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Does anyone know if this plants or seeds of Mesona chinensis are available in Australia ?
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Speedy says...
No, I dont know if in Aust.
Had I have seen it anytime in the last 20yrs I'd have got some,
as I've been on the lookout for it too.
There are about 4-5 other plant species I know of that can be used the same way
ie. 'grass jelly'
I havent seen any of those either.
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Ellen says...
I just got some of "the other kind" = the one with the finished product color green one in Vietnamese it is called Suong Sam, given by a friend in the U.S

But I am now looking for this one, didn't know it is so hard to find it here considering this part of the land is so vast, such a dissapointment .

I guess I just have to continue using the powdery form, exported from China :-(
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

There may be some in our tropic regions that the only people who have seen the plants would regconise the species. I have never seen them before so I can't realy tell if I come acrross one. I was looking for it for a long time but gave up after a while.

Does it mean you have the 'suong sam' plant with you?
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Ellen says...
Hi Nguyet

Yes, a friend gave me some SS seeds, I was able to germinate them . They are still too young only 2cm tall.
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Ellen says...
Nguyet

The Yanang leaves = Tiliacora triandra (Suong Sam),

all you have to do is rub the leaves, squashed it up in a bowl of water to 2 handful of the leaves, and strain it to prevent any of the pulp leaves bits got through, and leave it for 1 hour, it will start to coagulate, and away you go with sugar mixture and banana oil with crushed ices.

But for mesona chinensis (suong sao) this one you must cooked the leaves in boiling water, until the leaves disintergrated (melt) again strain it prevent any of the pulp get through, and prepared a few of the gypsum mixture liquid, and pour out the cooked suong sao liquid into moulds and leave it for an hour, and it will coagulates for you, to enjoy .

btw the climbing vines is the Suong Sam (Yanang leaves)
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

Thanks for the pictures and the recipes. I used to buy the ready made from the market stalls.

I will see if I can find them this time. If you have spare seeds of your SS in the future, can I have some?. Not in the hurry I can wait whatever it takes.
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Ellen says...
Nguyet

My friend send me 24 seeds, by the time I received it only 19 are viable.

I've sown it all, but only 4 germinated. I tell you what, wait until the plant is mature enough, I'll propagate it through cutting and give you the plant. Because my friend told me of the low percentage of seed turned out I didn't believe her until I've sown all that she gave me.

I'd think that around January it will be ready after propagation(that is only my estimation, but let's hope) as it takes 3 months for the seeds to germinate .
Nguyet, either way, which ever come first,I'll reserve 1 for you.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

Thank you so much for that. I am very much appreciated. I am so excited because I have not had it for 27 years. I saw what the leaves look like from your picture but have never seen in real life.

Are you interested in dua hoang kim? I have got some seeds available. Very easy to grow too.
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Ellen says...
yes me too, almost 30 years I have not had fresh one either only those from the can, from China hihihi.


what is dua hoang kim ? is that some type of melon ?

BTW, Nguyet

have you ever try this ?:
Rau sm đất / Talinum
botanical name: Talinum fruticosum

rau sm đất luộc hay nấu canh đều ngon, ăn hơi giống mồng tơi nhưng hng c nhớt như mồng tơi.
rau sm c nhiều vitamin A,C,Iron and Calcium

My friend just gave me seeds a bit too much I think, I just sown some yesterday, still got plenty seeds left over too . If you want I can send you some .
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Here is a picture of what it looks like, Nguyet
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Dua hoang kim is a very small golden yellow melon that looks very much like yellow honey dew, sweet but very crunchy and very small with the biggest is the size of a mug.

Another name is Japanese melon. I have never seen them sold in Melbourne.

I would love to have some of rau sam dat seeds. I will email you my address. Many thanks. Beautiful flowers by the way.

I also have la' ca^m? and la' Gai would you be interested?
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Ellen says...
oh WOW, I would love some Nguyet

do you still have my address ?
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

Yes, I still have your address. Just the melon only or including la' ca^m? (the plant) and la' Gai (cuttings) as well?
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Ellen says...
it would be superb if I may have all 3 Nguyet
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

I will send them soon.
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Speedy says...
Hey Ellen,
re. Tiliacora triandra (Bai Yanang)
If you are able to get more seed , or are successful with cuttings I would really like some too if you could.

It's another plant I've been searching for.

For me, I of know of the Thai ways of using it and would like to grow it to have fresh.
It's used to cook Nor Mai Ruak , shoots of a bamboo (Thyrsostachys siamensis) from Nth Thailand.

Also used when cooking Khi-leck , leaves of Cassia siamea.

