GMO corn chips (forum)

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Kind of puts you off buying any MONSANTO product doesnt it? Read www.mercola.com latest on GMO corn & everything else grown GM. Indian harvesters are covered in itchy sores!
No more Doritos or nachos for us!!
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Time: 3rd April 2010 8:57pm

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Jason says...
Hey thanks for the info - worth taking heed.

Time: 4th April 2010 1:43pm

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VF says...
Thought this might be of interest - no GMO corn for Hungary and Peru http://idealistrevolution.blogspot.in/2013/03/hungary-destroys-all-monsanto-gmo-corn.html Quite pro-active.

Time: 21st March 2013 7:50am

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snottiegobble says...
Australia produces only 6% of the worlds maize & the USA maize is now 88% GMO adulterated. Cornflakes are made from maize & if you look at any of our packets they state "MADE IN AUSTRALIA" not "PRODUCE OF AUSTRALIA yet there are NO GMO labels to be seen! We have the right to choose what we eat!

Time: 21st March 2013 11:55am

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VF says...
SG, I find it hard to sift through the many real studies and dodgy ones, but there seems to be some real concerns regarding long term health effects. I too would like to be able to make an informed choice until I'm convinced otherwise, especially where my children are concerned.

Time: 23rd March 2013 9:06pm

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ringelstrumpf says...
You really must take care. Think of cornflour you use for pudding and thickening....
It is really difficult to avoid GMO.

Time: 25th March 2013 2:51pm

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Julie says...
If you check the labels, you'll see that most cornflour is actually made from wheat. Whitewings is the exception. I'm pretty sure it comes from NZ and is not GMO, but you might want to check that.

Time: 25th March 2013 8:56pm

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snottiegobble says...
If it says 'NO Gluten' it cannot be wheat. What is really worrying me are CORNFLAKES! None of our packets, generic or otherwise say " grown in Australia" or "Australian grown". What they do say is "made in Australia from local & imported products" & as we only grow 6% of the worlds maize that cornflakes are made from, & USA maize is 88% GMO contaminated, my bet is that the maize in our cereal is mostly imported & contains GMO!

Time: 31st March 2013 2:01pm

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Julie says...
sg, I find a quick email to a company usually gets me the info. Then you don't have to guess- that is, if they reply, and they generally do.

Time: 31st March 2013 6:34pm

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Jason says...
I'd say most of our corn is GMO. I can't eat corn anymore because I've been gluten intolerant for years and corn is close enough in its proteins that I lost it eventually too. From my perspective they are both evils of the modern world gmo or not, wheats protein structure changed decades ago to something indigestible simply by human selection so you don't need a lab to ruin something, that just wastes less time while ruining things :).

My brother and wife both have no problem with gluten but corn messes them both up these days. Even my conventional gp thinks corn is killing everyone Lol.

Time: 1st April 2013 2:41pm

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Julie says...
Jason:

'Currently, the only genetically modified food crops produced in Australia are canola and cotton, but a variety of other GM foods can be imported and used as an ingredient in packaged foods. Foods where GM ingredients are highly refined do not need to be labelled as containing GM products.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1216977/Factbox-GM-foods-in-Australia



Time: 2nd April 2013 1:22am

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Jason says...
I've never even seen a corn plantation in my life but seen plenty of packets of Doritos and CC's, I'm sure 99% of it is imported and gmo

Time: 2nd April 2013 1:58am

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Julie says...
Jason, I checked CC's yesterday. In large letters on the front it says:
'100% Australian corn', so not GM.

I have emailed the makers of Doritos, as I couldn't find any info.

I am entirely opposed to GM food, but please be careful casting aspersions - check the facts first. I'll let you know about the Doritos when they reply.



Time: 3rd April 2013 2:29pm

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Jason says...
Ok Julie, but the point of the story is corn is just as dodgy with or without gmo so it makes no difference. The stuff is no longer what it used to be.

