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Correy starts with ... Answer the question. How I got my "[ Enter your Edible Plant ]" to survive the cold.Criteria we are using to JudgeIdea Works: We are after success stories that inspire us to get out into the backyard and give it a go. Pictures: Not necessary but it really makes your answer come alive. Especially if you or a friend are in the shot with your plant who is a cold survivor. Include Where your From: In the Location section please say where you are from. Prizes1st Prize: $100 Voucher 2nd Prize: $50 Voucher 3rd Prize: $25 Voucher Dates to RememberCompetition is open from Friday 13 May 2011 to 13 August 2011
| About the Author Correy Brisbane 13th May 2011 3:53pm #UserID: 3 Posts: 493 View All Correy's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Nick says... Hey Correy, I got my Bowen mango to survive the cold for 2 years by surrounding the trunk with small containers of water and then draping a large light cloth over the top everytime the night temperatures got below 4 degrees. On the occasional 1 or even 0 degree nights I wrapped the lower trunk with some warm paper towel (to the dismay of my mum :P). Also I gave the tree applications of Seasol to increase frost resistance. This year I'm planning to apply some Yates Droughtshield, but nonetheless I'm hoping next spring it will produce some fruit! :D Pic 1 is its "baby" photo, pic 2 is after being planted, 3 and 4 are at the start of this growing season and 5 and 6 are from today (funny how you can see the vegie patch develop in the background, eh?).
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says... Hi Correy, My acerola cherry at my Melbourne home has never let me down, apart from giving me beautiful flowers in summer and the fruits are divine. I bought the small tree from Daley in 2001, winter was much colder then. Whenever I buy big items I always save the plastic covers for my trees at winter time. In the first 3 years of having the tree, Around May, I watered the tree well then covered with a thick layer of mulch then wrap around the trunk/ root zone with a big rectangular sheet of plastic overhanging to halfway of the pot, overlap a bit on the root zone so not much water can get in. Finally, I used elastic string to tie the sheet just below the handles, water once in September. I removed the sheet in late October when the weather is bout 25C or more. After 3 years the tree got used to the cold Melbourne water then I don’t do it anymore. It is a big tree now and most leaves drop in winter but that is ok. Please check my edible page for photos. | About the Author JUJUBE FOR SALE Melbourne 14th May 2011 11:53am #UserID: 2706 Posts: 715 View All JUJUBE FOR SALE's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Hey Correy, Is that pic from the recent cold snap the whole east coast of NSW is having? How do your soursops thrive and fruit through that? It looks like the cold intensity in my part of the world is a walk in the park compared to that and I'm just an hour north of Sydney. Anyway, to control frost on my tropical marginals like Soursops, Star fruit, Abiu's etc, I planted them under the canopy of large eucapypts. My theory is that the canopy is like a huge umbrella and blanket. It stops the cold air from decending over the tropicals and at the same time holds in the surrounding and ground heat. Much like cloud cover in winter, that's where I got the idea from. The shallow ground temps are still in double figures under the eucalypts while the air temp has got down to 4deg min. A dilute foliage spray of Seasol every couple of weeks helps strengthens the tropicals and so far it's working a treat. | About the Author JohnMc1 17th May 2011 8:46pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Ann S says... We have had excellent results by covering the top and south western sides of frost sensitive plants with hessian supported by a frame of steel droppers. We also wrap as much of the trunk as possible with thick newspaper (use a whole paper such as a Sunday Mail, wrap around trunk in sections and tie or tape on). We are establishing a new orchard in a very open country setting and our mango, avocado, fig, mulberry, etc trees have done well for the past three years. This year we will not cover some trees such as the mulberry and fig as they are large enough to withstand frost damage. To be sure with the mango, even though it is quite large, we will only wrap the trunk in newspaper. A generous amount of straw around the plant also helps. | About the Author Ann S Goondiwindi, Qld 18th May 2011 8:32am #UserID: 5318 Posts: 1 View All Ann S's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Sammy says... Necessity is the mother of invention I am told that in Afghanistan where temperatures fall to minus 30 in some areas and summers are very hot people still