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peter starts with ...
hi,
would anybody have any cherimoya
seeds for sale.

Time: 17th January 2010 5:44pm

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Wayne says...
Hello Peter

I would strongly suggest you buy a seedling unless there is some special reason you want seeds.

Time: 17th January 2010 7:14pm

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Vanessa says...
Hi Peter,

I was given alot of Cherimoya seeds off a friend who has a mature tree, I planted them and have alot of seedlings.
The fruit is lovely but has alot of seeds, they usually use these as the rootstock on grafted custard apples as they are hardy and vigorous.
In South East Qld they have developed the Tropic Sun Custard Apple, supposed to be superior to the Hillary White and Pink Mammoth Custard Apple that are grafted onto the Cherimoya rootstock, I suppose i'll have to wait and see as i just planted one.
If you want a cherimoya seedling i can post one, i don't think there is any restrictions in posting it out of Qld.
Cheers Vanessa
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Time: 17th January 2010 8:05pm

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Wayne says...
Thanks Vanessa, I was hunting around because that "grafted" had me stumped. My Cherimoya is a seedling from Bunnings, not grafted.

We have a thread in the archives about this and the consenses was that they need to be hand pollinated. My tree hasn't flowered yet so I'm wondering what is going to happen

http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/search.php?q=cherimoya+&SType=



Time: 17th January 2010 8:17pm

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peter says...
hi vanesse,
are you saying that a tree grown from
seed will have more seeds than a grafted
tree?
are those tropic sun custard apples
available for sale anywhere?
i was wanting seeds so i can put in
about 20 or so trees so buying that many
would be a little expensive.
how much would it cost to have a seedling sent from you.
do you know the variety?

wayne,
all cherimoyas whether grafted or not
need hand pollinating, although you
still can get some fruit set without it.

Time: 17th January 2010 8:50pm

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Vanessa says...
Hi Peter and Wayne,
A seedling tree will take quite a number of years to bear fruit, however a grafted fruit tree bears usually in 2-3 yrs, I have the Tropic Sun Custard Apple and sell them for $25 plus postage and being grafted will get to about 3mtrs in height. They like a warm sunny protected site. I would be happy to include for you a couple of cherimoyas.

Cheers Vanessa

Time: 17th January 2010 10:45pm

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peter says...
hi vanessa,
what would the postage be for
three trees.

will the tropic sun grow and fruit in
south australia ok.

do they need hand pollinating.

about what size are they.

do you know the variety of the
cherimoya seedlings.

do you know of any pink or red fleshed
cherimoya trees or seeds.

thanks,
peter.

Time: 17th January 2010 11:41pm

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Wayne says...
I just had to go look
http://www.custardapple.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=53
"There are two main varieties of Custard Apples, the Pinks Mammoth (or Hillary White) and the African Pride --Pinks Mammoth are large super sweet fruit which some growers hand pollinate at flowering to improve fruit shape"
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http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/horticulture/5495.html#Know what you are getting into
"Hillary White and Pinks Mammoth varieties must be hand pollinated (because of low levels of natural pollination) to achieve profitable yields of high quality fruit.--- African Pride is not normally hand pollinated,"
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http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/horticulture/5497.html#Varieties

Couldn't find anything of interest on Cherimoya


Time: 18th January 2010 7:50am

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kert says...
There is some vagueness about ; cherimoyas and atemoyas are both "custard apples" but so are a lot of other Anonnacae . Not all cherimoyas need hand pollinating ;Spain ,for instance sets excellent crops without human intervention

Time: 18th January 2010 10:14am

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Tony says...
Hi Vanessa,

I was after a grafted Tropic sun custard apple, do you still have them available, if not, by when.

I am particularly interested in the grafted variety, as I have a bit of a space limitation and 3M seems right for me.

How is the fruit quality for seeds, as in, are there few or too many seeds in the fruit, and does it need pollination or not.

Thanks

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Time: 16th August 2010 10:35am

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Daisyetta says...
I have been looking for a Spain cherimoya for some time without success.
Does anyone know where I can get one? Either seedling or grafted?
Thanks
Daisyetta

Time: 1st September 2010 10:33am

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kert says...
It used to be sold by Birdwood Nursery.yonks ago. I've got it and seeds too.