I can pay or swap for them if you like.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

I sent the lots this morning by Express Post so you should get them by tomorrow. I also emailed you today too.
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Ellen says...
Hi Nguyet

I just came home, & saw the package in front of my house . Thank You

gosh I am sorry been on the move these past 2 days, haven't got time to the PO yet, but definitely by Monday you should receive the seeds for the other one from me .

About La Gai, do I just soak it in a glass of water until it rooting, then planting ?



Speedy

my plants is only 2cm tall, have to wait a while for cuttings or seeds .
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

I dont know about la' gai because I have never propagated myself (I was given the plant) so I guess you could try 1 cutting in water and the rest use hormone powder.

Don't worry about the seeds you could send to me next week or the week after, not in the hurry, I understand.

The la cam plants were not at their best because of Melbourne cold but will grow well when the weather gets warmer. The cuttings can strike easily in water for sure.
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speedy says...
That's OK Ellen,
No rush
You look after them, get them established.

Good to know they're in the country.
Just when you've got them growing well and propagate some ,

let me know if you want to sell or trade.
I'm sure I could find something in my collection you'd like as a swap.
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Speedy says...
Just as a matter of interest,
some other species used in Indonesia are:-
1.Mesona palustris-(Labiatae) -Cincau Hitam (Black )
2.Premna oblongifolia-(Verbenaceae) -Cincau Perdu (shrub grass jelly )
there is often confusion around this one, some sources suggest that it is Melastoma polyanthum, which is possibly used in the same way.
Even an Indonesian book about cincau (grass jelly) that I have states that it is Melastoma ,but illustrations and photos clearly show Premna oblongifolia!
3.Stephania hernandifolia (Menispermaceae) -Cincau Minyak (oil grass jelly)
4.Cyclea barbata (Menispermaceae) -Cincau Hijau (green grass jelly)

Ellen and Nguyet, if I manage to locate these, I'll let you know and you can get first dibs on cuttings, divisions, seeds etc.
Better to have six eyes looking than two eh?
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Speedy says...
Here's a like to see the book.
I got is about 10yrs ago in Indo, now aparently out of print.

http://www.bukabuku.com/browse/bookdetail/17344/aneka-tanaman-bahan-camcau.html
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Speedy,

Obviously, there are more than one edible species of grass jelly plants.

My brother has tasted the grass jelly in Indonesia and he said it is very much like the one in VN and it was made out of leaves of a vine so now I don't know should I look for the vine or ground cover or small bush.

Anyway, It is very interesting what you wrote. I will definitely keep an eye on these plants and will let you and Ellen know about my discovery (if any).
I wonder if the book has an English version I would buy it.
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Speedy says...
Stephania and Cyclera are both vines and the Premna is obviously a shrub.
The 2 species, M.chinensis and M.palustris (may be synonyms) , mint like herbs.
those and the Yanang vine plus Melastoma polyanthum ( I'll have to investigate this one a bit more, it occurs naturally in Aust), make up seven possible species.
If I had a chance to have any or all, I would, as some of them possibly have different medicinal or other nutritional benefits.
For example the Cyclea barbata roots contain an alkaloid Curine similar in action to tubocurarine a strong muscle relaxant used in "Arrow poisons" of Amazonia , but sourced from another species of vine from the same family.
Curare was one of the first anaesthetics and still has uses in medicine today.
Cyclea peltata , a close relative is used in Ayurvedic medicine for treatment of kydney stones.
So look for all of them and get what you can.
That's my approach to it.

I could get the book photocopied.
It has 62pp.but only need 25 pages for the most important stuff.
If you have a friend who reads Bahasa Indonesia, they could translate recipes I guess.
I saw the book along with heaps of other handy books while in Indo once and bought them ,
thinking I can get translated later if i need the details and that I might not get the chance to see those books again.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Speedy,

Many thanks for your valuable details. Much appreciated.
I will collect all information and develope some photoes from the web of those plants/vines in preparation for this going north trip and see if I can find any thing.
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Reville says...
wow
what a great thread!

if its in any way possible
may i jump on the bandwagon too

like speedy im also willing to pay for plants and or postage

i collect and use unusual tropical vegetables, so maybe we can trade

my most recent find is Okinawan spinach
(Gynura crepioides)

also have plants like the vegetable fern, Talinum triangulare,bai khaprao
etc etc

please try me if you have any unusual asian veggies or herbs to trade at reville1@gmail.com




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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

I found this information that you can apply to your la' gai cuttings:

"If you're trying to root the cuttings in a jar of water, simply put the willow and/or ivy into the jar. These plants produce rooting hormones as part of their own rooting and the water will soon be full of "natural" rooting hormone"

Good luck
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Ellen says...
Hi Nguyet


The cuttings of la' gai you gave me, after I received it, I put it in a cup with rooting hormone liquid, but the next day the tip of branch went dried-black, my husband thought it was the kids play thing with the plant, so he chucked it out in the rubbish. Well no Christmas present for him this year, hehehe the bugger.

