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sternus1 starts with ...
So, I heard a whole bunch of birds chirping about half an hour ago, which means they can see a snake. This is always a carpet, which doesn't bother me. Except for today.

So I go outside to inspect, and I'm greeted with a massive eastern brown sitting on the lawn with its head up. I've found big skins before, so I guess this must be the one.

There's nothing really on hand but a pick, because my shovels are in the shed. So I get this, and edge up towards it which proves to be a bad idea, because it immediately starts getting more aggressive, starts flicking its tongue faster and sitting up higher. I pick up a stick and throw it at it which gets it moving down the pathway and towards the back paddock. This is fenced off, and I take a punt while it is crawling through the wire buy hurling the pick at at, hoping I can injure/stun it enough to allow me to get a shovel to finish it off.

Also a bad idea; the pick hits it in the mid section and definitely injures it badly, but not enough. It does a few coils, and then starts heading in my general direction but towards the pond. There's a pot with some big stones in it near me, so I pick up one of these, take a shot for the head and miss totally. The brown now crawls into the thicket which is growing over the stone surrounding the pond, and it is gone.

So now I have the world's second most venomous snake lurking somewhere in the stones of my pond, and I'm guessing that since it is wounded, it isn't going to be happy.

Brilliant. Another day in paradise.

Edit: I normally never kill snakes, but Eastern Browns are just to dangerous to have around as I do a lot of work in the garden/paddock, and if I get bitten without my mobile I'm probably brown bread, because by the time I could get to a phone, bad things would be happening to me. I also have dogs.

They are also territorial, and cannot simply be moved on.
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yrt says...
For a smart guy you do write some dopey stuff. As someone who lives with brown snakes and (would you believe it) have been entirely unmolested here is the advice --leave them alone . It's dumb , primitive and illegal to molest them; not that you are likely to listen. Behaviour such as yours is not based on rationality but linked to a mixture of misguided manhood, fake pioneer delusions, a desire to prevail.
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gimme says...
Shame to hear you have harmed a snake. They are best left to do their thing.
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sternus1 says...
...And 99.9% of the time, I do let that happen Gimme. But with browns all bets are off. Last year it cost my neighbors 4k to save their border collie's life after it attacked a brown. That is how much 4 ampules of antivenin costs. It isn't as if I'm conflating the risk. It's easy to be high and mighty when you don't have to live with any risks.
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sternus1 says...
YRT,

I've got to say I'm a bit perplexed by your reaction. Despite your assertions about them, they are an objectively aggressive and dangerous species. And you know it.

I agree with the spirit of your post, and do not like killing any animal because it happens to have been born what it is. But if I don't get rid of the browns and they bite me, or one of my dogs, then what?If you say you live with browns, then you must know the risks. Especially when they've paired. Please do not treat me like some violent sadistic redneck, this is an absurd supposition about my nature. I hardly see how removing the presence of the world's second most venomous land snake amounts to irrationality, I'd suggest the opposite would be true.

Pioneer delusions..you know, when I woke up this morning, I didn't see that accusation coming my way. Or ever, really..

You are correct about the illegality, but frankly I don't care. Bureaucracy isn't the one living with the risk in this situation. They are territorial, and like I say, I've found skins very close to the house. Go figure.

I didn't feel very brave or masculine today, just a whole lot of fear and adrenaline. Did I you overlook the fact that in the title of my post? I am disappointed that I wasn't able to kill it outright, my attempt hasn't solved anything.

The chances of you ever even seeing an eastern brown in Sydney is virtually nil.

I have a good population of whips and carpets as well as a resident keelback, and I encourage their presence, with the exception of particularly large carpets.

