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amanda starts with ... Hello - does anyone know how to make a homemade fertiliser brew for fertigation thru' a venturi system at all? (this is liquid feeding thru retic lines). I am currently using Seasol and Powerfeed (fish based) but a 10L container is about $70...with about 100 fruit trees/plants - this doesn't go very far and the cost is a worry for us...any help much appreciated! :) | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 13th August 2009 5:46pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brendan says... Hi amanda, find some old cow manure, (I suppose you could use a bag of cow manure from the garden shop?), put it in a hessian bag, ~ half full, then tie a rope around the top and suspend this in a wheelie bin, then nearly fill with water. Leave it there for a week or two, remove the bag, then strain the liquid. Dilute this, start off about 5 (water) to 1 cow poo 'tea'. It should be the about colour of tea. If it blocks your feeder lines, strain finer. I have used a mix up of 2 water to 1 cow tea. | About the Author Brendan Mackay, Q 14th August 2009 8:10am #UserID: 1947 Posts: 1722 View All Brendan's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Thanks Brendan - is this a fairly balanced feed do u think? I know it's a bit difficult to judge - but do u use it regularly and get good results? The trees all have copious amounts of woodchip, manure, straw and worm castings for long term feeding....but they need a boost at the beginning of spring and end of harvest. Organics are not enough in my sandy soil and also not available as a quick 'hit' at the right time. Can u put other things in the bag (like a bit of fresh seaweed, worm castings, compost etc) ? | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 14th August 2009 9:15am #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Julie says... amanda, when I read your question, my first thought was 'manure tea' as Brendan describes. I am not familiar with a venturi system. My concern was that anything organic would clog the lines. But you are using Seasol and a fish-based product, so maybe not a problem? I would think anything like that would have to be filtered well. If you are close to a beach and can get free seaweed (lucky you!) that would be great. But check with your local council - believe it or not, in some places it is illegal to remove seaweed from the beach! | About the Author Roleystone WA 14th August 2009 2:18pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jimmy says... Market gardeners do it this way... First you need an old tank eg concrete and a centrifugal pump for supply water ex the bore. Put the fertiliser in the tank (dry). Turn on pump and fill tank, then divert water down irrigation lines. Stir tank to dissolve fertiliser. Put a pipe from the suction side of the centrifugal pump into the tank and suck it dry as the water is now going down the irrigation line. The key is the simplicity, if you need 100Kg on 100 trees, you just put the 100Kg in and suck it dry, if the irrigation system is effecient then the feeding will be even. For nitrogen ammounium nitrate was the chocie but its now Urea with low biuret. For K you muts use the sulphate version. | About the Author Jimmy 14th August 2009 2:48pm #UserID: 2548 Posts: 511 View All Jimmy's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Thanks Jimmy - I got some info from an agronomist in Perth who was saying that calcium nitrate is 'king' with professional horticulturalists down there....he said fruit trees need a lot of calcium. I haven't really used any chemical fert's b4 and am worried about my salinity problems becoming worse with them. Looks like I have lots of homework 2 do again!? I have a venturi system which 'sucks' the liquid feed from a tank into the retic lines - it's a very simple set-up that doesn't require anything other than retic fittings and a bit of aquarium type tubing... I will post a pic later (after my Nana-nap...)..there may be others who would like a bit less work too!? | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 14th August 2009 3:36pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Hi Jimmy and all, this is a venturi system - and the agronomist info about Calcium Nitrate (CaN2)- this is from his e-mail: Calcium nitrate is the backbone product of horticulture as all the N is in plant available nitrate form so it is taken up fast. And the only other thing it contains is Ca which i believe is the most important nutrient in horticulture. It has no effect on pH like other N products eg sulphate of ammonia , ammonium nitrate, urea etc. Hope this helps?