Time: 1st September 2010 12:38pm

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Jason says...
I think Sean over in Eastern Vic has one too?, Birdwood did have it, not sure if they still do. As for the earlier posts about seedlings versus grafted trees. With Cherimoyas you can't really go wrong with seedlings, they bear fruit in 3 years no problem the same as a grafted tree and they are usually just as good as the named trees. Ben over in NZ has hundreds (at least) of seedlings growing, he's got the right idea :)

Time: 1st September 2010 2:21pm

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kert says...
I've maybe 10 feral cherimoya seedlings ,some over 6 years old and they produce v.poorly .True I don't give them much but a friend who took my seedlings has had no success either. Do you have first hand experience, Jason?

Time: 2nd September 2010 8:30am

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Jason says...
Kert, I've been to Mexico and collected seed myself and grown out the seedlings, most of them died over the Winters when young as I planted them straight out, But the ones that made it flowered and fruited by 3 years and the fruit is just as good as the other varieties. You still have to hand pollinate them or you get nothing just like a named one. The fruit I kept seed from in the first place were only the best of the best though, better than most named varieties (all seedlings themselves of course)

I got tired of hand pollinating Cherimoyas after a while so I haven't even had a single fruit off any Cherimoya in years now, named or not. In some wetter summer climates you don't need to hand pollinate but here you do

Time: 2nd September 2010 2:26pm

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J says...
I've just purchased a Southern Knight Cherimoya from Perrys fruit and nut. I've read varying reports (glowinski says its good, some people on this forum say its not that great in melbourne) about this variety. Any one had any hands on experience with Southern Knight?

Also, Daleys have some "White" Cherimoya for sale right now. I've read people saying the fruit doesn't taste very good here in melbourne. Again anyone in this thread had any experience growing "white" in Vic with good fruiting results?

Time: 2nd September 2010 3:14pm

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Jason says...
White is no good in a cool climate at all, probably the worst you could get. But the Southern knights in Glowinskis front yards grows famously!, not sure on how it tastes but his is a very strong tree. I doubt that's got to do with the variety itself, more like because his garden is in a warm and sheltered Suburb and it's been looked after well. If in doubt buy a Fino de Jete, you can't go wrong with that one

Time: 2nd September 2010 4:24pm

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kert says...
Yes, some cherimoyas do not need hand pollinating ;Spain is such a one (in Sydney anyway). White is v. good here . It is large low seed count but oddly some years it is poor for no apparent reason . And it does split.

Time: 2nd September 2010 5:26pm

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william says...
Hi vanessa, reading yr posting about Tropic Sun Custard Apple and sell them for $25 plus postage and being grafted.I would be interested if you can kindly tell me plus postage price and how small are they?Can they be grown in adelaide and hows the fruit taste like?Sorry!I am perhaps bit late on this forum as i am looking for cherimoya.I would like 2 if you have available. thank you.william

Time: 21st October 2010 4:32pm

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j says...
My southern knight is in the ground and is dropping leaves, apparently all cherimoya in vic drop leaves about this time.

I was at a (very generous) persons garden last weekend in melbourne who had a fino de jete that was growing very nicely, 7-8 foot tall, 4 years old but no flowers or fruit as of yet. Interesting.

Time: 22nd October 2010 9:17am

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micarle says...
How much shade can they handle before the become unproductive??

Time: 22nd October 2010 10:12am

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BJ says...
The 'white' I purchased last year from Daley's is flowering quite alot now. Its a bit over a foot tall and has been in a 30cm pot since last year. Will go in the ground soon, once I chop down a cocos palm near its planned spot, as it might fall on it.

Time: 22nd October 2010 10:17am

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william says...
would anybody got a grafted african pride for sale? perhaps any cherimoya suggestions would be appreciated.ta.

Time: 6th November 2010 9:39am

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peter says...
hi william,
try perrys fruit and nut
kangarilla rd mcclaren flat
ph. 83830268

Time: 6th November 2010 5:51pm

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william says...
thanks peter,i have to wait till next april and it seems along wait from now.Still waiting i suppose.smile.

Time: 14th November 2010 9:31pm

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John Mc says...
Vanessa, where are you....?
I'm also keen to get a couple of Tropic Sun custard apple trees as well if you're still around.
Fitzroy nursery in Rockhampton are the propagators but will only send a minimum of 9 at a time. I would like two or three. If you read this please contact me via coastalskylightatbpondcomau
or anyone else that has any for sale.

