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mimi starts with ...
My potted persimmon tree looks completely dead, I've bought it this year and placed it against an aluminium fence? Any chance it'll grow again in spring?
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Jan says...
Was just wondering if it is getting too much sun reflection off your fence and drying it out. ( Almost like sunburn possibly) Try putting a sheet of shadecloth or hession between the tree and the fence to cut back reflection. Hopefully this will help.
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23rd June 2007 11:46pm
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Melissa says...
Hi mim...relax...it is winter and your persommon is sleeping....we have many persommons and they enjoy the heat...I would mulch them though and give them a good feed towards the end of July/August
depending on frosts...we use chook poo and blood and bone ...by the way if you want fruit ...better check that it is a self fertile tree as many need a cross to set fruit...good luck.
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24th June 2007 12:17pm
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Kath says...
The trick with persimmons is to give them all the good things in spring when they do most of their growing and then you will almost get away with neglecting them for the rest of the year. As the buds begin to swell give your tree a deep drink, fertilize it and mulch it with a deep organic mulch, it will push off beautifully for you.
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26th June 2007 3:32pm
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Melissa says...
Thanks Kath....the forum is a fanastic Idea....but is there some way we can be recognised as we come in cause typing up our email addy etc everytime limits the answering or asking re time ...however even if you can't- this is still a very good idea as many people are a little nervous about unusual things to grow.....thanks again
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30th June 2007 7:52am
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Wendy says...
I just bought a Fuyu persimmon tree and know nothing about growing fruit trees, but understand it will grow to 12ft by 12 ft. I would like to "dwarf" the tree if I can. Since I have a small yard I would like to keep it in a pot. Any ideas of how to make it a dwarf? Can a persimmon tree survive ok in a pot? Any other tip/tricks I need to know? Right now, its a 10-ft "stick" in its orignal container with some leaves. Thanks...
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Kath says...
Melissa - I believe Correy is working on a simpler log in for us as we chat.
Wendy - Your Fuyu will grow and fruit beautifully for you in a pot. To make it a successful and fruitful tree you will need to repot it every couple of years, this will be best done when it is deciduous. Trim its roots back by about 1/3 and the top accordingly. Pot it up again into a fresh good quality mix, by doing this every two years you will keep your tree small, fresh and happy in a pot. We have made a little video on growing bonsai fruit trees, here is the link
http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/blog/2007/06/dwarf-fruit-trees-bonsai-bags.html
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Dan says...
Kath, do you know how often to a persimmon tree needs to be trimmed? Like every five years or every 3 years etc..? I can't find out this information anywhere.
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31st December 2007 3:11pm
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Kath says...
Trees require little pruning, but can be pruned to an open centre or modified central leader. Young trees are initially pruned back to 80cm. New shoots are then thinned and pruned to form a well-shaped tree with wide angled branches. If branches become long and straggly, then these may need reducing in length for manageability and to prevent them breaking under the weight of the fruit. If trees start to overbear or become very straggly, they can be drastically cut back to give them a fresh start. They can also be pruned to form a hedge or an espallier.
From - Susanna Lyles book - Discovering Fruit and Nuts, p183.
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Val says...
I have a fuji fruit whose leaves yellow on edges and curl and go brown on the edges. I have mulched it and try to keep water up to it - though it has been very hot over last month. I have also added thrive liquid to see if this helps. It commenced shooting over the last couple of weeks, but these leaves are now curled. Is this a mineral deficit? Does a fuji fruit require an acid soil? thanks Val
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Bsilver says...
Val , it could be salinity.
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Dan says...
Thanks Kath. I couldn't find that information anywhere.
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Val says...
Thanks for that suggestion. I have other plants in garden including citrus, that are OK, but tend to lose iron. I was wondering if fuyu need acid soils? Perth soils are chronically alkaline and sandy.
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11th February 2008 3:04pm
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juanita says...
I wonder if it's a good idea to graft an astringent persimmon scions (don't know the variety) onto a non-astringent persimmon tree w/c is fuyu ?
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shannon says...
I am having a problem finding out when to prune a persimmon tree. Can you help?
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juanita says...
I usually prune mine during winter dormancy.
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28th November 2008 12:35am
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Natalie says...
Does anyone know where I can purchase a persimmon tree in Perth, WA? Would prefer the metro area. Ta
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25th April 2009 1:51am
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aneh says...
i have seen them in wandilla nursery.
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harro says...
Natalie Wandilla do have them and I bought one on Saturday at Dawsons Forrestfield $37.95.
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darek says...
if yor looking for persimmon trees, go to the farms where they grow persimmon and bargain with them for a small persimmon tree. dig out and quickly goooo to house . put moisuture
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Val says...
Does anyone know where there is a persimmon farm near Perth? The suggestion to get tree from there sounds good to ensure it is self fertile.
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amanda says...
Hi Val - have same alkaline sandy soil problem - I have 15 citrus trees (in limestone soils - the worst for iron chlorosis) - all doing well 4 me now.
When the trees where young i dug pits close by, filled them with compost n scraps and lots iron sulphate (and Zn sulphate too - the other criminal in alk soils) this got them going (free of interference from surrounding soil) while i improved the top-soil - I use lots of manure, clay, iron and Zn sulph but mulch with (acidic) pine bark for the long term solution.
I also keep an eye on Manganese deficiency but have had no prob's yet. These 3 worst culprits in alkaline sandy loam. My trees 3 yrs old and got 2 full buckets off my west indian lime last week - so proud of myself/the tree!!. U can use agricultural sulphate to acidify soil too. The pine bark has worked so well that i now just chuck the iron and zinc sulphate on top and water the whole lot in.
A few of my trees get burnt margins - this is usually a classic sign of K+ deficiency or salinity. I corrected for K+ to no avail - I realise now it's just simple sun n wind burn damage. Trees affected by this for my conditions are mainly the Fuyu, loquat, jaboticabas and grapes.
As i have little luck with beans and avocados (which are very salt sensitive) I also hose my trees down now and then in the summer (i am close to ocean) I hope this is of some help.
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Su says...
Can anyone shed some light on how to espalier a persimmon tree? I bought a young tree in a pot which looks like a stick with few leaves at the moment. Can't see any branches yet to train them on wires. Do I hv to plant 2 trees so it is fertile?
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Lochy says...
Hi, Can I plant a Hachiya persimmon tree in a pot? And do I only need one tree for it to fruit? Thank you.
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tt says...
I have 3 Fuji persimmon trees (all about the same age) but only 2 of them started to bear fruits 2 year ago. The 3rd tree is the best looking tree but bears no fruits.