Time: 3rd April 2013 5:31pm

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Julie says...
Agreed. But it's still important to separate the effects of eating corn from arguments about GMOs.

Though I do like my fresh home-grown sweetcorn! No problems there.

And I thought the point of the story WAS GM food.



Time: 3rd April 2013 8:57pm

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Jason says...
Point of the original post maybe:), I was just trying to highlight the problems with grain proteins specifically Corn (and Wheat) and the auto immune problems they create. Which are beginning to be well known, what exactly gmo additions to these foods does is still pretty unknown.

Not sure what's worse, eating foods that you know kill you or foods that probably do.. lol

Time: 3rd April 2013 11:02pm

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Julie says...
I had a call from the makers of Doritos today. The lady assured me that they are made from all Australian corn, which means no GMOs.

So now we know and can stop guessing.

Time: 4th April 2013 8:25pm

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amanda says...
There is an important point with GMO that is not being discussed - and it's called evidence based science...The Greens are onto it - and are trying to introduce a Bill into Parliment...The same thing is happening in the US also..(google greens minority report)

The APVMA Act is undergoing review(pesticides and vet medicine authority)
The APVMA is also responsible reviewing, approving and/or investigating Biological Agents - which includes GMO's

GMO's have not even been nominated for investigation by the APVMA - because we need to wait for there to be "evidence based science" to trigger and alert...

Check out the list of chemicals under review at the APVMA web site etc..
They are only just forming a new Dpet to deal with Biological Agents now..(bit late?!)

It's a hard concept to understand but: The manufacturer's only have to prove their product is SAFE...as opposed to UNsafe...
This link explains this very well (it's US - but the same for us with the APVMA...)

The process to prove they are safe is the easy road...the path to producing they are UNsafe - can take many years..look at how long it's taken to prove the determintal health issues for tobacco...? and now sugar..(Public Health report issued recently on sugar)

Evidence based science takes time...in the meantime - the GMO's are already out there...
How will they recall them if the science proves they are detrimental..??

If you want to change the situation - you need to change the Law/Act...
(and support the researchers trying to determine the health and evironmental outcomes..)

I am guessing a powerful lobby group is going to be needed...one with the weight of much of the population behind it...?

Time: 6th April 2013 1:08pm

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amanda says...
Sorry! The links won't post for some reason..
Here is a bit from the US EPA info which explains Safe versus UNsafe (it's the same for Aust with the APVMA)

"Under the current law, the EPA can only call for safety testing after evidence surfaces demonstrating a chemical is dangerous. As a result, EPA has been able to require testing for just 200 of the more than 80,000 chemicals currently registered in the United States and has been able to ban only five dangerous substances.

(From "Industry Must Prove Safety Under Proposed Safe Chemicals Act" )

Time: 6th April 2013 1:14pm

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Jason says...
I used to say anything that kills a cricket is unsafe... But then I saw a cricket killed by diluted detergent. Then I saw crickets eat an entire packet of rat poison with no I'll effects

Time: 6th April 2013 6:20pm

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VF says...
A bit worrying isn't it Amanda? Everything safe until shown to be otherwise!? :O Unbelievable how many chemicals being used day to day, and we still don't know their effects! (Though with increased levels of certain cancers, autism, reproductive problems,MS etc you can take a decent guess.)

Julie, thanks for the research. I'll stick to those brands.

Jason, there are many like you who cannot eat the higher protein new cultivars - ironic, since they were bred to be more nutritious. My son, when younger, couldn't tolerate gluten grains and it manifested itself by making him extremely hyper-active. He became much calmer when he was on gluten-free diet. He can now eat all grains again after a slow re-introduction, but I still make most meals rice or potato based when I can.

Time: 7th April 2013 1:22am

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amanda says...
Our history of being able to "recall" Biological agents is pretty bad..(think cane toads..rabbits..etc)

You can recall/stop making rat poison Jason...but how are we going to recall the transgenic genes that are already out there..?