As for the la' ca^~m, I am confident it will take off after recovering from the shock, just a matter of time, but thanks goodness what you gave me has roots, otherwise it might have ended up like those la'gai too.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

Yes, I totally agree with you about the Christmas present.

I am testing this method with a couple of la' gai cuttings and see if it works or not.

Anyway, no matter what happens, I will send you some if it works or I will dig some rizhome or both, also with the la' Ca^m? as well if yours are not working well.

Will send to you in January. Not a problem.
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Ellen says...
GOOD NEWS Nguyet oi


My good friend from the state just gave me some more seeds of X.Xam

Would you like me to send you the seeds or the plant cuttings .?

The seeds I can send right away, as for the x.xAM cuttingS, that won't happen until after Jan as the plants are still too small.

I was amazed at how well the X.Xam young plant could handle the summer heat. Last week we had 37 degree C, even the young shoots from my a.muricata wilted but not the baby X.Xam, and it was sitting in my poly house.



Reville

what is bai khaprao ?

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Ellen oi,

Excellent! yes, I would love some of the seeds because it is much easier to send and survival rate is greater than cuttings.

Many thanks for that. Much appreciated. Good to hear that they handle the heat well.

BTW, bai khaprao is hung' que^' an pho?. Thai basil is that right Reville?

Take your time. I will wait.

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Speedy says...
Bai khaprao is 'sacred basil', it's a hairy leafed one.

Bai Horapa is purple stemmed , Anisey scented one. I think hung'que is this one?
Basils are a bit confusing, many years ago I thought I had them all sorted.

Ellen, If you'd like to swap some suong sam seeds,
I have some fesh Cha-om (Acacia pennata var. insuavis) seedlings I've just germinated.
I picked the seeds myself about a month ago.

Jujubes fsim, there is one set aside for you too, email me.
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Ellen says...
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do you have pictures of what they look like? All this botanical names I sometimes just forgotten their everyday name for it and its uses, until I see their form.

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Hi Ellen,
I dont have any photos thatI've taken,
but here are some from the net.
Cha-om is used in Thailand, Myanmar and I think Laos and Cambodia.
Often, but not always, cooked with eggs.

http://www.simply-thai.com/Thai-Market_Thai_Vegetables_Cha-Om.htm

http://www.joysthaifood.com/2007/02/thai-food-soup-gang-som-cha-om-kai/

http://vegetableinthailand.igetweb.com/index.php?mo=3&art=133404

I also have Rau Manh Bat (Coccinia grandis) if your interested.
Known in Thailand as Tamleug.
Fruits edible (ike little cucumbers) and so are the young shoots.
in India they're known as Tindora or Tindola and used in Sabzi or Sabji and vegetable curries.

If you want one I'll start some cuttings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccinia_grandis

http://www.tropicalfruitandveg.co.uk/images/tindora.jpg

http://www.tropicalfruitandveg.co.uk/images/tindoraflr2.jpg
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Speedy,

Very kind of you in saving me some. Much appreciated. I have sent you an email.
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Ellen says...
Nguyet oi

So sorry, went to the PO yesterday but forgotten the seeds. (That what happen when one have too many things on the DO LIST, and not enough TIME on hand). So I did picked up a couple of those priority envelopes mail, as the PO man told me those are for the next day delivery service, So I'll drop it off 1st thing Monday morning, by Tuesday you should receive it.
If you're going to plant it right away . The Talinum seeds can goes straight into the ground where ever you want it to grow .
But as for the X.Xam , you must soak the seeds in luke warm water 24 hrs before planting them in little pot. Just lightly covered it with soil, and make sure the condition on the pot always moist never dry out, it will spring up in 10 weeks . If you don't soak it in water when you plant it out it will take 13 weeks or longer.
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Ellen says...
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is the coccinia grandis cutting easy to strike root ?


Let's share the blessings around.

On Monday I'll send the X.Xam seeds to you when I send Nguyet's out to her.

If I may, then I will choose the coccinia grandis seeds instead as I am not so good with cutting if they don't already have any roots or root eyelets .

