. I'd be interested to know what it is used for
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Gus says...
I rang the company on the phone. The man who answered was very knowledgeable.

He assured me that it was safe to use on food. The reason for it saying "not for food crops" is because there is some form of "Crude Neem" that is deemed unsafe by Australian authorities (can't remember which one).

There is a type of Crude Neem that has unproven links to increased rates of miscarriage. I was assured that the neem used in EcoNeem is very different and is approved for usage in all other countries except Australia.

To obtain the offical recognition would require EcoNeem to do testing on dogs that would need to kill them to study the effects. Which they weren't keen to spend the money on.

So.. that's what I know so far.

Anyone out there who uses Eco Neem?
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earthquakes says...
I just bought some of this same stuff a few weeks ago. I think I have a serious fungus gnat issue in my tomato beds. I went ahead and applied it, assuming that I would eventually hear what Gus just said. Everything I read about the product seems safe to me, and I figured it was just a regulatory thing. I'm not preggers, so I was willing to risk it!

However, I've done 2 soil drenches with the stuff now, over 2 weeks...and I am disappointed to say I haven't noticed any improvement. The gnats are still disgustingly thick. And what I had first seen as tiny ~1cm long little clear/greenish caterpillars or larvae on my beans (and a little bit on the tomatoes as well) have become full on green caterpillars. I was pulling them off every day or two... but they are just eating like crazy. Certainly no improvements... :(

So, I'm not convinced the product has worked for me. Although I am pretty convinced it is safe enough...
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Brad says...
I thought Neem oil worked much like white oil (by suffocating the insects it comes into contact with). A quick google indicates it might be different to this. But i didn't find any clear indication how it works. Anybody know?
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
According to the book I have, all parts of a neem tree are very bitter so it may be the reason the oil is used as insect repellent. When leaves are burnt, the smoke has horible smell that will also suffocate insects.

hope this helps.
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Julie says...
My understanding was that it stopped insects from feeding within a day or two.

It can also work systemically, so bitterness wouldn't be an issue.

If it worked like white oil, well, that would be a very expensive way of doing it. This stuff isn't cheap!
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Julie says...
I just had a look through all the info on Neem I have been collecting for over 20 years - way before I had a computer.

Several articles say Neem is an anti-feedant, also a growth regulator and repellent. Swarming locusts were seen to land on Neem trees, then fly off without eating the leaves.
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Kath says...
bit of trivia re neem trees-when living in Darwin, a mate had a mature neem tree out the front of his house. One day the tree fell over-riddled with termites-so even if the oil is an insect repellant, the tree itself isn't.
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Julie says...
That's very strange Kath, as Neem is supposed to be resistant to white ants!

Cape lilac is a very close relative of Neem, and has many of the same qualities. What I've heard is that when Australia split off from Gondwanaland the tree evolved differently in each region. Neem has more azadarachtin, which is the essential ingredient in Neem oil.
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earthquakes says...
Today I spoke to the aussie company who imports the eco-neem.

They said the same thing that Gus said above...about the animal testing and everything.

Just thought I'd let you know I heard the same story.



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sachin says...
my alphanso mango trees are poorly attacked by thrips. what to do? suggest me some powerful organic products,other wise there will be a big loss of mangoes
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EcoNeem says...
As the maker of EcoNeem I can assure you that it is non toxic before and after flash point; unlike other natural alternatives like sulfer.
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Julie says...
What is 'flash point'? Never heard the expression.

Thanks
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Brendan says...
Hi Julie,
'Flashpoint' is the lowest temperature at which a volatile oil (when heated), will give off explosive or ignitable vapours.
Others might have a slightly different explanation.
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Julie says...
Thanks Brendan - I only understand gardening terms!
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Brad says...
I had a chat to my indian father in law about this a while back while this thread was in hibernation. He said that you won't see instant response to using neem, but the results build up as you continue to use it. He swears by it.

I've not found 'reliable' sources telling me if there is any effect on beneficials, worms etc
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Nellie says...
Brad
Eco-Neem will not harm worms or anything else that is beneficial to the garden
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Brad says...
I'm not disagreeing with you Nellie - I'd just like to see peer reviewed reputable work backing that up
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amanda says...
Hi Brad - I find MSDS sheets can be handy:

http://www.neemamerica.org/PDF/MSDS-NeemOil.pdf

They have to be "truthful" in these! There are plenty if u google MSDS Neem (or try EcoNeem)?
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krakers says...
I just bought some eco-neem from Bunnings after spending about 20 minutes reviewing all of the options on the shelf. Most of the reading I'd done on the net seemed to suggest neem is an ideal "natural" solution to an Aphid infestation of my mini-herb garden.

So I eventually picked the eco-neem product off the shelf and took it home eager to apply...then...shock...horror...I saw the warning message about not applying the product to plants that produce food or crops to be eaten by humans or animals.

Anyways...long story short...thanks for your comments. They have reassured me that neem & eco-neem is the way forward. Fingers crossed in 7-10 days that the little blighters are gone!
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Wayne says...
Krakers and myself are a pair of a kind, I've just come back from Bunnings with some eco-neem and shock horror, I noticed the same thing. The only thing I read there was the price, another shock horror, and I didn't keep the docket to return it.

Anyhow, I've been talking to the guys who make it and it's fine to use. I contacted them because their eco-oil has a strange requirement and it's all to do with Gov. wording regulations.

