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About the Author peter d hervey bay 10th August 2010 5:48pm #UserID: 4059 Posts: 2 View All peter d's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author sydney 15th August 2010 2:35pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Have a look at Daleys, MUSCADINE GRAPE, Vitis rotundifolia varieties. Thay sound like the go for the humid sub-tropics. http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/MUSCADINE-GRAPE-Vitis-rotundifolia.htm | About the Author Eden 15th August 2010 5:53pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... sabella Black is a wine grape cultivar of Vitis labrusca, according to wikapedia. But some people find the foxy flavour a bit much, personally I like the taste and eat them fresh. It is so tough and grows well in the coastal subtropics it could be worth putting in a couple, graft over and use it as root stock if you don’t like it. The couple of varieties kert mentioned above grown in Port maquarie sound good Is comercial isabella an improved version of Isabella black? If so i would be interested to know were to find some. On observing the origion of grape species it appears to me that mascadine grapes native to the southern half of the US have the closest climatic fit to Hervey Bay as you are a fair way north. Also Kert a question, is achillies only fair as a table or a wine grape? Daley’s website says "Ripe grapes are sweet and juicy with a distinctive fruity flavour", here they are referring to it as a table grape, likewise Pink Iona, do you know of people who have tried achillies for wine. Achillies has seeds and flavour they might be okay for wine. Especially if that’s what grows the best in the climate you have. Maybe contact Dept of Ag. to se if anyone has muscadine grapes. If you have the time and a bit of spare cash maybe import some wood, pioneer some new varieties. Anyway a few ideas, feel free to criticise kert, methodically would be the preferred kind --- “I think LOL”. | About the Author Eden 16th August 2010 10:00pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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kert says... Isabella is a table grape and a wine grape . I grow it and it is Ok to pretty good. By "commercial" I meant someone was growing it for profit. Achilles ,I also grow. This muscadine I use for curiosity value only . Daleys describes it as "small and seedy" They are correct. I've not used it as wine. Grassroots magazine recently had an ad. for 3 muscadine varieties bought in through AQIS. The adverised price was $45,000 to cover the costs of importation. | About the Author sydney 17th August 2010 9:00am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author Rev nq 17th August 2010 2:46pm #UserID: 1806 Posts: 359 View All Rev 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Denny says... Hi everyone. I am the breeder of 'Achilles' and 'Adonis' Muscadine grapes. They have only recently been released to Daley's nursery, so nobody in the world has vines, except for me. I bred them as table grapes and they have not been evaluated for winemaking. Muscadines are much harder to propagate than European grapes and are slower to grow at first. Daley's will be growing "Mother Vines" to take cuttings from but it will take about 3 years before a reasonable number of vines will be able to be sold. | About the Author Gympie 5th September 2010 3:48pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 5th September 2010 7:08pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author John Mc 5th September 2010 7:08pm #UserID: 3496 Posts: 132 View All John Mc's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Denny says... Hi Amanda, Kert does not have 'Achilles' muscadine grape. He has another variety, likely a seedling which has not been selected for fruit quality. Two very disease resistant wine grapes are 'Cascade' and 'Mantey' they produces lots of small- medium dark berries, which birds love but it is said that the wine is not very high in quality. They are US bred hybrid grapes. | About the Author Gympie 7th September 2010 2:30pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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peter d says... Thanks for the comments all. I have decided on Chambourcin as it is a hybrid with characteristics suited to the sub-tropics, maybe even some verdhelo? Does anyone know where I can get sensibly priced chambourcin vines? I am at present getting my soil tested to see which root stock to use. cheers | About the Author peter d hervey bay 8th September 2010 6:35am #UserID: 4059 Posts: 2 View All peter d's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Denny says... Hi Kert, Are you sure that Daley's called the muscadine you bought "Achilles " ? They have been selling a muscadine grape that is small and seedy but it was not called Achilles. True 'Achilles' which I have bred has only just been released and is quite large and even produces some smaller seedless fruit. The name Achilles did not appear on their web site until last year when I named my muscadine selection and they agreed to sell it. | About the Author Gympie 14th September 2010 7:06pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author amanda19 Geraldton Mid West WA 14th September 2010 8:40pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author JohnMc1 8th October 2010 2:46pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Lachlann says... Sounds like an evolving discussion about muscadine varieties. I bought a 'bronze' muscadine from Daleys 6 months ago, so this is small, self-fertile and seedy, Right? Denny are you able to provide some more information about the nature of the different varieties - season, berry qualities etc.? I am particularly interested in berries that have a long, late, ripening season and a strong muskiness about them, and that hang well. | About the Author Lachlann South coast,NSW 21st January 2011 11:00pm #UserID: 873 Posts: 33 View All Lachlann's Edible Fruit Trees |
