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hi and does anyone have any hints about a good grape wine variety(white or red)to grow in the hervey bay region. This would only ever be a hobby as I have room for about two rows approx 30metres long each?

Time: 10th August 2010 5:48pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Pink Iona is a good variety for the backyard grower - likes coastal conditions and generally more resistant to mildew and fungal diseases. Any grape with American parentage seems to take the humidity ok.
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Time: 15th August 2010 12:14pm

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kert says...
When the nursery ,itself, describes a fruit as "only fair" you can be sure that it is not worth the effort. Pink Iona ,alas, falls into that class.

Time: 15th August 2010 2:35pm

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allybanana says...
Have a look at Daleys, MUSCADINE GRAPE, Vitis rotundifolia varieties. Thay sound like the go for the humid sub-tropics. http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/MUSCADINE-GRAPE-Vitis-rotundifolia.htm

Time: 15th August 2010 5:53pm

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kert says...
Alas and alack, the muscadine sold by Daley's ,"Achilles" (from memory), is a poor representative of this otherwise excellent fruit. Americans have terrific varieties but we can only view pictures unless ,of course, you want to deal with AQIS.

Time: 16th August 2010 10:39am

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Sarah says...
It doesn't sound like Kert is gonna allow you anything, Peter. Maybe give up on grapes and grow Passionwine...

Time: 16th August 2010 3:45pm

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kert says...
Not entirely ,Sarah. For what it's worth ,Port macquarie grows commercial Isabella and Chambourcin grapes ;maybe Concord might work also as it has a lot of Vitis labrusca genes.

Time: 16th August 2010 5:35pm

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allybanana says...
sabella Black is a wine grape cultivar of Vitis labrusca, according to wikapedia. But some people find the foxy flavour a bit much, personally I like the taste and eat them fresh. It is so tough and grows well in the coastal subtropics it could be worth putting in a couple, graft over and use it as root stock if you don

Time: 16th August 2010 10:00pm

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kert says...
Isabella is a table grape and a wine grape . I grow it and it is Ok to pretty good. By "commercial" I meant someone was growing it for profit. Achilles ,I also grow. This muscadine I use for curiosity value only . Daleys describes it as "small and seedy" They are correct. I've not used it as wine. Grassroots magazine recently had an ad. for 3 muscadine varieties bought in through AQIS. The adverised price was $45,000 to cover the costs of importation.

Time: 17th August 2010 9:00am

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rev says...
Thats a ridiculous price lol

AQIS costs and policies certainly do favour smugglers dont they

So any word on those Muscadines from the daleys staff?

'in production'
likely to be available 2010/11/12?

thanks

Time: 17th August 2010 2:46pm

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Denny says...
Hi everyone. I am the breeder of 'Achilles' and 'Adonis' Muscadine grapes. They have only recently been released to Daley's nursery, so nobody in the world has vines, except for me.

I bred them as table grapes and they have not been evaluated for winemaking.

Muscadines are much harder to propagate than European grapes and are slower to grow at first.

Daley's will be growing "Mother Vines" to take cuttings from but it will take about 3 years before a reasonable number of vines will be able to be sold.



Time: 5th September 2010 3:48pm

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amanda says...
Where did u get your Achilles from kert?

Time: 5th September 2010 7:08pm

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John Mc says...
I bought a "bronze" muscadine from Daley's earlier this year. I trimmed it back to 3 buds which left me with a reasonable amount of cutting material. Hopefully the cuttings will strike.
Is this variety self fertile?
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Time: 5th September 2010 7:08pm

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Denny says...
Hi Amanda,

Kert does not have 'Achilles' muscadine grape. He has another variety, likely a seedling which has not been selected for fruit quality.

Two very disease resistant wine grapes are 'Cascade' and 'Mantey' they produces lots of small- medium dark berries, which birds love but it is said that the wine is not very high in quality. They are US bred hybrid grapes.



Time: 7th September 2010 2:30pm

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peter d says...
Thanks for the comments all. I have decided on Chambourcin as it is a hybrid with characteristics suited to the sub-tropics, maybe even some verdhelo?

Does anyone know where I can get sensibly priced chambourcin vines? I am at present getting my soil tested to see which root stock to use.

cheers

Time: 8th September 2010 6:35am

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kert says...
Denny, I bought my Achilles from Daleys and they have been selling them for some time. And ,yes they, are small and seedy as desctibed by Daleys.

Time: 8th September 2010 3:31pm

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kert says...
Denny ,you've left a question dangling in mid air;what in fact has Daley's muscadine been and is yours not "small and seedy"?

Time: 12th September 2010 5:08pm

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Denny says...
Hi Kert,

Are you sure that Daley's called the muscadine you bought "Achilles " ? They have been selling a muscadine grape that is small and seedy but it was not called Achilles. True 'Achilles' which I have bred has only just been released and is quite large and even produces some smaller seedless fruit.

The name Achilles did not appear on their web site until last year when I named my muscadine selection and they agreed to sell it.

Time: 14th September 2010 7:06pm

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amanda says...
Maybe u should ask Daleys kert? or - post a pic and we can all discuss?

Time: 14th September 2010 8:40pm

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John Mc says...
Daley's has 3 Bronze muscadine grape vines for sale right now if anyone is interested. $14.90ea

Time: 8th October 2010 2:46pm

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Lachlann says...
Sounds like an evolving discussion about muscadine varieties. I bought a 'bronze' muscadine from Daleys 6 months ago, so this is small, self-fertile and seedy, Right?
Denny are you able to provide some more information about the nature of the different varieties - season, berry qualities etc.?
I am particularly interested in berries that have a long, late, ripening season and a strong muskiness about them, and that hang well.