I'll try some of the Chai om too . (AS I like to try new things)

BTW give me your address
my email is emmanuel19972000@yahoo.com
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Ellen says...
Nguyet oi

BTW, have you ever try Lemon Basil - hng x ?

it would go great with quite a few dishes such as :
bn b Huế
bn thịt nướng
Bn Riu
Bn Ốc

It look exactly like Rau Quế but the stem is not purple looking colored. The scent is rất thơm hương Quế and Lemon Grass

The Laos, and Cambodians loves them, only a few Viets like them or known about them.
If you would like to try, I'll send them in the lot .
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Ellen oi,

I have never heard of lemon basil, is that the same as kinh gioi?

I would love some if it is not king gioi. BTW, I have tia to xanh,king gioi seeds and ta^n gia^y la' for 'nau canh chua' if you would like I will send you some too.

Thanks.
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Ellen says...
No Nguyet oi it is not the same as Kinh Gioi, but better than Kinh Gioi, as Kinh Gioi is classified as one of the rau with nhiet property.

OK I'll send it too. I don't have the tan giay la for canh chua yet. Is it easy to grow?


Yesteday I've went to the market nho X.Xam qua bought one in a can, I've put it in the fridge.

This morning I've opened it, kakakkakakak it is not X.Xam as it had been labelled, it is green jelly I think they have been prepared from agar source. I wished all this manufacturer would get sue one day for false advertising.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Ellen oi,

Thank for the lemon basil. ta^n gia^y la' is very easy to grow and the leaves are used for coughing treament also. I will send you some with the la' gai when the la gai ready.

I know that there have been some fake SS in cans so I have not bought any in Asian shop. Fresh is the best. You will have some eventually.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Ellen Oi,

Many thanks for the instruction of the ss, I will follow your advice when growing them. I am so excited. Sorry that you had to go backward and forward to get bags to send me. Many thanks for taking time sending those seeds to me. I am very grateful for that.

BTW,tan^ da^y la is hung' chanh plectranthus amboinicus Spreng.
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Ellen says...
OK I'll try the Tn Giầy L .

Also this is what Quế X looks like ,

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Ellen oi,

Thank for the picture. I have only noticed the hung que an pho and never know that there are some good herbs out there that I have missed out on.

I used to have rau rut' nau canh bun but too cold and they did not make it.

Do you know that Cu au exists in Australia but they are declared weeds?
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Ellen says...
REally?, where can one find Cũ u ?

Also Ta T Xanh is this Ta T Xanh that you meant, Nguyệt ?


Ta T cuttings can be grown easily up hểre Nguyệt .

Hnh dạng rau rt ra sao vậy sis Nguyệt ? 1st time I've heard of this rau rt .
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Ellen oi,


Cu au is a water plant called Water Caltrop and in NSW it is a weed. I have never seen sold in shop but a couple of website said so.


http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agriculture/pests-weeds/weeds/profiles/water-caltrop



rau rut, Rat thom when add to canh bun or canh chua.

http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/cps/rde/dpi/hs.xsl/4790_8945_ENA_HTML.htm


Pic 1 tia to xanh
Pic 2 la gai (bare now because I removed most of the stems for propagation)
pic 3 ta^n day la'


Tia to xanh looks exactly the same in the photo but green another name is shiso, it is a Japanese variety. I have plenty of seeds. Leaves are much bigger.
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Ellen says...
rau rt, also known as rau nht very good for lẫu canh chua, lẫu mắm or use as rau ghm cho mắm kho .

Chị Nguyệt,


I wish the QLD gov.au would give those to us down here we will help them irradicate this weed in our cuisine , hihihi

How I wish I could have some of it .hihihi .

I don't ever see them in the markets down here .
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Speedy says...
Rau rut known as 'Pak kachet' in Thailand.
Last time I ate that was in Thailand in 1990.
I haven't seen it in Aust. But if I did find it I'd start eating it for sure!

I grew Que Xa many years ago I got some seed
from Thailand where it is known as 'Bai maenglak'.
Beautiful lemon scent.
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Ellen says...
Speedy

I was introduced to Quế X (Chanh) 20 yrs ago, back in Canada by a family friend, they are Laotian .

We would use them to wrap in rice paper with rice noodle and pickled prawns (mắm chua tm), so scrumptuous .

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Hi Speedy,

Can you please forward /copy me the book? I can translate it for you in return.
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Ellen says...
Hi Speedy

Have you got it yet?, If you havent' got it, let me know, so I can track it down .

Cheers
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Ellen , no not yet but I expect it tomorrow morning , 8:00am.
I'll email you if it's here or not.