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kert says... Denny's varieties sound a big improvement on Daley's existing muscadine whose name like the Creator's cannot be spoken. If it is not secret can Denny tell us what the starting point of his varieties were. Imported ? A selection from an existing Australian muscadine? I have found Daley's "small and seedy" muscadine of little value other than as a curiosity. Incidentally Isabella from Daley's is a big success and is v. disease resistant. | About the Author sydney 23rd January 2011 8:56am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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ernie says... I have a friend who started a winery a few doors down from the golf course on the Hervey Bay-Burrum Heads road. Her most successful wine was the chambourcin. She still has many rows of vines growing (which can be seen from the road) among which may be some chambourcin. It might be worth a door knock to see if she has any cuttings available. | About the Author ernie3 23rd January 2011 2:23pm #UserID: 4819 Posts: 1 View All ernie3's Edible Fruit Trees |
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ringelstrumpf says... Which varieties of grapes are available in Australia? We live in cool climate/Upper Mountains and I would like to grow some grapes which are for both eating and wine making. In my country Dornfelder is a very good variety and I like the Pinot Noir as well, but I neither know if you get this here nor if it is good for our climate. Gardening books always tell that the grapes for wine are not good to eat, but that is not true as they are usually sold on the market before they make wine. | About the Author ringelstrumpf1 Blue Mountains 24th January 2011 8:00pm #UserID: 3535 Posts: 148 View All ringelstrumpf1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author allybanana Eden SE NSW 24th January 2011 11:24pm #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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pietro says... hi all here's a pic of the vines in. pretty exciting! Because of unavailability of chambourcin on the specific root stock (richter 110), I ended up getting verdelho, merlot, sagrantino and durif from chalmers nursery near mildura. watching them grow now. Yep ernie, I have met your friend at Hervey Bay. I live just up the hill from her. cheers
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About the Author petermyersaus Childers Qld 5th February 2012 10:32pm #UserID: 5957 Posts: 3 View All petermyersaus's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Diana says... I like Maroo seedless. It is related to Carolina Black Rose but has sweeter fruit, and it is still mould resistant for humid coastal climates. I have a Carolina Black Rose which is great for lots of reasons (very vigorous and healthy in this climate), but not ideal for eating fresh as the grapes are a bit sour. Mould resistant white ones include Isabella and Pink Iona (easy to get) and Lady Patricia (apparently nicer, but harder to get). Muscadines are are different species of plant- not the same as fruit shop grapes as such. They taste quite different to grapes. | About the Author Brisbane 7th February 2012 10:07am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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col2560 says... Daley's have 2 new muscadines now, FRY and NOBLE. I was the importer and did it all legally through AQIS and believe me, it was a long process. They were in quarantine for 5 yrs as they are classed as a "high risk" import and Greg Daley has copies of all the quarantine paperwork. You can buy them knowing they are legal and AQIS certified | About the Author col2560 thirlmere 25th January 2013 8:10am #UserID: 7651 Posts: 3 View All col2560's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author JohnMc1 25th January 2013 11:50am #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BenH says... Hi, I'm hoping for some help on growing Muscadine grapes as a deciduous vine covering on a pergola for climate control (shade in Summer, sun in Winter). Fruit quality is a bonus. We're building a new house at Samford (NW Brisbane) and have a pergola on the East, North and West of the house. It is 3m high, 3m wide and a total of 42m in length with posts every 3.5m along the length. I was thinking planting a number of varieties to increase the chances of success, but which ones? How much growth should I expect per season? Can I train them up the 3m posts in a season and then some cover over the top the next season? How dense should the plantings be? One on every post along one side or every post along both sides? To get optimum health and growth I was planning on digging a decent hole with quality soil for each plant but how big a hole? There will be 150mm of top soil around it but set in a deco/clay subsoil. I was thinking I'd have to drain the hole somehow so it doesn't become a wet bath - perhaps with agi pipe to the edge of the ridge about 10m away. I would appreciate any suggestions! | About the Author BenH Samford QLD 19th October 2013 3:51pm #UserID: 8281 Posts: 3 View All BenH's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... Hi Ben, They are quick growing and tough. Don't seem to mind deco out your way. Improved Isabella, Lasy Patricia and a few other local selections also grow and fruit well without spraying here. I would also give them slight mounds for each vine. Are you planning on pruning in winter? If you only want minimum pruning go with wider spacings as closer means more work. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 19th October 2013 10:06pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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About the Author BenH Samford 21st October 2013 1:00pm #UserID: 8281 Posts: 3 View All BenH's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BenH says... Thanks BJ, I'll try both. re your comments on spacings...... The pergola is 3 m wide and longitudinally the posts are every 3.5m, forming rectangles 3m x3.5m. Would one plant cover 3m x 3.5m (after climbing 3m up the post)in a couple of seasons? Or better planting on each post so there are 2 plants per rectangle? | About the Author BenH 24th October 2013 10:09am #UserID: 8281 Posts: 3 View All BenH's Edible Fruit Trees |
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