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BJ says...
John, you could try giving obi Valley a call. (07) 5446 9172

Time: 15th February 2011 6:22pm

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kert says...
Several posts quote varieties of attemoya as if they are cherimoyas The two terms are not interchangeable ie African Pride is an attemoya.

Time: 16th February 2011 8:50am

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J says...
Daleys recently had some fino de jete cherimoyas in stock. I promptly bought 4. I suspect they will have more instock shortly. I picked up some of the sofia variety they had as well. It will be interesting to see how "sofia" does in melbourne (fruit taste wise).

Time: 16th February 2011 11:22am

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Jason says...
You'll get a rude shock if you try and grow an Atemoya in a climate that's borderline for Cherimoyas :), when it comes to growing in cool conditions the difference is growing ok and being dead. Also I know it's subjective but none of the Atemoya's taste as good as a good Cherimoya's (like Fino for example)

Time: 16th February 2011 1:17pm

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John Mc says...
Thanks BJ, I appreciate the lead but obi valley has closed down, the property is on the market.


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Several posts quote varieties of attemoya as if they are cherimoyas The two terms are not interchangeable ie African Pride is an attemoya"

You're totally right there Kert. I do apologise but, to hopefully partly justify me looking for the new Atemoya here in this Cherimoya post, I read further up that a poster that goes by the name of vanessa had offered some of the new Tropic sun atemoyas for sale, right here in this thread. My best chance of getting here attention, I thought, was to post my contact details in the hope she would come back and see it.




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peter says...
hi john,
sorry to tell you this but obi valley
and vanessa are the same people.

Time: 16th February 2011 3:42pm

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John Mc says...
Ahh, it must have been Vanessa I was talking to on the phone then. She still has a Pink's Mammoth there in a 50litre pot for $80 amongst other things.

Time: 16th February 2011 7:10pm

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John Mc says...
I'm trying to identify the below mentioned Cherimoya I found on an old abandoned property a couple of weeks ago. It's a very large old tree and appears to self pollinate extremly well going by the number of fruit set, see pic. Someone back up the post count mentioned that Spain is a self pollinator, any other clues from the pics? I'm determining whether it's worth propagating or not.
Hang on, I over compressed the pics-be back soon with bigger.

Time: 19th May 2011 8:53pm

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peter says...
hi john mc,
i cant help you with variety but ide
be interested in buying any seeds
that might be available.


Time: 19th May 2011 9:13pm

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John Mc says...
There's plenty of seed peter, around 40 good hard seeds per fruit. Smaller than Atemoya. Have you tried the fruit yourself? Just picked some more today, I can only get 6 fruit in a large plastic coles bag.

I'm having trouble getting the pics larger, going to try again.

Time: 19th May 2011 9:25pm

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John Mc says...
Are these pics any better?
Pictures - Click to enlarge

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Picture: 2
Picture: 3
Picture: 4

Time: 19th May 2011 9:28pm

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John Mc says...
I give up, I've uploaded them as 1024 x 768 as I usually do averaging less than 500Kb ea. Any suggestions? These are great pics of an old Cherimoya tree.

Time: 19th May 2011 9:32pm

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peter says...
ive only tried supermarket fruit (yuk)
i have one little fruit the size of a
five cent piece growing on my tree so
hope it makes it to maturity.
are you eating those fruit?
whats your verdict.

Time: 19th May 2011 10:19pm

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John Mc says...
I've been too eager to crack them open so could probably taste better. I have to be more patient and let them ripen a little more.
I wonder how many varieties were in Australia 20+ years ago? The tree looks older, but literature says they only grow for 20 years.

Time: 19th May 2011 10:51pm

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peter says...
ive seen a picture on the net of a
massive tree reported to be 50 years old. will have a look again to see if
i can find it.

Time: 20th May 2011 12:29am

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Here's that pic fellas

http://www.fruitipedia.com/cherimoya.htm

Time: 20th May 2011 5:13am

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peter says...
hi phil,
yep thats the one, i couldnt find it
last night.