grow tomatoes and cucumbers as well as other veggies very successfully throughout the year. They make use of ground heat by digging a channel say about 4 meters wide and two meters deep and planting their veggies where at that depth temperatures remain constant at 20 degrees. They spread a plastic sheet on to to stop rain filling it up. This way they avoid putting up greenhouses and heating up during winter which is very expensive. This may be relevant to growers in Australia where their produce is plentiful in summer and prices are very low and in winter when prices are high they cannot afford to grow due to high prices of fuel to heat the greenhouses up. | About the Author Sammy1 Sydney 27th May 2011 9:25am #UserID: 5352 Posts: 2 View All Sammy1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Kym says... Hi, I have used a few methods to keep my tropicals alive in our cold and frost effected area. I have a banana tree planted in a corner between brick building and rainwater tank. It has been in for about 7 years and I am having the second fruiting. I also have a Jaboticaba also located near the brick building which has been in for approx 6 years.(no fruit yet) I have a white sopate which has been in 3 years this one I surrounded with shade cloth on all side until it has now outgrown the shade cloth.(Its about 7-8 feet tall) I have a mango and longan both of which are planted in 44 gallon drums with polycarbonate on the tops. I put a second drum ontop when they get too big for one. I will need to cover with shade cloth when they out grow the drums. Regards Kym | About the Author Kym2 Strathalbyn SA 30th May 2011 9:06am #UserID: 5364 Posts: 1 View All Kym2's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Kath says... Over three nights in mid July 2007 we had severe frosts here at Daley's nursery, the murcury dipped below -7 and our orchard was devastated. The initial damage was shocking, all the leaves died off on every evergreen tree in the orchard and it was clear that our preparation for a -3 was not sufficient to save all our trees. It was about 3 weeks before our bosses ventured into the orchard to face the horrible truth of what had happened to our fruit trees and they took the chain saw with them. We cut everything back hard and waited for spring. The recovery was quite amazing, the avocado's were the first trees to respond positively to their prune and they put out a flush of new growth as soon as the weather warmed up. The black sapotes were back into fruit production within 3 years and we have enjoyed two bumper crops since with another coming on for late winter spring 2011. There were a few losses with the custard apples and cherimoyas hit the hardest as they were planted in a lower part of the orchard, if we had had their trunks wrapped in protective material we may have saved more than the one that survived this harsh winter. Four years on and the recovery is complete, our trees don't show any signs of the trauma they experience on those cold nights, however we are a little more in tune with the weather warnings through the winter and have systems in place to ensure our orchard does not go through this again. When the night time temperature drops to zero the sprinkers come on and as the night begins to freeze this forms ice on the surface of the leaves, the formation of ice creates heat and protects the cells inside the leaves from freezing. It also creates a winter wonderland as the photo on our newsletter shows.
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David says... Well we are trying three starpickets surrounded by shade cloth recycled from the Brisbane City footpath cleanups. I have thought to take advantage of the night dew by forming a dip in the shadecloth across the centre of the starpickets to allow the dew to drop into the plant area as the day heats up. We shall see how it goes, so far so good despite the cold being enough to damage Agave plants the fruit trees are surviving so far. | About the Author David30 Tara Qld 19th June 2011 12:44am #UserID: 5442 Posts: 1 View All David30's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Seeing cold weather records could be broken again this winter, I thought I'd knock up a few of these for my most cold susceptible young trees. Really simple to knock up. It's just a roll of heavy duty chicken wire I had lying around tied into a tube shape, then covered with some old poly tunnel plastic I had left over from my last project. I could possibly leave them on during the coldest days for extra warmth. They could be made up to any size, they're very light and portable. I'll punch in two tomato stakes to hold them in place. EDIT: I've copped some ridicule from the wife over this, she likens my plant protection system to a method of birth control. I've never seen her laugh so much. So please, I've heard all the jokes.