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amanda says... OK... I foraged for kelpy type seaweed and put it in a bin with sheep poo and water...so here goes!! Here is a link to a neat video on compost tea..the accent is funny too... :) http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Compost-Tea
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Brendan says... Hi amanda, you could add a good organic fertilizer that has trace elements, like dynamic lifter plus, organic extra etc., it's the pelleted type. Depends on the size of the drum. In a wheelie bin, I add ~ 1/4 of a bucket of organic extra (with the moo poo). Give it a stir every now & then to help it dissolve. I used to use seaweed too, but now we're not allowed to take it??? I grew the best cauliflower ever (no grubs), using seaweed as mulch, I didn't even wash if first. I'd use it as mulch around the fruit trees. It's full of 'goodies'. | About the Author Brendan Mackay, Q 17th August 2009 5:55am #UserID: 1947 Posts: 1722 View All Brendan's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Thanks Brendan n Speedy...after rough weather the seaweed piles up into noxious mountains on the beaches here! pongs! Mostly seagrass so I have to pick out the good bits. Council takes it away with trucks n front end loaders too! (to stabilise dunes) I was pondering what to add to it to give it that extra punch when needed - the video clip above also talks about alfalfa - as it has some kind of plant stimulant properties. Worth a try too I reckon!? :) Now Grace at school - I have lots of time to collect it so yes - mulching n composting to come! Fert's are a big expense for me with this size block - so anything low cost/free is good. | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 17th August 2009 9:20am #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Hi Julie - I think the Ecklonia is the flat kelp one...? The other stuff is regular seaweed that hubby cheated with in order to fill his sack quicker!! :)) (and he didn't think I'd notice...) It's not as good as kelp. I picked up these 4 x 190L ex-olive drums 2day for $35 each - they are great - got seals etc... I am going to have a "bank" of liquid fert on the go! BTW ... apparently alfalfa is American for Lucern.
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amanda says... Yes - that's true - because of the urea content. You can use urine diluted 1 in 10 parts no problems - but never "neat" on your plants. My orchard is reticulated with a Biolytix system - which recycles grey and black water...plants love it! But this is a few wees in a 190L container - very dilute - and "broken down" as such (takes weeks to make a seaweed brew apparently?) Urine is actually sterile b4 it's voided - so a very "clean" liquid! I have started growing comfrey - so I will put this in too! And the weeds with seeds. It will b interesting to see how it all turns out!? | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 18th August 2009 8:00pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Kit says... Im thinking of setting up a camp toilet next to my compost heap ( so neighbors cant see me ) with a pvc pipe draining onto ( into ) my compost ....I figure its for me only (male) I think my wife brought up the meatloaf song " I would do anything for love But I wont do that ") ...anyway this saves me flushing countless litres of water down the system and hopefully helps out the compost.....any idea's/advice people ? | About the Author 20th August 2009 6:31am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Hi brendan n Kit...I am planning on having a stall at the locals farmers market on Sat's....I don't want to go back to my day job!! Kit - It shouldn't b a problem - but u may want to b careful about putting too much on - it could get stinky...? Your nose will tell u if this the case tho' :)) grandad did it and there were no dramas... might be good to stop a bit b4 using the compost so that the last wee's have time to break down properly. Urine has potassium in it as well. | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 20th August 2009 9:36am #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brendan says... Yep amanda, just use the seaweed as mulch, it doesn't take long to break down. I used to have it ~ 100mm thick, to stop any weeds popping up. Any worms or micro-organisms will love it and because it contains heap of minerals and trace elements, your vegies will love it too. Although I've never grown it, Asparagus grows mad with seaweed mulch. Don't forget mulch around all your fruit trees with it too. Make it 150 to 200mm thick. You are so lucky getting mulch for free :-) | About the Author Brendan Mackay, Q 21st August 2009 7:54am #UserID: 1947 Posts: 1722 View All Brendan's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... I found this onfo on what kelp is actually made up of (i thought it was interesting)... The chemical composition of the Australian bull kelp, Durvillea potatorum, was determined. As a percentage of the whole stipe dry weight, components were: Crude fibre, 57.40 %; alginic acid, 35.15 % ; "cellulosic" polysaccharide, 22.61 % ; laminarin, 1.79 %; mannitol, 3.20%; nitrogen, 1.21 %; ash, 28.09 %; insoluble ash, 8.81 %; Ca2+, 1.47%; Mg2+, 0.44%; Na+, 1.45%; K+, 3.36%; PO42-, 5.15%; Cl-, 5.87%; SO4-, 3.49 %; I-, 0.25%; and chlorophyll, 0.01 %. | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 22nd August 2009 9:20pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brendan says... Hi amanda, Another old method of fertilizing fruit trees (don't know if you've heard of:), get out the trusty crow-bar and punch a circle of holes around the tree, at the drip-line. Make these holes, if possible, 150 to 200mm deep and ~600mm apart. Fill these holes with a mixture of 2 parts of a good organic fertilizer (dynamic lifter plus,or super growth, or blood & bone etc), 1 part sulphate of potash and 1 part epsom salts. That's all you