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VVinSydney starts with ...
Hi, I have a small but sunny garden and am looking for a dwarf or compact lychee tree, say around 3m, with small seeds. I know they need protection from the wind and need to be pruned to maintain the best size.
What is the best possible variety for me in Sydney? Is there a place an hour out from from where I can pick up a large-ish plant ? How big should a 3 year plant be? How can I make sure it produces fruit and how long does this take? Thanks so much for any advice in advance!
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5th November 2013 1:40pm
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David says...
Spotted today Sah Keng Lychee cultivar, $55.46 at Cannon Hill Bunnings
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VVinSydney says...
Thanks David, but I'm looking for something in Sydney. Is the variety a compact one though, and with small seeds?
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David says...
Hi vv , By all accounts looks like this cultivar is roughly 30 to 35 grms in weight with high percentage of chicken tongue, so yes small seeds.
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VVinSydney says...
Thanks again David, will keep my eyes peeled in Sydney for it !
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Brain says...
Wai Chee and Salathiel (and variances of their spelling) are known as smaller plants but all lychees are pretty slow growing so even if you got a type that has big size potential, it may take many many years before they get too big and you can always prune.

I got a Bosworth 3 (kai mak pink) that is like 50 cm tall and it took like 3 years to get 1m. It flowered but didn't really get a full size fruit until year 5 at 1.25m tall and 1m wide. I think the bigger the plant you can buy - probably the sooner to fruit.

As there are plenty of varieties out there, the question is finding them. Given in Qld at least, we have some good selections, so it might be worth considring buying and shipping from Qld for your favourite cultivar.
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ivepeters says...
What would be the best one for taste for Qld ?
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Anonymous says...
I know BJ is growing a couple of varieties in brisbane, should ask him next time he turns up.
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BJ says...
Salathiel is my favorite locally grown. Never had FZS grown locally to compare. I'm hoping to ch ange that in two years. Salathiel is super slow growing and as the DPI experts once said, will never not be dwarf in your lifetime. Down side is generally it fruits biennially. B3 is usually pretty robust. I've also eaten B3 green after an accident where I knocked a branch off. Not bad.
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Anonymous says...
BJ do you think the B3 is of a quality that it would earn a spot in the 'prime real estate' of a garden patch? My best spot has room for maybe two more trees.
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Mike Tr says...
My opinion is that FZS and tai so are the 2 best eating common lychees.B3 is a bit small and the flavour is less intense with a different sugar/acid balance. Lychees are just beginning in the markets in Cairns and longans have been around for a while.
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BJ says...
Anon, it depends on what you are looking for in a tree. B3s virtue is in production and general toughness, although some here have found it not to be. For me it's like the KP of lychees. Something you can eat and there will always be tonnes around, but there are better quality fruit out there. I'd prefer to grow the types you can't really get cheaply and easily at the market in season, so Salathiel, FZS or No Mai Tze, but all of these are lower producers or are pretty well unknown in that regard and are a bit of a gamble. The other consideration is the bats. A smaller tree is easier to net...
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Anonymous says...
Yeah, I think I will move it to a prime spot. Fruit has to be nicer than what comes out of a can, anyway. Any idea where I might pick up an FZS? My local bunnings doesn't have any, neither do daleys or forbidden fruits.

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BJ says...
Fitzroy in Rocky have them. They will ship but minimum orders of $100 apply. Otherwise I picked one up from TFW a few months back, but theirs are kept in heavy shade and have a tough time adjusting to the sun. An eBay seller often sells them too.
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Anonymous says...
100 bucks...do they have any air layered ones, or advanced trees do you know? I'll give them a ring monday anyways. Thanks again BJ, a wellspring of sources as always :D

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BJ says...
They usually have air layered. They are the primary suppliers for most nurseries around. Don't know what's in stock, but I know they do FSZ along with the more common types as listed on their website. Another to check out is Emperor or Chakapat, which is a dwarf with massive fruit. I haven't heard much about the seedless A2 lychee that Birdwood has, since we had a fruit club meeting up there last year, but I assume it will be a big hit once it is released, but I have a suspicion that it will be an industry only release for a few years......
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ivepeters says...
Was intrigued so contacted Birdwood

Birdwood Nursery - The variety we have available are Sah Keng Lychee at present. We do not have any new varieties soon to be released that I am aware of.
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David says...
Sah Keng does sound interesting though
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BJ says...
Yes, it does. Supposed to be the same as the Sweetheart variety that is very popular in the USA. Does anyone know who is stocking sah keng the moment?

Medium tree, dome shape, fruits 30-35g (most are around 20g), 75% flesh recovery.

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Anonymous says...
BJ,

Tomarata Lychee orchard is worth contacting. Spoke to a guy just now and says he has some which are almost ready, but I think they may actually be ready. Sorry if that is confusing. QLD based too. Anyway call this no. (07)4193 9552

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David says...
bunnings everywhere has Sah Keng BJ
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Brain says...
can anyone shed some lights on Sah Keng's growing characteristics?
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VVinSydney says...
Thank you
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BJ says...
The two local bunnings I've visited have Birdwood lychees but no variety indicated. I would never shell out the $55 asking price for an unnamed lychee!

Here is the sah keng info

“Sah Keng” was developed in Taiwan Province of China in the 1970s and appears to be a seedling of “Haak Yip”. It was introduced into Australia, but is not grown commercially outside Taiwan Province of China. “Sah Keng” produces large and small seeded fruit, with significant variation amongst trees in a single orchard. Fruit are available mid-season. Yields are heavy, but irregular. Trees are medium, dome-shaped with short, fragile branches. Leaflets are 6 to 8 cm long and mid-green. The new flush of growth is green. Fruit are large (30-35 g), heart-shaped, with purple-red skin. The skin segments are swollen and protuberances blunt. The flesh is soft and sweet. Seeds are variable, often small, giving a flesh recovery of 75 percent.
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sternus1 says...
yeah, I wouldn't be too eager to hand over that kind of money for a bunnings tree either. Sometimes I'll pick something up from the 'bargain bin' section and try to bring it back the brink of of death, but generally I only ever leave with potting mix and pearlite.
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David says...
Brink of death ,yeah been there once or twice,paid off handsomely every time.
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VF says...
Lychee cvs Kaimana, Souey Tung and B3 available today at TFW nursery for $40, much more reasonable price.
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BJ says...
Has anyone spotted any Salathiel lychee trees around Brisbane nurseries lately?
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David says...
BJ they seem conspicuous by there absence. Not seen any for ages. Mine in the back yard is flushing madly right now.
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sternus1 says...
I'm going to masters and bunnings tonight (carseldine and caboolture). I was going to ask if you wanted me to grab one for you while at either (if they have any) but I'm not sure you'd want a tree from either place, especially not at the prices they charge. I'm happy to do that if you want me to, though.
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Michael D says...
My bosworth 3 lychee finally having a decent crop to take pictures off.It only took 7 years but the wait is worth it.Standing only 2 metres tall Im counting about 100 fruits which is 10% of what it originally had at the beginning.If you have the patience a lychee tree is so rewarding to grow.
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