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Mike Tr says...
sternus I have tangled, handled and relocated a few eastern browns before and they are one of the scariest. Taipans are a whole different ball game but that is another story. Trying to kill a brown snake is risky and how many bites occur. Often injured snakes escape and pose a bigger risk than if left alone.
They are not territorial but will hang around where rodents and shelter is available. They flee rather than attack unless a person is aggressive to them.They are in Sydney by the way.
It really is best not to tangle with them and get rid of shelter and rodents that keep them around.
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yrt says...
Sternus, Please allow me to deflate your "conflate" It is a mistake. As is your notion that I do not have brown snakes . Two occasions a brown snake became tangled in a net . I cut the net and placed net and snake in fridge and freed chilled snake . Good feeling. Only 20 per cent of brown snake bites result in envenomation ,the rest are a warning just like the habit of rearing up as if to strike. It is a lovely worthwhile animal that deserves better than what you propose.
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sternus1 says...
Firstly, I don't feel that either of us has earned the right to assonance quite yet (line 1).I could argue as to how my usage of the word conflate is essentially correct, but I don't have the energy, and it in any case it was a typo, and I make those all the time. Hooray for you on picking it up, and for refrigerating a snake, which is an exceedingly bizarre thing to have done--yes, I know the implications of this for a cold blooded animal. Pacification and all that.

I'm sure radium looks particularly lovely in the darkness also, and hear that carbon monoxide poisoning puts a rosy hue in one's cheeks. Nice stat, here's mine: 60% of snake bite fatalities are owing to eastern browns. When you can give me a logical reason as to why the browns should get the better treatment you feel they deserve, I'll reconsider my policy of extermination.

Now if you'll excuse me my cauldron of viddles needs stirring and I have to restring my banjo.

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Mike Tr says...
yrt it is great that the 2 snakes you dealt with were not killed. Being confronted by a dangerous snake can make people react to remove the perceived or real threat. It is scary. I don't think it is good to be harsh towards those who take that path.As a species they are widespread and common and they don't have a rosy outlook in urban areas.
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Tommoz says...
I support the culling of potentially lethal animals when they venture out of the bush into inhabited areas. Through natural selection the species will adapt to stay away from built up areas.

But at the same time I am for population control so that we stop our needless expansion that results in habitat destruction. 7 billion people is more than enough.

So it's all about finding the right balance.
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yrt says...
Sternus, the fact that you reported ,in detail, your escapade with a snake in a forum devoted to fruit suggests that you saw your action as laudatory and ,perhaps as enhancing your image. Allow me to address that -- in reality I see you as a suburban hubbydaddy who takes satisfaction in the fiction that he was in a life and death struggle to protect his family. But in my eyes it was mean spirited ,unlawful and just dumb.
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sternus1 says...
Heh--suburban hubbydaddy. That's very good Yrt, very good. If our paths ever cross, you're going to realise that you don't have bright career in profiling, that's for sure. I'm a bit put out by the implication that I have a family--I can't think of anything worse, TBH.

If you really want to know, yes--I did my time as a young burke, for reasons which had to do with honor and glory, if I remember correctly. It is funny how you care less and less about those things as you get older.

My story probably wouldn't have made it into a Banjo Patterson collection, don't you think? Hardly an heroic recount of events. life and death are your words, not mine.

Perhaps it was dumb, perhaps not. I'd do it again, though--for whatever that's worth. Imagine how happy you'll be when I die from envenomation from a brown snake bite. Think of all the confetti you'll be able to throw and all the masturbating you'll be able to do.

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yrt says...
Hmm, I rest my case; the gentleman doth protest too much.
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Mike Tr says...
yrt you have been through a few identities already and it could be time to go back to Kert.
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yrt says...
Thanks Mike - and you might like to take your medication in order to still your grandiosity.
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sternus1 says...
sigh

Yes, Yrt; everybody is crazy apart from the guy who has admitted to refrigerating a snake. In fact, not only have you admitted to having refrigerated a snake, but you have admitted to having enjoyed the act of refrigerating a snake; "Felt good". Did it, champ? I'll bet you're a real hit with the ladies. I'll decline the invitation of best man at your finger puppet wedding in advance. Give my regards to Paul, from memory I think he's the index finger.

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Mike Tr says...
Kert your distinctive brands of charm and wit unfortunately are not left behind with each alter ego.
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Jason says...
Good story, I have resident Red belly black snakes all around my house. I try to scare them away best I can but they aren't supper deadly and are not aggressive so I don't worry that much about them.

I had a tiger snake stuck in a rabbit cage's mesh wire last year. Stuck really good and it was angry so I had no option but the chop that one in half. Which just made it more angry... I didn't know what to do with an angry half a snake that was in pain and dying very slow hanging in the wire so I decided I would tip petrol down it's mouth and that killed it straight away. All around a bad experience for both of us.

