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New Lychee Variety

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Brendan starts with ...
Hi Mike (& everyone else:-).
A pro lychee grower at Sarina is growing a new variety of lychee called Erdon Lee.
The normal lychee weighs between 22g and 25g, this new Erdon Lee weighs up to 100g!
Do you know the Erdon Lee?
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Mike says...
Brendon I have never heard of it and only a fai zee siu could approach those dimension in Aust.I thought.It will have to be a renamed sth chinese or nth thailand sort I reckon.I wonder what its real name is?Have you seen them? If we know its colour,skin,shape,season,tree shape andfoliage type we could look through the tables of the 100's of chines ones to find a match.
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Brendan says...
Hi Mike, this grower actually went to China and bought them back, legally of course. He sourced it from the research station in China. I 'think' it's a brand new variety.

He says,"Normally it takes a lychee tree 5 to 7 years to produce fruit, but the Erdon Lee is producing in just 3 years".

There's a story & photos in the latest Blue's Country Magazine (Feb 2012).

Geez they look good, just normal colour, but a lot bigger!
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Mike says...
Brendan most of the new ones are local types that get brough into commercial production.3 years is pretty normal for the first light crop.I wonder what it taste like? Maybe it could muscle fai zee siu out of the premier position if it has small seeds and a good tatse.100g sounds a bit exaggerated but if it is in black and white it must be true.
I bet it will be grown under licence or agreement with no one else getting trees.Mangoes,lychees,dragon fruit and wax apples are vulnerable to good overseas ones storming the market because we are behind with varieties.
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Peter says...
I am a bit suspicious with large fruits of new cultivars. Mostly, it goes to cost of flavor. Could be years later, those will finally hit the WA market, so we get a taste as well.
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Mike says...
Peter I suspect you are right but I'm optimistic after trying sensational lychees in Chang Mai.Look at how bad bengal lychees are and kwai mai pink (bosworth) are small and have only a sugar water flavour with no 'rose' or 'musk'.Fai zee siu are huge,with a small seed and great flavour,at least as good as mauritious.Yook ho pow was supposed to be a new wonder lychee that disappeared into the fog never to be heard from again.
There are factors like productivity and disease resistance that are as important to a grower as fruit quality.
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Mike says...
On reflection if kwai mai is around 20-25g,tai so and haak yip 25-30g and fai zee sui 30-40g, I just don't believe that 100g lychees are out there.If that is not true I would wonder about other characteristics claimed of this new variety.
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Peter says...
We are so behind in WA. All what's there on the shelves is simply called lychee - no cultivar name. I would have no idea which one it is and the market is so small that there is no motivation to supply top quality to eager customers. They seem to just sit on the shelves until brown and tasteless. Every cultivar grown in someones backyard will be way better then what we get in the shops (even Bengal).
100g would be really sensational, but could be possible - you never know. If you think of the huge Thai guavas - they are about 10 times the weight of a ordinary one. Likewise some mango cultivars. Would be good to get someone in the discussion who knows about genetics - I think something like this is possible to appear fast (without long breeding effort), when chromosomes have tripled or more...
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Mike says...
If they were prone to polyploidy and that improved varieties it would probably have driven new variety selection in sthn china.
It is crazy that the west misses out on one of the finest fruits around.Bengals are an embarrassment to lychees.Marcots of fai zee siu and mauritious tai so should be everywhere around Perth.It is like if only the stringy turpentine mangoes were available instead of bowens.
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Mike says...
It looks all lychees are diploid and varieties are seedling derived, with a very low proportion as good as their parents.It seems there are no experts on lychee genetics but there is chinese expertise on 'expression' in different environments.The upper size limit I found for any reference was up to 42g max for one chinese type and anything over 28g is considered large.
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Peter says...
Diploid, low proportion of good chance seedlings...Makes this story of the giant lychee really interesting.
Unfortunately I can't access this magazine.
Are there any more details in there?
Is it maybe a new CSIRO release?
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Brendan says...
Here's a pic of the new Erdon Lee lychee.
The one top left seems fairly big.