1. Most of the fruits started to drop on the ground in early June every year, so only about 10 fruits remain on each tree until ready to eat. What can be done to avoid losing the fruits so prematurely?

2. What kind of fertilization do I need to buy? and when should I apply the fertilization ?

3. Will the 3rd tree eventually bear fruit? The leaves are as big as an adult's hand size and the tree is thriving and growing very tall (over 12 ft)

4. Any particular mulch that I need to buy?

Thank you so much for your help. I live in Memphis, TN
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jo says...
I would like to buy a Fuji Persimmon to go here in Broome,WA. Is our tripical climate suitable and if so where would be the closest place to purchase one and how do I know if the tree is "self fertilizing"? Can anyone help?
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jo says...
Sorry, one more question, What is the difference between an astringent variety and a nonastringent variety and which is the best Fuji to get?
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Andrew says...
Hi Jo,

Basically the difference between A and N/A is the tannin levels in the fruit themselves-with A types the fruit must be very very ripe and soft, with N/A it can be picked quite hard and from what i have heard tastes pretty good!!I think most persimmons are self pollinating

.I am after a NA next as i have an A type "hichya" and would like to compare growth habits and the likes.Im not sure bout where and when in Broome, maybe the best bet is to ring Daleys and ask to talk to kath.

There is dwarf/semi dwarf and full size so maybe depending where you are going to plant, would be best to ask some questions.

Hope that helps Jo!!

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DeannaTiffany says...
My father and his four kids have picked persimmons from the one tree we have found here in TX for years, and two years ago, he found another. Someone is knocking the fruit off the tree prior to it ripening. I am thinking of buying him two persimmon trees off ebay for Christmas, because it wouldn't be Christmas without his persimmon cookies, and we have missed that the last two years. I have found conflicting ideas on the soil type for the American Persimmon tree. Can anyone help me? He said he grew one from a seed about 10 years ago, but it died. I am thinking he overwatered it, or the soil is wrong. I really want this to be a special present to him, as he never really gets a "cool" present from anyone.
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amanda says...
I have a Fuyu that I got at Bunnings a year ago - it was an advanced tree as that what all they had. I didn't hold out much hope for it here - but lo and behold - it is carrying about 8 fruit in it's first season and doing well.