My father always taught me tiger snakes have got to go from your house, he's never had a brown snake he had to deal with but I've had them come across my lawn. I don't even want to go near either tiger or brown snakes in general..
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JohnMc1 says...
My old man once told me if you have red belly black's around your property, you'll never see any brown's. Don't know how true that is. I had a resident red belly black hanging around for years until I saw him dead on a track one day with a large branch that had snapped off and had fallen on him. Unlucky. Was sort of my security blanket remembering what my old man said.
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Jason says...
Well I haven't seen a brown snake in a long time,
(6 or so years). But still the odd Tiger snake passes down the road.

The only snake I see regularly as in multiple times a year. Sometimes almost daily are the red bellies. But I was also told if you have blue tongues you wing v have snakes and I have tons of blue tongues in the back yard. I see then everyday, I feed them bananas lol
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sternus1 says...
John you are 100% right about the red bellies, browns will not go where they are. I've been told that redbellies are immune to brown venom but not vice versa, don't know if this is true or not. Used to get redbellies in the past but they seem to have disappeared for whatever reason, and now the browns have moved in. There is a really 'tame' whip snake at my place, he's crawled over my boot while I've been sitting under the pagola playing guitar before. So much for them not liking sound. I think whips are slightly venomous but can't really do much harm, I've never encountered an aggressive one. Despite being harmless I still rate the garden variety tree snakes as one of the most aggressive types, they can get really shirty if you happen to be trimming in their patch.

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Mike Tr says...
Just like old timers talk about hoop snakes and the carpet and browns crossing, the blacks keeping the browns away is a tall tale.A woma or black headed python maybe,blacks eat baby browns and browns eat baby blacks but they are happy to cosy up together under shelter.They prefer different habitats so are not always in the same spots.
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yrt says...
Ok , Sternus, if there was any doubt about you, then your words are enough to dispel them. Who writes such monstrously silly sentences? I imagine in the real world you keep this stuff under wraps in order to be taken seriously and only let it off the leash in a forum such as this.
And Mike I notice you have morphed your identity --perhaps to better act as a editor here ,enforcing what suits you.
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Mike Tr says...
Sternus,the brown tree snakes and common tree snakes can put on quite a snappy show if you disturb them.I get slatey grey snakes around my place and they are really prone to being 'bitey' and threatening as well but are harmless.
Big papuan and black whip snakes are not super friendly or harmless and even look like snakes not to be messed with.
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BJ says...
We've just got a few pythons now. One seen last week was a good 3 metres and had just polished off a big possum before it was relocated. I rememebr when I was abou 8 I killed a Red Belly. He was not much more than a foot and a half, but he was hanging around the playground. There was a construction site nearby and someone left a hammer laying about, so I knocked him on the head, put him in a jar and put him on my shelf for a while. Kids do some awful things. I now really like snakes and spent my work experience in senior high doing snake relocations. I dont like stepping on them at night though when I'm out applying liquid fertigation and cant see what type I've just annoyed.
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trikus says...
Do not think it is actually illegal to kill a snake .
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jakfruit etiquette says...
It is illegal to kill a snake in Vic(or harm any wildlife). That said unlikely you'll be prosecuted ??
A chap investigated old newspaper reports of snake sightings, going back to early settlement. Snakes have got smaller with each decade,(+probably less aggressive.
Large aggressive snakes are easy targets, smaller cryptic snakes of the same species survive better around human settlement, you probably never see many of them.
Last year I was doing roadside surveys, saw one or two browns each day, esp on 20'days when they were sunning. Best policy is to quietly walk around and away.
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Mike Tr says...
It is illegal to kill snakes all over being native wildlife.It is rarely if ever acted on by authorities.The early records and collections show that snakes were larger on average in the past.It seems likely that with roads and other hazards these days they don't get to live their full lifespans as often.It might be different in more remote places.

Kert I have an 'r' that comes and goes depending on my location.I will be careful not to retain that 'r' and wilfully contruct a new identity around it.
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Jason says...
You aren't suppose to kill snakes in Victoria but of course if you are in danger you can do whatever you need to do. Its not like Queensland where you have a lot of harmless snake, here the least venomous snake is the red belly and It'll still put you in hospital. The rest of them you are lucky if you get that far.
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