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| About the Author Charlesstillcantspell1 Perth Innaloo 29th April 2011 1:52am #UserID: 2742 Posts: 411 View All Charlesstillcantspell1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Charlesstillcantspell1 Perth Innaloo 29th April 2011 1:53am #UserID: 2742 Posts: 411 View All Charlesstillcantspell1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author John42 Rockhampton 29th April 2011 7:12am #UserID: 4801 Posts: 68 View All John42's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Peter says... 3) jaboticaba 2) can you sent a pic with open flowers please. Can't be rose, can't be bamboo. Do you have any extra info to the plant? 1) Do the leaves stink if you crush them? When you spray the leaves with water, are they repell the water? Do you see a small bud just above where the leaf attaches to the stem (almost all plants) or if you break off a leaf from the stem is a bud hidden in the point where the leaf was attached? | About the Author Peter36 Perth 29th April 2011 9:25am #UserID: 5034 Posts: 213 View All Peter36's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author paulaf1 SE Queensland 29th April 2011 10:16am #UserID: 2568 Posts: 51 View All paulaf1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Peter says... 2) Yes, Sacred bamboo (=nandina, Nandina domestica (Berberidaceae))or at least something closely related. Sorry, the common name tricked me - I just assumed it refers to bamboo from the grass family and of course it has nothing to do with them. Now we really need more info on the first one. Your photos are excellent. Maybe take a pic of the area when you just broke off the leave (as suggested in my previous post), so we can all have a look. Additionally any other botanical info such as description of flowers, time of events (leaf flushes, flowering,...) would assist. Purchase info: Where did it come from? You being in Perth, I don't think you are able to get a chocolate tree, so more points to custard apple when looking at this two options. Could be something completely different as well. We need to check the location of the leaf buds. If they are hidden in the area where the leaf stem attaches to the branch we straight away narow it down to custard apple or something closely related - no other plant does that. By the way, this is very very amazing, completly off the ordinary morphology of any member in the kingdom of plants!!! | About the Author Peter36 Perth 29th April 2011 10:43am #UserID: 5034 Posts: 213 View All Peter36's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Charles cant spell says... Nope definitely did not know these, she had hundreds of other trees and its a job ID'ing them as none are ever labeled in tree Joy fashion, still it keeps me and her sharp arguing our opinions :) I wouldnt like to waste helpful peoples time, as while it is fun to be challanged there are enough legitimate questions on this forum already, these platns are extra tricky as being tropical growing in the South West WA (Pemby) they are offen dwarfed or malformed etc. Thanks for the input, wont be back in Pemberton for a few week Peter, that plant 2 will be dormant next time but I will try gather a little more info, maybe ring mum. Otherwise she can treat it like a cocoa tree and we will see next spring. Plant 1 determinately looks like some of the Sacred Bambo pics on the web, this zoom crop of the branch looks pretty good confirmation.
| About the Author Charlesstillcantspell1 Perth Innaloo 29th April 2011 11:10am #UserID: 2742 Posts: 411 View All Charlesstillcantspell1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Charlesstillcantspell1 Perth Innaloo 29th April 2011 11:12am #UserID: 2742 Posts: 411 View All Charlesstillcantspell1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Hi Charles - No.1 - it does look like a brazilian custard apple doesn't it KjW? (Rollinia) - I think there is a pic in my edibles page of my one - but I can take some more if u would like? (it's lost it's leaves lately as I forgot to water it b4 a hot spell...oops) PS: Is that jaboticaba really growing in Pemberton Charles!? I am amazed - I would have thought it too cold - but it looks pretty good? | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. Mid West WA 29th April 2011 12:11pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author John42 Rockhampton 29th April 2011 12:19pm #UserID: 4801 Posts: 68 View All John42's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. Mid West WA 29th April 2011 12:24pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author John42 Rockhampton 29th April 2011 12:29pm #UserID: 4801 Posts: 68 View All John42's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Peter says... Ok., if it is Pemberton, cocoa is out of the race as this is a ultra-tropical plant and will not survive one single winter. I am aware of people in this forum trying to grow tropical trees in subtropical/temperate areas and I am one of them, but cocoa - no! Thinking of custard apple (=Atemoya): At the moment I am not convinced with the way the bark looks and I am missing the scar-like appearence on the branches where leaves once were. However, as mentioned, maybe something similar such as Rollina. On the other hand, we have to stay open for other options besides Annonaceae. I look forward for your next trip to the place - hopefully I could describe clear enough which detail to look out for. | About the Author Peter36 Perth 29th April 2011 1:02pm #UserID: 5034 Posts: 213 View All Peter36's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author snottiegobble Bunbury/Busso(smack in the middle) 29th April 2011 2:07pm #UserID: 3468 Posts: 1458 View All snottiegobble's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Jason Portland 29th April 2011 4:54pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Nick T Altona, VIC 29th April 2011 6:39pm #UserID: 2663 Posts: 727 View All Nick T's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Andy says... 1. Guava (could be wrong, but I got this confused with a custard apple the other day. Custard apple/Cherimoya leaves look a little fatter and shorted imo) 3. Jaboticaba 2. Don't know it's name, but I have a few around the place. Never bothered to find out what it was called because it is inedible :( Have attached some pictures of them. One has some berries on it. The other is much taller and no flowers or fruit.
