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tr starts with ... Several large trees planted at Whyanbeel of this Artocarpus . Leaf shape has matured into this very attractive complex shape . I think it is A. elasticus and supposedly grows into an enormous tree . Fruitist I would appreciate any thing you could tell me about this sp. Person holding the leaf is Peter Sargent owner of Whyanbeel Arboretum .
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fruitist says... From the pinnately lobed leaves, possibilities are Marang (A. odoratissimus) or Pedalai (A. sericicarpus) or Tekalong (A. elasticus). Young tree of A. elasticus usually has 2 or 3 lobes but the pictures show many lobes. From the leaf, I would say 60% Pedalai and 40% Tekalong. How far is this arboretum from A.Carle's orchard? | About the Author 5th December 2008 6:52pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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fruitist says... Missed visiting the Arboretum. Thought it was AC's place. I remember the road well, having to drive back from the end to Karnak Playhouse to ask for direction. But no one knows AC. So, I drove all the way to the end and via left. Trina at Feluga has a hugh Pedalai. Don't ask her to take you there. She tore through barb wire, fallen trees and hugh boulders to get to the top of the hill where the tree is. The tree is a giant about 60ft tall. | About the Author 6th December 2008 6:42pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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trikus says... Alans place is called 'The Botanical ARK' and he does not encourage visitors , you must arrange a visit . Usually only small groups of tourists go and pay for a informative tour and dinner . Caught up with person who grrew the trees planted at the Arboretum and hope to get some seedlings . Talked to owner of Trinas orchard and will get a taste of Pedali as they are on now . Also asked curator of Flecker re. Pedali and he pointed out tree in the garden and it looks nothing like this leaf , but maybe variation within species ?
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fruitist says... I have been to AC place with only half hour notice for him. Was lucky for me. When you see Traina and her orchard's partner P.S., please say hello for me, tell them I am the Chinese guy from Brisbane and Borneo just after Cyclone Larry with another guy from Perth who now lives in Innisfail. And don't forget to take photos of the Pedalai fruit. We are getting close with ID the leaf and the tree. When you see Trina and PS, show them the picture of Peter Sargent's leaf. They may help you to rule out Pedalai. | About the Author 8th December 2008 8:40pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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trikus says... Picture of the leaf has been shown to Peter , and also some experts from America . Fairchild Gardens suggested A.rigidus . Seed came from the Grays collection at the Daintree General Store. And on talking to the propagator have sourced some great seedlings ... a few Durio dulcis and other rare gems I have never heard of . | About the Author Trikus Tully 9th December 2008 8:44am #UserID: 930 Posts: 749 View All Trikus's Edible Fruit Trees |
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fruitist says... A picture of the Pedalai leaves below. So Peter Solxxxx said the leaf held by Peter Sargent is not Pedalai??? http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/patusho25/pedalai.jpg Please tell me more about the Daintree General Store. You mean they sell seeds and seedlings too??? Is it a store or a nursery? What is the address? | About the Author 11th December 2008 11:54am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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trikus says... Maybe its just that Artocarpus have polymorphic foliage . Peter Sargent tried many Pedalai fruits in Kuching a few years ago . Vendor had some leaves and they were very lobed much like the leaf he is pictured holding . BUT , when the curator of the local Botanic Gardens points out a leaf and tells you it is XXX and one of the larger growers in your town does not recognize a leaf .. it makes me wonder . I must visit a local lady who has a published article on Artocarpus , and have a good read . It is now my mission over the next few years to discover and catalog as many of the spp. being grown in Australia . Made a mistake on the seed source , its actually the old original Cape Tribulation General Store I meant .. They have a large orchard there , and have done fruit tastings for many years. . Should be easy to find , it was set back from the road . But everything has changed so much over the years up there . Picture is a leaf of a seedling Keledang I got from Trina . Any idea of sp. name for this ?
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fruitist says... This is a confusing leaf. The front part of the leaf suggests a lobed leaf. The 2 "leaflets" nearest to the stipule suggest it is not a compound leaf such as a possible pinnate leaf. Question: Is the seedling a Artocarpus genus? The tip of the seedling suggests it is. If it is then a possible Kwai Muk without going to other rare ones? | About the Author 13th December 2008 4:21pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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tr says... It is a seedling Keledang from Trina . I have both KwaiMuk and Lakocha and it is nothing like either . I have seen and picked fruits from mature trees of both of these sp. also . I was shown a mature Keledang , but did not get out of the car as I was wedged in from the violent trip up there | About the Author peter12 13th December 2008 7:40pm #UserID: 1019 Posts: 38 View All peter12's Edible Fruit Trees |
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trikus says... Amanda , yes I have eaten a few of these , very nice .. sub-acid . Imagine a dried apricot soaked in lemon juice mmmmmm yummy. I have 2 trees planted out and they are doing very well . And there are 2 very large ones up at the arboretum I used to work at .This should have a fair bit of dry tolerance , do you have any ?
