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Ish starts with ...
I am perplexed... I understand that the term 'best' is relative and depends on desired characteristics... However, everything I read tells me that 'Krasuey' cv is right up there - prolific, tasty and often 'everbearing'. That being so, why is it so hard to source?!? I have been searching for 18minths with no luck... Even Daley's has been 'seeking propagation material' at length. Surely someone is growing / propagating it somewhere? It remains top of my wish list... I would love some advice from the experts!
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Markmelb says...
I got a BKD110 Dec 2014 and a Prolific mid Jan 2016 - did you have on wish list to be notified - Im in melb and the former (BKD110)has been trying to set fruit all summer - both grow totally different too. Ive been waiting 3 years for Krausy.
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David says...
Im no expert and currently don't grow Sapodilla, but yes you are right in thinking it is up there with the best, if not the best cultivar available. You are also right in thinking its the best but this is subjective, due to lots of variables, and lastly yes I to have been looking for the last 10 yrs to find this cultivar,hard to source yes ,impossible to find probably not ,however as you said someone has it and is not eager to distribute it.To me this cultivar rates along side my own search for Mammea Americana,it to is the elusive "White Whale" to corn someone elses phrase. All I can say is good luck searching and if you come across either PLEASE let me know.Thanks .David
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Tommoz says...
Really only Daleys produces named cultivars of sapodilla. I'm guessing something happened to their source tree for budwood.
Try Helga's nursery near Cairns. Their online catalogue doesn't include everything they grow.
Maybe just plant a seedling for now and graft over when you get your hands on a scion, people are indeed growing it.
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Ish says...
Thank-you all... Glad it isn't just me being clueless!

Markmelb, I put a BKD110 and C55 in 2015. They are doing quite well (still young but one little flower on the C55, which is as tall as me!) other than the ants madly trying to farm scale all over them...

Think the cvs I found have all ultimately come from Daleys - found at Turners and Templex respectively. Oxley Nursery has some v happy seedlings at the moment... (for those interested). Tommoz, I might take your advice and grab a seedling for potential future grafting...

As David said, Krasuey is my White Whale! Think of me if you have the good fortune to track one... I will do the same!
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Ish says...
One little flower on my C55...
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Pademelon1 says...
Try and get into contact with the forum member Kath (from Cawonga), as she has a Krasuey and may know where to get them from.
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Bangkok says...
Is krasuey the same variety as lamut in Thailand?
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Theposterformerlyknownas says...
Chester sold a few a couple of years back at Forbidden Fruits Nursery, but I think he sold up so they don't do the rarer cvs any more, just ordinary (mostly seedling)stuff? Anyway, Im ashamed to say I killed one. Out of the four I had, this is the only one that died and the others powered on (Prolific way too much). I know of a few trees up north, but I think they are a pain to graft, which may explain why Daley's charges like a wounded bull for them nowadays.
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Tommoz says...
Lamut is the Thai word for sapodilla. But Krasuey is indeed a variety that originates in Thailand.
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Markmelb says...
I called Helgas and they only have small seedlings - any more ideas - maybe ill try Kath when my seedlings are big enough?
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Bangkok says...
I can easy get lamut seeds but have no idea about the variety. I bet even the vendor has no idea.

I grafted lamut sida (wongyai) onto a giant sapodilla from vietnam and it grows well. That sapodillatree also grew fast.

Personally i like the giant lamut from vietnam more than the Thai lamut. It's bigger, not so soft and a little less sweet.
But i culled this tree because it's nothing special to have (for me), soon the fruit will be on the markets.


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Ish says...
I have never seen either of those fruit in the flesh (bad pun intended...) but they sound very interesting. Where were you located when you were growing the tree?
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bbudd says...
North Thailand location
These are grown locally and almost always available
Seed trades welcomed
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Linton says...
I am getting some of these seeds from the above. Can anyone advise if seeds of Krasuey Sapodilla will grow true to type?

In some ways, seeds are better down here for borderline species in Melbourne's climate as I have found seedling trees to be much more hardy than grafted.

Previously I had a grafted Sapodilla but it promptly died. The seedling tree that I'm currently growing is powering along and not fazed at all by the winters here.
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Peter91 says...
I'm wondering the same Linton, I currently have a Krasuey and Sawo Manila growing from seeds, so it'd be interesting to know?

I imagine this will take a very long time to reach any sort of height or fruiting here though lol.
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Linton says...
According to the information just received, the Krasuey seeds will grow very close to type. There may be some small variations but they have very sweet fruit and produce good crops.
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Ish says...
Well, that sounds hopeful! Where did you source your seeds? If you could point me in the right direction or spare any, I'd appreciate it (and pay!)
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Bangkok says...
If Krasuey is the same as Thai lamut i don't see the fuzz about them.