| About the Author DynamicLifter1 Cheltenham, VIC 1st May 2011 10:45am #UserID: 5246 Posts: 1 View All DynamicLifter1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Peter says... An easy feature to distinguish guava from custard apple is the positioning of the leaves: Guava has leaves arranged two opposing each other on the same level, whereas custard apples have leaves alternate (next leaf sits further up the branch in a 90 degree angle, 3rd leaf is again in line with the 1st one | About the Author Peter36 Perth 1st May 2011 2:58pm #UserID: 5034 Posts: 213 View All Peter36's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Charlesstillcantspell1 Perth Innaloo 1st July 2011 11:45pm #UserID: 2742 Posts: 411 View All Charlesstillcantspell1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Peter36 2nd July 2011 12:05am #UserID: 5034 Posts: 213 View All Peter36's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Peter says... If you know that Schefflera arboricola is readily available in the nursery scene, than this would be the most likely option. I could try to find a description of the species and could ask you if the features match with your tree. I don't know, if I will have something on this species, but just in case have one or two little branches ready (also a flower stem) and press it between newspapers, so we can go back to it at any time. I assume this is from the Pemberton property. Besides pics I would press also material from all the other unidentified plants and bring it back to Perth. Then you can also bring it to nurseries to check, if they know it. This will speed up your ID process. | About the Author Peter36 2nd July 2011 11:17am #UserID: 5034 Posts: 213 View All Peter36's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Charles cant spell says... Cheers Peter logical suggestions as always. This is actually on a house block in Padbury, as part of the Permaculture Design Course we are currently running the backyard that was the design and practical implement. So there was some interest as to whether the seed/berry was suitable as part of the chicken diet and consequently the location of the run. | About the Author Charlesstillcantspell1 Perth Innaloo 2nd July 2011 3:58pm #UserID: 2742 Posts: 411 View All Charlesstillcantspell1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jenny says... Hoping for some advice from you gurus out there! I've always assumed I have the normal (small-leaved) Jaboticaba and am on the lookout for a large-leaf one because I can't help myself! This is a seedling from Tropical Fruit World years ago, which may explain the difference but when I compare leaves with the normal small-leaf Jaboticabas in the nurseries the leaves on my tree seem larger. It has not fruited yet. I don't want to go and buy another one sight-unseen (mail order from Daleys in other words) if I already have one. The longest leaves are 6.5 cm long.
| About the Author Jenny Brisbane 10th July 2012 10:38am #UserID: 6352 Posts: 136 View All Jenny's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... Jenny, Jaboticabas are usually misidentified.The small leafed common one is M.jaboticaba var.sabara.The large leafed one is very likely to be M.spirito santensis var.grimal especially if the large fruit have a little fuzz.If you see a very similar large leafed type but with smooth fruit and a wavy leaf edge you can be confident it is M.cauliflora var.paulista. | About the Author Cairns 10th July 2012 11:23am #UserID: 5418 Posts: 1438 View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 10th July 2012 11:31am #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jenny says... That's pretty major, Mike. Maybe then all the misidentification you mention will be cleared up? Ken since finding this wonderful forum & learning so much I've been trying to give my previously neglected jaboticaba all the tlc I can, but it's so frustrating as you can see from my pics it still doesn't look all that happy. I gave it a spray of confidor last week since it appears something possibly thrips or spider mites was attacking the new growth. I have been careful not to burn it with fertilizer and always try & give it rainwater except when the tank is dry. | About the Author Jenny Brisbane 10th July 2012 5:31pm #UserID: 6352 Posts: 136 View All Jenny's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... Jenny I have the same 2 jab types and got pics identified by a whizz http://www.freitasmudas.com.br/pesquisar/?link=buscar_mudas&categoria=3&pagina=1&nome=jabuticaba Here is a link to look at a few. My sabaras fruit all the time and here is some in the pic.
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Mike says... https://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/jaboticaba/ Here is an example of the new genus name in use. The picture shows my grimal and sabara foliage together.It goes beyond getting the name wrong it is getting the genus and species wrong as well as omitting the variety.It makes it hard for simple folk like me to know what I have.
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BJ says... Big leaf has larger fruit, but usually less of them and crops fewer times per season. Small leaf gets covered in fruit, which is usually smaller and gets 2-4 crops per season. Big leaf also has a slightly thicker skin, but you wouldnt eat it anyways. Small leaf is my prefferred fruit - I find it a touch sweeter - but flavour/taste is subjective. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 11th July 2012 8:30am #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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