Stromung, I'll copy it for you but it might take a bit to get it organised.

photocopy and post or pdf and email,
I'll just have to work out what would be best
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Yes Ellen,
got them this morning.
Thank you.
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Speedy

holy smokes, hahahaha. It's about time, a bit over due on arrival, but as you'd said you're not in the mainstream location, perhaps that is where the held up was.

Cheers
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Speedy says...
Yes, It was probably at the PO in town yesterday but mail isn't delivered to us on Thursdays.
No worries though, the water they're soaking in is now purple.
I'll change the water and sow them tomorrow.
Thanks
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You girls sound as if you really know what you're talking about when it comes to Asian vegetables. I would LOVE to get my hands on seeds or plants of
1) sương so
2) rau khc
3) cu au.
I am longing to try them out in cooking. It's so much better when you can use fresh ingredients.
If anyone has any cuttings or seeds of Suong Sam up for sale may I humbly request to buy?
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PS to Speedy,
If you have any Rau Manh Bat plants I would like to buy one of those as well!
I'm in Melb.
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hello Violet Cactus

I don't sell the s.sam seeds, since I received it for free out of a very generous heart of a sis named HAmVui in the state, therefore I share them just the same . If you want, contact me on yahoo, and send me a self addressed envelope, and I'll send some to you Violet.

what is rau manh bat ?


Cheers
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Violet Cactus,
Yes you can have some,
but it might take a little while,
as I have only a small plant and have to do more cuttings.
Ellen yours is on it's way soon.
I'll let you know before I sent it.

Rau Manh Bat = Coccinia grandis
Ivy gourd
Tamleung (Thai)
Tindola (Hindi)
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Violet Cactus says...
Thank you very much Speedy! :)

I have just bought some seeds of Yomogi on eBay. I would love to try it for flavouring rice. If it goes to seed I'll share the seeds!
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Hi, Ellen could you contact me via email in respect of s.sam seeds. My email is krissana@ozemail.com.au

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1) Does anyone know if, when growing Suong Sam in cool climates such as Melbourne, do you have to grow it in a pot and bring it indoors in the cooler weather over winter?

2) Jujube, I would like to grow a few dua hoang kim melons, some la gai leaves for making Banh it, and the beautiful la cam - will you trade or sell your seeds of these 3 if you still have any? I can be contacted on angavar (at) yahoo.com

3) I have searched everywhere to find the botanical name of la gai, but have not found it. Anyone know?


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By the way, Nguyet and Ellen, I can swap seeds of Đậu Bắp, hanh, cai ngot bong, cai be xanh, thi la, Rau Chua, Khổ Qua, Mướp Kha, Bầu Nậm, Bầu Hồ L, Rau Dền, Vấp C and so đũa, also plants of Rau Đắng and Rau M in exchange for la gai, la cam and dua hoang kim. (I would also like Kinh Giới, Hng Chanh if possible.)

I hope you might like some of the seeds I've mentioned.
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Ellen, is this hng x?
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Ellen says...
yes the flowers looks similar to Thai basil, but the branch is not dark burgundy color.
Does it have lemongrass scented ?



The Lao's people they have a similar looking plant for lemon basil too, however the leaves are a bit longer shaped. And it is too strong scented of something else. And most often the Viet's people mistaken it for lemon basil.

Personnaly I was not too keen in trying it out.

Violet,

the picture of lemon basil look alike plant you've posted up, is that yours ? If not and you would still like to have some seeds for the lemon basil, then I'll send you some, just got fresh batch from my garden.

as for King Gioi, I don't have any stored seeds, and the plant that spreaded in my garden is still too young, usually in winter that is when the seeds would mature.
But Kinh Gioi are very easy to propagate through cuttings, when you buy them at the shop, just choose are really old stalk, and soak it in a glass to water ,for a period of time, and the roots will come, then you just plant it.Remember to change water every couple of days, otherwise it will rot.


Chi Nguyet still probably still on holiday.

The La CAm she gave me, it had dried out and died during those heat waves days up here.
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Violet_Cactus says...
Ellen oi,

I found the picture on the Internet. I do not have hng x myself, but I would like to grow it and would very much appreciate some seeds, thank you! I'll send you an envelope.

I have done some research and (I hope I am right) - I think that in English hng x has many names including Lime Basil, American Basil, Hairy Basil, Hoary Basil, White Basil and Hoary Tulsi.

I think maybe its Latin name is 'Ocimum americanum'.

I found a web site that said "It has a nice lime flavour and is mostly eaten raw as a garnish; its fresh citrus note goes best with fish."

Does that sound right to you?

Thanks for the tip about growing Kinh gioi. I'll give it a try.