Time: 20th May 2011 8:10am

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Jason says...
Upload those pictures to tinypic.com so we can see them in full size

Time: 20th May 2011 10:05am

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snottiegobble says...
Phil@T, I was impressed with that tree & the write up specially the potassium level in the nutritional list. However there was no mention of minimum temp. tolerence, only that they grow better elevated. I presume up in the Andes like babacos having no wet feet.
Anyone had any luck down growing & fruiting cherimoyas down south?

Time: 20th May 2011 1:39pm

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Jason says...
How far South? they grow perfectly in Melbourne, not quite so perfectly here but you still get fruit. I fruited one in about 2003? first time but still haven't had perfect trasting fruit like they should be

Time: 20th May 2011 2:16pm

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John Mc says...
Here Jason,I've done what you said and uploaded them to tinypic. It's all experimental so here's a link to the first pic and we'll see what happens.
That's not a huge tree Phil, this
is a huge tree lol, http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i459/jmc961/Zoomout-compressed.jpg

yep it worked nicely, here's another

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i459/jmc961/Cherimoyatreeshowinglotsoffruit-compressed.jpg

And another

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i459/jmc961/Cherimoyatreeshowingfruit-compressed.jpg

And another

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i459/jmc961/Fruit-compressed.jpg

Oh, and one more thing if anyone can help identify this Cherimoya, the fruit is very grainy under the skin.


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snottiegobble says...
Hey John Mc theyre nice big shots & nice big fruit & its only 11:28! LOL!
How big are your trees after 8 years Jason?

Time: 20th May 2011 5:19pm

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Jason says...
Pretty impressive Cherimoya there John, do they always grow and fruit that well in Sydney or is this one an exception? it looks more healthy than most the Cherimoyas I saw in Mexico.

Snottie, my Cherimoya trees are only small, 15 foot at the most, pretty slow going down here :) and they are fairly sparse, nothing like this tree John has found but I'm slowly improving them. The like more heat and mostly more alkaline soil than I have

Time: 20th May 2011 7:57pm

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Jason says...
P.S I don't think those fruit would be quite ripe yet

Time: 20th May 2011 8:00pm

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John Mc says...
Ahhh, so should they be left on the tree a little longer? They are just starting to turn yellow and the seeds are rattling. The taste is definately not "Deliciousness in itself" as described by Mark Twain. There is a very faint aroma starting to eminate from the fruit.

Time: 20th May 2011 9:01pm

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Jason says...
If they are yellow and a few have dropped from the tree then they should be ripe I suppose. Not sure about the rattly seeds because they will go half soft on the tree and nothing is going to rattle then. But it's not even Winter yet. Winter through late Spring is Cherimoya season.

I would expect a Cherimoya grown in Sydney to be around about as good as a Mango or Lychee, they are a very good fruit

Time: 21st May 2011 6:26am

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John Mc says...
More pics of an old Cherimoya tree. With some fine detective work I located the daughter of the owner of the deserted tree. I was told the tree was planted more than 40 years ago by her grandmother. I'm still on the case, I'd really like to find out the cv.
Does anyone know how many cv's of Cherimoya were in Australia 40 years ago?
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Time: 2nd June 2011 7:03pm

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Jason says...
40 Years ago is pretty early times for Cherimoya. It would have to have been one of the first planted here. Was this Grandmother from somewhere Cherimoyaish ? Peru-Ecuador-Mexico? maybe she imported seeds herself

Time: 3rd June 2011 10:13am

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John Mc says...
The woman that planted the tree died some time back. So far I've only spoken to the grandaughter. Her mother might know some more if and when I can speak to her. I have full access to the tree if you wanted any scions when the times right or seed.
I've been picking the fruit too early, it's OK, but I want to wait till I find some really ripe one's to make a good judgement on the size and taste. There's no question, the tree is a great self pollinator, it's absolutely loaded with fruit of all sizes.

Time: 3rd June 2011 5:22pm

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Jason says...
What I'd like to know is do they normally self pollinate in Sydney this well or is the tree special in that way. I'd give some scions and seeds both a go though just to see the difference against the few I have

Time: 3rd June 2011 5:55pm

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nick says...
just for your info i have a perrys nursery cherimoya 2 yr old i needed to thin almost all fruit left 2 all self pollinated also narranjilla i read that it is a unrealiable fruit setter my plant had at least 50 fruit self pollinated only applied fortnighly seaweed spray at flowering

Time: 3rd June 2011 9:15pm

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John Mc says...
I read that the "White" cv. had a typical heart shaped fruit. Can anyone confirm or deny?
Here's some typical fruit hanging off the tree.

