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David starts with ...
New topic , thought id start a new topic to discuss, the decending over night temps around the country, this a.m in Brissie at my place dropped down to 9c. Can anyone beat this.
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Mike says...
It was 21c here last night, but a cold 21c.It was 28/29c max but with low humidity did not feel warm at all.
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David says...
Yeah Mike its amazing how humidity influences the feel of temerature
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John Mc says...
Here's what's been happening in Warnervale for the last week, blizzard conditions but haven't lost anything yet, Rollinia fruit are still hanging on. Mike, six Rollinia seedlings have emerged from the first batch you sent. Might be time to start lighting the fireplace in the polyhouse, brrrrr.
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Mike says...
John Mc even my recent rollinias are up and you had better get that plotter fixed.It can't get that cold in the steamy subtropics.I won't complain any more about the brisk weather.I bet there'll be casualties with small seedlings.When winter is in full swing you might have to put them in the fridge in the mornings to warm them up.
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John Mc says...
The big saviour I think is the stable ground temp at 18. I monitor one of those cheap max/min digi thermometers with a probe dug into the ground 200mm .
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MaryT says...
David Sydney ranged from 2 to 10 overnight. John Mc does the ground temperature stay at 18 where you are (probably a dumb question)? I wonder if it's better or worse temp wise when growing in pots? I like to think that my containers benefit from the heat stored in the concrete slab during the day and released at night. Also it's so crowded here that they keep each other warm (I hope). Migrants from the north are suffering the cold change here; some will succumb.
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David says...
Mary im a little concerned to even though im a 1000 ks north of you, the cold change im sure will take itss toll.
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Mike says...
Mary, if the herbs and cuttings have not rooted completely they could be completely rooted in that weather.
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MaryT says...
Yes I imagine it's too cold for rooting but perhaps this is the time for it. It depends on the specie, I guess.
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John Mc says...
Mary T, you could get a heated propagating tray, I find they work wonders with difficult to strike cuttings, and out of season propagating, mine has a thermostat to control the temperature.
Forgot to mention, the ground temps will keep cooling down to around 10.
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MaryT says...
Thanks, John Mc; that's a good suggestion. I'll look into it. P.S. I did ask someone about sowing in winter and his answer was: that's what happens in nature! Gave me hope :)
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Mike says...
I was lucky to score a freeby today a nice grafted improved montong durian that will be a fine addition to my durian assortment.With all this rain I am tempted to plant it out in spite of the brisk 20c minimum and promise of chilly weather to follow.I can find a spot for 2 great other trees a cherry mangosteen G.forbesii and a garcinia mexico.I am saddled with an araca boi and pitomba that have now lost their spots.
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amanda says...
Well...I reckon I could almost be growing mangosteen here soon..? :D (except not humid enuf) Nearly 30oC days and it has finally "cooled" to under 20oC overnight...(round 15oC)

Only 14.5mm of rain here since the beginning of the year tho :-(

Truly stunning weather (as always in this part of WA in autumn - especially for fishing!?)- but I'd much rather winter arrived...?
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Mike says...
Amanda you need temps to stay above 7c for mangosteen or only drop below that briefly.
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Mike says...
Amanda you need temps to stay above 7c for mangosteen or only drop below that briefly.
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David says...
Mike that means theres hope for me yet , picked up some mangosteens today from James st markets , think they are Thai, looked a bit dry, lowest here ever has been 6c briefly
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Mike says...
David it would be dicey but I suspect an established tree would only have a few difficult times each year and may just pull through.
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snottiegobble says...
Anyone tried Noni? The one I got from a Qld nursery karked it in Autumn even in a greenhouse, SW Vic.so I would say it must be truly tropical like purple mangosteen!
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Mike says...
SG I had one in the yard but it dropped slimey fruit everwhere and refused to be controlled.It is no dessert fruit and and I did not make up any concoctions. My tree volunteered for mulch control.They are grown a fair bit south of here I think.
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John Mc says...
I'm thinking of pulling mine. Resprouted after last winter but I don't think I'm getting anywhere. I only bought a couple because Daley's had them on special.
SG, our Armenium cucumber seeds have arrived, if you send your addy via
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snottiegobble says...
Yeah Mike Noni was in vogue as a health drink a few years back, but hell you would lose your will to live supping on that every morning! Yuk!
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amanda says...
Lol Mike..I will leave the M/steen up to the experts in wet climates!? Bunno's had Star Apples and Coffee trees for sale here last week..I wasn't even slightly tempted TBH... ;-D



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Mike says...
Star apples grow well in Townville and Mareeba with quite low rainfall.
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amanda says...
mike - you have humidity there...? The temps may be great here - but it's such a different climate.