Really the giant from Vietnam is a better sapodilla and (a lot) bigger.

Too bad you aussies have those extreme rules or me or our other Thai member could send you scions.

For me the lamut comes more close to candy than to fruit, it is extreme sweet and like eating pure brown sugar.

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Linton says...
Attention Ish: Please read a few posts back for the one by bbudd. This is who I am getting the Krasuey seeds from. You can trade with him with Australian species. Cheers!
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Linton says...
Attention: Bangkok
Surprised by your comment as I tried eating many giant Sapodillas from the markets in Vietnam and none of them tasted very good. The ones we can buy in the fruit shops here are smaller but are much nicer.

I tried to order some other varieties of Sapodilla trees from Fitzroy Nursery (along with quite a few other fruit trees) recently but they never acknowledged my order. It's strange because they state on their website that they send plants all over Australia.

So now the only option is to grow Sapodillas from seed. I planted some about 2 months ago but there is still no sign of germination. Can someone please tell me how long Sapodilla seeds take to sprout. Thanks.
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Waterfall says...
Hi Linton,

My Sapodilla seedlings came up within 5 - 6 weeks but this was during summer. The growth rate has been painfully slow ever since.
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ivepeters says...
They can drag their ass germinating for longer even up here.
They do take a long time to grow as well.
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Linton says...
Attention Ish

I now have a few seeds to spare of Krasuey Sapodilla if you still need.

But judging by a few comments, it might be a long wait for them to grow. Cheers!
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Ish says...
Hello Linton - absolutely, yes please! Thank-you for thinking of me. I am (relatively) patient ;) What is the best way to reach you to tee up details?

Can't offer much in return currently (other than boring cash of course). I have a couple of fresh carambola seeds (apparently not true to type but maybe for rootstock?) and (currently on the tree) black sapote seeds (same deal). I do have a bunch of different fig cuttings currently rooting nicely...? And some nice cultivars of interesting fruit recently in the ground - will bear you in mind once they are up and running. Out of interest, anything in particular you are chasing...?
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Linton says...
Hi Ish

Tried to send you a message through your account but it doesn't seem to work. I think that you might need to update your edibles page.

Anyway, just advise your postal address so I can send the seeds:

lintonius at hotmail dot com
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bbudd says...
To Ish
Hi-have a good seed selection for trade
All grown here in Thailand
Looking to try the black sapote you mentioned
You can contact me
torandy321@yahoo.ca
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Ish says...
Linton, thanks so much! The seed arrived (very swiftly) today. Can't wait to see how they turn out...
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Mike Tr says...
My 2 big krasueys are still pumping out the fruit so much better than the sawo manila I also retained or the prolific that volunteered for mulch patrol.
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Peter91 says...
Mike, i've got both a Sawo and Krasuey seedling gifted to me from someone up in QLD.

Would you say these do grow true to seed, and if so will the seedlings be able to stand the temps down in SA out in open eventually if advanced enough.
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Ish says...
Hey Mike Tr - that is what I had read; that they are productive, virtually everbearing and not too gritty... Is why I have been chasing one for years. Linton has just been kind enough to provide me some seed (maybe Krasuey will have super babies too, eventually) but if by any chance you are keen / adept at grafting, I would love to procure one of this cv from you... :)
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Mike Tr says...
Unfortunately seedling often take well over a decade to fruit and sometimes never fruit at all.I suspect seeds don't grow true but will resemble parents. South Australia might be a stretch but they do grow ok in central coastal California.
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Ish says...
Well that is a little discouraging... Still, will press on hoping for a miracle with my seeds. Fortunately they are nice looking trees regardless.

MikeTr - any chance you might be willing to use your grafting skills to create a Krasuey or two? Am willing to pay handsomely and am patient...
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Mike Tr says...
Peter Salleras has taken lots of material for grafting and I don't know how successful his nursery manager Trina has been. I have no seedling to graft them on and might actually have to pull out my sawo manila to accommodate a more glamorous fruit tree.
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Ish says...
Thanks Mike Tr... Which nursery do Peter / Trina belong to? So I can hound them ;) And that is a true shame about the SM. I had one of those but my 2yo clubbed it wth a rake 6 hrs after planting. I was devastated. Is hanging in there, with one sad little side branch but no progress. Depending on size, if yours is salvageable when you remove it, let me know? May be able to work something out to get it here :)
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Trikus says...
Trina is VERY busy atm , I will ask and pass on info
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Mike Tr says...
She was grafting krasueys last week.
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Ish says...
That is exciting! Were you able to pass my info on...
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Mike Tr says...
I only spoke generally that people are after them and keen.Several past attempts had only limited success but plenty of scion was taken this time.
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