You can contact them here if you wish info@ocp.com.au
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Irene says...
I've bought Eco-Neem to use on my vegetable garden and am not able to find info. on basic stuff, like what time of day to use it. It's oil based so I guess it's not good to use when the sun is full on the plants? We get a LOT of rain, so do I have to re-spray after the rain?
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Wayne says...
Contact them Irene and get good advise direct info@ocp.com.au
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Irene says...
Thanks Wayne - have just emailed them. Hope they reply before "the hordes" eat everything! Critters - you name it we've got 'em! :)
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Wayne says...
Hi George
You can use Eco-oil as the wetting agent if you wish rather than detergent, it works well.
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Scotchmist says...
For anyone interested. I picked up a bottle of Neem oil a couple of days ago from an Sri Lankan/Indian spice shop. $3.50 for 200ml. Bargain! I believe you only need 3ml to 5ml in to a litre of water and a little liquid soap. Shake and spray.. :)
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Di says...
This is not its atated use but I was desparate. Every time I go into the garden I get covered in itches caused I believe by tiny grass ticks bwhich are too small to see and extract. I tried undiluted eco-neem- just rubbed it on the itchy spot - the itch went away. and I'm still alive.
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lenn says...
Neem never has worked for me . For fruit fly ,for aphids zilch!
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Brendan says...
You need a product called Eco-Naturalure lenn, it does work :-) Check this site:
http://www.organicsaustraliaonline.com.au/prod4103.htm
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lenn says...
Eco Naturalure is NOT neem. And ,yes ,it works ,. Cheaper versions with same mode of action are available.
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Davidjames says...
If you live in Australia the government wouldn't allow Eco-neem to be classified as safe for consumption. However other countries it is sold within e.g. Asia, New Zealand, UK, Europe, USA it is safe to consume with no withholding period.
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Ang13 says...
Did you check the use by date on the back of the bottle?
It has a shelf life of 2 years. If it's out of date it might not be working as it should.
I just brought a 250ml bottle at masters for $39.00 as bunnings only stock the 100ml bottle and it was $20.00 so it worked out cheaper in the long run to get the 250ml or I would of brought it at bunnings.
So I got home and thought I forgot to check the use by date and guess what its out of date (02/13) by over 2 years! So it makes it a 4 year old bottle. So I'll be taking it back tomorrow. Lucky I still have my receipt.
Just goes to show always check the use by dates like you would the food you buy.
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BethL says...
I just tried checking out that website and access denied - bummer
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Ang13 says...
I only use Eco-neem, Eco oil, Eco seaweed & Eco aminogro in my veggie garden. I can't believe I've had basically no pests in my garden this season. I've got heaps of benificial insects & bugs. my plants are thriving and are so healthy. I've got heaps of fruit/flowers on all my veggie plants, all my leafy plants are lush and green.I also plant the Eco bed & breakfast seed mix as well and other benificial plants around my garden & in the garden beds. I highly recommend the Eco range. Wish I found this product a few years back it's worth every cent.
NOTE: I also rang the company before using it on my veggie garden.they assured me it was safe to use but our government hasnt approved it as yet. It is approved in the US & NZ.
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Grandy says...
In reply to Beth's post on 15/11/15, I discovered that the reason the Organics Australia Online website has access denied is because of the following...

"Unfortunately Organics Australia Online and its parent company Shine Lifestyle Group have closed down pending liquidation.

Organics Australia Online are devastated by this unexpected outcome after 11 good years in business.

The liquidators will be in contact with all customers with outstanding orders soon and are not able to provide any further information at this time.

Organics Australia Online apologise sincerely that this has happened and for any inconvenience it might cause. - See more at:http://www.australianorganicdirectory.com.au/RETAIL/Online-Shopping/Organics-Australia-Online.htm#sthash.iFBd4HBD.dpuf"

A pity, as it seems they provided great products! I'd appreciate any tips for where to find other products as good. Is this the range Ang13 has used?
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Capsaicin says...
I've done 2 Eco-Neem treatments now over a fortnight and there has been absolutely no improvement. I've just doubled the recommended dosage and absolutely drenched my chilli plants with it and the soil in the pot too. If it doesn't work this time, I have to conclude that the product is a dud and doesn't work. I'll give you all an update in another fortnight.
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Peter91 says...
Capsaicin I've experienced similar with a variety of plants being attacked, multiple eco neem treatments and no effect basically had to resort to some organic pest spray to stop the aphids rapidly multiplying.
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Capsaicin says...
ok so after multiple eco-neem treatments, there has been absolutely no effect. The product is a dud. Obviously why it's so expensive is because they know you won't be stupid enough to come back and buy it a second time.
I'm sure there are other neem-oil products out there that actually work but eco-neem is rubbish and doesn't work even slightly. Avoid this product
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dslaer20 says...
that because you have to use it everyday not twice a fortnight........lmao.......
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FarmerJan says...
Good day peeps,
I managed a salad leaf farm in South Africa for years and we Used neem oil again any feeding insect.
Neem oil contains its own natural pyrethrins and does not only inhibit feeding but also kills over a few days. The effect is not instant unfortunately.
What we did find was that one needs to use and emulsifier when mixing and using and we used Citrix oil - improved spreading of product and intake by the insects.
We used it as a 24hour witholding period on our lettuce spinach and herbs and never experienced any issues with the labs testing for MRL residuals.
I know that every country has different laws about MRLs and their limits, I have been trying to find answers online but thus far have not been successful.
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McQuil says...
I've used eco-neem about five times on my agapanthus (meely bug infestation) and it has done absolutaly nothing thus far. I have literally saturated the plants, being careful to spray down low between every leaf to no avail. I'm really worried that I'm going to lose around 200 agapanthus plants!
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