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Sammy says... Hi what you mention about Afghanistan is very true. Another friend told me about it a couple of months ago and I have mentioned it to a few growers. It is definately the answer to high heating costs. My neighbor grows cucumbers and tomatoes and during this weather his cucumbers pickings are paltry not worth the time to pick them but the fetch $5 kilo while in summer he has practically give them away at 50c kg. The cost of putting up a greenhouse about 100m x 50 m is about $60,000 and he has no end of trouble during high wind season and I believe he can dig a a series of small valleys of that size for about the same cost maybe even cheaper. The plastic he will lay on top would not be much and very little wind effect. He can grow these veggies all through the year and get top money for them as well. What an idea to adopt here. | About the Author Sammy1 Sydney 27th June 2011 3:56pm #UserID: 5352 Posts: 2 View All Sammy1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... That's really good food for thought Sammy :) It's not too expensive to smaller scale earthworks done - I can usually get a bloke with a backhoe for $80/hr - and a good experienced operator would be able to knock me up a few valleys in no time (in sand tho'!) Working with natural contours/hills on the land even more efficient (if u have them that is) I can even hire a bloke with a bulldozer for $90/hr! Can get free land-fill here - by endless massive side-tippers carring 20cum a load (crap from housing developments) for making the 'sides'...it's amazing what u can source sometimes. The method could be an advantage in hot, drying climates in summer also...using shadecloth instead do you think? If all fruit trees could be on dwarf rootstock - it could even be feasable for small orchards too perhaps? I know my orchard windbreak cost a small fortune and gets hammered in the winds too...it also needs a roof of shadecloth in summer - but we are talking mega bucks for that kind of set up :( | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. Mide West WA. 28th June 2011 6:55pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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snottiegobble says... Well its not for the want of trying is it? Even so some of "Barney`s" leaves have gone yellow including the newest & also the pup`s. I suspect that I should have closed the cover door for the cool nights sooner than I did. Or maybe I have overfed the plant? Is that possible with bananas?
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Mike says... John the parcel arrived and we'll see how they go.Thanks for that.I sent a batch to you today and there is a fair variety and you should get something out of it even if the seeds are not planted until it warms up. The cold protection covers are more sophisticated that my mosquito net,castnet and bird net arrangements.I get a few raised eyebrows in the neighbourhood from those. | About the Author Cairns 29th June 2011 7:31pm #UserID: 5418 Posts: 1438 View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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snottiegobble says... John Mc The construction is as follows; I used five 2.4 mtr star pickets ( cheaper at salvage yards) & hammered them in dead level height then formed a circle of black polypipe around the top of them securing with wire using the holes of the posts near the top. Incase this crown slips at any time I covered the tops of the posts with the yellow plastic caps available from Bunnings so not to damage the plastic roof.( These caps give you access to the holes for tying) I then drove in two 2 m recycled plastic stakes ( hope you have them in your area) opposite each other & fed a 1 1/4 inch polypipe over each to form a semi circle apex & secured it to the inside of the poly circle. As the see-thru plastic sheeting only seems to come in 2 mtr widths ( GRUNT builders plastic) I was restricted both in height of walls & diam of circle roof. so keep that in mind. The plastic sheeting is so easy to apply these days using the nylon spring clamps avail. in packs of 16 (several sizes) You will need quite a few to make sure roof cover is tight & rain runs off. I used black plastic sheeting inside at the back of the tent( facing Nth) to capture any heat from the sun when flap is open! Happy camping John! | About the Author snottiegobble Bunbury/Busso (smackin the middle) 30th June 2011 1:15pm #UserID: 3468 Posts: 1458 View All snottiegobble's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Clive says... Don't worry about the banana leaves' colour, it is due to the cold.Come spring , cut them off as the new shoot comes through from the top.You probably know that one needs to have a main trunk , a "follower" for the coming year, ( as bananas fruit on the second year's growth) and a sucker for the year after that. Keep the suckers and followers as far apart as you can , as when the follower grows it will lean over at an angle, and when IT fruits , the weight of fruit will pull the tree over, as the trunk will also shrink at this time.
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John Mc says... Here's Mk 2. I'm a little concerned about the soursops. It doesn't frost where they are, as a matter of fact, the ground temps haven't dropped below 10deg at all his year so far. I just want to give them that little extra protection. These covers are so easy to make.