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amanda says... Hi trikus - nice plants - are they your Kwai Muks? Mine looks a little different - I hope I have the right one..!!? It was planted in Aug09 and has just started to kick up its heels n grow for me. The rollinia, wampi's and lychee are doing really well - but my longon still sulking. Not very organic - but they responded really well to calcium nitrate and trace elements thru the retic....even the jaboticabas seem happy at last. I am amazed that any of them even grow here in the wind and heat. I am hoping to dig them all up and take them to Busselton with me...will have to make a microclimate for them there tho.
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trikus says... DUH the pictures of the larger fruited larger leafed plant are Lakucha or Artocarpus lakoocha .. a few web sites have also got them mixed up . I just re-read info I had and double checked . Seems there are a few other closely related species .. Artocarpus dadah common names Dadak , Utu and Selanking that are all very similar . Amamnda yes your tree should be a Kwaimuk and very cold tolerant . Foliage will become more even as it matures . Mate has a 5 year old tree that is enormous ,, first fruit crop all fell off after extended dry spring. He is pruning of top few meters as it blocks the view from new rear deck . Here is my small tree a few months after planting . I has grown well is now approx 4m in 3 years from a 1m seedling in a 150mm pot . Another in the back yard in very poor ash based dumpings from the sugar mill is 1m shorter in same time frame . I gave one to next door neighbours hoping for better crosspollination in the future . Gee there are so many more Artocarpus species to get , real pity there are so few suitable for you poor people who do not live in the wet tropics .
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amanda says... Yes trikus! it's just like looking at mine. I was inspired by the 2009 Rare Fruit Review to have a go. I hope u or others, manage to collect and distribute as many as possible one day....b4 the forests are turned into furniture!! :-(( they seem to be located in very precarious locations. It is through the efforts of people like yourself and Mr Sargent that may be the only reason these spp survive one day. I have developed a bit of an addiction to Jackfruit - so I hope I like these too. The Chempadek (A.integer) might be another one I could try? I have 4 jaboticabas all in a row - 2 ok, 1 miserable and one powering along...it's weird as they get treated the same... If u go to these places on holiday - can u bring the seeds back do u think? | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 14th April 2010 9:15pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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trikus says... The grooviest granny in the world [ as I call her ] Kerry Macovoy has recently returned from another trip to Borneo . I will have to check what she brought back this time . She has a massive collection . I am pretty certain she got all of the ones David Chandlee brought back . He wrote article on Artocarpus. Another sp. I got from Kerry id A. rigidus or Monkey Jak .. must check as this common name seems to be applied to several species . Foliage loks different to anything I have seen so far . As for bringing seed back , due to short viability it would be best to organize permits and a mate to plant seeds and send back the moment you have eaten the fruit . Though all fruit written about in article should be still in cultivation here . | About the Author Trikus Tully 14th April 2010 10:53pm #UserID: 930 Posts: 749 View All Trikus's Edible Fruit Trees |
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amanda says... Great info trikus... there is no reason why many of these plants can't be brought here for preservation, until their countries of origin are no longer third world. I am sure they would love to have them back one day. If I ever get to these places I would love to get out and collect seed to send to QLD folk. I loved foraging for bush food when camped out over the top end (and most of that is NOT yummy!!?) All the best with your catalogue of spp. Good on u! | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 15th April 2010 12:42am #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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trikus says... I did a walk through Whyanbeel Arboretum while there celebrating the owners 50th birthday. I did this with the person who collected and propagated the seeds of the trees . There are several planted and most are doing well , they have set a few small fruits that dropped early , so heres hoping for a good crop next year . Got some sprouted seeds of a superior Chempadek and also,a few seedlings of Chempajak a cross with Jakfruit .
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amanda says... Trikus - your posts are so interesting and inspiring! U seem to grow something just for the love of it maybe? Rather than expecting a "perfect crop"/fruit or whatever...? I must admit I am envious - not having the same environment I can't "do" the tropical fruits etc. But I really enjoy "challenging" almost any spp I can find, to grow here in Gero'. Eg; Would u believe that the humble geranium hates it here - but my lychee tree is going great guns?? I have loads of wierd examples like that. Let us know how your Chempadek's go won't u. | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. WA 10th May 2010 9:38pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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trikus says... I must admit to growing several purely decorative trees . A few Sarraca species . A native Maniltoa lenticellata and an Amherstia nobilis , as well as several thousand decorative aroids and bromeliads . But eventually many will be grown epiphytically and will be entertainment high in the canopy while picking and pollinating fruit . Here are a few broms and a pendant orchid on a Star Apple branch about roof height .
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trikus says... An extra tree for cross pollination might be helpfull kev. Don't they just smell divine ? Even more stinky than Durian . looks like great fruit set on both Lakoochas . Pulling down the top of one that was getting a bit to high .. will lop off top and prune both after picking fruit . Very pleased with growth of this sp. | About the Author trikus tattered tropics 21st February 2012 7:50pm #UserID: 5279 Posts: 121 View All trikus's Edible Fruit Trees |
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