It's a pretty tough plant as it's sandy, windy, hot and salty here!
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elie says...
i bought mine about 10 feet,I cut the top and lower it to about 5 feet it did good and grow big in a year and give me fruits
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elie says...
december, january, after you pick up the fruits and the leaves drop you can prune any tree
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Randall says...
Hi all, I need advice. In October 09 I planted this Non-A Fuyu and it seemed to grow well.... initially. I was away for 3 weeks over Xmas/New Year and don't believe our house sitter game my plants the love they deserved. We had a run of 40 plus days. When I returned I noted that many of the mature leaves had dry brown tips. I started watering deeply every couple of days and daily on the really hot days. I have now installed dripper irrigation and it gets about 6 litres over an hour. I have been watering every day or two depending o the max temp. The dry brown damaging has advanced to almost 50% of the majority of the leaves and the younger leaves are also appearing damaged (see pics). I fear that I may now be overwatering. Or perhaps the damage was done over Xmas and I just need to ride this season out. I planted it into good citrus soil and have mulched around the base. The base soil is classic perth coastal sand (sh_t). Would pH be an issue. HELP
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Mish says...
Hi Randall

My Ichikikijiro did the same thing... although it was sunburnt when I purchased it from Tass1 Trees. I think wind burn is also a factor at the moment. Well I hope it is this and not something more sinister. I would love to show you a picture but all the damaged leaves have since blown off. There is a photo on my edibles page (just use the link on the right). My tree does have some new growth on the top, otherwise it is just a stick.

They like acid to neutral (ph 6.5 - 7.0) well drained soil. Do not mulch too close to the trunk as they are susceptible to collar rot and root rot if they are over watered. I give mine a deep water once a week and a surface sprinkle when the temp is going to be over 33/34.

I used Drought Shield on the new growth to help it retain leaf moisture from the heat and wind and so far they are still looking healthy, but it didn't do much for the damaged leaves.

I will upload a picture later, and hopefully someone will confirm that it is no more than heat and wind damage and not a disease or something else.

The picture is the one from my edibles page which I took a few weeks ago. I will post a recent one as soon as I can.
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Nick says...
Today I bought a 1.5m tall bare-root Fuyu at Laverton Market. When I got home I immediately soaked the roots in a dilute liquid seaweed mix for 2 hours. Then because I don't have anymore room I planted it in a pot that is 47cm wide. Does anyone know what the age is roughly and how long before it flowers. Also are persimmons easy to grow in pots?
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Glory says...
Hi i have a two years old Hachiya Japanese persimmon. This year it has 4 fruits. Could you tell me anyone How do i know the fruit is ripe or not? Thanks
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Jantina says...
Glory, Hachiya is an astringent persimmon which means it needs to be super ripe at which time it is truly delicious. You can pick them when fully coloured and leave them in the fruit bowl until they are very soft and the skin is almost transparent. It's a bit like eating apricot jam.
Nick I have seen persimmons growing and fruiting in large pots but they do better in the ground.
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Maria says...
Hi Everyone,
I'm looking for the right Persimmon variety for my yard and could use some help. I'm in a bad fruit fly area but have enough cold in winter for a short reprieve. I was told by a friend to buy a late ripening astringent variety for that reason. It also needs to be fairly small. Does a Nightingale fit the bill? I don't know when it ripens or if I can harvest when still hard. Any other suggestions? Thanks.
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john says...
Yes, your friend is right . Astringents are less attractive to f.fly but not immune. Nightingale is semi dwarfing but mid season rather than late. i'd go for an astringent and not worry too much about ripening time as only the v. earliest might miss out on f.fly. Nightingale is of the v. best quality, by the way. Don't harvest earlier than full color development.
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kim says...
Hope you can help - i have just planted my nursery brought fuyu persimmon tree into the ground and its not looking too good. There are some new growth, so i'm happy with that, but most of the older leaves are browning around the edges - can anyone help advise what i need to do to help my persimmon? I'm watering once daily (early-mid morning) so i think its getting enough water.

thanks.
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john says...
Good drainage is important so plant on a slope or ,if unavailable,a mound. The pH should be slightly acid to neutral. WA soils I've heard are often alkaline and have salinity problems. Very hot days will scorch leaves - a shade cloth is advisable.
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kim says...
Thanks John. We did have some pretty hot days a week or so back, but my leaves actually went brown prior to the heatwave. Must be the drainage issue - i have been watering my tree with coffee grounds soaked in water overnight, so hopefully the soil is slightly on the acid side but didn't plant on a slope or mound (i only read about that part after my tree had gone into the ground). Next step is to invest in a soil testing kit - hope they're easy to use. :)
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amanda says...
I can sympathise kim - I battled to keep my Fuyu going for 2yrs up here - but it croaked in the end...it was far too hot, salty and windy for it here.