Time: 21st January 2011 11:00pm

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kert says...
Denny's varieties sound a big improvement on Daley's existing muscadine whose name like the Creator's cannot be spoken.
If it is not secret can Denny tell us what the starting point of his varieties were. Imported ? A selection from an existing Australian muscadine?
I have found Daley's "small and seedy" muscadine of little value other than as a curiosity.
Incidentally Isabella from Daley's is a big success and is v. disease resistant.

Time: 23rd January 2011 8:56am

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ernie says...
I have a friend who started a winery a few doors down from the golf course on the Hervey Bay-Burrum Heads road. Her most successful wine was the chambourcin. She still has many rows of vines growing (which can be seen from the road) among which may be some chambourcin. It might be worth a door knock to see if she has any cuttings available.

Time: 23rd January 2011 2:23pm

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ringelstrumpf says...
Which varieties of grapes are available in Australia? We live in cool climate/Upper Mountains and I would like to grow some grapes which are for both eating and wine making.
In my country Dornfelder is a very good variety and I like the Pinot Noir as well, but I neither know if you get this here nor if it is good for our climate.
Gardening books always tell that the grapes for wine are not good to eat, but that is not true as they are usually sold on the market before they make wine.


Time: 24th January 2011 8:00pm

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allybanana says...
All the red and white wine grapes i have eaten tasted geat, but i am not a fussy eater.

If the summers are short late season grapes may struggle to mature.



Time: 24th January 2011 11:24pm

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pietro says...
hi all
here's a pic of the vines in. pretty exciting! Because of unavailability of chambourcin on the specific root stock (richter 110), I ended up getting verdelho, merlot, sagrantino and durif from chalmers nursery near mildura. watching them grow now. Yep ernie, I have met your friend at Hervey Bay. I live just up the hill from her.
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Time: 24th October 2011 9:34pm

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petermyersaus says...
Denny,

Is Muscadine Grape Adonis, as sold by Daleys, self-fertile?

Do you have any news to report about it? eg is it the best variety for SE Qld?

If not, what is?

Peter
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Time: 5th February 2012 10:32pm

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Diana says...
I like Maroo seedless. It is related to Carolina Black Rose but has sweeter fruit, and it is still mould resistant for humid coastal climates. I have a Carolina Black Rose which is great for lots of reasons (very vigorous and healthy in this climate), but not ideal for eating fresh as the grapes are a bit sour. Mould resistant white ones include Isabella and Pink Iona (easy to get) and Lady Patricia (apparently nicer, but harder to get).
Muscadines are are different species of plant- not the same as fruit shop grapes as such. They taste quite different to grapes.

Time: 7th February 2012 10:07am

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Time: 22nd February 2012 6:06pm

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col2560 says...
Daley's have 2 new muscadines now, FRY and NOBLE. I was the importer and did it all legally through AQIS and believe me, it was a long process. They were in quarantine for 5 yrs as they are classed as a "high risk" import and Greg Daley has copies of all the quarantine paperwork. You can buy them knowing they are legal and AQIS certified

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John Mc says...
And I thank you for your persistence Col. I am the proud owner of all the Muscadine varieties that Daley's sell. Odonis is the most prolific fruiting vine at this stage.

Time: 25th January 2013 11:50am

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lenn says...
So what do they taste like? My un-named muscadine is really only a curiosity as the fruit is small and seedy which makes me feel needy.

Time: 25th January 2013 2:41pm

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VF says...
I very much like the description of Noble. Thanks for making these available to the public Col.

Time: 25th January 2013 7:14pm

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BenH says...
Hi, I'm hoping for some help on growing Muscadine grapes as a deciduous vine covering on a pergola for climate control (shade in Summer, sun in Winter). Fruit quality is a bonus.

We're building a new house at Samford (NW Brisbane) and have a pergola on the East, North and West of the house. It is 3m high, 3m wide and a total of 42m in length with posts every 3.5m along the length.

I was thinking planting a number of varieties to increase the chances of success, but which ones?

How much growth should I expect per season? Can I train them up the 3m posts in a season and then some cover over the top the next season?
How dense should the plantings be? One on every post along one side or every post along both sides?

To get optimum health and growth I was planning on digging a decent hole with quality soil for each plant but how big a hole? There will be 150mm of top soil around it but set in a deco/clay subsoil. I was thinking I'd have to drain the hole somehow so it doesn't become a wet bath - perhaps with agi pipe to the edge of the ridge about 10m away.

I would appreciate any suggestions!

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BJ says...
Hi Ben,
They are quick growing and tough. Don't seem to mind deco out your way. Improved Isabella, Lasy Patricia and a few other local selections also grow and fruit well without spraying here. I would also give them slight mounds for each vine. Are you planning on pruning in winter? If you only want minimum pruning go with wider spacings as closer means more work.

Time: 19th October 2013 10:06pm

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Db says...
BJ, any idea how is Noble Muscadine variety?

Time: 20th October 2013 8:35am

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BenH says...
Thanks BJ.

It occurred to me that if the Muscadines take a couple of seasons to cover the pergola, perhaps a quick growing vine could be planted to cover until then. What's the quickest growing vine - a choko?

Time: 21st October 2013 1:00pm

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BJ says...
Yes, or Madagascar bean.

Time: 21st October 2013 1:50pm

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BenH says...
Thanks BJ, I'll try both.
re your comments on spacings......
The pergola is 3 m wide and longitudinally the posts are every 3.5m, forming rectangles 3m x3.5m. Would one plant cover 3m x 3.5m (after climbing 3m up the post)in a couple of seasons? Or better planting on each post so there are 2 plants per rectangle?

Time: 24th October 2013 10:09am

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Exorchardist says...
I have all the Daley's varieties,and most are pumping except Achilles.
I presumed the variety rights status ment it was a good one,but it could just be the local condition,soil etc.
Anyone have similar or other.

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