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John Mc says... Oh,I wish I wasn't so far away from Cairns. They'll be here probably tomorrow. I think I'm kidding myself, I'm not expecting them to do any good at all. I bought a seedling and a grafted one from Daley's, I can only live in hope.. I'll have to wait till I get my big polytunnel built before I have any real success. I have plans to build a 6m x 12m by 3.5m high and have made provisions to double that. The area has been excavated, I only have to find some time to get building. | About the Author JohnMc1 3rd July 2011 9:03pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... Soursops might be marginal for you but atemoya and cherimoyas are probably better and would go well in your area.Most trees can be pruned small and your polytunnel may produce some surprising results and house a few trees.If you are after hard to get plants I can send out feelers up here. When the seeds arrive tomorrow you may have questions if you can't read the pen on some bags.I have many more kinds of seeds and tubers etc but some that are not worth planting from seeds or are too tropical might not be worth it. | About the Author Cairns 3rd July 2011 9:31pm #UserID: 5418 Posts: 1438 View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Atemoyas and Cherimoyas do very well here. I have four cv's of Atemoya and four of Cherimoya. Harvest is slightly delayed compared to Qld. I'm trying my luck with a couple of Annona Squamosa's as well as a grafted and seedling Rollinia. It's hard to believe, but the grafted Rollinia is still producing flowers. | About the Author JohnMc1 3rd July 2011 10:59pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Hi Peter, Daley's sell them here from time to time. You can get them to notify you when they become available. http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/rollinia.htm | About the Author JohnMc1 4th July 2011 1:45pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Clive says... snottiegobble, You can leave them at this stage as they are still growing slowly,well mine are.When the tree sets fruit and it ripens, the trunk will shrink,my trunks are 300 to 400 mm at the base.If the follower is too close they will push each other out at an angle, so if you leave them at this stage you can cut theold tree out with a spade , at the base, to enable the follower to fruit on the next crop and you'll have a better choice with the suckers by then.I have learned this from 2 of my trees , which I now have to support with a prop.The suckers may also be cut out with a spade and be replanted.Mine ,here , grow like mad.Two trees I started with are now nine , in 18 months, however the one I tried at Lake Macquarie did nowt for years. | About the Author Clive Tabulam 8th July 2011 7:31am #UserID: 5298 Posts: 4 View All Clive's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Nice one SG - got to get me some of those clips/clamps!! How handy are they. Looks like I will have to give u some design/building-for-the-wind lessons when I get down that way!? :D Can't believe my shade house still fine - it's mostly held together with cable ties!? (my favourite garden tool - I have them ranging from tiny ones to about metre in length..) We should have a comp for trees surviving the heat also Correy!? | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. Mide West WA. 4th August 2011 9:26am #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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LorellB says... Hi this is How we got our trees to survive the cold fristly picture 7 and 8 is our lychee secondly picture 5 and 6 pashionfruit and our orchard picture 1, 2 and 3 including a malabar chestnut picture 4 the tree has new shoots its survived a lot of heavy frosts this year we used shade cloth, steel posts and staples to close it
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LorellB says... Hi Mike, I havn't heard who won but we had 100% success with the shad cloth we bought 6' steel posts and then purchased the 5mt rolls of shad cloth from Bunnings we used 3 posts and dived the rolls of shad cloth in 3 pieces and put this around each plant and closed it with staples, for the bigger trees we used some old frames we had but used the same idea, I have spent the weekend uncovering and fertilizing all of me trees they look fantastic and I am so pleased even the Malabar Chesnut that doesn;t like the cold is covered in new shoots. So consider using this idea next year I can give you more instructions if you need so please email me I don't mind I love my garden, orchard and my son will tell you mum is garden mad but it is fantastic for stress relief and a super feeling when you can sit down to a meal from your garden, I have had fresh vegs for months you just change the varity for the season. So do feel defeted keep gardening we will all help you with ideas. lorellb@aapt.net.au. Regards, Lorell.
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Correy says... @John Mc the photo was taken during the big freeze of 2007 will never forget it. Here was the forum entry for that day: https://www.daleysfruit.com.au/forum/frost-protection1/ | About the Author Correy Brisbane 13th September 2011 3:02pm #UserID: 3 Posts: 493 View All Correy's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Correy says... 1st Nick $100 voucher 2nd Clive $50 voucher Equal 3rd John Mc & Steve $25 voucher Big Sorry Guys I am 1 month late for the judging and as such Everyone who left their email address and submitted a solution in this forum competition. I will send you out a $10 voucher. It took me a while to read through all these and there were about 7 that were really close. If you haven't got the voucher just tell me by this forum or contact me at: webmaster at daleysfruit.com.au | About the Author Correy Brisbane 13th September 2011 3:13pm #UserID: 3 Posts: 493 View All Correy's Edible Fruit Trees |
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