Also some pics of the trunk of that old Cherimoya tree as well.


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Time: 14th June 2011 7:36pm

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George says...
canyone know if cherimoya has ever been planted in the sand hills of NC?
teps. here are from a low of 26 F to a high od 96 F.
some snow in winter like 1-2 inches for a few days .
and very wet summers but good drainage

Time: 21st December 2011 2:25pm

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J says...
could some please tell me from looking at these pics if these are flowers on my cherimoya tree?
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Time: 12th November 2012 10:49pm

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peter 1000 says...
yes.
petals are not open yet.
when they are slightly open they
are female flowers.
when they fully open they will
be male flowers.

Time: 12th November 2012 11:28pm

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denise1 says...
If you find a cherimoya tree that sets well naturally, look around the flowers and see what insect is providing the pollen transfer service. You can then introduce it to your own tree. It will work best if you dont overspray your tree, In NZ we can get heavy setting from a native tiny insect that is barely visible. Called Thrips obscurata, it dines on pollen and hops or flies? from flower to flower and sets fruit for you. This year my tree set nearly nothing simply because the tree needed a rest. Some pollen munchers do excess damage at times but this one has proven ideal so far. If you want more flowers to appear you need to cut off 2 or 3 leaves half way along the stem of foliage. Then trim back the last few inches of stem. You will shortly get new flowers. As flower buds are under/inside the the leaf petioleon the stem. Hard to describe-just go and have a look.

Time: 13th November 2012 6:33am

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BJ says...
I've been doing a fair bit of hand pollinating recently and have found that there are lots of little beetles/bugs in my rollinia, atemoya and sweetsop flowers. They should be helping to pollinate, but dont appear to be of much help as yet. Perhaps as the storm season rolls in bringing the humidity I'll see a better set.

Time: 13th November 2012 9:03am

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denise1 says...
They are possibly eating the pollen or each other. The balance may tip in your favour when that humidity arrives.

Time: 13th November 2012 12:50pm

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J says...
Peter1000 thanks for the response. Seeing as my cherimoya (southern knight variety) is in flower, I youtubed "cherimoya pollination" and there were several videos on how to do it. My one foot Fino de Jete is flowering as well from the looks of things, but I'm not letting it fruit as it is too small.

Time: 13th November 2012 3:18pm

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veevee says...
Hello Vanessa, do you still have Cherimoya seedlings? I would like to buy one of you or swap for another plant that I have.

Time: 12th February 2013 9:32pm

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J says...
Hello all, I just ate my first cherimoya off my southern knight cherimoya tree and it was quite nice, juicy and sweet. So yes, southern knight cherimoya fruit is good, grown in melbourne. Now I have to wait for my fino de jete & sofia to get big enough to fruit to be able to compare them.

Time: 2nd September 2013 11:30am

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Jason says...
Wow, I've never had a Cherimoya ripen this early in the year. You must have some good suitable growing conditions for them. I think Fino has the most potential, lets wait and see :).

Time: 2nd September 2013 1:32pm

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yry says...
When a fruit ripens very late like cherimoya it appears to be "early". Cherimoyas ripen from around early Aug. to early Oct. They lose their leaves in mid to late Sept.

Time: 2nd September 2013 4:32pm

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Jason says...
Mine flower from late December to about March, but mostly wont pollinate until it gets foggy in late March. In anycase they don't ripen until after the leaves drop in about November. It would need to be a lot warmer here than it is to see one in August or September

Time: 2nd September 2013 10:26pm

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J says...
I pollinated the flowers in december last year.. may explain why it ripened so early.
About a month ago I was in a town near quito, ecuador that grew cherimoya amd avocados. The cherimoya trees were massive.

Time: 3rd September 2013 8:16am

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Jason says...
Yeah they grow huge in the proper environment, nothing like the shrubs they are in Vic :). You should see how big sapotes and avocados get in Mexico. Like full size oak trees

Time: 4th September 2013 9:51pm

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JohnMc1 says...
This is the self pollinated fruit of a big old Cherimoya tree that I visit on occasion. Huge pity the fruit is inedible, only good for seed production.
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Time: 5th May 2014 6:43pm

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