The leaves kept scorching and the fruit sunburning and dropping :-(

I think I may have upset it with too much water and dynamic lifter this spring in an last ditch effort to get it going again - so it finally dropped dead (really fast)

I am wondering if you should get some shade cloth over it for this first summer - and maybe ease up on fert's - just seasol and a little blood and bone now and then...?

They don't like much salinity either....(so blood n bone a good choice for now - less likely to burn)

Are u near the coast? Does it have any shade at all? Is it windy there?

Be careful not to give it collar or root rot with all that watering...
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7th January 2012 8:02pm
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kim says...
So sorry to hear your tree didn't make it - i'd always assumed that persimmon would be one of the easier trees to grow. A lady i used to work with wasn't much of a green thumb but her tree is absolutely stunning and is very prolific, so i'd assumed that i'd have the same success.

i haven't started with the fertiliser yet (except for the coffee grounds)as i remember reading that new trees need to get used to the natural environment first(???) i will definitely be stocking up on seasol, so thanks for reminding me - when i last had a go at gardening a couple of years back propagating cuttings of various fruit trees, i remember i had some success using only seasol.

should i be cutting back from the watering? i really don't want collar/root rot, but i'm scared the summer heat will kill it.

i'm in the suburbs, so not too close to the coast and my little tree is kinda close to a wall so its somewhat sheltered from any strong breezes, but it is in full sun.

on another note, my soursop, lychee and custard apple trees planted at the same time in the same area seems to be doing ok... at least they look alright... fingers crossed.



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amanda says...
I don't know for sure kim.. :( I had/have lychee and custard apples in the same orchard too...they were easier for me than the Fuyu?! Mine was a PITA.

Susanna Lyle states "..young trees do not like direct sun, or hot sun, whereas older trees do.....They are not tolerant of windy locations..."

Otherwise they seem to be ok - but maybe someone else here is more familiar with any fussy habits they have?

That's why I was thinking maybe you could get shade over it until it's older...? I'd try to keep the summer sun off it from noon-ish onwards..

A moisture probe ($10) from Bunnings or such should help u out with the watering...I would have thought once a day would be ample - but let the soil guide u.

A bit of humidity around it on our scorching days would likely help too..

There is a product called Drought Shield which may or may not help also...it's like a sunblock for trees.
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kim says...
I will definitely take your advice on board Amanda - here's to hoping my tree will make it to a fruitful maturity. i was just at Bunnings earlier today to buy my pH meter... i guess i should've picked up the moisture probe as well - i will definitely have to pick one up on my next trip... any excuse to check out the fruit trees section for new stock. :)

Thanks for sharing your expertise with me - i will probably need to rely on you again in the near future. :)
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john says...
ph meters have a reputation for inaccurate readings ; you are better off with powder types ,preferably based on barium salts.
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Dwain says...
Hi,

I would like to get a Persimmon tree for my back yard - I have set my mind on two varieties: Nightingale and Ichikikijiro.

Has anyone grown these varieties? If so, which one has better flavour?

Cheers
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10th July 2012 8:49pm
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BJ says...
It depends how you like to eat them. If you like them soft, then go with Nightingale. If you like crunchy, go with 'Jiro. I prefer the soft ones, so would choose a Nightingale, but Jiro can be eaten in both states (hard or soft). Jiro also seems to set well on its own. Im not sure about nightingale as I've only ever seen it grown in the company of others.
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jakfruitetiquette says...
To follow up from BJ, I..chiki..k..jiro is a squarish flat non astringent type, doesnt taste much different to Fuyu, can be eaten when hard like an apple, or when soft, but Astringent types have a richer flavor when fully ripe.
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Db says...
Somewhere I've read that Jiro is not suitable for cold storage but Fuyu is suitable, I'm not sure how true it is.. Can someone comment on it?
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jakfruitetiquette says...
ichikikijiro is called "jiro" in some parts of Australia, but Jiro is actually a large conical type fruit.
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Judoman says...
Hi, I have a new Fuyu persimmon, it is about 1.5 feet tall, I have had it in a new garden bed for several months, but it isn't doing well. Gets heaps of sunlight, some shade too in the morning. Maybe I just need to water it more? (currently doing once a week or so).
As you can see in the pics, the leaves are going black, and getting eaten too i suppose.
Any advice much appreciated!
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Markmelb says...
when did you plant it? Winter planting is best time - Looks very sad - they only do one flush so maybe it will grow a bit better next spring? Give it some afternoon shade and wind protection and watch for bugs eating it.
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Fruitylicious1 says...
Hi Judo