What a pity the la cam didn't make it through the heatwave! I would love to use some to make bnh da lợn and xi l cẩm.

Are there any seeds on my list that you would like me to send you?



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Ellen says...
Violet

no sweat it, when your envelope arrives, I'll drop in some lemon basil, and dua hoang kim seeds for you, left over given by Chi Nguyet.

I don't use lemon basil with fish dishes, I only uses it for Bun Bo Hue, Bun Rien, Bun Oc, and with Mam Tom Chua cuon banh trang. (they're to die for, hihihi)

On your list, may I have seeds for so dua, Chi Nguyet gave me some, after soaking it for germination I've found there were hole through them (eaten by bugs).

Cheers.

BTW rau S.Sam takes almost 3 months for germination . So don't get dishearten.

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Violet_Cactus says...
Ellen oi,
I am sending you an email!
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Gina says...
oh, guess i got here a bit late. Am looking for all of those seeds Nguyet & Ellen are talking about. Was searching for info on SSam seeds when google found this thread. Too bad I don't live over there to exchange seeds w/you all :o(
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Gina,

You can easily get the SSam plant from this website in Canada and in USA too.

http://www.floraexotica.ca/Vegie.htm

Good luck.
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Rev says...
so is this mesona?
if so i have one plant

doesnt seem to want to grow via layering though, not like the other grass jelly vine

it came from seed, so i presume ill have to just wait
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here we go
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Rev says...
and so this one?is Suong Sam? aka Ya nang?
or as they are known by my friends Daun daluman

I havent got this one, but ive seen it for sale
and i know a Thai lady in Town who says she has it in her garden
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try this

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z144/Bernard_090/daundaluman2-2.jpg
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Ellen says...
Gina

my gosh you're at the center of SS woman, there is an oriental (Viet Buddhist temple in CA, one of the monk there is selling the plants,,,,not only the version i got, but also the other authentic version as well.


Rev,

the one in the picture from photobucket is the one growing in my backyard.,I would love to get my hands on the other hairy one though.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Ellen kindly shares with me the photobucket one too.I would be interested in the hairy one too.
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Ellen says...
Chi Nguyet

the pic from photobucket which REV uploaded is on his link which posted just above my post. And that's the one we got Chi Nguyet, btw how's yours SS Chi Nguyet?
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

Mine are doing very well in the laundry.
They are going up the trellis now and look healthy. Thanks to your Generosity.

I can't wait for summer so I can take them out and hopefully harvest the leaves.

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Mine are doing ok too Ellen , thanks.
they're in the shadehouse all winter so far and I measured -2degC and no damage at all.
they seem fairly hardy.
more than I'd have thought.
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Mine, I had 5 plants and 3 of them I've put in ground out in the garden, 2 i still left it in pots and in the hot house.
Surprisingly, the one in pots didn't take off as much. Like the one in ground in the garden.

And to my surprise, I've picked all the leaves off 1 plant, and now it had new leaves but the new leaves has shape not like before but like those in the pic above.

We had a couple of frosts down here in Sydney already so far in this winter season and it is still thriving very well.
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Take note of the shape changed in the leaves as the plant is maturing.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Wow,those leaves are big. Mine are only little. Yes I have noticed that those newly developed leaves have changed the shape.
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Yes Chi Nguyet

Yes, after the 1 or 2 sets of leaves been discarded, the 3 set of generation of leaves can grow very big ,3 to 4 times the size of the 1st generation of leaves. The more you take care of it with watering and give it enough nutrients (fertilizing) it can get quite hefty growths there.

And it is so easy to propagate through the vine too. Just stick it in a small pot from the vine, try closer from the main plant, but don't cut the vine off from the main plant,,,and water it daily, after 3 months or so you can then cut it off from the main plant, by then it should have grow independently on it's own, no need for root hormone dusting so forth.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Thanks for the good tips Ellen.

I will try to multiply when the weather gets warmer.
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JK says...
Hi,
I'm looking for Coccinia grandis Seeds,
Do you sell to Perth?

Regards
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sure, its present and thriving in NQ
i just havent found it yet
just a matter of time
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Chi Nguyet oi,,,this is how it turned out

I had to used 2 handful of leaves, after I washed them. I crunched them up. I think next time i'll try to grind them in the blender, then sieve them through a cheese cloth would be quicker .
Then just let it sit in a bowl for 1 hour, it will coagulate into green jelly. When it set you can tell look at the rim, water has separated it. Have fun Chi Nguyet oi
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Ellen says...
After 30+ yrs missing it, finally . It taste so nice.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Ellen Oi!

