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BJ says... I wouldn't grow them from seeds. Supposed to be resinous and awful, like a bad surinam cherry, and you need male and female plants to get any fruit. I am certain that in a few years something decent will come out of Maroocy, as they have hinted they've cracked the secret to tissue culture of the plants (apparently it has been near impossible in the past?). They also mentioned the possiblitiy of grafting male and female onto the same plant to eliminate the need for planting both. It was all in the youtube video, that is now seeminly gone :( Though, if you have lots of land to experiment with and a supply of fresh seeds, go for it. And just a quick rant about Youtube. It has completely changed in the past few months to become the worst type of spam ad peddling nuissance on the internet. Type in 'Bayberry' and you'll get a thousand ads for houses and nothing of relevance. It is surely time for a better version to usurp it ala Myspace vs Facebook. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 21st March 2012 9:44am #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... They have selected varieties. Cant recall if they are grafted or marcotted. They look like lychee x sapodilla. I think they can be layered, but there is something that gets at the roots, so grafting onto more resistant rootstock, or TC, is probably preferable where possible. The Chinese selected varieties will not be showing up here any time soon. The Chinese government is protective of this plant, but nurserymen in it for a few quick bucks will ship them out to whoever has the $ for importation. The Maroochy selections had to be made from their own seed grown plants. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 21st March 2012 2:11pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
Mike says... The chinese postal system means that everything to be sent is inspected before it goes in parcels.Contraband like bayberry plants would be easy to detect. From what I can glean commercial nurseries mostly strike cuttings.Marcotting and grafting works well but grafting is considered too much effort for most propagation.UQ grafted their ones.Seeds are routinely planted in china and the proportion of true to type and good quality trees seems to be pretty good. | About the Author Cairns 21st March 2012 5:51pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... You may be correct Denise but the fellow I mentioned in the deleted post who will try to get seeds in person has eaten them in southern china before.He advised the main season is May to August depending on variety and location.He also said he tried some fresh ones in February which I presume fruited out of season.He will be there for the last few days of March and start of April so we'll see. | About the Author Cairns 21st March 2012 6:44pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... I'll try and find some and give them a go. The germinating process can be long and drawn out. The Asimina Triloba's are a walk in the park compared to the Red Bayberry, it appears. There's a few different processes tried with differing results on fresh seed. Most are low germination rates at best. Do you have a pet bird? it's one method that completely removes the wax coating in nature although, apparently it can be removed mechanically by hand to quicken the germinating process. Apparently the plants don't mind boggy soils but need a low Ph of 4 and 5 to grow well. How long has it been since you started the germinating process? Thinking out loud, if the seed is not fresh it might take longer than expected, fresh seed can take up to 12 months to appear. Apparently it's difficult to break dormancy in that species. It might be one of those seed trays that gets put aside and forgotten about till something happens, or not! | About the Author JohnMc1 Warnervale NSW 20th April 2012 8:49am #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... I have some good news and some bad news.The bad news is,as Denise predicted, no good bayberries were in season and my friend came back empty handed on the bayberry seed front.The good news is that he has cemented channels that will ensure the bayberry seeds will slide straight into my hands ready for distribution in June or July when the season is on.He also have me some pretty good seeds of other things so I'll take comfort in those until the bayberries turn up. | About the Author Cairns 20th April 2012 4:25pm #UserID: 5418 Posts: 1438 View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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denise1 says... I have finally had a first taste of bottled Red Bayberry from glass jars bought at the local asian supermarket-Sanwen brand. It is a bit tasteless and with some sweetness and a bit earthy. They are firm but quickly liquify in the mouth. It is definitely a mouthy experience. However they also have a slight licorice taste and it lingers in the mouth a long time. Not quite awful, but worth it for all the healthy anthocyanins etc. I would definitely recommend it and advise blending with some other juice to overcome the earthiness. | About the Author denise1 auckland NZ 27th December 2012 2:33pm #UserID: 6832 Posts: 688 View All denise1's Edible Fruit Trees |
Linton says... All the Bayberrys are damping off and dying on emergence! Quite a lot of the Bayberry seeds seemed to germinate, but as soon as the new shoots emerged from the soil they died. Is it because the air temperature or humidity is not correct and the mix is very wet. I've had this happen with mass seed plantings for 2 other species before. They all simply die once the seedling comes out of the soil and reaches the air. | About the Author Linton Springvale, Vic 29th December 2012 12:13am #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
denise1 says... Have you used a commercial sterilized seed raising mix. I have had mass dieoff of maqui and then tried pure peat which gave about 100% success. It is seldom good to overwater seeds. You can buy a fungicide from your garden centre. I would recommend resowing of the seeds in a new mix after giving the seeds in an appropriate short soak. I dont know what products you ozzies have. | About the Author denise1 auckland NZ 29th December 2012 8:12am #UserID: 6832 Posts: 688 View All denise1's Edible Fruit Trees |
Phil@Tyalgum says... I wonder if it has something to do with the Gibberellic acid. Some of mine did the same thing but I also have much stronger, sturdier seedlings which look like survivors. The ones which collapsed were very fine and skinny when they emerged, the strong ones were much more vigourous from the time they broke dormancy. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 29th December 2012 9:29am #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