In the 4months of summer here - I use as much water as the Average home in Perth use in a whole year.

Yes I have acerage, yes I have 1/3rd rainfall, heat, wind blah blah...
But 'should' I be growing mangosteen? Coffee, star apples?..that's a No, for me. Do I actually want to..? Not really to be honest.

I am very over growing something just for curiousity or desire...

Just imagine if we had to pay say - 50 cents a litre for water...what would u grow then...? ;-)

I now lean strongly towards growing what is sustainable, sensible and good value - in my environment.

Much of this forum is of no value to me in WA - as "extreme" tropical fruit are just not of any importance to anyone outside of Qld and maybe far north NSW...?
They are interesting "curious" most of the time ;)



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Nick T says...
I think I win guys, 4.8 deg. last night! The snakefruit, cacaos and mangosteen seedlings arent looking to bad at the moment though, which reminds me, what kind of fertiliser should I use on the cacaos (and when)?
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MaryT says...
Growing what your climate would sustain is a good idea Amanda. Nick you can keep being winner for having the coldest nights; I'm happy to be out of that competition. No idea about fertiliser for cacao but I think there may have been a thread on that?
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John Mc says...
Nick, I found some Butia Capitata seedlings for you. During my wonderings around the coast over the past week, I found a nice mature palm with seedlings all around it's base. The nice lady was very kind, I gradded half a doz for you. You still looking for them after your disaster?
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amanda says...
Not my climate MaryT - that can sustain many wonderful things...but my water supply actually - which is rapidly drying up...? Or going saline.

Is it fair that I may have to pay a far higher price than you, for eg, for water..?

Be interesting to compare all of our charges actually...?

Ours were (cheapest cycle):

34kL @ $1.79/kL
100kL @ $1.79/kL
132kL @ $2.19/kL

The catch is that the bill is on a one year cycle. So u don't start at zero at every 4 month billing period...u only start at zero once/year. So your usage gets more expensive/tiered as time wears on.

At the End of your 1year cycle u can be paying a lot more /kL. I am just lucky that zero, for our patch, is the summer period - so my water is cheapest...

I then try to "make up" for my usage thru out the next 2 cycles -by having a complete waste water treatment system (12 grand cost) and 50,000L rainwater storage 6 grand cost) for eg.

So far this autumn cycle I have had <10mm of rain. I am still reticulating when I should be saving water..

Is it a fair system for an arid zone...hell no!? Not my fault the climate is drying up.

The irony: My insurance premium goes up $200/yr to cover me for flood damage by: a creek, a dam, a tidal wave and whatever...??
I live on a sand dune in an arid zone with no dam within 100's kms and no running creeks etc..

Oh well that's my rant. I paid the extra on my Insurance without protest. We are all in this together. :)
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Nick T says...
I'd love some John, thanks so much! Is there anything you're after at the moment? :)
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MaryT says...
My water rate is $2.1030 a kL ; it does not seem to be in cycles like yours, Amanda. Anyway, it's no cheaper than yours, is it?
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amanda says...
That's pretty expensive hey MaryT!? I guess the consolation is the rainfall there...households wouldn't need to be using nearly as much water on their gardens.

My highest has been $2.57/kL - I try hard not to let it get up there tho...