I am very jealous with you. I wish mine was as big as yours so I could pick some leaves and we can share the fun. Thanks for the recipe too.

I must work harder to made my plant grow stronger so I can have atleast 2 handful of leaves. I can't wait, you make my mouth watering now. Thanks.
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Tindora Fan says...
Hi all,

Does anyone have Coccinia Grandis known as Tindora, plant or seed for sale?

Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee
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hello all,
I just found this forum, and would like to share some tips to you, In the winter I use warm water to water my plant and use clear plastic bag to make the mini green house for my plants and they grow very nicely, you can try, also pick the to leaves off if you plant have more than 3 knot leaves that way your plant will grow more leaves. Use the peatmoss to progate seeds or cutting you will sucess more always make mini green house for new seeding and cutting.
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if you in San Jose, ca. Lion plaza has a man selling ss plant, $15.00, 1 gallon, but weekend only
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Thanks Thuy for your tips. I wish I could find ss in Australia.
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You're so far away from me, i've ran out of seeds, but i still have 2 plants left over that is still in pot from last season i've left over from propagating from seeds.


Otherwise, you could pop over to my place and pick up one of them for yourself.
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Ellen says...
how odd, i went to reply to Thu yet it showned up as Thu says:
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Thu says...
Thank you Ellen. It is very nice of you.
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Carol says...
Yes Wow what a string - I would love some Okinawa spinach seeds, plants.
Can you help
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uma says...
hi,
Can I have some cuttings of Coccinia grandis please? I love the vegetable. I am happy to pay.
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Roni says...
Hi

can i have some Tindora cuttings please . i am happy to pay . Please send me a reply ASAP .will keep waiting for ur reply. I am happy to give you my other Asian plants or seeds if u are interested.

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Roni says...
Hi Speedy

can i have some Tindora cuttings please . i am happy to pay . Please send me a reply ASAP .will keep waiting for ur reply. I am happy to give you my other Asian plants or seeds if u are interested.

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speedy says...
G'day Roni,
My plant died, but I may be able to get more.
I'll let you know if I get more.
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Roni says...
Hi Speedy

Thanks for your reply. Thats sad that your plant died but please let me know if you are able to get any. I have indian veggie plants like karelu , Bendi , Louki , Indian Beans and Indian Cucumber with me if you are interested . i can save u some seeds

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uma says...
hi Roni,
What is indian beans? is that the one they call Avarai? i would luv to have them. Have you got the tindora as well? I am happy to pay Roni.
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Nguyen says...
Hello,
I'm just looking for the English
word of " đậu bắp "...

Thank you
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speedy says...
Hi Nguyen, I think it might be okra.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okra
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Roni says...
Hi Uma

Yes its is Aravai. I have planted all the seeds for the summer. I will save some more seeds from the beans that i will get this year probably by end of April. I will let you know once i save some seeds.

I dont have any Tindora though and i am trying to get that badly . Please let me know if you find the tindora plant anywhere.

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Nguyen says...
Thank you Speedy..
Okra it is.
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Ellen says...
Nguyen

are you in Canada? If so there is a shop in Montreal (I think) they're selling all kind of asian varieties of plants and seeds.
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Nguyen says...
Yes, there is
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Kim says...
Hi all,

I have just ordered some green grass jelly seeds from a guy who grows the vine in QLD. I can't wait to grow and make my own authentic grass jelly like the one I used to eat when I was young.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grass_jelly

Here is the contact detail if you are interested

rare.plants@yahoo.com.au

I was told that this kind of seeds viability is 7 days and I am on the waiting list.


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Ellen says...
Kim that link that you've posted up, it doesn't say specific . And the guy in QLD that you're ordering it from, which one does he have? the black one or the green one?
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JUJUBE FOR SALE says...
Hi Ellen,

The one from the guy in QLD is the same as the one for sale on this link as jello plant

http://www.floraexotica.ca/Vegie.htm

He guarantees to me that is the green one.

I wanted to buy from the above link but the owner said he can't sale the seeds because of the viability is only about a week. I am over the moon to get it from Australia.

BTW the one you gave to me I harvest sometimes to make green jelly too. I think this one is the same that the one in VN

I will get mine next week.

Kim: thank you for the lead.

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Nangmai says...
I think the name you're looking for is Bohmeria nivea var.tenacissim,it's also Known as Chinese grass,ramie grass rhea grass.You can search for a lot of vegetables such as la lot,la cach, ssam,rau can day la,la cam...I search for La Gai but they don't have it...so sad...
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14th June 2011 8:21am
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nangmai says...
Dear Violet Cactus,
I forgot to mention that Bohmeria...is the botanical name of"la gai".Very sorry/
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Ellen says...
Chi Nguyet

the link of SS in floraexotica,,,from the pic, look like the same as those one we have, not the superior kind dear. Don't waste your money Sister.