Looks like a caterpillar or grasshopper are feasting on your persimmon leaves. Investigate, if you cant see any caterpillar it might be grasshoppers because they are very active at this time of the year. The hoppers are harder to control because they are very mobile. Spray your fuyu regularly with organic mixture of chili pepper and garlic concoction to make the leaves unpalatable to the critters. You can easily make them but, if you couldn't be bothered just buy a ready made one from bunnies or from your local nursery.

Looks like your diospyros kaki is also suffering from calcium deficiency due to the distorted leaves and blackened edges. Apply lime, dolomite or gypsum according manufacturers specs. Calcium deficiency is also exacerbated by insufficient or irregular watering. Uniform calcium uptake needs regular hydration to be effective. If unsure, have your leaf tissue analyze for more accurate deficiency analysis.

With regards to watering, you should water your fuyu more frequently because of the longer and recurring heatwave. The shade should be from the sizzling afternoon sun not from the pleasant morning light. Some newly planted trees will stop growing and suffer from sunburn if exposed to too much afternoon summer sun. If you can, shelter it from the afternoon fireball and only exposed it to the mild morning sun for half a day. Maybe with these subtle changes, will kickstart your fuyu to show some interest in life.

Happy Gardening :-)
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Judoman says...
thanks very much MarkMelb and Fruitylicious1, i'll follow your advice
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Judoman says...
Does anyone have an opinion on automatic watering bags for my baby persimmon -
would this slow dripping system be good to have also? (and still give a big jugful of water on Sunday)

http://www.ecobagindustries.com.au
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Jed says...
I can only envy everyone in this forum, needing information to help them grow their persimmons. I cannot find a plant anywhere. Have searched the internet in search of young persimmon trees all around the Brisbane area. Can't find one anywhere without first making an appointment, and don't like to do that in case I don'r buy.
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Syed says...
Hi
Can anyone provide me suggestions to revive my Persimmon tree.
I planted a Persimmon tree last year. This year it got lots of leaves and flower but none of the flower survived at the end.
I am also noticing that the leaves turn yellow and brown at the edge (Figure attached).
I am based in Western Australia and the soil type is coastal plain soils. It is primarily composed of deep sands. They range from neutral to acid with a pH range of 4.0 to 6.0. Phosphorus retention is extremely low. Nutrient loss occurs readily through the soil into groundwater and via storm-water drains.
I am not an experienced gardener. Not know much about it. Any suggestion will help.
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David01 says...
HI Syed,

Your persimmon problem could be due to:

1. Low PH as persimmon requires PH 6.5-7.5

2. Level of salt is too high for Persimmon.
The yellow leaves indicate nutrients are not available for the plant as PH is too low. And leaves burn at the edge as result of too high level of salt. Also, for the first 1-2 year flower/fruit drop is normal for young tree.Cheers


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Syed says...
Hi David,
Thanks for your reply. It will be nice if you could let me know what should I apply to increase PH and reduced salt level.
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David01 says...
Hi Syed,

Dolomite is to increase the soil PH but there is no good solution to reduce salt unless you want to water the tree to death. A practical solution is to dig up the garden and replace it with a good garden soil mixed with compost. But in your case I suggest to try first in a small pot with good potting mixed until there is a sign of improvement. Cheers

https://vric.ucdavis.edu/pdf/soil/ChangingpHinSoil.pdf
https://www.growcom.com.au/_uploads/LWR/Measuring%20and%20Adjusting%20Soil%20pH.pdf
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Syed says...
Thanks David,
Thanks for your advice. Appreciated.
Syed
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harrisfam says...
We have an Asian Persimmon that has some leaves starting to curl. We don't see any bugs. Is it something to worry about? This is the second year and it appears we are going to have fruit this year for the first time.
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