I'd put in more raintanks if it would just rain enuf to fill them!? ;-D Oh the irony...
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Xiem says...
There is definitely a need for some "grand schemes" in Australia such as a national water grid to take floodwaters from the north and east coast to Amanda's parched paddocks. We all know that there is an enormous difference in rainfall around Australia and I guess the cost of pipes/pumps would be prohibitive, but its a nice dream.
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asder says...
Yes, a pipe dream.
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John Mc says...
Hey Nick, Just saw your post, I'll get them away asap. Don't send anything, you sent heaps last time and they are all doing great. I have your addy.
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amanda says...
Such a sceptic Xiem? ;) broaden your horizons.. Wonder how much energy and pumping the multi-BILLION dollar de-salination plants are using in Perth right now..??

It's already happening..? :)
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Nick T says...
Thanks again! Does the kind lady who gave you the seedlings want anything?
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Mike says...
The burdekin to Briz pipe dream would have meant water was more expensive than the red I usually drink.The usual pattern is to brown the formerly green areas.What were the costs compared to benefits of the snowy river scheme and ord scheme and dam?Maybe an air pipe in tassie that could deliver cool air to northern australia in summer.
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ivepeters says...
xiem
A couple of decades ago , a prof in climate studies suggested a grand scheme.
Dig a trench from the closest coastal area to the center of the country. He stated an inland sea would improve the rainfall of inner Aust.

Imagine fishing trips to the Alice.

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David says...
Down to 8c this coming A.M, windy and 20c max, brrrrrrrrrrr.
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Mike says...
ivepeters I can imagine the finger pointing and accusations at the next faculty meeting and the Dean being after blood for bringing the meteorology dept into disrepute.A professor should know better and the hydrologists would have been after him with pitchforks.I bet the wentworth group are still laughing at that proposal.
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ivepeters says...
Would have thought 'gardening leave'
would have been suggested for the person in question.

But anyway this is off track for the forum topic.
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David says...
Its official today at my place max temp was 14.6c, lord only knows what the min temp was. Brrrrrrrrrr, thats cold.So much for the sunshine state.
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Mike says...
David that is crazy weather for the sunshine state.The min here was 21 last night with a max of 25 but with cloud and very light drizzle for a couple of days.I hope you sprouting can take the cold.
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David says...
Hi Mike went to bunnies last week ,knew the cold was coming so bought 6 plastic bell shaped,propagating houses, keeps out the cold and increases humidity , seems to be doing the trick.,only $5.95 each, cheap insurance from the col, been told this cold snap is on for another 2 or 3 days. Cant ever remember it this cold in Brizvagus before. First time for everything
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Mike says...
Sounds like a great idea David.I have lots of seedlings oming up at the moment inluding heaps of sweet tamarinds and 2 laplae durians there has been no action with my prized sumalee salaks.I seem to be acquiring new seeds and plants without really trying lately.Those in the picture were given to me today.My chinese bayberry connection is looking dicey.The four seeds at the top did not come from china.

The yard is almost in gridlock but there are about 5 tree types I really need.They are all in the pipeline.
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David says...
Hows your Mandarin or Cantonese these days Mike. Gridlock eh, like i always say Mike theres always room for one more. This sweet tamarind whats the diff from the usual tamarind.
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Mike says...
Mandarin would be useful for these but not the black sweet soy or broad leafed shiso above.The difference between sweet 'candy' tamarind from Sisaket and the mongrel wild type that is usually grown in australia is vast.Crab apples and pink ladies might be a good comparason.Theyt are precocious,have huge pods loaded with flesh and have a sweet tangy flavour and can be eaten like candy.
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David says...
I think i commented before Mike almost seems like a conspiracy to keep all the good stuff locked away, and feed us all the rubbish varieties to be found with ease
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Mike says...
I don't get it either David because it makes no sense.Why are most good varieties rare and common or trashy types everywhere? Shouldn't the best types get to be more popular and why would people introduce the worst types if there is a choice?
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Dave says...
Well its starting to feel like winter now...5.8 high today and currently siting at 3 (11pm) ...the town of Coldstream is already 1.5 (hence the name!)

good night for gardening in shorts to freshen the skin I reckon
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David says...
Well said Dave
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amanda says...
I read an article in the Rare Fruit Review about rambutans and how the best tasting one has that red-yellow colour - but that consumers preferred the plain red one's (choosing by colour alone) - so I guess growers can be up against the 'untrained' consumer too...?