The superior quality the leaves is hairy not shiny
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

I email the guy to see if the leaves are shiny or hairy he said hairy so I have to wait for the leaves to appear. I planted mid May and I am still waiting for the seeds to sprout. BTW, I have enjoyed my ss from your plant and the good thing is they are ok in Melbourne weather.
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Thao says...
Co Nguyet,

It's take long time for the hairy SS to germinate. I started from seeds in October last year and only one sprouted. Now it's about 7cm height and quite hardy with the cold weather in Sydney as I leave it outside on the balcony.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Thao,

Thanks for the note. I stop worrying about that now. I am glad that those hairy ss is cold hardy.
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Gina says...
OMG...I didn't know you guys are still so active on here...hehehe
I finally got my SSam plant in SanJose for $16/gallon. I guess I'll have to wait for a year to make my first 'homemade ssam'.
I've recently read about the hairy SSam and not able to find any over here yet. I planning to look for them in October when I'm down in the Garden Grove area where most Viet lives.
I didn't want to buy anything from floraexotica because their prices are way too high for me to buy and shipping is also steep.
@thuy, hopefully you'll check back on this forum. Were your cuttings successful? I'm thinking of doing cuttings so I'll have a lot of ssam leaves to make ssam with.
Thanks everyone for your comments ^_^
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Kris says...
In Thailand I have Tiliacora triandra in juice extracted by nano-technology cold process and it's very efficient for diseases.
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Bana says...
Does any one have Tindora plan?
Uma & Rony have you found one?
If yes, would you like share? I will be delighted to pay for the cutting + shipping & handling.

I am appreciative of your help.
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Bana says...
Hi Speedy,

Currently, have you grown the Tindora plant?
If yes, I will be delighted to pay for the cutting + shipping & handling.
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Speedy says...
yes, but they've died off for the winter.
I expect they'll get growing again soon.
I could take cuttings again in summer when they're growing strng and develop a bit of thickness in the stems.
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Thoai says...
Co Nguyet oi, C Ellen ơi,

C cho con xin l sương sm, l gai được khng c? Con ở Brisbane.

C g c nhắn cho con qua email: haithoai@gmail.com được k c? Con cảm ơn c nhiều.
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Ena says...
Hi Speedy,
I saw your discussion with Nguyet and Ellen. I am looking for cincau plants (suong sam) and found this forum. Can I get a copy of the bookd? I can read Bahasa Indonesia.

Thank you in advance.
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Hungryhippo says...
Hi speedy,

I'm looking for cha-om seeds. I love eating cha-om omelettes :) Do you have any?

Thanks
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MIke T1 says...
Chah-oom is hard to strike and rarely sets seeds in Australia.It would struggle in Melbourne.
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JohnMc1 says...
I made this out of 6 Yanang leaves-Tiliacora triandra (Suong Sam),
smooth leaf leaves a couple of days ago. It took 12 hours to start gelling and another 12 hours to fully set. It was just a trial thing, I'm guessing more leaves will maybe set quicker. I didn't have so much luck with the hairy leaf version though, maybe I didn't use as many leaves or crunch them up as much, not sure, but I'll give it another go.
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Thao says...
Hi JohnMc1,

Someone tells me to mix the smooth leaves and hairy ones together, Suong Sam will be nicer.
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JohnMc1 says...
Thanks for the tip Thao, I need all the help I can get. My friend from an Asian shop at The Entrance said to use one drop of dầu hoa bưởi, or AMYL ACETATE. I can't remember if I add it after the jelly has set, or during setting time.
It smells like fingernail polish remover, I hope nothing got lost in the translation.
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Hi JohnMc1,

You add dầu hoa bưởi from the beginning but it's not necessary. The important thing you should do is to let all the leaves wither before you start. Harvest the leaves, wash, dry and leave them until they're withered, then you can make Suong Sam.
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JohnMc1 says...
Thank you Thao, I made my first batch of grass jelly up within seconds of picking the green leaves. I did read about sellers taking large sacks of dried leaves to market.
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Linda D says...
Hi JohnMc1, I came across this post as I am in search of the Yanang plant, Can you please let me know where I can buy the plant or fresh leaf?

Thank you
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Tina says...
I have the Yanang plant small plant in in pot, You want....!
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Nita says...
Hi Tina,

Do you still have it?
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