have to do. Now sit back with a cool drink and watch the trees grow. Can do this twice a year. I go overboard sometimes and space the holes only 300mm apart :-) I didn't have any sulphate of potash one time, so I used wood ash from the bbq. I had the best tasting crop of avocados ever. | About the Author Brendan Mackay, Q 25th August 2009 5:28am #UserID: 1947 Posts: 1722 View All Brendan's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brendan says... Hi amanda, With the above method of helping fruit trees to grow, I just move the mulch to one side first, before punching the holes into the ground. Then after filling the holes with that fert mix, cover with mulch again. As the tree grows, you'll end up with many circles of fertilizer. I find it a very easy method of fertilizing fruit trees. | About the Author Brendan Mackay, Q 28th August 2009 6:15am #UserID: 1947 Posts: 1722 View All Brendan's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Davo says... Hi Amanda, Just been reading your posts and I think the best way to get the nutrients to your plants is to get your water soluable fertilisers through your local wesfarmers or stockfeed place. you should have no problem with blockages and the 20kg bags arent overly expensive and should last you a while, Urea is starting to get fairly expensive now days so i would look into a ammonium nitrate along with a pottasium sulphate, magnesium sulphate is another form of your epsom salts. | About the Author Davo Perth 6th September 2009 1:05pm #UserID: 2762 Posts: 1 View All Davo's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Thanks for feedback Brendan and Davo - Unfortunately I have a big problem with our water supply being saline. Adding chemical fertiliser "salts" to the situation is the worst thing I can do - on a regular basis - and requires very careful management. I have had my soil tested and the Magnesium fine. I do add a little bit of low biuret Urea to the liquid feed in spring - but am changing to calcium nitrate under agronomist recommendation. I can't seem to find a good organic soluble source of nitrogen to use instead - for when the trees hungriest? The organic slow release options are just not enough in my sandy soil. I use tonnes of organics (manure mainly). I am very much against blindly putting chemical fert's on my trees unless I know they need it (eg: iron and zinc sulphate). Not meaning that to sound in anyway offensive - it's just my gardening philosophy :o) | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 7th September 2009 9:36am #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brendan says... Hi amanda, What if you added liquid gypsum to your brew, that will help neutralize the salt(s). Failing that, try dissolving powered gypsum and adding that to the brew. Failing that, apply LOTS of powered gypsum around every tree, that should help. Failing that, try a combination of all three :-) Adding Dolomite &/or garden lime won't hurt, unless your soil is already alkaline. What is your soils pH? PS Did you read that other post where I mentioned bunnings in Mky sell 25kg gypsum for $13.75, and it's mined in WA !!! | About the Author Brendan Mackay, Q 8th September 2009 6:47am #UserID: 1947 Posts: 1722 View All Brendan's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Hi Brendan - yes I did read that! we can't even get 25kg bags in our Bunnings!? Life stranger than fiction sometimes... Have been looking into the Gypflo (liquid gypsum) - can't afford it at present but it's definitely on my hit list! I do use the powdered stuff. pH is perfect. This is where calcium nitrate is good as it doesn't affect pH like the other nitrate fert's. Speedy has given me excellent info on fert's etc in the Blackwater topic. Salinity is managed thru' irrigation techniques in the main - and then careful fert management. If I won Lotto the first thing I would do is flood irrigate the orchard to field capacity and give it a good flush out! ...I can dream... :) One of the benefits of using my rural supplier is that I am now getting a free visit from their horticulture manager shortly... should be interesting.. Are u going to do an Edibles page Brendan? U seem to know a fair bit about growing - what have u got on the go over/up there? | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 8th September 2009 9:10am #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brendan says... Hello amanda, Yeah, I'm working on the Edibles thing, but my old camera is past it's use-by date :-( We've only had 1mm rain in the last 14 weeks straight, and things aren't looking too lush. After we get some rain, I'll borrow a camera and give it a go. I'm a bit of an 'avocado nut', and have 9 avo trees growing at the moment. Some of the older seedling avo trees have been getting a good pruning over the past few years, they don't really like it as they've stopped flowering/fruiting etc. I bit the bullet a while ago and put in 4 grafted avo trees, Reed (A), Edranol (B), Hass (A) & Shepard (B). So when they start bearing, I'll be sick of eating avocados :-) (Being on a disability support pension doesn't help much either.) | About the Author Brendan Mackay, Q 10th September 2009 6:44am #UserID: 1947 Posts: 1722 View All Brendan's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Oh Brendan...that's a miserable amount of rain hey? Last summer we went 7 or 8 months with only "trace" rain..it was bloody awful! Every summer I want to move..but then autumn, winter and spring come along and it's always superb and I stay! Money is probably our biggest limiting factor too. We got 4 ex-battery hens yesterday (my first chooks ever!) and Nick and I built a hen house and run out of ALL recycled stuff - it looks cool and cost about $20. The nesting boxes are the bottom halves of old suitcases from the salvage yard. It was hard work but we are very proud of our efforts :) Water is very expensive here too - my winter bill was $700 alone (4 