Pic taken from mag :-(
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BJ says...
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Sorry, my jaw just hit the keyboard!
I'll have to make up with my estranged family in Sarina and get them to see if they sell locally, so they can send some fruit down for tasting. If they sell trees, out comes a mango!
Looks like some of the fruit also form siamese twins, doubling their size. I've found this with one longan recently too.
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amanda says...
Wow...that's really impressive Brendan! Can't wait to hear more about this newbie.
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Mike says...
What a picture and it appears real. Blue's Country Magazine were lucky to get the jump on National Geographic and the research station was kind to release it to Australian farmers, perhaps ahead of their own.Being more than double the size of the previous biggest is really pushing back the frontiers.This is especially excellent when it is understood the tree is precocious.I bet it is extra sweet as well.
We could all soon be tucking into 100g lychees making the rest obsolete.Why do I have these nagging doubts?
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chillilover says...
I would love to try one of those but i have a feeling these would be firstly very expensive till the novelty wears of and secondly maybe mild flavoured. Not as sweet and more watery then the current ones. Just bcos the plant has to focus more on the size then the flavour.
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Peter says...
Wow! I can't think of a bigger advancement in new cultivars. This fruit tree forum really helps to know the newest things. Soon someone will tell us about the taste, I am sure.
Thanks for bringing this up, Brendan.
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Brendan says...
I live about 60km from Sarina, so I'll have to go and have a look! I"ll find out if he's marcotting any, if so, I'm in. Might take Wayne too :-)
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trikus says...
Heard about this at Rare Fruits Australia meeting .. local DPI guy [ South Johnstone ] was in the loop .. act just talked about this today with local growers .
Maybe another species to be such large size ?
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Mike says...
Apparently it is all true but the 100g fruit part is hard to swallow.I can just imagine Brendan and Wayne hurdling fences at Campwin Beach looking for someone called Tibby.Trikus if it was Yan, sth Johnstone then it must be right.
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Brendan says...
Hi Mike & trikus, this new variety probably has a huge seed! I noticed it wasn't mentioned in the article?

Haven't got there yet Mike :-)
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Mike says...
While even a small sprig can be grafted onto a marcot at home,I didn't really think you guys would be darting between the shadows and creating diversions.Raking your teeth over a huge seeds to get a veneer of flesh would make it like a bengal variety,except a huge disappointment instead of a medium sized one.
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Jason says...
You are still going to have to remove just as much skin and a kilo of them is still going to cost a kilo worth.... :) where's the advantage?
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Mike says...
Jason when you're in the supermarket comparing prices and thinking about things like seed size you'll also need to know the skin thickness.Forgetting about taste for the moment, your surface area to volume spot calculations in your cost/benefit analysis won't mean much without that skin thickness data.
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mabey big seeds says...
dont tell us about it till we can buy it
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suthirat says...
I am very interested by lychee Federation where to find.
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BJ says...
Anyone hear any more about this one? I'd be interested to find out if and where they might send the fruit. I expect they won't release trees for 5-7 years, after their own orchard is at peak performance and their income stream from fruit sales is optimal and they need to diversify into selling trees.
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ivepeters says...
Any update , amyone ?
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David says...
Erdon lee Lychees for sale at the fruit shop outside Coles Garden City. Cost $39.99 per kilo. Pics to follow
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ivepeters says...
They seem to always have something new and not common to other fruit shops.
So are they golf ball size ? 100g + ?
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Stephen.ly says...
Bought this today
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Stephen.ly says...
Over 6cm wide. Was $20/kg in Cabramatta.
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lizze says...
Heard about this variety on ABC radio. As a former Nth Qlder, tropical fruit lover & hobby gardener I'm wondering if these are available to purchase on-line & shipped to SE Qld. I understand these have been only recently sold commercially into the fruit markets, but what about 1 grafted tree? thanks.
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