Time: 7th April 2013 10:07am

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Julie says...
Tumours Linked To Genetically Modified Corn

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/tumors-linked-to-genetically-modified-corn.html

Time: 7th April 2013 6:59pm

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Jason says...
Vf, Ive a son in production in the meantime before I can get a DNA test on him for celiac genetics I'm not going put him on any grains. Because looking back I was in trouble from a very early age. We just didn't have the knowledge back then. Last thing I want is for him to end up with an auto immune condition when I'm so aware of it that wouldn't be so good. So yeah no grains no milk and we will see how his immune system holds up. Hopefully better than mine did

Time: 8th April 2013 12:45pm

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snottiegobble says...
The facts are we as consumers have the right to know if GMO is in our food, & then to accept or reject it! So the answer may be in forcing the government to demand labelling no matter how small the GMO percentage! Thats why I started this petition.
http://www.change.org/petitions/federal-government-of-australia-demand-all-foods-containing-genetically-modified-organisms-be-labelled

Time: 9th April 2013 12:33am

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amanda says...
It would be great wouldn't SG - I reckon so many folks would reject it that it wouldn't be worthwhile for the farmers to grow it then...problem solved maybe...?! :)

Time: 9th April 2013 9:32am

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snottiegobble says...
The other answer is already happening! Companies against GMOs are stating that on their products, just take a look at the many milk alternative packs, such as soy, rice, almond etc!

Time: 10th April 2013 12:26am

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VF says...
Interesting to see that some food retailers are rejecting known GM foods -while it may not be done as a moral choice but to catch a certain market, it still needs to be applauded. SG, you have my 'vote'.

Jason, congratulations, and truly wishing all the best for your little man.

Time: 10th April 2013 7:33am

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amanda says...
I still haven't seen any work/testing done to see if there could be any cross reactions for those allergic to certain things...?
Could a shellfish or peanut gene cause anaphylaxis in those allegic to them..?

A good friend (with Crohns) ended up collapsed and in hospital simply because her regular lunch bar changed the ham brand in their "Gluten Free" lunch choice - without checking that the new brand was gluten free first...?!

Something so small - but with pretty serious consequences...

EG: I am allergic to corn - how will I know if I am going to have a cross reaction with a GMO transgenic corn gene..? When I am in hospital with anaphylaxis..?

What if that gene ends up in the labelled Non-GMO crop? Or in a similar relative? (DNA can get around via pollen...)
How will labelling work then..?


(Can sucking insects transfer this GM gene..? viruses are spread amoungst plants this way..?)


Time: 10th April 2013 9:42am

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jakfruit etiquette says...
Genes seem to be spreading by cross pollination, ie corn into other corn crops, up to km's away and from canola into related Brassica weeds.
There seems to be evidence of gene transfer between organisms in nature, so you would have to wonder if transgenic genes could jump to other species ?
Allergies are probably due to particular protiens etc in a food/pollen, not to every protein or every gene, so unlikely that one transfered fish gene will cause same allergy in a gmo plant.
I wonder if BT genes transfered into plants to make them insect resistant will cause problems like you are talking about?

Time: 10th April 2013 6:02pm

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Jason says...
Yeah my understanding.. and I've had to read a lot about it. Is that the proteins of not natural human foods (like grains) get mistaken as a parasite and you get an immune response and then you can get so much immune actual that you end up with anti bodies to proteins in your own body and get an auto immune disease.

Then you have a not easily fixable problem :/. In the old days they fermented grains before they ate them and this broke the proteins and you had no problem, now there's no time for that and we are all dying.

They should GMO corn and other grains to have zero protein :D


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snottiegobble says...
Its a hell of a worry when your gut is already predisposed with fighting just about anything that passes through it!
I have to say that I am finding great relief by taking half a teaspoon of probiotic Acacia Senegal powder from Heather Van Vorous along with psyllium husks,powdered turmeric,ginger, prunes &
Quinoa with rice milk for breakfast!

Time: 10th April 2013 11:03pm

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