months)....! :( | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 10th September 2009 7:41pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Steven says... Hi amanda, it would be awsome to make seasol, my plants always respond really well to it but its just too expensive. I tried making a compost tea once, i half filled a wheelie bin with food scraps, manure etc then filled it with water. i figured the water will make it break down really well and quickly................it wasnt a good idea!! i think i stank out the whole neighbourhood. What would happen if you let the seaweed breakdown in the container slowly then as it did you transferred the pulp (squeezing out as much water as you could) to another container full of worms to break down all the pulp. So you had two containers one with the juice with bacteria breaking it down the other with worms breaking down all the pulp. once it was all broken down really well put the pulp in a large sac mix it with the juice and fill it up with water. it might break down alot better so you have more nutrients available and it probably wont stink and the pH will be closer to neutral. worm farms also make great compost tea, but not alot of it. If you figure out how to make seasol please let me know :) Regards Steven | About the Author Steven Eastern Melbourne 15th June 2010 11:48am #UserID: 704 Posts: 325 View All Steven's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Steven says... Ohh btw, i remember watching a documentary once about a group of people trying to develop a toilet that separates number 1's and 2's. they want to figure out a way to put urine through a chemical filter to remove pharmaceuticals etc and then use the urine for agriculture, i think in powered form. It was really interesting. | About the Author Steven Eastern Melbourne 15th June 2010 11:52am #UserID: 704 Posts: 325 View All Steven's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Hi Steve - don't quote me but I am fairly sure that Seasol is made by drying the kelp - blending it super fine and then resuspending it as a concentrate. I have put seaweed in the bottom part of my worm farm (where the liquid accumulates) The worms did a great job of breaking it down in there and the liquid was very good. I don't know if they would live on seaweed alone - but I will try it and see. Will post back results when I do. Something like this may be the go - I need it on a much bigger scale - but little steps first :-)) | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 15th June 2010 6:47pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Steven says... Hey Amanda. Yeah i was thinking that too to be honest. the worms will probably die. if you could figure out a way to crush it you could easily make a concentrate out of kelp. what if you dried it, put it through a mulcher then added just enough water to cover it and attached something on the end of a drill similar to what painters use to mix paint only with blades on it like a barmix. you could blend it to a fine mush. | About the Author Steven Eastern Melbourne 16th June 2010 5:00pm #UserID: 704 Posts: 325 View All Steven's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Thats's novel Steven! U can get commercial size hand blenders too.... we do have mulcher with gristing attachments (for wheat et) - that might work. Our block is probably going to be sold to developers in the near future - which means my whole garden will be bulldozed :-( So I am kind of not bothering to do much anymore. I guess I will be madly digging UP trees this winter!? | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 20th June 2010 11:22am #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Hi again Steven - i was thinking about your compost tea. From what I can gather from the Net - the best ones are made with aeration - such as an aquarium bubbler. The idea is to keep them aerobic - otherwise you end up with a big stinky soup (which is anaerobes at work). The other way to make it - is to make hot compost and then suspend some of this (in a stocking or such) in a big bucket or drum of water for a few days and use the "tea" I like your idea with the drill! it wouldn't take much to glue some razor blades or such to the painters stirring gadget. Wouldn't it be great if u could buy bulk powdered seaweed!? I might investigate as I know it's used as a supplement in horse feed. | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 21st June 2010 9:54am #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... cheapest google search: seaweed meal $112 for 25kg from NORWAY???. Where is the Tassie stuff? Possibly large carbon footprint for an organic product....? I also found "fossilised guano" as an organic source of phosphate....surely a non-renewable resource..? I'm confused :-( PS - that eco-cweed stuff comes all the way from Canada.... | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 21st June 2010 9:13pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Palitu says... i am going to try an aquarium shop. They tend to use them to oxygenate the water going through the filter. they may be able to suck up enough fertiliser. I don't want a lot to go through, as it will be done at least once a week, depending on the volume of wee, but i do want it to spread fairly evenly through the retic system. | About the Author palitu Perth 17th February 2011 1:01pm #UserID: 4865 Posts: 2 View All palitu's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... My butcher was telling me today that he throws out 100's of kilo's of fat on a regular basis - it's a shame it can't be made into a fertilser or something...? (as there must be tonnes of be thrown out every week all over Aust..) I wonder if a lard spray could protect trees from frost! lol... | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton, Mid West WA 18th May 2011 3:12pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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