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Mike says...
Amanda trials ans assessments all over the world keep coming up with R9,134,162,167 rongrien and binjai being the best for flavour and flesh yield with yellow R156 also being good for flesh yield but not quite there on flavour.No pinks or orange types make the grade.All of those high quality types listed are red and some have green or yellow hairs.The confounding commercial reality is that yellow R156 is sought by buyers beyond what its quality would suggest due to its yellow colour.
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amanda says...
I wouldn't know Mike!? :) The article was with Colin Gray? (his fave the R156 he says) and the "pink" R9 has not been popular due to it's colour.

Regardless..its an interesting story...and an interesting Mag too - but it's a pretty specialised magazine too..
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Mike says...
Amanda I know the Grays and they have a great farm at Cape Trib and their son Mark is president of the 'rare fruit council'? R9 is one of the most widely grown and popular types and is red but R156 has more flesh.is crunchier but not as sweet.I can't explain what he said but will ask him and interestingly Brian Watson of DPI who first recommended R9, grafted colins original trees and they were very successful until a cyclone wiped them out.
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amanda says...
That's sad - it must be a huge risk to grow these trees up to the fruiting stage in a cyclonic area...all that work and time :-(

I think you should be in that magazine with your collection Mike!?

I guess I was suggesting that the consumer can be a strange beast at times also...lol...many are unwilling to try anything new - or buy anything that doesn't look perfect!?

One of the very best nectarines (Sunlite) and a couple of other types - have this kind of silvery mark/blemsh on them - it's do with their sugar levels I have been told...

It's interesting cos' they are always the fruit I choose out of the pile as they are always the sweetest - but others would not because they have that "blemish"...?
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Geraldton. 400km north of Perth.
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David says...
Woke up thursday morn to 19.8c, that has to be some sort of record for Brisbane dosnt it.
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David
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14th July 2012 9:32am
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David says...
Mike if you are out there in the ether somewhere, im claiming bragging rights tonight as the min temp for us down here in 1c warmer than your going to get ,dosnt happen very often i know ,seriously what is going on.
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12th August 2012 6:47pm
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Mike says...
David the airport is the balmiest part or town and was 9.8c this morning.It will be colder tomorrow and the tablelands will have the heaviest and most widespread frosts of the season i BOM can be believed.I suggest that you bask in the briz warmth tomorrow knowing your northern chums will be struggling.
My concern is for dozens of rare seeds I have just planted like mexican garcinia,mammea,madrono,platonia and others.I hope they pull through the hostile conditions.
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John Mc says...
Nothing under 10 C here for the past 24 hours.
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Warnervale NSW
12th August 2012 8:31pm
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David says...
Mike the diff for you from us is at least you will warm up during the day, here its still only 20 or 21 end of week looks like 27 maybe, good luck with the seeds.
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Linton says...
Hi Mike
Last week we had numerous hail storms with ice all over the ground and snow in the nearby hills. Even yesterday I heard it was minus 3 over in Ballarat so your seeds wouldn't like that! But it makes it all the more challenging trying to grow the tropical species down here.

Another thing, I tried to get some seeds sent from overseas but they were seized by customs because they had soil in them. I asked the supplier about it and they said that they send them in soil to kep them moist. Cheers.
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Springvale, Vic
14th August 2012 1:38pm
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Mike says...
Linton the seeds woulkd be history real fast in that weather especially asian equatorials.It went below zero on the tablelands last week and below 10 here.Today it was about 17 to 28 and I saw the first bowen mango of the season in the market.It was from the NT.

Ask overseas suppliers to use pearlite or the equivalent or just send dry seeds in labelled clip lock bags.Moist paper towel for seeds that need to be kept moist is good enough also.
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17th August 2012 7:08pm
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Linton says...
Yesterday was even worse. There was snow at Woodend just outside Melbourne -see picture - that was yesterday. And the MAXIMUM at nearby Trentham was 3 degrees!

Thats why it always amazes me, contrary to popular belief, the types of plants that can still be grown here.
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