Linton says... The strange thing is that other types of seeds have come up at the same time and they are doing fine. It is only the Bayberrys that died off. Most of these Bayberry seeds were not treated with Giberellic, only with Seed Start, and grew within a few weeks of planting. The ones treated with Giberellic don't seem to have germinated yet. I used Scott's Osmacote seed raising mix. | About the Author Linton Springvale, Vic 29th December 2012 12:10pm #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... No, please don't throw them out! They are far too valuable and rare not to be grown here and the seeds are still good. It is usual for germination to take 3 months or more. I dug one out of the pot yesterday thinking it was dead and saw the start of a new shoot coming out of it. So if you feel that you can't persist with them, try taking them out of the soil and sending them on to others who may be able to raise them. It seems that they probably need treatment with Gibberellic Acid to get them going. | About the Author Linton Springvale, Vic 6th January 2013 2:26am #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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denise1 says... I had a few bayberry seedlings sprouting in the garden from seed I gave up on and tossed many months before when I didnt know to use gibberellin. I have ordered some GA3 from Canada for the current batch that wont sprout. I have just discovered a tree growing with a crop on them. A sparse tree slightly taller than a shed with less than a hundred fruit making a very showy tree. It seemed to be the only tree around so perhaps not needing a pollenater in this case. | About the Author denise1 auckland NZ 6th January 2013 8:17am #UserID: 6832 Posts: 688 View All denise1's Edible Fruit Trees |
Julie says... It's been 4 1/2 months! I'll dig them up and have a look. On the other hand, White Sapote seeds took about 6 months, but I just left them out in the rain over winter, and didn't fuss over them. The Bayberry were on a propagating mat for 3 months before I put them outside, and watered daily. | About the Author Julie Roleystone WA 6th January 2013 2:59pm #UserID: 154 Posts: 1842 View All Julie's Edible Fruit Trees |
Linton says... Attention Denise! That is a siginficant finding of a Bayberry tree on it's own with fruit. As it seems to be a self fertile type it would be good to propagate some offrsping from it. Do you have access to the tree and can you get the fruit, seeds, cuttings? Could you please send me some seeds of it if you can get some. Also please send a photo of it if possible. Thanks! | About the Author Linton Springvale, Vic 7th January 2013 8:40am #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... I went to the Botanic Gardens yesterday as they have some Chinese Bayberry Trees (Myrica rubra) growing in 2 places in the gardens. Well I went to both locations as pinpointed on the map and I couldn't find them in either place. It didn't help that I didn't really know what I was looking for, should have taken a picture with me. And it might have been easier to find them if they had fruit on them. Does anyone know when they have fruit? | About the Author Linton Springvale, Vic 11th January 2013 1:34pm #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... So sad that you lost all of your Bayberry seeds. I suppose that means you have entirely given up on growing them now. Regarding the long running University of Queensland trials on commercial cultivation, I read a number of reports where they have now licenced them to YV Fresh, a berry grower based in Victoria who intends to commence production to supply the market. It will be interesting to see how successful this venture will be. http://www.foodnavigator-asia.com/Business/Big-plans-for-Chinese-berry-in-Australia http://www.biospectrumasia.com/biospectrum/news/123122/australia-grow-chinese-anti-cancer-fruit http://www.newsmaker.com.au/news/22181 | About the Author Linton Springvale, Vic 17th January 2013 8:00am #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... I put the seeds in Epsom Salts for 1 - 2 hours, then soak in seed start overnight. The directions on the bottle state to dilute it with just enough water to coat the seed, so I make it very concentrated. I don't think it's very critical as you can even dip seedlings in a solution of 10 ml per 1 litre of water. It's not like Gibberellic Acid, seed start is more like a nutrient. For seeds that are hard to germinate I think Gibberellic Acid is better. | About the Author Linton Springvale, Vic 19th January 2013 8:00am #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike Tr says... I have seeds of a more tropical red bayberry from south Taiwan called Black Carbon. I have treated some with GA3 and have other in moist peat moss in the vegie crisper. Maybe I should not have turned up my nose at an offer by a chinese grower to send me many top types that were more cold adapted. GA3 can cause etoliation but should cause multi-trunking. | About the Author Mike Tr Cairns 5th June 2014 8:14pm #UserID: 8322 Posts: 614 View All Mike Tr's Edible Fruit Trees |
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sternus1 says... You can buy black carbon here in bulk cheap. http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/250g-Bayberry-seeds-potted-balcony-planting-seasons-sprouting-95-Big-black-carbon/1025089_1743498131.html | About the Author sternus1 Australia 24th June 2014 7:32pm #UserID: 8314 Posts: 1318 View All sternus1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike Tr says... I received a few more red bayberry seeds from a chinese friend. They are a black and the best red so I treated both with GA3 and planted them and put some in the fridge. I am debating whether to treat the fridge ones with GA3 when they come out and the Taiwanese black carbon have been in the fridge for about a month already. | About the Author Mike Tr Cairns 24th June 2014 7:35pm #UserID: 8322 Posts: 614 View All Mike Tr's Edible Fruit Trees |
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sternus1 says... I don't do classified. These people who sit around jerking off over plants and varieties that nobody else has are anathema to me. I've got somehting you don't have! Doo Daa! Doo Daa! You know the type. They were that kid you always wanted to punch in the face in the sandpit. I'll PM you. | About the Author sternus1 Australia 26th June 2014 12:52pm #UserID: 8314 Posts: 1318 View All sternus1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... Hi Sternus Can't wait to see what you're sending! About the Bayberry, I too would like the grafted one so perhaps we could make a bulk order for them. The ones I grew from seed using GA3 all died after a year. Then I learned that for stronger plants, you shouldn't use GA3 on them as they can germinate perfectly well on their own given sufficient stratification. At least 3 - 6 months is required, but some people have to repeat stratify them 2 or 3 times, but in the end I've been told they will nearly all germinate - a lot of patience is the key. Anyway the grafted ones would be much better so please let me know if you can get them. Thanks. | About the Author Linton Springvale, Vic 26th June 2014 4:46pm #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
